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Oh yes, I forgot Ian, you don't do nuance. Your ABC of truth sounds great. I can agree that Covid is real, I can agree that doctors and scientists are doing their best within set parameters, i can agree that most vaccines have helped society. The devil is always in the detail.
Am I right in thinking you want a totalitarian state or are you overstating to crush opposition? Do you believe in bodily autonomy or does the state own your body? Do you think the unvaxxed should be fined and eventually imprisoned? Do you think we should be discussing vaccine injury and particularly the rise of myocarditis?
Lose the tribal rhetoric and give me your answers
Remind us again Marcus why you don't want the jab?
Measles, Mumps and Rubella, together with Hep B are now routinely given to around 1.6m babies each year including boosters. These are relatively stable viruses, but the numbers are relatively miniscule compared to the UK 107m Covid 19 vaccinations in a year.
Even with Influenza, where the virus is much more dynamic, the UK administers around 9m pa. When you take the Covid 19 programme across the EU and USA, who have generally used the same vaccines, there is no way that the vaccines can still be called experimental as they probably have more known about them than most vaccinations currently used globally, given how much they have been scrutinised. What we don't know about so well is the virus itself.
The vaccines were new, but not experimental once out of the trials phase. Some of the arguments against (not all) remind me of the Corbinistas who still think that 1960s and 1970s socialism is the way forward and stick to the old, disproved thinking and arguments regardless of their version of black magic having been long disproved. It would be funny if it wasn't dangerous.
This is yet another factually incorrect post..they are experimental and emergency licensed..don't tell lies.
This is yet another factually incorrect post..they are experimental and emergency licensed..don't tell lies.
Factually incorrect? Are you saying that the annual volume of Covid vaccinations do not far outstrip flu vaccinations for example? Or are you denying that the statistical cover, scrutiny and understanding of the billion or so jabs given worlwide in the last year are the equivalent of many years of volume and understanding of say the flu jab?
Or are you just hinging on the "Experimental" label?
You accuse others of pedantry and call us liars, but you are hanging on threads. The fact that the medical profession has got better things to do whilst thousands of people are still dying with this virus, not spending time to change the classification of what is now a well proven therapy doesn't detract one jot from the fact that there is not one known medical body anywhere in the world that are considering withdrawing the vaccine licenses. Or are they all just acting in bad faith here?
Sorry mate, your arguments are in tatters. You are entitled to believe whatever you want, but that doesn't make it any more real or valid for the rest of the world.
A year ago, your concerns and reservations were pertinent to be raised. There are often good reasons to challenge accepted medical knowledge, and if we didn't, there would be no progress, which is exactly what the Covid Vaccination programme has done.
Factually incorrect? Are you saying that the annual volume of Covid vaccinations do not far outstrip flu vaccinations for example? Or are you denying that the statistical cover, scrutiny and understanding of the billion or so jabs given worlwide in the last year are the equivalent of many years of volume and understanding of say the flu jab?
Or are you just hinging on the "Experimental" label?
You accuse others of pedantry and call us liars, but you are hanging on threads. The fact that the medical profession has got better things to do whilst thousands of people are still dying with this virus, not spending time to change the classification of what is now a well proven therapy doesn't detract one jot from the fact that there is not one known medical body anywhere in the world that are considering withdrawing the vaccine licenses. Or are they all just acting in bad faith here?
Sorry mate, your arguments are in tatters. You are entitled to believe whatever you want, but that doesn't make it any more real or valid for the rest of the world.
A year ago, your concerns and reservations were pertinent to be raised. There are often good reasons to challenge accepted medical knowledge, and if we didn't, there would be no progress, which is exactly what the Covid Vaccination programme has done.
Cases are raging higher than last year...they're mainly being transmitted by fully vaccinated as is shown by the Oslo and Wateford examples on the other threads...
But I'm either being accused of being tangentially misleading .or misrepresentation in regards to actual viable facts.
There are no fully approved vaccines in the uk .yet posters try and portray that as not true by ambiguous means.
Why are vaccinated people lying about this extremely important point.
Even the government have shown no confidence in Astra Zeneca by not using them in their recent orders with Pfizer and Moderna just this week.
Many of the sanctions on unvaccinated people now being brought about across Europe and soon here were laughed at by many on here as something that would never happen..but they are happening right in front of your eyes.
It's been ridicule and rejection for months..but yet again things that were highlighted that would occur going forward are clearly happening.
I don't get what Jelly and S68 are after or trying to achieve.
In this country no-one is forced to take the jab and the government have repelled calls for vaccine passports. Every one you are arguing with has gladly taken the vaccine , if you dont want to I have no issue with that and I dont agree with vaccine passports.
So why are you trawling the internet to post stories or opinions of people that you know none of your target audience give any credibility too , is it that you feel you need to convert others so that you don't look stupid , like the overly religious trying to justify that their invisible friend in the sky is real and they feel they have to make everyone else believe the same ?
So go on Jelly explain what you are hoping to achieve ? Are you hoping that everyone on the Ugly Inside will suddenly refuse the vaccine , like I say you can do what you want in my opinion just dont tell me what I should do or think in return.
Button it nipper and get on with your vaccine free life.
I don't get what Jelly and S68 are after or trying to achieve.
In this country no-one is forced to take the jab and the government have repelled calls for vaccine passports. Every one you are arguing with has gladly taken the vaccine , if you dont want to I have no issue with that and I dont agree with vaccine passports.
So why are you trawling the internet to post stories or opinions of people that you know none of your target audience give any credibility too , is it that you feel you need to convert others so that you don't look stupid , like the overly religious trying to justify that their invisible friend in the sky is real and they feel they have to make everyone else believe the same ?
So go on Jelly explain what you are hoping to achieve ? Are you hoping that everyone on the Ugly Inside will suddenly refuse the vaccine , like I say you can do what you want in my opinion just dont tell me what I should do or think in return.
Button it nipper and get on with your vaccine free life.
Er, I think it is called debating Bison and in most democratic countries is seen as a good thing. I could join some echo chamber discussion, but what is the point in that? I am searching after truth, not confirmation.
There is clearly a mass psychosis happening throughout the world where we are being incrementally drawn into a totalitarian tyranny; Lockdown to mask wearing to vaccines to vaccine passes to mandatory vaccines to fines for not being jabbed to imprisonment for not paying your fines for not being jabbed......
This affects us all, vaxxed or unvaxxed, freedoms lost are never given back without a fight and this is easily the biggest thing to happen in my lifetime, so it needs at least to be talked about.
The vaccine lovers can bathe in the stuff for all I care. It is the fear porn that bothers me from a heavily censored media and the active discrimination that is coming soon.
Rosa Parks was told to "button it" when she got kicked off on that bus. Discrimination is always worth fighting against.
I wholly disapprove of what you say and will defend to the death your right to say it.
Er, I think it is called debating Bison and in most democratic countries is seen as a good thing. I could join some echo chamber discussion, but what is the point in that? I am searching after truth, not confirmation.
There is clearly a mass psychosis happening throughout the world where we are being incrementally drawn into a totalitarian tyranny; Lockdown to mask wearing to vaccines to vaccine passes to mandatory vaccines to fines for not being jabbed to imprisonment for not paying your fines for not being jabbed......
This affects us all, vaxxed or unvaxxed, freedoms lost are never given back without a fight and this is easily the biggest thing to happen in my lifetime, so it needs at least to be talked about.
The vaccine lovers can bathe in the stuff for all I care. It is the fear porn that bothers me from a heavily censored media and the active discrimination that is coming soon.
Rosa Parks was told to "button it" when she got kicked off on that bus. Discrimination is always worth fighting against.
So what is your advice to all your fellow Uglies ?
You are very passionate give us your top 5 tips or advice we should all follow regarding the current situation , pretend the time to debate is over , the government and scientist have given their advice ie take the vaccination , wear masks , avoid indoor crowded places etc...
so stop cut and paste and naming your sources , if you were PM what would you do . ( I am not really expecting you to actually suggest anything , but perhaps you might )
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