| Venezuela - a reality checks 23:13 - May 21 with 17442 views | jackrabbit |
I don't know if you've been keeping an eye on Venezuela? It is a socialist regime much lauded by Mr Corbyn as an example of what we should aspire to. Well yes, if you fancy hyperinflation, a worthless currency and empty shelves in shops and supermarkets - how do fancy queuing for hours to buy toilet rolls? In short, this socialist paradise is a modern day catastrophe.
Venezuela is yet another example of the folly that is socialism. The thing is, it's nothing new. We were used to hearing these stories in the latter half of last century, when half of Europe was living the 'Socialist Dream' under the Soviet boot heel. The only thing that changes is that yet another starry-eyed generation of young people have to see for themselves and suffer the disillusion that comes from experience. TheVenezuelan experience will never be repeated in Britain because for all its faults the British electorate will never vote into power a pair of Trotskyite zealots like Corbyn and McDonnell. Here's a flavour:
"Many Venezuelans have already left the country, including Francisco Flores.....
The NHS therapist, who now lives in London, says the regime is based on a principle of keeping everyone “equal but poor”.
This way, the state becomes a nanny and everyone loses the power to do anything because they are so dependent on it.
Venezuela is now suffering from the effects of a deep recession and hyperinflation as the government prints money to try to plug a gap between revenues and spending that is on course to hit 25pc of gross domestic product (GDP) next year."
Pure Corbynism. [Post edited 21 May 2016 23:18]
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| Venezuela - a reality checks on 01:22 - May 29 with 1559 views | Darran |
| Venezuela - a reality checks on 01:17 - May 29 by exiledclaseboy |
All of them?
Bluey, what you reckon mush? |
I've got a wonderful Jewish friend,you probably saw my tweet to him yesterday,he's not minted.
I still love him though. |  |
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| Venezuela - a reality checks on 01:27 - May 29 with 1556 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Venezuela - a reality checks on 01:22 - May 29 by Darran |
I've got a wonderful Jewish friend,you probably saw my tweet to him yesterday,he's not minted.
I still love him though. |
Moslem friends, Jewish friends, you're the planet swans Middle East peace envoy  |  | | |
| Venezuela - a reality checks on 01:36 - May 29 with 1551 views | Darran |
| Venezuela - a reality checks on 01:27 - May 29 by londonlisa2001 |
Moslem friends, Jewish friends, you're the planet swans Middle East peace envoy |
I might be Lis but I'm not religious and they all know it.
They know where I'm coming from and that's living in the real world. | |
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| Venezuela - a reality checks on 10:39 - May 29 with 1488 views | blueytheblue |
| Venezuela - a reality checks on 01:17 - May 29 by exiledclaseboy |
All of them?
Bluey, what you reckon mush? |
Really wish my wife was excellent at making money.
She's not bad with money - not into handbags and shoes so manages money fairly well but a sample size of one is a bit small for a generalisation... | |
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| Venezuela - a reality checks on 10:39 - May 29 with 1486 views | blueytheblue |
| Venezuela - a reality checks on 01:27 - May 29 by londonlisa2001 |
Moslem friends, Jewish friends, you're the planet swans Middle East peace envoy |
Tony Blair with better hair. | |
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| Venezuela - a reality checks on 10:52 - May 29 with 1454 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Venezuela - a reality checks on 10:39 - May 29 by blueytheblue |
Really wish my wife was excellent at making money.
She's not bad with money - not into handbags and shoes so manages money fairly well but a sample size of one is a bit small for a generalisation... |
She's a disgrace to her cultural stereotype. Oy vey mun. |  |
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| Venezuela - a reality checks on 11:40 - May 29 with 1426 views | blueytheblue |
| Venezuela - a reality checks on 10:52 - May 29 by exiledclaseboy |
She's a disgrace to her cultural stereotype. Oy vey mun. |
I know - and get this, she's got a small nose too. Letting the tribe down... | |
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| Venezuela - a reality checks on 12:02 - May 29 with 1417 views | donkeylabour |
| Venezuela - a reality checks on 00:28 - May 29 by londonlisa2001 |
Since when? You said Moslems tend to be poorer than Jews and when someone asked what evidence there was for that you said 'are you serious' and then mentioned the 'Rich List'.
Your sudden change from 'money' to 'entrepreneurship' has only come because you've realised that you forgot about all the rich as Croesus Arab states. |
There's about 16m Jews in the 'World' in comparative terms this isn't even a debate.
I'm actually shocked I'm having to defend the bleeding obvious, I say this as someone who has no dog in the fight.
I don't want to get into a semantics debate, to me it's not a debating point it's obvious. The question is does it matter and should we care. |  |
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| Venezuela - a reality checks on 12:17 - May 29 with 1402 views | Highjack |
| Venezuela - a reality checks on 12:02 - May 29 by donkeylabour |
There's about 16m Jews in the 'World' in comparative terms this isn't even a debate.
I'm actually shocked I'm having to defend the bleeding obvious, I say this as someone who has no dog in the fight.
I don't want to get into a semantics debate, to me it's not a debating point it's obvious. The question is does it matter and should we care. |
So you admit to being anti semantic then? Just as I thought. |  |
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| Venezuela - a reality checks on 14:29 - May 29 with 1375 views | Highjack |
Has nobody suggested to George osbourne that the best way to improve the nations economy is to force everyone to convert to Judaism. We'd all be billionaires in weeks. | |
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| Venezuela - a reality checks on 17:07 - May 29 with 1353 views | donkeylabour |
| Venezuela - a reality checks on 12:17 - May 29 by Highjack |
So you admit to being anti semantic then? Just as I thought. |
If stating a basic truth makes me anti semitic then I guess I am.
Nevermind that I believe in the State of Israel and value the contribution of Jews. I'm anti Semitic for stating a basic fact, quality.
I challenge you to actually prove me wrong. | |
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| Venezuela - a reality checks on 17:10 - May 29 with 1349 views | donkeylabour |
| Venezuela - a reality checks on 14:29 - May 29 by Highjack |
Has nobody suggested to George osbourne that the best way to improve the nations economy is to force everyone to convert to Judaism. We'd all be billionaires in weeks. |
Well yes if we all had a tremendous work ethic, strong culture and taught skills in accountancy from a young age then we probably would be stronger as a Nation.
Am I actually debating this still? Feck me read a bloody book mate, try and understand different faiths, ideologies and cultures.
I have not in anyway criticised jewish people in any of my messages, quite the opposite. I have respect for them, as someone who believes in a market economy. | |
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| Venezuela - a reality checks on 17:11 - May 29 with 1347 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Venezuela - a reality checks on 17:10 - May 29 by donkeylabour |
Well yes if we all had a tremendous work ethic, strong culture and taught skills in accountancy from a young age then we probably would be stronger as a Nation.
Am I actually debating this still? Feck me read a bloody book mate, try and understand different faiths, ideologies and cultures.
I have not in anyway criticised jewish people in any of my messages, quite the opposite. I have respect for them, as someone who believes in a market economy. |
Some of my best friends are Jewish. | |
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| Venezuela - a reality checks on 17:11 - May 29 with 1346 views | Highjack |
| Venezuela - a reality checks on 17:07 - May 29 by donkeylabour |
If stating a basic truth makes me anti semitic then I guess I am.
Nevermind that I believe in the State of Israel and value the contribution of Jews. I'm anti Semitic for stating a basic fact, quality.
I challenge you to actually prove me wrong. |
Calm down I never said you were anti Semitic mun.  | |
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| Venezuela - a reality checks on 17:13 - May 29 with 1343 views | donkeylabour |
| Venezuela - a reality checks on 17:11 - May 29 by exiledclaseboy |
Some of my best friends are Jewish. |
Are they fascinating. | |
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| Venezuela - a reality checks on 17:14 - May 29 with 1342 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Venezuela - a reality checks on 17:11 - May 29 by Highjack |
Calm down I never said you were anti Semitic mun. |
No one has. Perpetuating a cultural stereotype does not an anti semite make. | |
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| Venezuela - a reality checks on 17:15 - May 29 with 1338 views | Highjack |
| Venezuela - a reality checks on 17:10 - May 29 by donkeylabour |
Well yes if we all had a tremendous work ethic, strong culture and taught skills in accountancy from a young age then we probably would be stronger as a Nation.
Am I actually debating this still? Feck me read a bloody book mate, try and understand different faiths, ideologies and cultures.
I have not in anyway criticised jewish people in any of my messages, quite the opposite. I have respect for them, as someone who believes in a market economy. |
Which book should I read to gain your insight? I have read several books including Adrian mole, Lord of the rings and Biggles learns to fly but none of them explain why a Jew is always wealthier than a Muslim by default. | |
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| Venezuela - a reality checks on 17:16 - May 29 with 1338 views | donkeylabour |
| Venezuela - a reality checks on 17:11 - May 29 by Highjack |
Calm down I never said you were anti Semitic mun. |
"So you admit to being anti semantic then? Just as I thought."
No you didn't 
Nevermind chaps, I'm sorry to suggest otherwise.
Everyone is the same, there's no differences we're all equal absolutely no differences in belief systems, biological differences or culture.
Ignorance is bliss  | |
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| Venezuela - a reality checks on 17:17 - May 29 with 1336 views | exiledclaseboy |
Strawman alert. | |
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| Venezuela - a reality checks on 17:17 - May 29 with 1336 views | blueytheblue |
| Venezuela - a reality checks on 17:14 - May 29 by exiledclaseboy |
No one has. Perpetuating a cultural stereotype does not an anti semite make. |
Eh it does to a degree. Casual anti-semitism is still anti-semitism...though I'd say people often say things in banter between themselves where both parties know there's malicious intent.
Where the stereotype was created with malicious intent, then it should not be perpetuated. | |
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| Venezuela - a reality checks on 17:19 - May 29 with 1333 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Venezuela - a reality checks on 17:17 - May 29 by blueytheblue |
Eh it does to a degree. Casual anti-semitism is still anti-semitism...though I'd say people often say things in banter between themselves where both parties know there's malicious intent.
Where the stereotype was created with malicious intent, then it should not be perpetuated. |
That's fair enough actually. I was trying to cut him some slack.
As an aside, Dickens hated Jews and that came through in his writing. I'd keep your lad away from Oliver Twist when he's old enough if I were you. | |
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| Venezuela - a reality checks on 17:21 - May 29 with 1330 views | donkeylabour |
| Venezuela - a reality checks on 17:15 - May 29 by Highjack |
Which book should I read to gain your insight? I have read several books including Adrian mole, Lord of the rings and Biggles learns to fly but none of them explain why a Jew is always wealthier than a Muslim by default. |
Right this is my last post on the subject.
This is what I said:
'Muslims tend to be poorer than Jews and therefore require attention'
The operative word there is "tend"
I'm not going to say anymore than that it's boring. It's not exactly rocket science to see what I'm getting at Palestinians are the underdog at present and require more attention, the State of Israel is powerful and has the power AIPAC lobby in America.
Now on the last point are you really going to suggest that doesn't exist? Really? | |
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| Venezuela - a reality checks on 17:24 - May 29 with 1327 views | donkeylabour |
I'm probably what you'd term a Zionist as well, if I'm bordering on anti semitic Lord knows what that makes the likes of Corbyn and his friends. | |
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| Venezuela - a reality checks on 17:26 - May 29 with 1323 views | blueytheblue |
| Venezuela - a reality checks on 17:19 - May 29 by exiledclaseboy |
That's fair enough actually. I was trying to cut him some slack.
As an aside, Dickens hated Jews and that came through in his writing. I'd keep your lad away from Oliver Twist when he's old enough if I were you. |
Indeed, it was pretty crass sadly a product of the times.
I found the David Lean / Alec Guiness depiction of Fagin to be pretty vile anti-semitism at it's worst. Oh look, the long crooked nose... all it needed was to throw in the Blood Libel and you'd have had a BNP/NF wet dream.
Ron Moody's depiction I felt worked better - taking a Jew to remove the overt anti-semitism. | |
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| Venezuela - a reality checks on 17:30 - May 29 with 1320 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Venezuela - a reality checks on 17:26 - May 29 by blueytheblue |
Indeed, it was pretty crass sadly a product of the times.
I found the David Lean / Alec Guiness depiction of Fagin to be pretty vile anti-semitism at it's worst. Oh look, the long crooked nose... all it needed was to throw in the Blood Libel and you'd have had a BNP/NF wet dream.
Ron Moody's depiction I felt worked better - taking a Jew to remove the overt anti-semitism. |
Aye problem is the Guiness portrayal is far closer to the character as written. Moody's character was softened into a kindly old rogue for the purposes of a family musical. | |
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