| General Election Thread 17:46 - May 22 with 219243 views | loftboy |
This will be the first election that I have no idea who to vote for, will never vote Tory again after the lies during covid where my dad lost his life, don’t trust starmer, would never vote for a bunch of racists like reform , anyone give me a clue?
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| General Election Thread on 15:18 - Jul 3 with 1643 views | Stainrod |
| General Election Thread on 13:18 - Jul 3 by hubble |
I've been thinking what an incredible missed opportunity this has been for the Liberal Democrats. If ever there was a time for a straightforward, centrist party, this was it. And I think many of us would welcome the opportunity to vote for such a party. But the LDs seemed to have lurched the left themselves, and at the same time, it's hard to take Ed Davey seriously.
There's certainly no party that I feel represents my views on how this country should be governed, and like others have said on here, I feel a spoilt ballot paper - i.e. 'none of the above' - is the only option for me. By voting, I think you enter a tacit agreement to be governed, and I certainly do not wish to be governed by either the Tories or Labour. [Post edited 3 Jul 13:20]
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I don't see think the Lib Dems have moved to the left particularly Hubble but almost everywhere they can win they are fighting against a sitting Tory MP so they have to emphasise where they think the Tories have gone wrong (crashing the economy under Truss, presiding over an NHS crisis, lack of apprenticeships etc).
Isn't it more that since Cameron left the Tories have moved ever further to the right - if you have a Conservative prime minister who just parrots "stop the boats" and only seems interested in courting wealthy pensioners then a centre party is going to appear relatively left wing by comparison. |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 16:11 - Jul 3 with 1532 views | dmm |
Sunak might lose his seat as current polling shows him ahead of the Labour candidate by less than 1% of predicted votes. He'd be the first ever sitting PM to lose his seat in a GE. Wouldn't that be delicious?! |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 16:17 - Jul 3 with 1508 views | robith |
| General Election Thread on 16:11 - Jul 3 by dmm |
Sunak might lose his seat as current polling shows him ahead of the Labour candidate by less than 1% of predicted votes. He'd be the first ever sitting PM to lose his seat in a GE. Wouldn't that be delicious?! |
I mean that's a small technicality because of Balfour's shenanigans in the 1906 election |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 16:24 - Jul 3 with 1475 views | HAYESBOY |
| General Election Thread on 10:36 - Jul 3 by dmm |
On the eve of tomorrow's general election, I just had to post this...
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Not a word wrong. |  |
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| General Election Thread on 17:06 - Jul 3 with 1359 views | hubble |
| General Election Thread on 14:14 - Jul 3 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Well, i'm no fan of the Lib Dems and won't be voting for them either, but you've complained on one hand about not wanting to be governed by Labour or the Tories but rallied against the largest party calling for PR.
So I'm racking my brain to find what they've said that could be so Left wing that it would put you off voting for the solution to your main gripe. |
Well yes, Baz, if instating PR was the only issue, I might vote for them.
But to answer your question, I disagree with most of their policies as outlined in their manifesto, including, but not limited to, those on the economy (wishy-washy and uninspiring), energy (dangerously naive), green issues/climate (ditto) and immigration. They're far too close to the Greens on most of these for my liking.
I'd even consider voting Labour if they weren't in hock to all sorts of causes I disagree with, which I have outlined earlier in this thread. Plus they have an ignorant loudmouth as deputy leader. From 1979 to 1997 I voted Labour in every election, but they were a very different party in those days.
I think most British people want sensible and practical policies that are grounded in reality, without idealism or pandering to minority (often relatively extremist) interests.
The Tories have run this country into the ground and although they are supposedly right wing, they have rarely institued genuinely conversative policies. On the contrary, they have increased government interference in our lives; meddled disastrously with the economy and in the process made the rich richer and the poor poorer - and I'm not just talking about Liz Truss - I'm talking about the insane amount of borrowing predicated on ever-increasing stealth taxation, and how they handled the lockdowns (Labour would have been worse though, apart from the blatantly criminal aspects, which seem rife in the Conservative party); presided over a huge and largely unregulated increase in immigration; presided over a badly fudged withdrawal from the EU; and increasingly followed what are to my mind globalist agendas, to the detriment and destabilisation of this country... I could go on... [Post edited 3 Jul 17:35]
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| General Election Thread on 17:31 - Jul 3 with 1311 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| General Election Thread on 17:06 - Jul 3 by hubble |
Well yes, Baz, if instating PR was the only issue, I might vote for them.
But to answer your question, I disagree with most of their policies as outlined in their manifesto, including, but not limited to, those on the economy (wishy-washy and uninspiring), energy (dangerously naive), green issues/climate (ditto) and immigration. They're far too close to the Greens on most of these for my liking.
I'd even consider voting Labour if they weren't in hock to all sorts of causes I disagree with, which I have outlined earlier in this thread. Plus they have an ignorant loudmouth as deputy leader. From 1979 to 1997 I voted Labour in every election, but they were a very different party in those days.
I think most British people want sensible and practical policies that are grounded in reality, without idealism or pandering to minority (often relatively extremist) interests.
The Tories have run this country into the ground and although they are supposedly right wing, they have rarely institued genuinely conversative policies. On the contrary, they have increased government interference in our lives; meddled disastrously with the economy and in the process made the rich richer and the poor poorer - and I'm not just talking about Liz Truss - I'm talking about the insane amount of borrowing predicated on ever-increasing stealth taxation, and how they handled the lockdowns (Labour would have been worse though, apart from the blatantly criminal aspects, which seem rife in the Conservative party); presided over a huge and largely unregulated increase in immigration; presided over a badly fudged withdrawal from the EU; and increasingly followed what are to my mind globalist agendas, to the detriment and destabilisation of this country... I could go on... [Post edited 3 Jul 17:35]
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That is a hell of a post. Good luck tomorrow. |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 17:44 - Jul 3 with 1287 views | Stainrod |
| General Election Thread on 17:06 - Jul 3 by hubble |
Well yes, Baz, if instating PR was the only issue, I might vote for them.
But to answer your question, I disagree with most of their policies as outlined in their manifesto, including, but not limited to, those on the economy (wishy-washy and uninspiring), energy (dangerously naive), green issues/climate (ditto) and immigration. They're far too close to the Greens on most of these for my liking.
I'd even consider voting Labour if they weren't in hock to all sorts of causes I disagree with, which I have outlined earlier in this thread. Plus they have an ignorant loudmouth as deputy leader. From 1979 to 1997 I voted Labour in every election, but they were a very different party in those days.
I think most British people want sensible and practical policies that are grounded in reality, without idealism or pandering to minority (often relatively extremist) interests.
The Tories have run this country into the ground and although they are supposedly right wing, they have rarely institued genuinely conversative policies. On the contrary, they have increased government interference in our lives; meddled disastrously with the economy and in the process made the rich richer and the poor poorer - and I'm not just talking about Liz Truss - I'm talking about the insane amount of borrowing predicated on ever-increasing stealth taxation, and how they handled the lockdowns (Labour would have been worse though, apart from the blatantly criminal aspects, which seem rife in the Conservative party); presided over a huge and largely unregulated increase in immigration; presided over a badly fudged withdrawal from the EU; and increasingly followed what are to my mind globalist agendas, to the detriment and destabilisation of this country... I could go on... [Post edited 3 Jul 17:35]
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Well you say you want a better Lib Dem party.
But from what you have said here you basically support Reform, or at least their policies.
If you want unfunded tax cuts and a clampdown on immigration then they are your party with the Tories your second choice (second because they talk about cutting immigration while actually increasing it which makes them the worst of the lot on this issue IMHO because it is so lacking in honesty).
The Lib Dems don't believe tax cuts are currently affordable (and virtually every serious economist agrees with them).
On the economy they would improve the trade deal with Europe so we weren't so restricted in trading with our biggest partner - fixing what you rightly describe as the Tories badly handled withdrawal from the EU.
On immigration they believe in better education and training for British workers to tackle the problem at source. | | | |
| General Election Thread on 17:48 - Jul 3 with 1283 views | flynnbo |
| General Election Thread on 16:24 - Jul 3 by HAYESBOY |
Not a word wrong. |
Saw him live in April. Amazing stamina. |  | | |
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| General Election Thread on 17:59 - Jul 3 with 2191 views | ted_hendrix |
I'm ready for tomorrow and I've just had two kippers for me tea.
Please use your vote. |  |
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| General Election Thread on 18:02 - Jul 3 with 2187 views | LimehouseR |
| General Election Thread on 14:37 - Jul 3 by Juzzie |
Just done the full survey (all questions) and the result wasn't surprising so at least that gives me confidence of how I intend to vote.
It was interesting to see that most, not all, policies are by-and-large positive ones.
So why is this country in a mess??
I get it that sometimes party's/MP's etc want to strive for certain things but those targets may not be met but not for the want of trying, but when MP's/party's clearly get nowhere near their targets, or even try to, do complete u-turns and so on then there must be some kind of consequence to this.
I remember Andrew Neil asking Liz Truss (before she was PM) what the total number of starter homes built in 2014 was (target was 200,000) and she was struggling to answer and he said "it's easy to remember, it's zero". This is the kind of thing they should be held accountable for because you are winning elections on policies you simply cannot carry out or have no intention to. That's tantamount to simply lying.
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It was also interesting to see from that website that out of 316,000 completed surveys nationally it appears that the following would be the result if everyone voted in that manner;
Lib Dems 26.6%
Green 24.5%
Labour 23.1%
Con 13.6%
Reform 10.4%
SNP 1.2%
Plaid Cymru 0.6%
Clearly this isn't going to happen come Friday (and it is just a small portion of the electorate) so what is wrong? Why is there such a disparity in what people appear to want and how they vote?
As I've mentioned before, love that youtube footage of a reporter asking blue-rinsed ladies in Guilford about certain policies and they all agreed they were good and supported them then the looks on their faces was hilarious when they were told they were Labour policies.
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I did that questionaire based on the policies and was largely Lib Dem and Green. There has been half a million results generated now and it is even more proportionate to Lib Dems and Greens. I think the problem is that there is such an entrenched ideal in the two main parties that anything else is often seen as a waste of time or a 'wasted vote'. When this website clearly shows otherwise.
Out of 50 people who did the questionaire in my current constituency of Harrow West it was about 10% Conservative yet they hold the seat (currently). Go figure. Labour are predicted to win it back but for this election it feels as though people are mainly just thinking 'get the Tories out' so are voting tactically across the board. |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 18:06 - Jul 3 with 2175 views | Watford_Ranger |
| General Election Thread on 18:02 - Jul 3 by LimehouseR |
I did that questionaire based on the policies and was largely Lib Dem and Green. There has been half a million results generated now and it is even more proportionate to Lib Dems and Greens. I think the problem is that there is such an entrenched ideal in the two main parties that anything else is often seen as a waste of time or a 'wasted vote'. When this website clearly shows otherwise.
Out of 50 people who did the questionaire in my current constituency of Harrow West it was about 10% Conservative yet they hold the seat (currently). Go figure. Labour are predicted to win it back but for this election it feels as though people are mainly just thinking 'get the Tories out' so are voting tactically across the board. |
I did The Times’ version and got Lib Dem which didn’t surprise me but then it’s quite a Lib Dem/Green thing to do in the first place. | | | |
| General Election Thread on 18:42 - Jul 3 with 2083 views | hubble |
| General Election Thread on 17:44 - Jul 3 by Stainrod |
Well you say you want a better Lib Dem party.
But from what you have said here you basically support Reform, or at least their policies.
If you want unfunded tax cuts and a clampdown on immigration then they are your party with the Tories your second choice (second because they talk about cutting immigration while actually increasing it which makes them the worst of the lot on this issue IMHO because it is so lacking in honesty).
The Lib Dems don't believe tax cuts are currently affordable (and virtually every serious economist agrees with them).
On the economy they would improve the trade deal with Europe so we weren't so restricted in trading with our biggest partner - fixing what you rightly describe as the Tories badly handled withdrawal from the EU.
On immigration they believe in better education and training for British workers to tackle the problem at source. |
That, if I may say so, is a disingenuous response. Where did I say I wanted unfunded tax cuts? You're putting words into my mouth.
Misrepresenting what people have said seems to have been a theme in this thread, and you have form on this, regarding the disgraceful accusation you made about SheffieldHoop.
I will do as I said, tomorrow, and write: 'none of the above' on the ballot paper. | |
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| General Election Thread on 18:50 - Jul 3 with 2051 views | Discodroids |
| General Election Thread on 18:42 - Jul 3 by hubble |
That, if I may say so, is a disingenuous response. Where did I say I wanted unfunded tax cuts? You're putting words into my mouth.
Misrepresenting what people have said seems to have been a theme in this thread, and you have form on this, regarding the disgraceful accusation you made about SheffieldHoop.
I will do as I said, tomorrow, and write: 'none of the above' on the ballot paper. |
What accusation was that Hubbs? has Sheffield been banned? |  |
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| General Election Thread on 19:55 - Jul 3 with 1928 views | Stainrod |
| General Election Thread on 18:42 - Jul 3 by hubble |
That, if I may say so, is a disingenuous response. Where did I say I wanted unfunded tax cuts? You're putting words into my mouth.
Misrepresenting what people have said seems to have been a theme in this thread, and you have form on this, regarding the disgraceful accusation you made about SheffieldHoop.
I will do as I said, tomorrow, and write: 'none of the above' on the ballot paper. |
I apologise on the un-funded tax cuts, I did not read your post carefully enough.
I don't apologise for the earlier remark as I think it was justified on the basis of a previous post where a link was made between a particular racial group and their supposed propensity to rape. | | | |
| General Election Thread on 20:20 - Jul 3 with 1888 views | TacticalR |
Some random thoughts:
1. Prior to the election I kept asking myself: are we witnessing the crisis of a political party (the Tories), or the crisis of a social system? Most commentators talk as though austerity and decline merely have been lifestyle choices of the Tories.
2. On the whole the people who want to see changes underestimate what will be necessary to make those changes. Many assume that those changes can take place within the existing social order. I felt that quite strongly during the Corbyn craze, but it also applies to ideas like the Johnson's 'levelling up agenda'.
3. We live in very strange times when politicians no longer promise to do anything. In fact they make a great virtue of out not promising to do anything.
4. Gaza. I can't remember an issue like this that has so compromised the ruling class, day after day
a. It has exposed the complete unity of Labour and the Tories in support of Israel, at a time when it appears that the majority are opposed to Israel's actions.
b. There is no longer a safety valve (previously provided by the Labour left) within the major parties. In the past, when there was an apparent left in Labour, people could imagine that somehow that left was going to one day take over Labour and change its policies. That was one of the reasons why the left was tolerated in the Labour Party.
c. Anti-semitism, Labour's weapon of choice against its internal enemies, is crumbling as a credible charge. The beauty of anti-semitism from Starmer's point of view was that you didn't have to get into discussions about Socialism or any aspect of policy, you could just purge without question.
d. Humanitarian intervention has been the Western justification for war for decades. That cover has now been blown. |  |
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| General Election Thread on 20:31 - Jul 3 with 1861 views | TacticalR |
| General Election Thread on 12:58 - May 26 by essextaxiboy |
IMO the most worrying threat to society is illustrated by the recent episode in parliament when the Speaker changed the normal protocol of allowing amendment votes because it was obvious that some MPs had been threatened .
Once you allow non elected , non accountable violent people setting the agenda for a freely elected parliament all this election chat is worthless . |
Come on, that was all about Labour trying to prevent the SNP's motion on Gaza.
In fact the government, not having a clue how to deal with the large pro-Palestinian demonstrations, has tried to encourage violence. This was seen when Home Secretary Suella Braverman tried her 'come and have a go if you're hard enough' to try to get Palestinian marchers to divert to the Cenotaph. The whole thing backfired when the gang of hoolies she summoned ended up fighting with the police at the Cenotaph. | |
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| General Election Thread on 20:51 - Jul 3 with 1783 views | Gus_iom |
| General Election Thread on 20:31 - Jul 3 by TacticalR |
Come on, that was all about Labour trying to prevent the SNP's motion on Gaza.
In fact the government, not having a clue how to deal with the large pro-Palestinian demonstrations, has tried to encourage violence. This was seen when Home Secretary Suella Braverman tried her 'come and have a go if you're hard enough' to try to get Palestinian marchers to divert to the Cenotaph. The whole thing backfired when the gang of hoolies she summoned ended up fighting with the police at the Cenotaph. |
Down voted your previous post by accident, though I certainly didn't agree with it | | | |
| General Election Thread on 21:33 - Jul 3 with 1720 views | E17hoop |
| General Election Thread on 20:20 - Jul 3 by TacticalR |
Some random thoughts:
1. Prior to the election I kept asking myself: are we witnessing the crisis of a political party (the Tories), or the crisis of a social system? Most commentators talk as though austerity and decline merely have been lifestyle choices of the Tories.
2. On the whole the people who want to see changes underestimate what will be necessary to make those changes. Many assume that those changes can take place within the existing social order. I felt that quite strongly during the Corbyn craze, but it also applies to ideas like the Johnson's 'levelling up agenda'.
3. We live in very strange times when politicians no longer promise to do anything. In fact they make a great virtue of out not promising to do anything.
4. Gaza. I can't remember an issue like this that has so compromised the ruling class, day after day
a. It has exposed the complete unity of Labour and the Tories in support of Israel, at a time when it appears that the majority are opposed to Israel's actions.
b. There is no longer a safety valve (previously provided by the Labour left) within the major parties. In the past, when there was an apparent left in Labour, people could imagine that somehow that left was going to one day take over Labour and change its policies. That was one of the reasons why the left was tolerated in the Labour Party.
c. Anti-semitism, Labour's weapon of choice against its internal enemies, is crumbling as a credible charge. The beauty of anti-semitism from Starmer's point of view was that you didn't have to get into discussions about Socialism or any aspect of policy, you could just purge without question.
d. Humanitarian intervention has been the Western justification for war for decades. That cover has now been blown. |
As a Jew, putting the words beauty and anti-semitism is a bit uncomfortable. |  |
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| General Election Thread on 21:53 - Jul 3 with 1656 views | kensalriser |
| General Election Thread on 14:50 - Jul 3 by Bluce_Ree |
Well, f**k.
I fully intended to vote but I haven't posted my vote and so I guess that's that.
None of the local candidates looked right to me. Bunch of c**ts. |
If you change your mind you can take it to the polling station. |  |
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| General Election Thread on 04:57 - Jul 4 with 1455 views | FDC |
Happy Managed Democracy Day to all who celebrate |  | | |
| General Election Thread on 05:59 - Jul 4 with 1421 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
I'm off to vote in an hour before work. Crayon at the ready to draw a giant phallus across the paper as none of them have earned my vote.
A plague on all their houses. | | | |
| General Election Thread on 06:45 - Jul 4 with 1376 views | Watford_Ranger |
| General Election Thread on 21:33 - Jul 3 by E17hoop |
As a Jew, putting the words beauty and anti-semitism is a bit uncomfortable. |
Indeed. I wasn’t comfortable voting for someone so pally with Iran along with all Corbyn’s other faults (I still did as I hated Johnson but meh). Starmer has objectively done a great job of turning around a party in the bin into something sensible and electable.
My campaign to have the food stalls outside the Lower Loft stock chicken soup with an option of lokshen or kneidlach enters its 30th season. [Post edited 4 Jul 12:04]
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| General Election Thread on 06:56 - Jul 4 with 1369 views | PlanetHonneywood |
When you get to a certain age, you dont need to read the papers, and if you do, you can invariably gleen all you need to know from the headline.
So, what a day for the BBC not to publish the front pages of the UK media! Either they didn't want to or forgot, and I suspect the Sun, Mail, and Express are in a tither. But please tell me that none of them have gone wuth a lightbulb and a picture of Starmer (or Sunak) inside telling us: if this man gets in, would the last person out switch the light off.
Good luck GB and for the love of Marti, can the good folk of Clacton tell Oswald Mosley to f..k off once and for all. |  |
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| General Election Thread on 06:57 - Jul 4 with 1366 views | Watford_Ranger |
| General Election Thread on 06:56 - Jul 4 by PlanetHonneywood |
When you get to a certain age, you dont need to read the papers, and if you do, you can invariably gleen all you need to know from the headline.
So, what a day for the BBC not to publish the front pages of the UK media! Either they didn't want to or forgot, and I suspect the Sun, Mail, and Express are in a tither. But please tell me that none of them have gone wuth a lightbulb and a picture of Starmer (or Sunak) inside telling us: if this man gets in, would the last person out switch the light off.
Good luck GB and for the love of Marti, can the good folk of Clacton tell Oswald Mosley to f..k off once and for all. |
I don’t believe they can on election day. | | | |
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