| Russia invade Ukraine 14:17 - Dec 23 with 189714 views | Flynnidine_Zidownes |
Discuss.
Also why is Putin always described in the media as this rugged strongman? He’s barely five foot tall with his high heels on.
But that’s another debate.
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 19:50 - Mar 10 with 1371 views | Catullus |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 10:33 - Mar 10 by controversial_jack |
This is a great post and very true. Putin also want's the Ukraine as a kind of no mans land buffer between Russia and NATO. He doesn't want the Ukraine for it's resources as Russia has enough of it's own and is a basket case financially. Unfortunately, I think the Ukraine will be destroyed in the process. Putin will get his way, he always does. |
Putin doesn't want Ukraine's (rich) resources because Russia has enough of it's own and is a basket case financially...seriously?
So if I had 10 billion in gold out my shed and my neighbour had another 5 billion, I wouldn't want his gold even though I have debts of 14 billion? I thought I'd keep it simple for you.
Of course Putin wants Ukraine's resources, he's not doing all this and will then just ignore the wealth on his doorstep.
Putin always gets his way? We'll see. He's not exactly getting his way right now though, his army is making small progress but getting a right hiding in some places and his economy is tanking. A rouble is currently worth less than monopoly money, then there's food shortages and inflation,
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/01/26/russias-food-price-cap-could-lead-to-s | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 20:15 - Mar 10 with 1336 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 10:06 - Mar 10 by Catullus |
Germany was vetoing some EU proposals and NATO responses until, as you say, the shame set in.
We have many illegal immigrants yet we don't just open our gates to Ukraine's victims of war, it makes no sense to me. |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 20:29 - Mar 10 with 1324 views | Catullus |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 20:15 - Mar 10 by Kilkennyjack |
Shameful UK 🇬🇧 |
That is about our response to refugees, not our overall effort which had been more than the EU had done. As I have said, I agree we should have done much more for refugees and we should be giving them special dispensation to come here for as long as their country is under siege. | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 20:51 - Mar 10 with 1308 views | Flashberryjack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 20:29 - Mar 10 by Catullus |
That is about our response to refugees, not our overall effort which had been more than the EU had done. As I have said, I agree we should have done much more for refugees and we should be giving them special dispensation to come here for as long as their country is under siege. |
The problem is, we've been allowing far to many illegal immigrants into (what is a relatively small country) for many years.
Sadly, now that there are genuine refugees from the Ukraine, we're struggling to offer them as much support as we'd like, and why are we offering them a 3 year visa, I'm assuming it's because we are hoping that the war will be over by then, that doesn't seem to be happening to refugees from other countries, where we give indefinite right to remain. |  |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 21:29 - Mar 10 with 1267 views | Gwyn737 |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 20:51 - Mar 10 by Flashberryjack |
The problem is, we've been allowing far to many illegal immigrants into (what is a relatively small country) for many years.
Sadly, now that there are genuine refugees from the Ukraine, we're struggling to offer them as much support as we'd like, and why are we offering them a 3 year visa, I'm assuming it's because we are hoping that the war will be over by then, that doesn't seem to be happening to refugees from other countries, where we give indefinite right to remain. |
I don’t think the poor handling of illegal immigration should be used to justify not responding to a humanitarian crisis.
It’s letting governments of the hook for for two poor pieces of work. | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 21:37 - Mar 10 with 1247 views | Dr_Winston |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 21:29 - Mar 10 by Gwyn737 |
I don’t think the poor handling of illegal immigration should be used to justify not responding to a humanitarian crisis.
It’s letting governments of the hook for for two poor pieces of work. |
Tend to agree with this. |  |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 21:39 - Mar 10 with 1246 views | Flashberryjack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 21:29 - Mar 10 by Gwyn737 |
I don’t think the poor handling of illegal immigration should be used to justify not responding to a humanitarian crisis.
It’s letting governments of the hook for for two poor pieces of work. |
I'm not trying to justify anything, it is what it is, and the British government has responded as good, if not better than most other countries, of course, there will be arguments that we could do more, there always will be no matter what we do.
Going back to my initial point, which I stand by, we have allowed to many illegal immigrants to remain in this country, and this will certainly affect our ability to give as much help to future genuine refugees as we'd wish to do. | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 21:49 - Mar 10 with 1240 views | Gwyn737 |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 21:39 - Mar 10 by Flashberryjack |
I'm not trying to justify anything, it is what it is, and the British government has responded as good, if not better than most other countries, of course, there will be arguments that we could do more, there always will be no matter what we do.
Going back to my initial point, which I stand by, we have allowed to many illegal immigrants to remain in this country, and this will certainly affect our ability to give as much help to future genuine refugees as we'd wish to do. |
I wouldn’t go as far as saying we’re full but there’s definitely pressure on services.
I’d say that’s more down to a decade or so of austerity than illegal immigrants. | | | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 22:03 - Mar 10 with 1222 views | Catullus |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 21:39 - Mar 10 by Flashberryjack |
I'm not trying to justify anything, it is what it is, and the British government has responded as good, if not better than most other countries, of course, there will be arguments that we could do more, there always will be no matter what we do.
Going back to my initial point, which I stand by, we have allowed to many illegal immigrants to remain in this country, and this will certainly affect our ability to give as much help to future genuine refugees as we'd wish to do. |
We've responded better in terms of sanctions, sending materiel and other crucial supplies to Ukraine but as for the refugees, we are well down on that list.
We should be doing better and not just talking about doing better or making excuses. | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 22:06 - Mar 10 with 1220 views | Flashberryjack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 21:49 - Mar 10 by Gwyn737 |
I wouldn’t go as far as saying we’re full but there’s definitely pressure on services.
I’d say that’s more down to a decade or so of austerity than illegal immigrants. |
I didn't say we are full, but we are coming very close to being full..
Maybe a combination of austerity and illegal immigration, seems we can halt one, but we can't halt the other. | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 22:15 - Mar 10 with 1211 views | Catullus |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 12:10 - Mar 10 by A_Fans_Dad |
"It is a disaster for the USA because everybody can see how the Ukrainians have been used in order to suck Russia into this disastrous action (which will cost them dearly) and they will no longer believe any American President's empty promises. "
That may be true of world leaders, but not the public, who are fed a diet of lies every day.
Nobody is talking about the repercussions of this military action and the world's responses.
The aim of the UN Agendas and the WEF is to make energy too expensive for the poor, especially for mobility purposes.
Well this will advance that cause a lot as the world faces massive inflation on top of the inflation that was caused by COVID.
There are dark times ahead. |
We are already seeing the repercussions, the price rises. it's not just fuel, gas and electricity that's going up so this mobility stuff, are they going to price us out of heating our homes and buying food too?
When we can't afford cars because fuel is too expensive, what happens to the car industry worldwide? What about all those jobs?
If what you say is true why have the UAE stepped up to pump more oil to help try to stop prices rising. Whether it works or not we'll have to wait and see. | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 23:48 - Mar 10 with 1184 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 22:15 - Mar 10 by Catullus |
We are already seeing the repercussions, the price rises. it's not just fuel, gas and electricity that's going up so this mobility stuff, are they going to price us out of heating our homes and buying food too?
When we can't afford cars because fuel is too expensive, what happens to the car industry worldwide? What about all those jobs?
If what you say is true why have the UAE stepped up to pump more oil to help try to stop prices rising. Whether it works or not we'll have to wait and see. |
Why wouldn't the UAE pump more at 120 dollars a barrel.
Just because the long term aims of the WEF are for us to own nothing and like it, their words by the way, doesn't stop their members making the most of the market situation to make a few more billions.
For the last couple of years the green reset people have all been saying we should leave the oil in the ground, with no concept of what it really means for society. | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 06:41 - Mar 11 with 1150 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 21:29 - Mar 10 by Gwyn737 |
I don’t think the poor handling of illegal immigration should be used to justify not responding to a humanitarian crisis.
It’s letting governments of the hook for for two poor pieces of work. |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 06:48 - Mar 11 with 1149 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 23:48 - Mar 10 by A_Fans_Dad |
Why wouldn't the UAE pump more at 120 dollars a barrel.
Just because the long term aims of the WEF are for us to own nothing and like it, their words by the way, doesn't stop their members making the most of the market situation to make a few more billions.
For the last couple of years the green reset people have all been saying we should leave the oil in the ground, with no concept of what it really means for society. |
Rising oil and gas prices, and war in Europe are arguments for renewable local energy, not against. | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 08:28 - Mar 11 with 1115 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 06:48 - Mar 11 by Kilkennyjack |
Rising oil and gas prices, and war in Europe are arguments for renewable local energy, not against. |
It also shows the folly of thr green brigade we should be developing our oil and gas resources as well as using the UK's coal reserves to generate electricity instead of Russian gas. | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 11:45 - Mar 11 with 1087 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 08:28 - Mar 11 by felixstowe_jack |
It also shows the folly of thr green brigade we should be developing our oil and gas resources as well as using the UK's coal reserves to generate electricity instead of Russian gas. |
It will still run out dumbo.
Look up the word renewable ….. 😎 | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 11:45 - Mar 11 with 1086 views | Kilkennyjack |
Dreadful by UK govt. | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 11:53 - Mar 11 with 1081 views | controversial_jack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 19:50 - Mar 10 by Catullus |
Putin doesn't want Ukraine's (rich) resources because Russia has enough of it's own and is a basket case financially...seriously?
So if I had 10 billion in gold out my shed and my neighbour had another 5 billion, I wouldn't want his gold even though I have debts of 14 billion? I thought I'd keep it simple for you.
Of course Putin wants Ukraine's resources, he's not doing all this and will then just ignore the wealth on his doorstep.
Putin always gets his way? We'll see. He's not exactly getting his way right now though, his army is making small progress but getting a right hiding in some places and his economy is tanking. A rouble is currently worth less than monopoly money, then there's food shortages and inflation,
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/01/26/russias-food-price-cap-could-lead-to-s |
Russia has some of the world's greatest resources and they can't sell it fast enough. You need investment to exploit resources and the Ukraine is a basket case financially. Empires are expensive to maintain , as this country found out.
The Russian army is gaining ground slowly and will eventually prevail | | | |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 11:57 - Mar 11 with 1076 views | Catullus |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 11:53 - Mar 11 by controversial_jack |
Russia has some of the world's greatest resources and they can't sell it fast enough. You need investment to exploit resources and the Ukraine is a basket case financially. Empires are expensive to maintain , as this country found out.
The Russian army is gaining ground slowly and will eventually prevail |
When there are vast resources and your economy is basket case, are you going to ignore those resources? Russia's vast resources aren't providing enough it seems.
Why do you always back up the Russians? Why do you always sound like you are on their side? | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 11:57 - Mar 11 with 1076 views | Dr_Winston |
We should have gone all in on Nuclear years ago when it was proven to be a safe, reliable technology. The only thing we should need oil for is for petrol. Gas could have been phased out. Everything else could have been electric. As for disposal of waste, there's plenty of remote islands with granite bedrock we could tunnel into for storage.
Until fusion is cracked, nothing else even comes close to meeting our needs. | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 13:00 - Mar 11 with 1044 views | Ebo |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 11:57 - Mar 11 by Dr_Winston |
We should have gone all in on Nuclear years ago when it was proven to be a safe, reliable technology. The only thing we should need oil for is for petrol. Gas could have been phased out. Everything else could have been electric. As for disposal of waste, there's plenty of remote islands with granite bedrock we could tunnel into for storage.
Until fusion is cracked, nothing else even comes close to meeting our needs. |
...and end up with England dumping their toxic, radioactive mud along the shores of Wales, Scotland and Northern England.
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 13:07 - Mar 11 with 1038 views | Dr_Winston |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 13:00 - Mar 11 by Ebo |
...and end up with England dumping their toxic, radioactive mud along the shores of Wales, Scotland and Northern England.
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You do understand what a "National Grid" is do you? You do understand that it's not England's radioactive mud don't you? | |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 13:49 - Mar 11 with 1006 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 11:57 - Mar 11 by Dr_Winston |
We should have gone all in on Nuclear years ago when it was proven to be a safe, reliable technology. The only thing we should need oil for is for petrol. Gas could have been phased out. Everything else could have been electric. As for disposal of waste, there's plenty of remote islands with granite bedrock we could tunnel into for storage.
Until fusion is cracked, nothing else even comes close to meeting our needs. |
There's a time bomb with nuclear waste. Nuclear is fine until something goes wrong, low probability but massive impact.
https://cen.acs.org/environment/pollution/nuclear-waste-pilesscientists-seek-bes |  |
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| Russia invade Ukraine on 14:07 - Mar 11 with 989 views | controversial_jack |
| Russia invade Ukraine on 11:57 - Mar 11 by Catullus |
When there are vast resources and your economy is basket case, are you going to ignore those resources? Russia's vast resources aren't providing enough it seems.
Why do you always back up the Russians? Why do you always sound like you are on their side? |
I'm not on their side, but is Putin any worse than Bush or Blair? I opposed that too | | | |
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