| A free UK 08:27 - May 10 with 11140 views | felixstowe_jack |
I have started a new thread as the remain thread seems to have locked with no new comments allowed.
Michael Barnier has admitted that Britain could not have achieved is vaccine success if we had remained members of the EU. He added that Britain and America have proved that taking risks can sometimes be worthwhile. |  |
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| A free UK on 15:44 - May 11 with 1666 views | jack_lord |
| A free UK on 08:55 - May 11 by onehunglow |
Boundy.
Do you reckon the climate is colder and wetter north of Clydach.
Being a Gower person,we were told it was. People friendler without question |
It is certainly colder at the top of the Swansea valley. Inhabited by some great people. Indeed I had the pleasure of liiving in three parts of the top of the Swansea valey. My neighbours, all good people (except one) originated from Slough, Bristol, Southampton and Windsor. Some had been there for generations and others had relocated from Pontypridd and Maesteg. In fact, we sold two of the houses to families from Swindon and Somerset. One of the houses is rented out to a really hard working girl who is about to qualify as a nurse and another is rented out to a Scot.
That is just one valley. There are many valleys in Wales and in the UK which is why I'm curious about the term "valley people". |  |
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| A free UK on 15:47 - May 11 with 1674 views | Kilkennyjack |
| A free UK on 22:39 - May 10 by felixstowe_jack |
You don't like the Olympics or British lions then.
The only sports that the four nations compete as separate entities are the ones the British invented, football, cricket and rugby. Plus the commonwealth games which of course you do not approve of. |
Wales should compete in the Olympics as Wales, just like Ireland compete as ... well ... Ireland !
No to Team GB.
Lions seems to work with Ireland, so not sure on your point...?
I would prefer to lose by 5 as Cymru, than win by 5 as Team GB.
Team GB is made up in football terns.
Get in the bin. |  |
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| A free UK on 15:57 - May 11 with 1669 views | Catullus |
| A free UK on 15:47 - May 11 by Kilkennyjack |
Wales should compete in the Olympics as Wales, just like Ireland compete as ... well ... Ireland !
No to Team GB.
Lions seems to work with Ireland, so not sure on your point...?
I would prefer to lose by 5 as Cymru, than win by 5 as Team GB.
Team GB is made up in football terns.
Get in the bin. |
All countries are made up, football itself was invented. What goes on in your head. If we got rid of everything that was man made.....Kilkenny's world eh, or is it only English things you'd get rid of? That''s football and Rugby gone though
Here's a notion you can never get your head around, Wales is a made up country, it didn't exist in any guise before 1056.
The point about the Lions is, it's team GB for Rugby! "British Lions" is kind of a clue. | |
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| A free UK on 19:19 - May 11 with 1648 views | onehunglow |
| A free UK on 15:44 - May 11 by jack_lord |
It is certainly colder at the top of the Swansea valley. Inhabited by some great people. Indeed I had the pleasure of liiving in three parts of the top of the Swansea valey. My neighbours, all good people (except one) originated from Slough, Bristol, Southampton and Windsor. Some had been there for generations and others had relocated from Pontypridd and Maesteg. In fact, we sold two of the houses to families from Swindon and Somerset. One of the houses is rented out to a really hard working girl who is about to qualify as a nurse and another is rented out to a Scot.
That is just one valley. There are many valleys in Wales and in the UK which is why I'm curious about the term "valley people". |
Those who reside in a valley
ie land between two hillsides | |
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| A free UK on 21:30 - May 11 with 1622 views | Catullus |
| A free UK on 15:44 - May 11 by jack_lord |
It is certainly colder at the top of the Swansea valley. Inhabited by some great people. Indeed I had the pleasure of liiving in three parts of the top of the Swansea valey. My neighbours, all good people (except one) originated from Slough, Bristol, Southampton and Windsor. Some had been there for generations and others had relocated from Pontypridd and Maesteg. In fact, we sold two of the houses to families from Swindon and Somerset. One of the houses is rented out to a really hard working girl who is about to qualify as a nurse and another is rented out to a Scot.
That is just one valley. There are many valleys in Wales and in the UK which is why I'm curious about the term "valley people". |
I'm not getting involved in the valley people debate but this point certainly seems to show Trampie's post is not accurate, at best!
Lots of non Welsh people who aren't old and sick. | |
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| A free UK on 21:36 - May 11 with 1615 views | Flashberryjack |
I live in the upper Swansea valley...and I'm a tidy bloke.
There are a few living up here, bit like anywhere else really.
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| A free UK on 21:43 - May 11 with 1606 views | Catullus |
| A free UK on 21:36 - May 11 by Flashberryjack |
I live in the upper Swansea valley...and I'm a tidy bloke.
There are a few living up here, bit like anywhere else really.
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I'm originally from Mumbles, there were plenty of down there.
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| A free UK on 21:45 - May 11 with 1588 views | trampie |
| A free UK on 21:30 - May 11 by Catullus |
I'm not getting involved in the valley people debate but this point certainly seems to show Trampie's post is not accurate, at best!
Lots of non Welsh people who aren't old and sick. |
I've given you the figures, the population of Wales is old. |  |
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| A free UK on 21:52 - May 11 with 1590 views | Kilkennyjack |
| A free UK on 15:57 - May 11 by Catullus |
All countries are made up, football itself was invented. What goes on in your head. If we got rid of everything that was man made.....Kilkenny's world eh, or is it only English things you'd get rid of? That''s football and Rugby gone though
Here's a notion you can never get your head around, Wales is a made up country, it didn't exist in any guise before 1056.
The point about the Lions is, it's team GB for Rugby! "British Lions" is kind of a clue. |
No its not.
A ‘Team GB’ for rugby would not include Ireland.
The British Lions includes Ireland.
Great Britain is the bigger island of the British Isles ,you know - the one Wales is part of.
For completeness, its also the part that is not the island of Ireland.
I am pro-England in the Olympics.
I am sure they would prefer that, as i would for Cymru.
My football point is about tradition.
Wales, Scotland, and Ireland have played for 140 years.
Team GB has never existed, save London 2010.
Get in the bin.
Suggest you buy a book on Roman Britain, the Romans said a lot about the Welsh seeing as you think they apoeared from thin air in 1056.
Your Anglocentric view of other cultures makes you appear rather ignorant. | |
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| A free UK on 21:56 - May 11 with 1581 views | Catullus |
| A free UK on 21:45 - May 11 by trampie |
I've given you the figures, the population of Wales is old. |
What figures did you provide? The ones you wanted to? Where was the link to a factual set of figures? If you have it, put it up. | |
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| A free UK on 22:00 - May 11 with 1560 views | trampie |
| A free UK on 21:56 - May 11 by Catullus |
What figures did you provide? The ones you wanted to? Where was the link to a factual set of figures? If you have it, put it up. |
Wales' Fiscal Future: A path to sustainability ?
There we are bang the above into a search engine. | |
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| A free UK on 22:12 - May 11 with 1562 views | Catullus |
| A free UK on 21:52 - May 11 by Kilkennyjack |
No its not.
A ‘Team GB’ for rugby would not include Ireland.
The British Lions includes Ireland.
Great Britain is the bigger island of the British Isles ,you know - the one Wales is part of.
For completeness, its also the part that is not the island of Ireland.
I am pro-England in the Olympics.
I am sure they would prefer that, as i would for Cymru.
My football point is about tradition.
Wales, Scotland, and Ireland have played for 140 years.
Team GB has never existed, save London 2010.
Get in the bin.
Suggest you buy a book on Roman Britain, the Romans said a lot about the Welsh seeing as you think they apoeared from thin air in 1056.
Your Anglocentric view of other cultures makes you appear rather ignorant. |
Ireland compete as one country in rugby and Northern Ireland is very much on the island of Ireland.
Roman Britain, I suggest you read a bit more because Archaeologists generally agree that the majority of the British Isles were inhabited by Celts before the Roman invasion and the Romans did not distinguish between the Welsh tribes and all of the other British tribes. We were all Celts to them.
Welsh was a word used later on by the Anglo Saxons and it roughly meant "foreigner" or "slave" and it was used to describe all the native peoples of Britain.
When modern books refer to Roman places as being in Wales it is only so people find it easy to understand the geography. Wales did not exist in Roman times. In fact the Romans left in roughly 400AD around 600 years before Wales came to be.
Here you go, a FACTUAL link for you, to help you understand where you are wrong...again.
https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofWales/The-Romans-in-Wales/
Now let me see, who is ignorant.....oh, it's you. Read the link and learn something. | |
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| A free UK on 23:12 - May 11 with 1538 views | jack_lord |
| A free UK on 22:12 - May 11 by Catullus |
Ireland compete as one country in rugby and Northern Ireland is very much on the island of Ireland.
Roman Britain, I suggest you read a bit more because Archaeologists generally agree that the majority of the British Isles were inhabited by Celts before the Roman invasion and the Romans did not distinguish between the Welsh tribes and all of the other British tribes. We were all Celts to them.
Welsh was a word used later on by the Anglo Saxons and it roughly meant "foreigner" or "slave" and it was used to describe all the native peoples of Britain.
When modern books refer to Roman places as being in Wales it is only so people find it easy to understand the geography. Wales did not exist in Roman times. In fact the Romans left in roughly 400AD around 600 years before Wales came to be.
Here you go, a FACTUAL link for you, to help you understand where you are wrong...again.
https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofWales/The-Romans-in-Wales/
Now let me see, who is ignorant.....oh, it's you. Read the link and learn something. |
GB regularly had a team at the early Olympics. The 1908 was made up of entirely English players but I'm not sure of the make up for the rest of the game were GB had a football team at the Olympics. | |
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| A free UK on 07:56 - May 12 with 1474 views | felixstowe_jack |
This is a good news UK thread. I do wish the other people would only post information relevant to this.
There are plenty of other threads to post your views on cells, Anglo saxons Irish etc.
Trade figures for March
UK exports to EU up 8.6%
Imports from EU up.4.5%
UK exports to rest of the world up 9.9%
Imports from rest of the world up 8.4%%
Imports from the rest of the world in quarter 1 have now overtaken Imports from the EU for the first time since records began in 1997. Now both Imports and exports from the UK are higher than imports and exports to the EU .
GDP grew 2.1% in March with lockdown restrictions now easing GDP is predicted to continue to grow. | |
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| A free UK on 08:38 - May 12 with 1451 views | jack_lord |
The UK economy shrank by 1.5% in the first quarter but that is to be expected after the harsh winter lockdown measures. The economy will recover and growth is expected to shoot up. | |
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| A free UK on 08:40 - May 12 with 1454 views | onehunglow |
| A free UK on 08:38 - May 12 by jack_lord |
The UK economy shrank by 1.5% in the first quarter but that is to be expected after the harsh winter lockdown measures. The economy will recover and growth is expected to shoot up. |
And I hope that BOE forecast is articulated in all parts of the UK including south Wales and the North | |
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| A free UK on 09:08 - May 12 with 1444 views | Catullus |
| A free UK on 07:56 - May 12 by felixstowe_jack |
This is a good news UK thread. I do wish the other people would only post information relevant to this.
There are plenty of other threads to post your views on cells, Anglo saxons Irish etc.
Trade figures for March
UK exports to EU up 8.6%
Imports from EU up.4.5%
UK exports to rest of the world up 9.9%
Imports from rest of the world up 8.4%%
Imports from the rest of the world in quarter 1 have now overtaken Imports from the EU for the first time since records began in 1997. Now both Imports and exports from the UK are higher than imports and exports to the EU .
GDP grew 2.1% in March with lockdown restrictions now easing GDP is predicted to continue to grow. |
Yeah sorry Felix, Kilky likes to derail tjhreads with bad stuff but when it's lies I just HAVE to correct it. Dog with bone  | |
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| A free UK on 09:34 - May 12 with 1429 views | onehunglow |
| A free UK on 09:08 - May 12 by Catullus |
Yeah sorry Felix, Kilky likes to derail tjhreads with bad stuff but when it's lies I just HAVE to correct it. Dog with bone |
Ive had to change my pants.
Wales competing in the Olympics as an independent country whose only joy would be seeing the English lose at something.
It's like south Wales before electricity and running water | |
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| A free UK on 09:43 - May 12 with 1428 views | Catullus |
| A free UK on 22:00 - May 11 by trampie |
Wales' Fiscal Future: A path to sustainability ?
There we are bang the above into a search engine. |
When you make a claim it should be you thatposts the evidence to back it up. What is the problem with that...do you not know how to post a link?
Anyway, I put that into a search engine and,
Wales has a larger share of its population over-65 (20.6%) than the UK average, a smaller share of its
population aged 25—64 (50.2%) and a smaller under-16 cohort. Wales has proportionately more people
in the age groups requiring the highest spending levels and fewer people in the age groups contributing
the most in tax. However, this is only a partial explanation for Wales’ deficit. If the age distribution
mirrored the UK, public spending would be reduced by over £1 billion and tax revenues would increase
by nearly £500 million.
In 2018, only 6.1% of Wales’ population was born outside of the UK, a significantly smaller share than the
UK average of 14.3% (or 10.7% if excluding London). Wales’ working age population (16—64) is expected
to fall by 2.6% by 2030 (assuming some inward migration). This will fall at a much faster rate if there is a
decline in inward migration levels, as is likely given the recent proposals for immigration reform after
Brexit.
Meanwhile, the over-65 population in Wales will continue to grow. An ageing population will increase
state pension spending and other age-related benefits and increase demand for health and social care.
This is particularly concerning for Wales in the context of a declining working-age population and the
associated risk to the tax base.
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So ok, the population demographic means more health and social care but we have to take into account something else. Why is the population ageing? It's not just about old people moving here, it's about young people leaving and why does that happen? Maybe because young, ambitious people see no future in Wales. They see no jobs, no investment in most of Wales and so no hope, they do see hope in England though so they move there. Until this is dealth with Wales will continue to turn into a retirement home in which case it makes independence a really worthless ambition. How do we pay for all that healthcare when the retirees cost so much more than the wealth the tax payers create?
What that report doesn't show is the situation in England, what is the demographic there, what is the percentage of age groups. I have looked and I can't find anything about the English figures but I did find this,
https://www.mha.org.uk/get-involved/policy-influencing/facts-stats/
It shows that an ageing population is a problem across the UK, 23% in the Uk are over 60, it also shows that 46% of 55-74 year olds volunteer so maybe those older people in Wales give back just as much as they take. Most of the volunteers I see at the hospitals are older. | |
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| A free UK on 09:56 - May 12 with 1426 views | onehunglow |
Anglocentric.
Is that even a word.
Be frank Killy. What's happened. Who was it? | |
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| A free UK on 09:58 - May 12 with 1420 views | jack_lord |
| A free UK on 09:43 - May 12 by Catullus |
When you make a claim it should be you thatposts the evidence to back it up. What is the problem with that...do you not know how to post a link?
Anyway, I put that into a search engine and,
Wales has a larger share of its population over-65 (20.6%) than the UK average, a smaller share of its
population aged 25—64 (50.2%) and a smaller under-16 cohort. Wales has proportionately more people
in the age groups requiring the highest spending levels and fewer people in the age groups contributing
the most in tax. However, this is only a partial explanation for Wales’ deficit. If the age distribution
mirrored the UK, public spending would be reduced by over £1 billion and tax revenues would increase
by nearly £500 million.
In 2018, only 6.1% of Wales’ population was born outside of the UK, a significantly smaller share than the
UK average of 14.3% (or 10.7% if excluding London). Wales’ working age population (16—64) is expected
to fall by 2.6% by 2030 (assuming some inward migration). This will fall at a much faster rate if there is a
decline in inward migration levels, as is likely given the recent proposals for immigration reform after
Brexit.
Meanwhile, the over-65 population in Wales will continue to grow. An ageing population will increase
state pension spending and other age-related benefits and increase demand for health and social care.
This is particularly concerning for Wales in the context of a declining working-age population and the
associated risk to the tax base.
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So ok, the population demographic means more health and social care but we have to take into account something else. Why is the population ageing? It's not just about old people moving here, it's about young people leaving and why does that happen? Maybe because young, ambitious people see no future in Wales. They see no jobs, no investment in most of Wales and so no hope, they do see hope in England though so they move there. Until this is dealth with Wales will continue to turn into a retirement home in which case it makes independence a really worthless ambition. How do we pay for all that healthcare when the retirees cost so much more than the wealth the tax payers create?
What that report doesn't show is the situation in England, what is the demographic there, what is the percentage of age groups. I have looked and I can't find anything about the English figures but I did find this,
https://www.mha.org.uk/get-involved/policy-influencing/facts-stats/
It shows that an ageing population is a problem across the UK, 23% in the Uk are over 60, it also shows that 46% of 55-74 year olds volunteer so maybe those older people in Wales give back just as much as they take. Most of the volunteers I see at the hospitals are older. |
That is great information and also the figures help give an understanding of the complexities of funding health care, amonsgt other sectors, are in the regions of the UK.
There are figures that highlight Northern Ireland had the highest net fiscal deficit per head, at £4,978, in 2018-2019. Wales fared poorly at £4,289 with Scotland at £2,713 and England at £68. London, however, was one of three regions to record a surplus, at £4,369 per person. I suppose you could argue that other regions in England must have figures not dissimilar to Northern Ireland and Wales when you take the London effect away. Indeed, if London was in Wales it would look very different but it is not and that is part of the reason we can argue all day long about these figures. | |
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| A free UK on 10:13 - May 12 with 1418 views | 9MilesHigh |
What a pathetic thread.
Well done to Keith in FINALLY killing that other pathetic thread on Brexit
There's a few on here who's only reason to be alive these days is the feeling that they're winning at politics.
And there's one guy who's completely humiliated himself and all because his English Mrs was too posh for him so he changed his accent and bought a thesaurus to fit in with the Scouse Bridge Club.
All very sad. |  | | |
| A free UK on 11:02 - May 12 with 1383 views | trampie |
| A free UK on 09:43 - May 12 by Catullus |
When you make a claim it should be you thatposts the evidence to back it up. What is the problem with that...do you not know how to post a link?
Anyway, I put that into a search engine and,
Wales has a larger share of its population over-65 (20.6%) than the UK average, a smaller share of its
population aged 25—64 (50.2%) and a smaller under-16 cohort. Wales has proportionately more people
in the age groups requiring the highest spending levels and fewer people in the age groups contributing
the most in tax. However, this is only a partial explanation for Wales’ deficit. If the age distribution
mirrored the UK, public spending would be reduced by over £1 billion and tax revenues would increase
by nearly £500 million.
In 2018, only 6.1% of Wales’ population was born outside of the UK, a significantly smaller share than the
UK average of 14.3% (or 10.7% if excluding London). Wales’ working age population (16—64) is expected
to fall by 2.6% by 2030 (assuming some inward migration). This will fall at a much faster rate if there is a
decline in inward migration levels, as is likely given the recent proposals for immigration reform after
Brexit.
Meanwhile, the over-65 population in Wales will continue to grow. An ageing population will increase
state pension spending and other age-related benefits and increase demand for health and social care.
This is particularly concerning for Wales in the context of a declining working-age population and the
associated risk to the tax base.
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So ok, the population demographic means more health and social care but we have to take into account something else. Why is the population ageing? It's not just about old people moving here, it's about young people leaving and why does that happen? Maybe because young, ambitious people see no future in Wales. They see no jobs, no investment in most of Wales and so no hope, they do see hope in England though so they move there. Until this is dealth with Wales will continue to turn into a retirement home in which case it makes independence a really worthless ambition. How do we pay for all that healthcare when the retirees cost so much more than the wealth the tax payers create?
What that report doesn't show is the situation in England, what is the demographic there, what is the percentage of age groups. I have looked and I can't find anything about the English figures but I did find this,
https://www.mha.org.uk/get-involved/policy-influencing/facts-stats/
It shows that an ageing population is a problem across the UK, 23% in the Uk are over 60, it also shows that 46% of 55-74 year olds volunteer so maybe those older people in Wales give back just as much as they take. Most of the volunteers I see at the hospitals are older. |
The population in Wales is old, I've given you the figures told you where to look yet you won't accept it, the English are coming here in numbers and they tend to be old, we are currently part of the UK state and central Government need to pay for it as it costs a lot to look after old people particularly in more rural areas. [Post edited 12 May 2021 11:04]
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| A free UK on 11:33 - May 12 with 1352 views | Catullus |
| A free UK on 11:02 - May 12 by trampie |
The population in Wales is old, I've given you the figures told you where to look yet you won't accept it, the English are coming here in numbers and they tend to be old, we are currently part of the UK state and central Government need to pay for it as it costs a lot to look after old people particularly in more rural areas. [Post edited 12 May 2021 11:04]
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The population in Wales is older on average BUT you claim that most of the English coming here are old and create a bigger problem. There's nothing in those figures to prove that. It only gives the percentage of Welsh residents over 65, not their place of birth.
And again, there are Weslh people living elsewhere who will also need the NHS. If those Welsh people are younger they are more likley to be claiming benefits and having kids, should Wals pay the maternity bills for the Welsh in England?
It's pathetic really. Wales is subsidised by over 12 billion per year. If we stopped the elderly English coming here, maybe you hadn't though about this but it touches on it in the report, if we had fewer old people needing health and social care, it would see a reduction in Welsh funding by up to ONE BILLION quid. SO Tramps, WEstminster already pays.
Get over it, it's just more anti English bias from a person who claims not to be biased  | |
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| A free UK on 11:36 - May 12 with 1349 views | onehunglow |
| A free UK on 11:33 - May 12 by Catullus |
The population in Wales is older on average BUT you claim that most of the English coming here are old and create a bigger problem. There's nothing in those figures to prove that. It only gives the percentage of Welsh residents over 65, not their place of birth.
And again, there are Weslh people living elsewhere who will also need the NHS. If those Welsh people are younger they are more likley to be claiming benefits and having kids, should Wals pay the maternity bills for the Welsh in England?
It's pathetic really. Wales is subsidised by over 12 billion per year. If we stopped the elderly English coming here, maybe you hadn't though about this but it touches on it in the report, if we had fewer old people needing health and social care, it would see a reduction in Welsh funding by up to ONE BILLION quid. SO Tramps, WEstminster already pays.
Get over it, it's just more anti English bias from a person who claims not to be biased |
If these were comments pertaining to an African /Caribbean country ,we wouldnt be discussing this now | |
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