| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 AFTERMATH 16:45 - Sep 12 with 14924 views | NotLoyal |
English Championship
Swansea City v Millwall
Wednesday September 15th 2021
The newly named stadium
Kick off 7.45pm
You can watch via SKY Sports 🔴 Button.
Match Officials : JOHN BUSBY
Steven Meredith and Andrew Fox
Fourth Official : Dean Whitestone
Ooooh, look what I’ve got, referee John Busby doing show and tell at work
Millwall will come bowling in to Swansea with their sights firmly set on Rossi’s chip bar renowned internationally for its chips. In recent times their bowling in to towns has caused a few headaches, on Saturday for example they had a right old do with supporters of WBA. There was lots of dancing, the odd punch and a bloke at one point had a bit of a kip on the floor.
Millwall fans come bowling in to another town yet again. Utter mayhem
The game will be played at he newly named stadium also known as the ‘ Used to be called the Liberty stadium’ in Swansea. A chap called Martin’s Organ is currently in the building and it is expected this week he will have some lovely new signs put up if he gets a few hours off. Which is nice.
Earliest news that’s described as latest news
https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/swanseacity/news/55730/ntcham-chomping-at
https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/swanseacity/news/55756/expectations-are-h
https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/swanseacity/news/55759/rhys-williams-the-
https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/swanseacity/news/55760/ben-hamer-wants-to
Tonight’s game at the newly named stadium kicks off at 7.45pm. Tickets for the game are still available from the stadium or online. You can watch via SKY Sports 🔴 Button. Millwall are expected to bring a small away following of around 120.
Swansea City: Ben Hamer; Ryan Bennett, Kyle Naughton, Ben Cabango; Ethan Laird, Flynn Downes, Matt Grimes (captain), Ryan Manning; Olivier Ntcham, Jamie Paterson; Joel Piroe.
Substitutes: Steven Benda, Jay Fulton, Michael Obafemi, Liam Cullen, Joel Latibeaudiere, Jake Bidwell, Liam Walsh.
Millwall: Bartosz Bialkowski, Murray Wallace, Jake Cooper (captain), Maikel Kieftenbeld, Jed Wallace, Scott Malone, George Saville, Dan Ballard, Billy Mitchell, Mason Bennett, Tom Bradshaw.
Substitutes: George Long, Alex Pearce, Ryan Leonard, Ben Thompson, Connor Mahoney, Matt Smith, Jon Dadi Bodvarsson.
Half Time stats
That’s it folks
https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/swanseacity/news/55762
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| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 GAME ON ! on 21:57 - Sep 16 with 693 views | PatchesOHoulihan |
| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 GAME ON ! on 21:50 - Sep 16 by Dr_Parnassus |
If people make rational points then that’s fine by me whether I agree or not.
When people are making lame excuses then no, it’s not something I give much time to.
“He’s a new manager”… “he’s brought in new players”.
Yeah all new managers are new, all new managers bring in new players. They kind of go hand in hand. |
You’ve never once accepted a rational point unless it aligns with your thoughts. Anything out of sync with you is wrong according to you because you see it differently |  |
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| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 GAME ON ! on 22:01 - Sep 16 with 680 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 GAME ON ! on 21:57 - Sep 16 by PatchesOHoulihan |
You’ve never once accepted a rational point unless it aligns with your thoughts. Anything out of sync with you is wrong according to you because you see it differently |
Can you give me an example?
When I disagree with something I always explain why.
In this case, using an excuse that a new manager is “new”, and the new manager has new players is not a rational excuse as to why we can’t be performing well approaching his 10th game.
All new managers a new. All new managers bring in new players.
People seem to be making the most ridiculous points and then blaming me for disagreeing.
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| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 AFTERMATH on 22:05 - Sep 16 with 681 views | Fireboy2 |
| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 AFTERMATH on 21:47 - Sep 16 by Dr_Parnassus |
That’s because people are using excuses that is no different to what our other previous managers were subjected to. It’s only natural to make the comparison to show it shouldn’t be an issue.
That’s why it’s important to stop using these kinds of excuses. Other managers have overcome it so there isn’t any reason Martin shouldn’t be able to also.
Unless we are of course we are saying that he isn’t as good as other ones we have had so we need to give him a bit more leeway in all departments.
But I would suggest that is quite patronising. I would prefer to think we have a manager in at least on par with the others we have had, meaning we should be treating them the same, not making up excuses for one that didn’t bother others.
In terms of Cooper, he tends to be brought up by those wishing to rubbish our last two years to try and make a case that this season is better. Again that lack of any sense will usually see someone come on and defend last years record equalling season.
If you want to show how great this season is, then use examples from this season, but the problem is that there aren’t very many… hence why the ex manager (who still seems contracted to us) is bizarrely getting slated. [Post edited 16 Sep 2021 21:54]
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🟨 me sideways, I post a genuine and heartfelt plea to everyone to forget what has gone on before and to get behind our new manager and you can't help yourself to have yet another snipe.
You are definitely the most sanctimonious poster on this and any forum I have ever seen.
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| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 AFTERMATH on 22:12 - Sep 16 with 659 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 AFTERMATH on 22:05 - Sep 16 by Fireboy2 |
🟨 me sideways, I post a genuine and heartfelt plea to everyone to forget what has gone on before and to get behind our new manager and you can't help yourself to have yet another snipe.
You are definitely the most sanctimonious poster on this and any forum I have ever seen.
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Nothing to do with sniping.
For example if someone says ''We are already having more shots this season than we are getting under Cooper''.
I know for a fact that is false. Do I join in with the myth and say ''Yeah, how good we are playing at the moment! Such an attacking force now''.
People seem annoyed to be given a dash of reality to their completely inaccurate posts.
''We aren't winning after approaching his 10th game because he is a new manager and has signed new players''.
Am I really supposed to reply and agree to that as opposed to pointing out the obvious?
Can't do it sorry. | |
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| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 AFTERMATH on 22:12 - Sep 16 with 666 views | KeithHaynes |
| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 AFTERMATH on 22:05 - Sep 16 by Fireboy2 |
🟨 me sideways, I post a genuine and heartfelt plea to everyone to forget what has gone on before and to get behind our new manager and you can't help yourself to have yet another snipe.
You are definitely the most sanctimonious poster on this and any forum I have ever seen.
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I can see it now, me, you, Ken and Dr P scrapping over a bottle of vodka in a Nottingham street come April. Wonderful live event on you tube. |  |
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| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 AFTERMATH on 22:20 - Sep 16 with 644 views | Fireboy2 |
| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 AFTERMATH on 22:12 - Sep 16 by KeithHaynes |
I can see it now, me, you, Ken and Dr P scrapping over a bottle of vodka in a Nottingham street come April. Wonderful live event on you tube. |
Alas that won't be me Keith, I can't stand vodka 😉
Plus Dr Quack won't turn up. | | | |
| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 AFTERMATH on 22:23 - Sep 16 with 637 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 AFTERMATH on 22:20 - Sep 16 by Fireboy2 |
Alas that won't be me Keith, I can't stand vodka 😉
Plus Dr Quack won't turn up. |
Would depend if you were planning on paying my air fare, business class.  | |
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| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 TEAMS on 09:02 - Sep 17 with 574 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 TEAMS on 16:52 - Sep 16 by Kilkennyjack |
The Bristol City goal was a month ago.
I never said he should be dropped.
But on reflection you are probably correct.
I am amazed at your Michu comparison.
20 to 30 goals after not managing a shot against an average Millwall.
I hope you are right.
The law of averages says you must be right once i guess….?
But its just a wish, there is no basis of valid judgement or assessment.
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You weren’t at the game then, he had one possibly two saved by the keeper. His shots are more often on target than not and he made the Bristol city goal all by himself. I’d challenge you to find any other striker in the championship who would have scored that goal. He’s a rare talent. We were being dry humped by Stoke, he came on - he scored.
Bristol City may have been a month ago but you seem to forget the fact that we’ve had two weeks off for the international break. Are you blaming him for not scoring when we haven’t been playing??That makes your comment seem almost overtly negative in an Andy Cole style.
By the way Obafemi’s chance he didn’t make for himself - Walsh threaded through a beauty of a pass - he stepped inside well to give himself the shot and I reckon if he hadn’t tried to side foot it he’d have scored (I think his reaction said it all afterwards).
Nice to see you’re learning from your master . Keep up the good work |  |
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| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 AFTERMATH on 09:12 - Sep 17 with 572 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 AFTERMATH on 18:09 - Sep 16 by BillyChong |
Hamer started hoofing it at one point last night which isn’t the Swansea way I remember. I think the problem with the wing backs is how our play limits their space. We pass short balls to them by which point they are outnumbered by defenders and limited to the touchline/byline. |
The wingbacks need front foot ball. Bidwell has been criticized but he’s hardly had a ball to run on to. The last time that happened I think he crossed in the Stoke game and it resulted in a goal.
Walsh may just solve this problem- diagonals in between their full back and centre halves will allow Bidwell and especially Laird to get in behind and cross for the speedy Obafemi and Piroe .
I was a bit downbeat coming out of the stadium however when I looked at the extended highlights I could see a big improvement, especially when Walsh came on. I pray he stays fit - could be a massively creative player this season for us. There’s a lot to be optimistic about, these players aren’t even in their stride yet. Lots of good games to come I’m sure. | |
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| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 AFTERMATH on 09:19 - Sep 17 with 570 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 AFTERMATH on 18:33 - Sep 16 by vetchonian |
The "SWansea Way" was not all about the style of play it was how we as club did things.
Yes it was about playing football but that style changed even under Martinez, his mantra was to play it on the deck out form the back but get the ball forwards quickly,ithe way it was done changed as players like Rangel arrived,Sousa beefed us up defensively then Brendan introduced a more possesion based style and Luadrup reverted to a style more akin to Robertos about getting the ball forwards quickly and with a narrower approach so to say there has been a "defined" Swansea way of playing is legend and myth the "Swansea WAy" referred to how we selected players, our wage structure and that we wanted to play football |
You’re half right - I agree about the general “ethos” - buy cheap good quality players whose personalities fit with the club but Huw stated that he wanted good quality possession based attacking football - which we had under all of our managers Martinez to Laudrup (Sousa didn’t really have the players but he added steel) . After Laudrup we went backwards football wise. Cooper gave a good interview but it seems if he promised the style of football those men gave us Pre Monk then he definitely failed to deliver possession based ATTACKING football.
At least Martin is trying his damndest to do that. Give him a break FFS | |
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| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 GAME ON ! on 09:21 - Sep 17 with 570 views | jackrmee |
| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 GAME ON ! on 18:38 - Sep 16 by vetchonian |
I do understand that MArtin had no preseason and now people say he needs time, it has also been said somewhere in Martins defence we have yet to get the new manager bounce.
SO here is a scenario what happens when a manager is parachuted into a club mid season or whenever following the sacking of the previous manager and they get that bounce straight away no preseason no two weeks of working with the team? |
Just because some managers get the bounce, doesn't mean we should panic if ours doesn't mun.
Same as just because some managers dont need time, as they start off great, doesn't mean we should never give any manager time.
It's just ridiculous to think such things. [Post edited 17 Sep 2021 9:33]
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| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 AFTERMATH on 09:24 - Sep 17 with 568 views | jackrmee |
| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 AFTERMATH on 21:40 - Sep 16 by Fireboy2 |
When anyone comes on and to defend RM someone has to come on to compare him to cooper, whatever he did has gone, long gone, why can't we just get behind RM instead of sniping at each other?
As most of you lot know I live over 250 miles away, me and the eldest can't make many home games and we try our hardest to get to as many aways as possible, when we do go we go to support our team no matter who is in charge, after the pne game we were so frustrated at how poor we were but after hearing RMs explanation we understood why we were so s@#$, I trust this guy and I feel that he's a honest man who is only going to give his best, so let's give the guy a chance please people.
Btw I think we will hammer someone very soon and it could be this saturday COYJB 🦢 |
Well said. | |
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| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 AFTERMATH on 09:26 - Sep 17 with 567 views | jackrmee |
| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 AFTERMATH on 21:47 - Sep 16 by Dr_Parnassus |
That’s because people are using excuses that is no different to what our other previous managers were subjected to. It’s only natural to make the comparison to show it shouldn’t be an issue.
That’s why it’s important to stop using these kinds of excuses. Other managers have overcome it so there isn’t any reason Martin shouldn’t be able to also.
Unless we are of course we are saying that he isn’t as good as other ones we have had so we need to give him a bit more leeway in all departments.
But I would suggest that is quite patronising. I would prefer to think we have a manager in at least on par with the others we have had, meaning we should be treating them the same, not making up excuses for one that didn’t bother others.
In terms of Cooper, he tends to be brought up by those wishing to rubbish our last two years to try and make a case that this season is better. Again that lack of any sense will usually see someone come on and defend last years record equalling season.
If you want to show how great this season is, then use examples from this season, but the problem is that there aren’t very many… hence why the ex manager (who still seems contracted to us) is bizarrely getting slated. [Post edited 16 Sep 2021 21:54]
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We are treating him the same!!!
We would have given the other managers time too.
You are the on e saying that no manager deserves this time, because other managers showed they could get results quicker!
You are an absolute joke. | |
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| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 GAME ON ! on 09:27 - Sep 17 with 563 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 GAME ON ! on 09:21 - Sep 17 by jackrmee |
Just because some managers get the bounce, doesn't mean we should panic if ours doesn't mun.
Same as just because some managers dont need time, as they start off great, doesn't mean we should never give any manager time.
It's just ridiculous to think such things. [Post edited 17 Sep 2021 9:33]
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“Time” for what?
Has anyone suggested we sack him yet?
I think everyone is giving him time and hoping he turns this mess around.
What they aren’t giving him time for however is critiquing performances and results. Rightly so of course, like any other manager he will be judged by what he does, not what he may do. | |
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| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 AFTERMATH on 09:29 - Sep 17 with 562 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 AFTERMATH on 09:26 - Sep 17 by jackrmee |
We are treating him the same!!!
We would have given the other managers time too.
You are the on e saying that no manager deserves this time, because other managers showed they could get results quicker!
You are an absolute joke. |
Where have I said “no manager deserves this time”? What time?
Any quotes?
You can name call all you like, it won’t strengthen your position unfortunately. | |
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| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 GAME ON ! on 09:31 - Sep 17 with 559 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 GAME ON ! on 09:21 - Sep 17 by jackrmee |
Just because some managers get the bounce, doesn't mean we should panic if ours doesn't mun.
Same as just because some managers dont need time, as they start off great, doesn't mean we should never give any manager time.
It's just ridiculous to think such things. [Post edited 17 Sep 2021 9:33]
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Innit. The poor sod has come into the club where the players are unfit, several to bring in, several to ship out. Then Covid - a loss of 4 players and no training ground work.
When a manager comes in mid season the players automatically get a lift - a clean slate for all , a fresh start , fresh ideas and so on. They would already be massively into their fitness groove and already atuned to EACH OTHER.
Asking for a new manager bounce in the circumstances in which he arrived at the club is akin to throwing a ball onto quicksand and expecting a bounce. A very poor paradigm.
Give the man a break!!!! | |
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| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 GAME ON ! on 09:37 - Sep 17 with 544 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 GAME ON ! on 09:31 - Sep 17 by Brynmill_Jack |
Innit. The poor sod has come into the club where the players are unfit, several to bring in, several to ship out. Then Covid - a loss of 4 players and no training ground work.
When a manager comes in mid season the players automatically get a lift - a clean slate for all , a fresh start , fresh ideas and so on. They would already be massively into their fitness groove and already atuned to EACH OTHER.
Asking for a new manager bounce in the circumstances in which he arrived at the club is akin to throwing a ball onto quicksand and expecting a bounce. A very poor paradigm.
Give the man a break!!!! |
Pre season was just three weeks old when he arrived, if he didn’t think the players did sufficient fitness in that three weeks then he has had 7 to fix that since, including a 2 week international break.
It’s a nothing excuse.
Every manager brings in players and ships players out. It’s part and parcel of being a new manager and not unique to this season.
It’s a nothing excuse. | |
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| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 AFTERMATH on 09:37 - Sep 17 with 545 views | jackrmee |
| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 AFTERMATH on 09:29 - Sep 17 by Dr_Parnassus |
Where have I said “no manager deserves this time”? What time?
Any quotes?
You can name call all you like, it won’t strengthen your position unfortunately. |
You have said that the notion that a manager needs time is false, as none of our previous managers have needed time.
This suggests that you don't think Martin deserves time.
You are a bellend.
All these are facts. | |
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| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 GAME ON ! on 09:39 - Sep 17 with 540 views | jackrmee |
| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 GAME ON ! on 09:31 - Sep 17 by Brynmill_Jack |
Innit. The poor sod has come into the club where the players are unfit, several to bring in, several to ship out. Then Covid - a loss of 4 players and no training ground work.
When a manager comes in mid season the players automatically get a lift - a clean slate for all , a fresh start , fresh ideas and so on. They would already be massively into their fitness groove and already atuned to EACH OTHER.
Asking for a new manager bounce in the circumstances in which he arrived at the club is akin to throwing a ball onto quicksand and expecting a bounce. A very poor paradigm.
Give the man a break!!!! |
Exactly.
Bounce means that a team who were underachieving get's a boost from the newmanager.
Bounce doesn't happen with an overachieving team. It's just impossible. | |
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| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 AFTERMATH on 09:41 - Sep 17 with 536 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 AFTERMATH on 09:37 - Sep 17 by jackrmee |
You have said that the notion that a manager needs time is false, as none of our previous managers have needed time.
This suggests that you don't think Martin deserves time.
You are a bellend.
All these are facts. |
In what context? Time for what?
In some instances I have said he deserves time (not get sacked now), in other instances I have said he does not deserve all this time (to be critiqued on performance).
So it depends what context you are talking about before selecting one of my quotes devoid of that context.
Again, get it all off your chest my boy. It won’t be helping your viewpoint though… | |
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| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 GAME ON ! on 09:43 - Sep 17 with 531 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Swansea City v Millwall : Matchday Thread 2020/21 GAME ON ! on 09:39 - Sep 17 by jackrmee |
Exactly.
Bounce means that a team who were underachieving get's a boost from the newmanager.
Bounce doesn't happen with an overachieving team. It's just impossible. |
Well it’s nice of you to finally admit we had a manager capable of overachieving, I agree.
What we have now however is a scenario where we are significantly under achieving.
That’s the issue. | |
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