| Carl Sergeant apparently commits suicide 13:28 - Nov 7 with 25464 views | Yossarian |
Just being reported by BBC Wales political correspondent Nick Servini that Carl Sergeant has committed suicide after being sacked following allegations of misconduct by various women. Very sad. |  |
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| Carl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 08:42 - Nov 11 with 3411 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Carl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 09:43 - Nov 10 by acejack3065 |
Strange as we did proportionately better in Wales than in England. All those people must've been voting Labour in Wales to spite Carwyn by perversely voting for his party.
The national party removing the democratically elected head of the National Assembly for Wales? Not a big fan of democracy then Bryn? |
Firstly - given the fact that the Labour movement has a huge part of its roots in Wales (and in South Wales in particular) and that the Tories were originally predicted to landlside this last election is it any wonder that Welsh Labour did (marginally) better in Wales than the national party did in England? That's a ridiculous statement to make I'm sorry.
Secondly I'm a massive fan of democracy. You're an intelligent and articulate poster and you won't need me to tell you that the word derives from the Greek words Δήμος (people) and ΚÏάτος (power) so when Ed Miliband changed the system for electing future Labour leaders to the membership it was a true democratic move.
The people have elected Jeremy Corbyn because his policies , long sidelined by a centrist neo conservative party policies and outside interests are actually what we the people want.
Carwyn Jones for his own reasons deliberately set out to distance himself from Corbyn during the UK general election campaign and in my opinion damaged the party's chances of gaining power (or at least of gaining a few more seats to force the conservatives into an even more minority government than they are now).
My problem with this is that it wasn't really anything to do with the WA labour group (or their tinpot dictator of a leader) and it was just another bit of self important ego indulgence from Carwyn Jones.
There is no such thing as Welsh Labour. It's all Labour. The party has never been segregated on National lines and never will be. He stepped WAY out of line.
I sincerely hope this matter has damaged his reputation irreparably . Pride comes before a fall and Karma seems to be coming back to Carwyn to give him his just deserts.
Your defence of Carwyn Jones leads me to believe that you are more neo con than socialist. Say it isn't so! |  |
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| Carl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 08:53 - Nov 11 with 3392 views | whoflungdung |
Great post apart from " we the people" .otherwise more people would have voted for him and he d be PM
Frankly, any opposition leader would look good againgst these tossers |  |
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| Carl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 09:03 - Nov 11 with 3381 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Carl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 08:53 - Nov 11 by whoflungdung |
Great post apart from " we the people" .otherwise more people would have voted for him and he d be PM
Frankly, any opposition leader would look good againgst these tossers |
When I said "the people" I was in fact referring to the labour party rank and file membership. Not those like yourself who love what the conservative party is doing to the poor, disabled and virtually every other vulnerable group in our society, because you're well off enough not to be affected. | |
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| Carl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 09:47 - Nov 11 with 3348 views | whoflungdung |
How am I expected to know whom you describe as people . You assume
We have some seriously wealthy posters no doubt
You ve made a pithy reply for nothing .
You ll note my contempt of all politician ,or should do | |
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| Carl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 09:56 - Nov 11 with 3338 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Carl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 09:47 - Nov 11 by whoflungdung |
How am I expected to know whom you describe as people . You assume
We have some seriously wealthy posters no doubt
You ve made a pithy reply for nothing .
You ll note my contempt of all politician ,or should do |
Well of course you knew who I was referring too. You weren't entitled to vote for Jeremy Corbyn in the Labour leadership election were you? Why not?
I'll tell you why not, it's because you aren't a member of the labour party, isn't it? ,
As aren't the majority of the British public.
So on that logic do you now see that "the people" I was referring to are Labour party rank and file members?
And I wasn't being pithy but I will now . Learn to read. And then learn to think. You f*cking beaut. | |
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| Carl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 09:59 - Nov 11 with 3332 views | whoflungdung |
You were and you are
You ve much to learn .We all have
Making assumptions is a common human action
Now,play tidy | |
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| Carl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 10:10 - Nov 11 with 3323 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Carl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 09:59 - Nov 11 by whoflungdung |
You were and you are
You ve much to learn .We all have
Making assumptions is a common human action
Now,play tidy |
You made an assumption by not reading and comprehending what I wrote. As usual you just saw what you wanted to see and replied in error. It's always the way with you. | |
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| Carl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 10:16 - Nov 11 with 3314 views | whoflungdung |
The people Steve.
THE PEOPLE
Think ,man
Don't go down this route please | |
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| Carl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 10:39 - Nov 11 with 3297 views | trampie |
| Carl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 09:56 - Nov 11 by Brynmill_Jack |
Well of course you knew who I was referring too. You weren't entitled to vote for Jeremy Corbyn in the Labour leadership election were you? Why not?
I'll tell you why not, it's because you aren't a member of the labour party, isn't it? ,
As aren't the majority of the British public.
So on that logic do you now see that "the people" I was referring to are Labour party rank and file members?
And I wasn't being pithy but I will now . Learn to read. And then learn to think. You f*cking beaut. |
People in trade unions got a vote (technicalities yes) but the reality was lots of non Labour voters voted.
Some have speculated that Conservatives and Kippers joined to vote Corbyn (they thought he was unelectable at the time and therefore would be good for the parties they vote for).
Lefties that were in trade unions (and would not vote Labour because they saw Parliamentary Labour as right wing and traitors to the working class) voted Corbyn to try and move Labour from the right wing back over to their founding fathers roots on the left. |  |
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| C creparl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 11:03 - Nov 11 with 3284 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Carl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 10:39 - Nov 11 by trampie |
People in trade unions got a vote (technicalities yes) but the reality was lots of non Labour voters voted.
Some have speculated that Conservatives and Kippers joined to vote Corbyn (they thought he was unelectable at the time and therefore would be good for the parties they vote for).
Lefties that were in trade unions (and would not vote Labour because they saw Parliamentary Labour as right wing and traitors to the working class) voted Corbyn to try and move Labour from the right wing back over to their founding fathers roots on the left. |
Did labour party members vote for Corbyn was the question was it not? And I've already answered that.
Nice to see you now you are now accepting, that due to the election of Jeremy Corbyn due to the membership and the unions the point that Labour is now once again a socialist party. And furthermore a socialist party which may be in power within 6 months.
So if you vote labour in the forthcoming election you have a chance to bring into effect a socialist Britain. So don't waste your vote on silly Plaid, there's a good boy. | |
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| C creparl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 11:08 - Nov 11 with 3278 views | trampie |
| C creparl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 11:03 - Nov 11 by Brynmill_Jack |
Did labour party members vote for Corbyn was the question was it not? And I've already answered that.
Nice to see you now you are now accepting, that due to the election of Jeremy Corbyn due to the membership and the unions the point that Labour is now once again a socialist party. And furthermore a socialist party which may be in power within 6 months.
So if you vote labour in the forthcoming election you have a chance to bring into effect a socialist Britain. So don't waste your vote on silly Plaid, there's a good boy. |
Outsiders voted Corbyn (on mass), lots of Labour voted against Corbyn. | |
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| C creparl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 11:30 - Nov 11 with 3252 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| C creparl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 11:08 - Nov 11 by trampie |
Outsiders voted Corbyn (on mass), lots of Labour voted against Corbyn. |
The majority of the labour parliamentary party did indeed try to scupper Corbyn. Those "outsiders" you mention are the ordinary members , the true lifeblood and soul of the party . I think you called them donkeys on the other thread.
Either way the will of the VAST majority of the party voted for Jeremy Corbyn and his socialist manifesto.
So what is your argument? Or has it just been destroyed? | |
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| C creparl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 12:27 - Nov 11 with 3232 views | trampie |
| C creparl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 11:30 - Nov 11 by Brynmill_Jack |
The majority of the labour parliamentary party did indeed try to scupper Corbyn. Those "outsiders" you mention are the ordinary members , the true lifeblood and soul of the party . I think you called them donkeys on the other thread.
Either way the will of the VAST majority of the party voted for Jeremy Corbyn and his socialist manifesto.
So what is your argument? Or has it just been destroyed? |
No mun, the outsiders were non Labour voters that joined Labour to vote Corbyn.
It cost £3, Labour had to change their rules and charge £25 to join because of entryism.
Nearly all the ones that paid £3 to join voted Corbyn (lots of them were Conservatives), disregarding the recently joined £3 members, Corbyn got less than 50% of the vote. | |
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| C creparl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 12:52 - Nov 11 with 3222 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| C creparl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 12:27 - Nov 11 by trampie |
No mun, the outsiders were non Labour voters that joined Labour to vote Corbyn.
It cost £3, Labour had to change their rules and charge £25 to join because of entryism.
Nearly all the ones that paid £3 to join voted Corbyn (lots of them were Conservatives), disregarding the recently joined £3 members, Corbyn got less than 50% of the vote. |
A great deal more were labour grass roots members than any conservative infiltrators.
Even if there were conservatives infiltrating to vote it's another moot point as they would have helped create the socialist labour party that is going to gain power within the next 6-12 months.
People like pikey Paul did that. The irony is going to be delicious!
Are you saying then that the thousands who turned up to rallies during the election campaign were infiltrated by thousands of Tories too? That's what I call really going the "extra mile"  | |
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| Carl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 13:10 - Nov 11 with 3211 views | whoflungdung |
Bryn.
I post this in good faith .
Have you ever considered voting other than LABOUR. Are you driven by "class" ,policies or personal situation
In my lifetime,Ive voted Plaid,Labour,Conservative,Liberal,Lib Dems .
I would never ever vote out of loyalty to any party | |
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| C creparl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 14:01 - Nov 11 with 3191 views | trampie |
| C creparl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 12:52 - Nov 11 by Brynmill_Jack |
A great deal more were labour grass roots members than any conservative infiltrators.
Even if there were conservatives infiltrating to vote it's another moot point as they would have helped create the socialist labour party that is going to gain power within the next 6-12 months.
People like pikey Paul did that. The irony is going to be delicious!
Are you saying then that the thousands who turned up to rallies during the election campaign were infiltrated by thousands of Tories too? That's what I call really going the "extra mile" |
I never mentioned rallies, Corbyn is a English unionist capitalist what do people in little old Swansea think he is going to do for them ?, would he even care ... hmm | |
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| Carl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 15:20 - Nov 11 with 3172 views | whoflungdung |
Who knows what Corbyn is ,trampie.
He certainly knows how to engratiate himself to people and will do or say anything for votes and power
Sorry to mention him | |
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| C creparl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 16:12 - Nov 11 with 3152 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| C creparl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 14:01 - Nov 11 by trampie |
I never mentioned rallies, Corbyn is a English unionist capitalist what do people in little old Swansea think he is going to do for them ?, would he even care ... hmm |
No you didn't,. I did. The reason I did was to demonstrate the level of support he had from all over the country.
Which you knew but then chose to ignore that point and bang on about him not caring about Swansea.
He'd be a much better supporter of Swansea than The Tories or the WAG put together.
And before you spout your usual cr@p about plaid doing better they aren't ever going to get into power . | |
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| C creparl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 16:18 - Nov 11 with 3142 views | trampie |
| C creparl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 16:12 - Nov 11 by Brynmill_Jack |
No you didn't,. I did. The reason I did was to demonstrate the level of support he had from all over the country.
Which you knew but then chose to ignore that point and bang on about him not caring about Swansea.
He'd be a much better supporter of Swansea than The Tories or the WAG put together.
And before you spout your usual cr@p about plaid doing better they aren't ever going to get into power . |
Labour run WAG . | |
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| Carl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 16:21 - Nov 11 with 3140 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Carl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 13:10 - Nov 11 by whoflungdung |
Bryn.
I post this in good faith .
Have you ever considered voting other than LABOUR. Are you driven by "class" ,policies or personal situation
In my lifetime,Ive voted Plaid,Labour,Conservative,Liberal,Lib Dems .
I would never ever vote out of loyalty to any party |
I have nt voted labour since 1997. In the past I've voted Lib dem once and plaid once. Then apathy took me until this last election. I returned to vote labour.
It isn't about class, it's about corruption.
The Tories are letting their mates in the big corporations , bankers, arms dealers and even rich foreign property speculators get away with paying minimal tax and the conservatives are getting kickbacks for it.
In the same manner as when they robbed our nationalised utilities and transport firms and sold them for a profit . They are planning to do the same to the health service and they mustn't be allowed to get away with it. | |
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| Carl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 16:25 - Nov 11 with 3138 views | whoflungdung |
And I can understand your view .Seriously
You keep me on my toes for sure and I make no assumptions of yourself | |
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| Carl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 16:42 - Nov 11 with 3125 views | trampie |
| Carl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 16:21 - Nov 11 by Brynmill_Jack |
I have nt voted labour since 1997. In the past I've voted Lib dem once and plaid once. Then apathy took me until this last election. I returned to vote labour.
It isn't about class, it's about corruption.
The Tories are letting their mates in the big corporations , bankers, arms dealers and even rich foreign property speculators get away with paying minimal tax and the conservatives are getting kickbacks for it.
In the same manner as when they robbed our nationalised utilities and transport firms and sold them for a profit . They are planning to do the same to the health service and they mustn't be allowed to get away with it. |
You have voted Plaid, I thought you said Plaid was a wasted vote ?, how does that work then ?
Was the lovely Leanne leader at the time ? | |
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| Carl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 20:24 - Nov 11 with 3095 views | acejack3065 |
| Carl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 08:42 - Nov 11 by Brynmill_Jack |
Firstly - given the fact that the Labour movement has a huge part of its roots in Wales (and in South Wales in particular) and that the Tories were originally predicted to landlside this last election is it any wonder that Welsh Labour did (marginally) better in Wales than the national party did in England? That's a ridiculous statement to make I'm sorry.
Secondly I'm a massive fan of democracy. You're an intelligent and articulate poster and you won't need me to tell you that the word derives from the Greek words Δήμος (people) and ΚÏάτος (power) so when Ed Miliband changed the system for electing future Labour leaders to the membership it was a true democratic move.
The people have elected Jeremy Corbyn because his policies , long sidelined by a centrist neo conservative party policies and outside interests are actually what we the people want.
Carwyn Jones for his own reasons deliberately set out to distance himself from Corbyn during the UK general election campaign and in my opinion damaged the party's chances of gaining power (or at least of gaining a few more seats to force the conservatives into an even more minority government than they are now).
My problem with this is that it wasn't really anything to do with the WA labour group (or their tinpot dictator of a leader) and it was just another bit of self important ego indulgence from Carwyn Jones.
There is no such thing as Welsh Labour. It's all Labour. The party has never been segregated on National lines and never will be. He stepped WAY out of line.
I sincerely hope this matter has damaged his reputation irreparably . Pride comes before a fall and Karma seems to be coming back to Carwyn to give him his just deserts.
Your defence of Carwyn Jones leads me to believe that you are more neo con than socialist. Say it isn't so! |
That first sentence is total bunk. Regardless of predictions labour did better in Wales than in England. Only a crank could conclude that the results were in spite of Welsh labour and not in conjunction with the efforts put in.
If you’re a fan of democracy why are you advocating the facist removal of a democratically elected leader?
In case you hadn’t noticed, Labour were the second biggest party after the general election and a long way off winning. FYI labour could’ve won all the seats in wales and the Tories would still be in power so don’t try and create some ludicrous conspiracy like the rest of the cyber Corbyn nutters.
Like it or not there is such a thing as Welsh Labour. The group in the assembly have he actual responsibility of governing. Before Corbyn started promising the world there used to be “clear red water” between us and the party in England. The idea that the Welsh party is full of traitorous blairutes is only 2 years old.
Grow up and get some perspective. You’re a sensible guy. |  | | |
| Carl Sergeant apparently commits suicide on 20:29 - Nov 11 with 3091 views | acejack3065 |
1) morons think labour wasn’t a social democratic socialist party before corbyn
2) trampie isn’t a real persons. He’s just a troll. No real person could be this blinkered. | | | |
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