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Should we sack Russ on 16:56 - Aug 8 with 1313 viewsSirjohnalot

Should we sack Russ on 12:44 - Aug 8 by ThurrockJack92

Is there an option for not yet. My goodwill for letting the process take place has run out and they need to start getting results.


That's why I said 'no' too. We do need to urgently start seeing results
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Should we sack Russ on 16:58 - Aug 8 with 1299 viewsonehunglow

Should we sack Russ on 16:56 - Aug 8 by Sirjohnalot

That's why I said 'no' too. We do need to urgently start seeing results


It might just turn out ok Jon.
It’s the best time for a manager to be exposed.

Depends on the Owners and if they have any pride

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Should we sack Russ on 17:16 - Aug 8 with 1289 viewsCatullus

Should we sack Russ on 10:58 - Aug 8 by vetchonian

Our last win was at home to relegated Derby 8 games ago since then we drew with a poor Barsnsley after finding our selves 1 down at home . threw away a 3 goal advantage to resuce a draw at Reading,scraped another draw at home after finding ourselves behind yet again then throwing away another 3 goal lead at home to get away with a draw before being battered once again by Forest and failing to win at home to a scratch QPR side...

This season we scraped a draw at Rotherham who last season were in Div 1 whilst Oba missed that sitter which could have won the game they kept Fisher far more busy than we did their keeper ...then there came Saturday .
Since our last win we have gone backwards at a rate of knots culminating in Saturday's debacle the pre season friendlies were no great shakes either but of course we were told to take no store by these "friendlies".

What makes you think he wiil get things sorted during the next 11 games.

Read the posts the majority of the fans who post on here can see the issue(s) yet this manager who many put on a plinth as a guru still believes he is right to persist with his plan.

I would nt give him 11 mins more in charge let alone 11 games.In his career he has never managed a winning run of more then 5 games

I have concerns about WInter too as it seems he is giving MArtin complete control over the footballing side of the club.


Thing is, I agree with the first team manager/coach having full control of the playing side BUT he has stand or fall on performances and results.

Martin came here making many promises but he is a flim flam merchant.

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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Should we sack Russ on 17:18 - Aug 8 with 1282 viewsjojaca

Should we sack Russ on 13:34 - Aug 8 by KeithHaynes

On current form we will be lucky to win one of those and get a draw.


When I looked at our opening fixtures, I thought they were pretty generous and thought it had potential to bang in some early points.

It's probably little to early to be talking about sacking, even though I don't see the situation improving because of his stubbornness. I think we will have another rollercoaster season of highs and lows and not much in between. We will still beat a good 6/7 teams with this system, it's just the higher end of the division have that extra quality to punish us for repeated gifts to teams.

If he can't get a new right wing back, he needs to revert to back four. Naughton on the right and then possibly looked at Paterson, Garrick, Sorinola or Obafemi to play on the wings. When reading this back, I can't believe how bad we are down the flanks.

Even when you know, you never know?

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Should we sack Russ on 17:21 - Aug 8 with 1273 viewspencoedjack

Should we sack Russ on 16:53 - Aug 8 by onehunglow

With respect pencoed,you are pro the club.
Martin is simply a temporary custodian.


With respect I support the manager & players at the start of the tenure at the club until I believe things have gone too far.

A few on here could learn a lot from that & possibly other posters wouldn’t take what they said with a pinch of salt.
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Should we sack Russ on 17:29 - Aug 8 with 1258 viewsSirjohnalot

Should we sack Russ on 17:16 - Aug 8 by Catullus

Thing is, I agree with the first team manager/coach having full control of the playing side BUT he has stand or fall on performances and results.

Martin came here making many promises but he is a flim flam merchant.


Is that the same as 'tippy tap; but a lot slower, more ponderous and not getting out of your own half ?
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Should we sack Russ on 18:26 - Aug 8 with 1217 viewsonehunglow

Should we sack Russ on 17:21 - Aug 8 by pencoedjack

With respect I support the manager & players at the start of the tenure at the club until I believe things have gone too far.

A few on here could learn a lot from that & possibly other posters wouldn’t take what they said with a pinch of salt.


Its all about respect,which Martin could do by not making out we are not a proper club.I could never support any manager that came up with that.None.

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Should we sack Russ on 19:22 - Aug 8 with 1184 viewsKeithHaynes

Should we sack Russ on 18:26 - Aug 8 by onehunglow

Its all about respect,which Martin could do by not making out we are not a proper club.I could never support any manager that came up with that.None.


He didn’t actually say that. Not at the start or recently.
Trust me, I edit Martin quotes in our reports daily. I know more about what he has said than he does 😉

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Should we sack Russ on 19:34 - Aug 8 with 1152 viewsDr_Parnassus

Should we sack Russ on 10:58 - Aug 8 by vetchonian

Our last win was at home to relegated Derby 8 games ago since then we drew with a poor Barsnsley after finding our selves 1 down at home . threw away a 3 goal advantage to resuce a draw at Reading,scraped another draw at home after finding ourselves behind yet again then throwing away another 3 goal lead at home to get away with a draw before being battered once again by Forest and failing to win at home to a scratch QPR side...

This season we scraped a draw at Rotherham who last season were in Div 1 whilst Oba missed that sitter which could have won the game they kept Fisher far more busy than we did their keeper ...then there came Saturday .
Since our last win we have gone backwards at a rate of knots culminating in Saturday's debacle the pre season friendlies were no great shakes either but of course we were told to take no store by these "friendlies".

What makes you think he wiil get things sorted during the next 11 games.

Read the posts the majority of the fans who post on here can see the issue(s) yet this manager who many put on a plinth as a guru still believes he is right to persist with his plan.

I would nt give him 11 mins more in charge let alone 11 games.In his career he has never managed a winning run of more then 5 games

I have concerns about WInter too as it seems he is giving MArtin complete control over the footballing side of the club.


We aren’t allowed to mention that we haven’t won in 8 league games.

Apparently you have to start again now and it only counts as 2.

The logic people come up with to justify this dross has been incredible. Especially when they themselves turn in the space of 90 mins to now realising what the rest of us did long ago.

There has been a lot of myth building around Martin. Strip away the nonsense and there isn’t a lot there is there.

Protecting a style of play that has never shown any success and asking players to put their pay packets and potentially career trajectories on the line to put everything into a system that has proven never to work is insulting.

The myth building needs to stop though. So I hope come the next win, we don’t have silly posts saying how wonderful he is again, it simply feeds into the machine and will only make a bigger bang when it breaks again, which does the club no favours at all.

Since midway through last season I’ve simply been calling for a realistic perspective on the bloke. No myths, no “process” speak… just someone tell me what he has done to deserve such time and leeway rarely even afforded to the most decorated managers in the game.

Someone tell me why we have so much faith and putting so much time, money and sacrifice into the following tactics:-

In his 53 games at Swansea he has achieved 1.28 points per game. That’s hideous.

At Mk Dons in his 79 games managed there be achieved 1.38 points per game. Again, hideous.

Where had it worked? What are we basing this trust on? His words?

The words from the same bloke we saw talking in that “training” video? Terrifying, truly terrifying. And anyone who continues to enable this situation should hang their heads in shame, where is the pride?

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Should we sack Russ on 19:54 - Aug 8 with 1140 viewsonehunglow

Should we sack Russ on 19:34 - Aug 8 by Dr_Parnassus

We aren’t allowed to mention that we haven’t won in 8 league games.

Apparently you have to start again now and it only counts as 2.

The logic people come up with to justify this dross has been incredible. Especially when they themselves turn in the space of 90 mins to now realising what the rest of us did long ago.

There has been a lot of myth building around Martin. Strip away the nonsense and there isn’t a lot there is there.

Protecting a style of play that has never shown any success and asking players to put their pay packets and potentially career trajectories on the line to put everything into a system that has proven never to work is insulting.

The myth building needs to stop though. So I hope come the next win, we don’t have silly posts saying how wonderful he is again, it simply feeds into the machine and will only make a bigger bang when it breaks again, which does the club no favours at all.

Since midway through last season I’ve simply been calling for a realistic perspective on the bloke. No myths, no “process” speak… just someone tell me what he has done to deserve such time and leeway rarely even afforded to the most decorated managers in the game.

Someone tell me why we have so much faith and putting so much time, money and sacrifice into the following tactics:-

In his 53 games at Swansea he has achieved 1.28 points per game. That’s hideous.

At Mk Dons in his 79 games managed there be achieved 1.38 points per game. Again, hideous.

Where had it worked? What are we basing this trust on? His words?

The words from the same bloke we saw talking in that “training” video? Terrifying, truly terrifying. And anyone who continues to enable this situation should hang their heads in shame, where is the pride?


Builth said....sack after 2 games.

This is what is ruining our recovery hopes

We've been regressing ever since Martin took over.

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Should we sack Russ on 19:55 - Aug 8 with 1143 viewsKeithHaynes

Should we sack Russ on 19:34 - Aug 8 by Dr_Parnassus

We aren’t allowed to mention that we haven’t won in 8 league games.

Apparently you have to start again now and it only counts as 2.

The logic people come up with to justify this dross has been incredible. Especially when they themselves turn in the space of 90 mins to now realising what the rest of us did long ago.

There has been a lot of myth building around Martin. Strip away the nonsense and there isn’t a lot there is there.

Protecting a style of play that has never shown any success and asking players to put their pay packets and potentially career trajectories on the line to put everything into a system that has proven never to work is insulting.

The myth building needs to stop though. So I hope come the next win, we don’t have silly posts saying how wonderful he is again, it simply feeds into the machine and will only make a bigger bang when it breaks again, which does the club no favours at all.

Since midway through last season I’ve simply been calling for a realistic perspective on the bloke. No myths, no “process” speak… just someone tell me what he has done to deserve such time and leeway rarely even afforded to the most decorated managers in the game.

Someone tell me why we have so much faith and putting so much time, money and sacrifice into the following tactics:-

In his 53 games at Swansea he has achieved 1.28 points per game. That’s hideous.

At Mk Dons in his 79 games managed there be achieved 1.38 points per game. Again, hideous.

Where had it worked? What are we basing this trust on? His words?

The words from the same bloke we saw talking in that “training” video? Terrifying, truly terrifying. And anyone who continues to enable this situation should hang their heads in shame, where is the pride?


Lost two home games in three months, oh hang on that’s three 😉

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Should we sack Russ on 20:03 - Aug 8 with 1118 viewsDr_Parnassus

Should we sack Russ on 19:55 - Aug 8 by KeithHaynes

Lost two home games in three months, oh hang on that’s three 😉


Yes I laughed when I read that on the official site too, they are taking us for idiots.

You can “not lose in 9 months” and still be relegated on 46 points.

In reality however:

Swansea 0-3 Blackburn
Swansea 0-1 QPR
Swansea 3-3 Bournemouth
Swansea 1-1 Boro
Swansea 1-1 Barnsley
Swansea 2-1 Derby
Swansea 0-0 Brum
Swansea 1-5 Fulham

In our last 8 home games:

Won 1 (against now League 1 Derby)
Drawn 4
Lost 3

7 points from 8 games.

The Official Site and their creative writing really need to know their audience isn’t as stupid as they think they are.

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Should we sack Russ on 20:03 - Aug 8 with 1121 viewsonehunglow

Should we sack Russ on 19:55 - Aug 8 by KeithHaynes

Lost two home games in three months, oh hang on that’s three 😉


How long Keith,how long?
Not that long ago,talk of wanting him sacked led to hate speech,now people seem to have changed tack and realised what is going on and what HAS been going on.

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Should we sack Russ on 20:04 - Aug 8 with 1124 viewsKeithHaynes

Should we sack Russ on 20:03 - Aug 8 by onehunglow

How long Keith,how long?
Not that long ago,talk of wanting him sacked led to hate speech,now people seem to have changed tack and realised what is going on and what HAS been going on.


No talk of wanting him sacked was ever called hate speech.

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Should we sack Russ on 20:05 - Aug 8 with 1105 viewsDr_Parnassus

The last time we won at home against a team currently in this league and not since relegated was Coventry, 5 months ago.

Only the solitary win against relegated Derby since then.

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Should we sack Russ on 20:10 - Aug 8 with 1098 viewsonehunglow

Should we sack Russ on 20:04 - Aug 8 by KeithHaynes

No talk of wanting him sacked was ever called hate speech.


No but Im talking about posters,one in particular who posted words that are perfectly described as hateful. He is still around.

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Should we sack Russ on 20:51 - Aug 8 with 1064 viewsCatullus

Should we sack Russ on 17:29 - Aug 8 by Sirjohnalot

Is that the same as 'tippy tap; but a lot slower, more ponderous and not getting out of your own half ?


Flim flam is deceptive nonsense, that's what Martin has sold us. it sounds good but the reality is much less impressive.

If Martin was a financial advisor we'd call this a Ponzi, he's selling us something that is going to cost most of us dearly after showing some early profit for the few.

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Should we sack Russ on 21:11 - Aug 8 with 1050 viewsKeithHaynes

Should we sack Russ on 20:51 - Aug 8 by Catullus

Flim flam is deceptive nonsense, that's what Martin has sold us. it sounds good but the reality is much less impressive.

If Martin was a financial advisor we'd call this a Ponzi, he's selling us something that is going to cost most of us dearly after showing some early profit for the few.


Downes has kept him above water.

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Should we sack Russ on 22:01 - Aug 8 with 999 viewsbuilthjack

Should we sack Russ on 19:54 - Aug 8 by onehunglow

Builth said....sack after 2 games.

This is what is ruining our recovery hopes

We've been regressing ever since Martin took over.


Did he indeed.

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Should we sack Russ on 22:32 - Aug 8 with 976 viewsPawelAbbott

Should we sack Russ on 12:33 - Aug 8 by pencoedjack

Yep I am in this camp as well.

Blackpool away
Millwall home
Luton home
Boro away
Stoke away

Before the end of August.

We are so predictable to play against, sit back watch us pass the ball sideward's lose possession & get done on the counter.

Not sure if I want Martin spending money on players this month (if there is any).


I can't see us getting much out of that lot.
That will be 7 games into the season.
1.5 points per game is roughly play off form, 11 points from the first 7.
I don't see us getting anything like 3 wins and a draw from that 5.
What is considered an acceptable return? Enough to keep him in a job?
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Should we sack Russ on 22:47 - Aug 8 with 960 viewsKeithHaynes

Should we sack Russ on 22:32 - Aug 8 by PawelAbbott

I can't see us getting much out of that lot.
That will be 7 games into the season.
1.5 points per game is roughly play off form, 11 points from the first 7.
I don't see us getting anything like 3 wins and a draw from that 5.
What is considered an acceptable return? Enough to keep him in a job?


As it stands 4 points tops.

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Should we sack Russ on 00:24 - Aug 9 with 915 viewsReslovenSwan1

Should we sack Russ on 20:51 - Aug 8 by Catullus

Flim flam is deceptive nonsense, that's what Martin has sold us. it sounds good but the reality is much less impressive.

If Martin was a financial advisor we'd call this a Ponzi, he's selling us something that is going to cost most of us dearly after showing some early profit for the few.


It is clearly not a 'ponzi' scheme. I doubt you know what it means. The owners are not 'hedge funders' either which fans like to throw about the place. Levein and SIlverstein are sports owners and investors.

Martin has 'boucebackabulity'. He record shows t clearly over the last two seasons. His record does not indicate consistency though.

He has a stringer squad now than last season with one or two loans.

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Should we sack Russ on 10:23 - Aug 9 with 837 viewsPawelAbbott

Should we sack Russ on 22:47 - Aug 8 by KeithHaynes

As it stands 4 points tops.


4 points can't be seen as enough to keep him.
We have to be competing around top 8-10 at least. Anything less and he has to go
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Should we sack Russ on 12:26 - Aug 9 with 779 viewsCatullus

Should we sack Russ on 22:01 - Aug 8 by builthjack

Did he indeed.


Well yes you did just not in the way he's made it sound, it was more a question with a wow of disbelief at the end.

Just my opinion, but WTF do I know anyway?
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Should we sack Russ on 14:19 - Aug 9 with 724 viewsBrynmill_Jack

Should we sack Russ on 00:24 - Aug 9 by ReslovenSwan1

It is clearly not a 'ponzi' scheme. I doubt you know what it means. The owners are not 'hedge funders' either which fans like to throw about the place. Levein and SIlverstein are sports owners and investors.

Martin has 'boucebackabulity'. He record shows t clearly over the last two seasons. His record does not indicate consistency though.

He has a stringer squad now than last season with one or two loans.


You took that to be an attack on the owners?? You’re easily triggered

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