| Corbyn suspended on 13:33 - Oct 29 with 5303 views | foreverhopefulDale |
Suspended for expressing a view, that has no racism in it. |  |
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| Corbyn suspended on 13:34 - Oct 29 with 5300 views | SuddenLad |
5 years too late. |  |
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| Corbyn suspended on 13:36 - Oct 29 with 5287 views | Dalenet |
He can now have dinner with Ken Livingston. Socially distanced of course
Incompetent man that ensured there was no opposition to the Tories throughout his leadership. |  | | |
| Corbyn suspended on 13:46 - Oct 29 with 5260 views | foreverhopefulDale |
So Labour have suspended him for the crime of defending his time in charge, and challenging the findings of the report. | |
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| Corbyn suspended on 14:34 - Oct 29 with 5164 views | TipperaryDale |
Suspended specifically because in his statement after the EHRC report, he said anti-semitism was overstated to hurt Labour politically - this gives licence for him and his supporters to deny the both the overt and subverted prejudices they have as political lies - to let him get away with it would continue to let the anti-semitic tropes continue. |  | | |
| Corbyn suspended on 15:05 - Oct 29 with 5102 views | tony_roch975 |
| Corbyn suspended on 14:34 - Oct 29 by TipperaryDale |
Suspended specifically because in his statement after the EHRC report, he said anti-semitism was overstated to hurt Labour politically - this gives licence for him and his supporters to deny the both the overt and subverted prejudices they have as political lies - to let him get away with it would continue to let the anti-semitic tropes continue. |
Yes, for not responding as Starmer deemed appropriate. From his statement - "Anyone claiming there is no antisemitism in the Labour Party is wrong. Of course there is, as there is throughout society, and sometimes it is voiced by people who think of themselves as on the left. Jewish members of our party and the wider community were right to expect us to deal with it, and I regret that it took longer to deliver that change than it should. One antisemite is one too many, but the scale of the problem was also dramatically overstated for political reasons by our opponents inside and outside the party, as well as by much of the media. That combination hurt Jewish people and must never be repeated. My sincere hope is that relations with Jewish communities can be rebuilt and those fears overcome. While I do not accept all of its findings, I trust its recommendations will be swiftly implemented to help move on from this period.”
No idea about his supporters but can't see any denial by Corbyn of anti-semitism in the Labour Party there. | |
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| Corbyn suspended on 15:45 - Oct 29 with 5046 views | D_Alien |
| Corbyn suspended on 15:05 - Oct 29 by tony_roch975 |
Yes, for not responding as Starmer deemed appropriate. From his statement - "Anyone claiming there is no antisemitism in the Labour Party is wrong. Of course there is, as there is throughout society, and sometimes it is voiced by people who think of themselves as on the left. Jewish members of our party and the wider community were right to expect us to deal with it, and I regret that it took longer to deliver that change than it should. One antisemite is one too many, but the scale of the problem was also dramatically overstated for political reasons by our opponents inside and outside the party, as well as by much of the media. That combination hurt Jewish people and must never be repeated. My sincere hope is that relations with Jewish communities can be rebuilt and those fears overcome. While I do not accept all of its findings, I trust its recommendations will be swiftly implemented to help move on from this period.”
No idea about his supporters but can't see any denial by Corbyn of anti-semitism in the Labour Party there. |
It's not denial of anti-semitism in the Labour Party he's been suspended for though, is it
It's his failure to deal with this hate crime, including some very serious examples against his own MPs (especially female ones) whilst leader. Much of the suppression of investigations came from within his office, i.e. his personal staff
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/16/louise-ellman-quits-labour-part
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| Corbyn suspended on 16:04 - Oct 29 with 4992 views | SuddenLad |
| Corbyn suspended on 15:05 - Oct 29 by tony_roch975 |
Yes, for not responding as Starmer deemed appropriate. From his statement - "Anyone claiming there is no antisemitism in the Labour Party is wrong. Of course there is, as there is throughout society, and sometimes it is voiced by people who think of themselves as on the left. Jewish members of our party and the wider community were right to expect us to deal with it, and I regret that it took longer to deliver that change than it should. One antisemite is one too many, but the scale of the problem was also dramatically overstated for political reasons by our opponents inside and outside the party, as well as by much of the media. That combination hurt Jewish people and must never be repeated. My sincere hope is that relations with Jewish communities can be rebuilt and those fears overcome. While I do not accept all of its findings, I trust its recommendations will be swiftly implemented to help move on from this period.”
No idea about his supporters but can't see any denial by Corbyn of anti-semitism in the Labour Party there. |
What did Starmer deem 'appropriate' as a response? From what I can glean, Corbyn is judged to have been negligent and 'less than robust' in dealing with complaints relating to anti-semitism, whilst leader of the party.
There are reportedly over 50 complaints pending against Corbyn himself in relation to the same matters and his apathetic response.
This sort of criticism will create a schism in the Labour party as people align themselves more clearly with the different factions within it.
Starmer needs a strong stomach to deal with what's ahead. | |
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| Corbyn suspended on 16:06 - Oct 29 with 4986 views | tony_roch975 |
| Corbyn suspended on 15:45 - Oct 29 by D_Alien |
It's not denial of anti-semitism in the Labour Party he's been suspended for though, is it
It's his failure to deal with this hate crime, including some very serious examples against his own MPs (especially female ones) whilst leader. Much of the suppression of investigations came from within his office, i.e. his personal staff
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/16/louise-ellman-quits-labour-part
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Actually Starmer's office has so far not stated the rule Corbyn is supposed to have broken but the Party statement includes "In light of his comments made today and his failure to retract them subsequently" as the justification - so all about Corbyn's statement not any issue in the report or any failure to deal with anything. No doubt Corbyn's close circle fought to protect him against a hail of opposition from the media & others in the PLP in many unsavoury ways, including trying to suppress opposition, but the problem with your citation is that Ellman et al were always politically opposed to Corbyn so can't be deemed impartial - it's very hard to find a supporter of Corbyn's politics who also condemns him as anti-semitic. | |
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| Corbyn suspended on 16:09 - Oct 29 with 4976 views | D_Alien |
| Corbyn suspended on 16:06 - Oct 29 by tony_roch975 |
Actually Starmer's office has so far not stated the rule Corbyn is supposed to have broken but the Party statement includes "In light of his comments made today and his failure to retract them subsequently" as the justification - so all about Corbyn's statement not any issue in the report or any failure to deal with anything. No doubt Corbyn's close circle fought to protect him against a hail of opposition from the media & others in the PLP in many unsavoury ways, including trying to suppress opposition, but the problem with your citation is that Ellman et al were always politically opposed to Corbyn so can't be deemed impartial - it's very hard to find a supporter of Corbyn's politics who also condemns him as anti-semitic. |
Citing Ellman's rationale as simply being anti-Corbyn rather than anti-racist is quite frankly shameful
The whole business is indefensible, but it's instructive to see who's attempting to do so | |
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| Corbyn suspended on 16:28 - Oct 29 with 4926 views | tony_roch975 |
| Corbyn suspended on 16:04 - Oct 29 by SuddenLad |
What did Starmer deem 'appropriate' as a response? From what I can glean, Corbyn is judged to have been negligent and 'less than robust' in dealing with complaints relating to anti-semitism, whilst leader of the party.
There are reportedly over 50 complaints pending against Corbyn himself in relation to the same matters and his apathetic response.
This sort of criticism will create a schism in the Labour party as people align themselves more clearly with the different factions within it.
Starmer needs a strong stomach to deal with what's ahead. |
Possibly, 'yes I am anti-semitic, it was all my fault and I resign from the Labour Party'? He may have been negligent or insufficiently robust but that's not why he's been suspended. Agree about the schism, is that what Starmer wants to demonstrate his 'new management'? The Labour Party throughout its history has been split between socialism and social democracy and has never fully supported socialist policies so there's a strong argument for socialists like Corbyn not being in it. | |
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| Corbyn suspended on 16:40 - Oct 29 with 4886 views | SuddenLad |
There are as many in the party who despise Starmer as there were who despised Corbyn, but for entirely different reasons.
There is very little chance of any unity, whilst Momentum have such a strong presence and people like Len McCluskey are dictating what goes on.
Unless the party rids itself of the extremists it will continue to wither away as a credible entity. | |
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| Corbyn suspended on 16:41 - Oct 29 with 4886 views | tony_roch975 |
| Corbyn suspended on 16:09 - Oct 29 by D_Alien |
Citing Ellman's rationale as simply being anti-Corbyn rather than anti-racist is quite frankly shameful
The whole business is indefensible, but it's instructive to see who's attempting to do so |
It is instructive seeing who's attempting to do so-
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We are appalled that Jeremy Corbyn has been suspended from the Labour Party and the whip withdrawn. He has a proud record of fighting all forms of racism and antisemitism. This is an attack both on Jeremy and on the majority of party members. Do not leave, organise, fight back | |
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| Corbyn suspended on 17:19 - Oct 29 with 4825 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Corbyn suspended on 15:45 - Oct 29 by D_Alien |
It's not denial of anti-semitism in the Labour Party he's been suspended for though, is it
It's his failure to deal with this hate crime, including some very serious examples against his own MPs (especially female ones) whilst leader. Much of the suppression of investigations came from within his office, i.e. his personal staff
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/16/louise-ellman-quits-labour-part
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It is his response to the report that has led to his suspension, so your assertion is factually incorrect |  |
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| Corbyn suspended on 17:21 - Oct 29 with 4816 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Corbyn suspended on 16:40 - Oct 29 by SuddenLad |
There are as many in the party who despise Starmer as there were who despised Corbyn, but for entirely different reasons.
There is very little chance of any unity, whilst Momentum have such a strong presence and people like Len McCluskey are dictating what goes on.
Unless the party rids itself of the extremists it will continue to wither away as a credible entity. |
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| Corbyn suspended on 17:34 - Oct 29 with 4785 views | rochdaleriddler |
Knee jerking | |
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| Corbyn suspended on 17:50 - Oct 29 with 4759 views | SuddenLad |
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| Corbyn suspended on 17:50 - Oct 29 with 4758 views | D_Alien |
| Corbyn suspended on 17:19 - Oct 29 by rochdaleriddler |
It is his response to the report that has led to his suspension, so your assertion is factually incorrect |
That's all that matters then, isn't it | |
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| Corbyn suspended on 18:42 - Oct 29 with 4667 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Corbyn suspended on 17:50 - Oct 29 by D_Alien |
That's all that matters then, isn't it |
In terms of accuracy yes | |
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| Corbyn suspended on 18:50 - Oct 29 with 4652 views | D_Alien |
| Corbyn suspended on 18:42 - Oct 29 by rochdaleriddler |
In terms of accuracy yes |
In terms of accuracy, you've deemed the disgust with which most people have reacted to this report as "knee jerking"
As stated earlier, those seeking to defend the indefensible - either directly or by seeking to diminish the responses of others - is instructive. I needn't say anything really, simply let those twisting on their moral compass do their work | |
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| Corbyn suspended on 18:51 - Oct 29 with 4646 views | rochdaleriddler |
It is amusing to see Tories on here getting off on this, didn’t see such moral rectitude when Baroness Warsi was complaining about racism in the Tory party. Boris promised an investigation, which has been kicked into the long grass. | |
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| Corbyn suspended on 18:54 - Oct 29 with 4635 views | D_Alien |
| Corbyn suspended on 18:51 - Oct 29 by rochdaleriddler |
It is amusing to see Tories on here getting off on this, didn’t see such moral rectitude when Baroness Warsi was complaining about racism in the Tory party. Boris promised an investigation, which has been kicked into the long grass. |
Actually, there's nothing remotely amusing about any of this
Trying to divert attention away from the issue in this thread isn't going to work | |
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| Corbyn suspended on 18:57 - Oct 29 with 4621 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Corbyn suspended on 18:50 - Oct 29 by D_Alien |
In terms of accuracy, you've deemed the disgust with which most people have reacted to this report as "knee jerking"
As stated earlier, those seeking to defend the indefensible - either directly or by seeking to diminish the responses of others - is instructive. I needn't say anything really, simply let those twisting on their moral compass do their work |
Oh spare me the faux outrage , you support someone who openly uses phrases such as piccaninnies with watermelon smiles, and tank topped bum boys. Jeremy Corbyn is not a racist or anti Semite . Old shagger Johnson isn’t fit to shine his shoes | |
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| Corbyn suspended on 18:58 - Oct 29 with 4615 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Corbyn suspended on 18:54 - Oct 29 by D_Alien |
Actually, there's nothing remotely amusing about any of this
Trying to divert attention away from the issue in this thread isn't going to work |
Hypocrisy in action | |
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| Corbyn suspended on 19:21 - Oct 29 with 4585 views | rochdaleriddler |
Corbyn’s response
I will strongly contest the political intervention to suspend me. I’ve made absolutely clear that those who deny there has been an antisemitism problem in the Labour Party are wrong.
It’s also undeniable that a false impression has been created of the number of members accused of antisemitism, as polling shows: that is what has been overstated, not the seriousness of the problem.
I will continue to support a zero tolerance policy towards all forms of racism. And I urge all members to stay calm and focused - while this problem is resolved amicably, as I believe it will be - to defeat this awful government, which is further impoverishing the poorest in our society. | |
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