| Wigan into administration 12:37 - Jul 1 with 28575 views | BrianWilliamsBeard |
I presume that will be minus 12 points. |  | | |  |
| Wigan into administration on 22:06 - Jul 8 with 2236 views | BucksRanger |
| Wigan into administration on 21:51 - Jul 8 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Causing community assets (such as Football Clubs) to go into administration should be a crime with a custodian sentence. |
How on earth does that sit with your previously espoused view that drug dealers shouldn't get a custodial sentence? |  | | |
| Wigan into administration on 22:51 - Jul 8 with 2201 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Wigan into administration on 22:06 - Jul 8 by BucksRanger |
How on earth does that sit with your previously espoused view that drug dealers shouldn't get a custodial sentence? |
When did I say that? And what’s that got to do with anything? |  | | |
| Wigan into administration on 23:25 - Jul 8 with 2151 views | BucksRanger |
| Wigan into administration on 22:51 - Jul 8 by BazzaInTheLoft |
When did I say that? And what’s that got to do with anything? |
That is my recollection of your point of view when we first debated the drugs problem in the UK. I was all for stronger jail sentences for dealers and medical treatment for users. You agreed on the treatment for users (Portugal being the example you chose) and wanted non-custodial sentences involving re-education for drug dealers. I got the impression that you believed they could actually be re-educated away from the drugs trade and given jobs in society instead.
With your desire for custodial sentencing for football owners that place clubs into administration, I wanted to see how you could argue that view against your leniency for drug dealing scum who kill and maim in the pursuit of illegal profits.
That's what it's got to do with anything and everything.
Sometimes I think you just want to, in the words of Robbie Robertson, 'Hang the rich'. | | | |
| Wigan into administration on 23:29 - Jul 8 with 2156 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Wigan into administration on 23:25 - Jul 8 by BucksRanger |
That is my recollection of your point of view when we first debated the drugs problem in the UK. I was all for stronger jail sentences for dealers and medical treatment for users. You agreed on the treatment for users (Portugal being the example you chose) and wanted non-custodial sentences involving re-education for drug dealers. I got the impression that you believed they could actually be re-educated away from the drugs trade and given jobs in society instead.
With your desire for custodial sentencing for football owners that place clubs into administration, I wanted to see how you could argue that view against your leniency for drug dealing scum who kill and maim in the pursuit of illegal profits.
That's what it's got to do with anything and everything.
Sometimes I think you just want to, in the words of Robbie Robertson, 'Hang the rich'. |
Your recollection is wrong. It’s all on here in writing if you want to check. | | | |
| Wigan into administration on 23:35 - Jul 8 with 2138 views | BucksRanger |
| Wigan into administration on 23:29 - Jul 8 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Your recollection is wrong. It’s all on here in writing if you want to check. |
I wouldn't have a clue where to look for the original posts and, besides, I believe you have history in modifying what you originally said.
Glad to hear that you are now tougher on drug dealing scum (apparently). | | | |
| Wigan into administration on 23:35 - Jul 8 with 2146 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Wigan into administration on 23:35 - Jul 8 by BucksRanger |
I wouldn't have a clue where to look for the original posts and, besides, I believe you have history in modifying what you originally said.
Glad to hear that you are now tougher on drug dealing scum (apparently). |
I didn’t say that either. | | | |
| Wigan into administration on 23:46 - Jul 8 with 2117 views | BucksRanger |
| Wigan into administration on 23:35 - Jul 8 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I didn’t say that either. |
So let me get this straight, you are not tougher now than you were on drug dealers when we first discussed this, therefore you don't want them sentenced to jail terms and yet you disagree that you once told me that they should be re-educated away from drugs and placed into jobs within main stream society.
I must have that all wrong. I guess you seem to just want them ignored by the law and let them carry on regardless... unless you think they should be shot on the spot. I think I would have remembered that. | | | |
| Wigan into administration on 23:51 - Jul 8 with 2111 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Wigan into administration on 23:46 - Jul 8 by BucksRanger |
So let me get this straight, you are not tougher now than you were on drug dealers when we first discussed this, therefore you don't want them sentenced to jail terms and yet you disagree that you once told me that they should be re-educated away from drugs and placed into jobs within main stream society.
I must have that all wrong. I guess you seem to just want them ignored by the law and let them carry on regardless... unless you think they should be shot on the spot. I think I would have remembered that. |
What has any of this got to do with Wigan? And yes you do have it all wrong.
Maybe we should discuss this on another thread, or even better just move on. [Post edited 9 Jul 2020 0:05]
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| Wigan into administration on 00:12 - Jul 9 with 2062 views | BucksRanger |
| Wigan into administration on 21:51 - Jul 8 by BazzaInTheLoft |
Causing community assets (such as Football Clubs) to go into administration should be a crime with a custodian sentence. |
You said that anyone causing a community asset to go into administration was worthy of getting a jail sentence. And I recall that you once didn't think the same about drug dealers. They needed compassion and re-education you told me, though now you appear to think I'm making this up. It was the first time I ever bothered to spell out in length my reasons for believing your viewpoint was rollocks.
It appears that losing Wigan football club to deceitful ways of dodgy business men is a bigger crime in your eyes than that of low life scum selling drugs to addicts. As a father who has, on 3 occasions, had to get his son's drug enslaved body revived by medics, I just wondered how in hell you could balance your belief system.
I have come to the conclusion that you'd rather see a rich man in jail for putting a business into administration than you would for violent drug dealers who are happy to kill people for profit. Perhaps you view these dealers as socialists and therefore worthy of a more lenient sentence. [Post edited 9 Jul 2020 0:14]
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| Wigan into administration on 00:37 - Jul 9 with 2027 views | PunteR |
| Wigan into administration on 00:12 - Jul 9 by BucksRanger |
You said that anyone causing a community asset to go into administration was worthy of getting a jail sentence. And I recall that you once didn't think the same about drug dealers. They needed compassion and re-education you told me, though now you appear to think I'm making this up. It was the first time I ever bothered to spell out in length my reasons for believing your viewpoint was rollocks.
It appears that losing Wigan football club to deceitful ways of dodgy business men is a bigger crime in your eyes than that of low life scum selling drugs to addicts. As a father who has, on 3 occasions, had to get his son's drug enslaved body revived by medics, I just wondered how in hell you could balance your belief system.
I have come to the conclusion that you'd rather see a rich man in jail for putting a business into administration than you would for violent drug dealers who are happy to kill people for profit. Perhaps you view these dealers as socialists and therefore worthy of a more lenient sentence. [Post edited 9 Jul 2020 0:14]
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Bucks mate , Bazza is a semi pro politician. I wouldnt bother. |  |
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| Wigan into administration on 00:43 - Jul 9 with 2021 views | BucksRanger |
| Wigan into administration on 00:37 - Jul 9 by PunteR |
Bucks mate , Bazza is a semi pro politician. I wouldnt bother. |
I know you're right Punter but he sure knows how to get under my skin. | | | |
| Wigan into administration on 10:23 - Jul 9 with 1901 views | TheChef |
| Wigan into administration on 00:43 - Jul 9 by BucksRanger |
I know you're right Punter but he sure knows how to get under my skin. |
That's great - perhaps you'd like to start a separate thread on it. Rather than in a thread about Wigan and administration. |  |
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| Wigan into administration on 10:43 - Jul 9 with 1872 views | Mistication92 |
| Wigan into administration on 12:33 - Jul 8 by R_from_afar |
I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one.
The one for all maximum playing budget I referred to does not need to be so large as to be potentially ruinous for clubs.
Larger clubs already benefit from higher awareness and greater media interest and are also generally more attractive to prospective players. Their bigger income also gives more scope to promote their club.
If they are then allowed to spend more on players than their smaller rivals too, they are being given a huge advantage over them, in my humble opinion. Not that there is any chance of the football authorities giving two hoots about what we all think.... |
If there is a small cap then where would the money go if not to the players? It would just be to rich owners? It's not a great choice but given the choice between excessive money going to owners or players I'd rather it be the players, at least they've worked hard for it.
In a utopian system, every club would be owned by the fans, so that there would be a wage cap like you suggest and profits reinvested in the community, but sadly we don't live in that world. | | | |
| Wigan into administration on 10:48 - Jul 9 with 1854 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Wigan into administration on 10:43 - Jul 9 by Mistication92 |
If there is a small cap then where would the money go if not to the players? It would just be to rich owners? It's not a great choice but given the choice between excessive money going to owners or players I'd rather it be the players, at least they've worked hard for it.
In a utopian system, every club would be owned by the fans, so that there would be a wage cap like you suggest and profits reinvested in the community, but sadly we don't live in that world. |
This.
Fan scrutiny and governance in almost any form or measure would have helped avoid the plight Wigan are in.
Other than the well meaning but toothless FSA there is no power base for supporters in this country despite supporters being the financial engines of the football industry. [Post edited 9 Jul 2020 11:05]
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| Wigan into administration on 11:29 - Jul 9 with 1813 views | EastR |
I posted this under Clive's match preview probably more relevant here:
Very good article Clive which highlights (again) the scandalous practices that are allowed to continue unchecked.
The governing body is itself not fit for purpose.
Your report highlights that "International Entertainment and Next Leader are both being represented by the same UK lawyers", a situation which again is a common denominator in facilitating these types of sham transactions. Providers of these types of professional services are the enablers who legitimize these types of deals. They too need to be held accountable for their actions. | |
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| Wigan into administration on 11:34 - Jul 9 with 1803 views | danehoop |
Appears that Parry is trying to get ahead of the new story and get his defence out early (doing an Andrew) via a BBC interview:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53341269
All everyone else's fault apparently. |  |
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| Wigan into administration on 11:36 - Jul 9 with 1796 views | Lblock |
Tangents For Words again above I see!!!!
All I'd like to say about Wigan is 4 things:-
1. That was a great display of how to play for the shirt, the badge and prove you are a committed PROFESSIONAL footballer last night.
2. The manager was bang on the money, is passionate, makes changes to effect the game and knows his tactics
3. Warbs, his outfit, his staff and the club should hang their heads reflecting on that "display" yesterday evening.
4. I really hope Wigan finish 13 points above the drop and stay up, it's a cracking away trip which I'd hope to make next season.
Thanks you and I'm out
(No reference to drug dealers possible to cram into this post - apologies) |  |
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| Wigan into administration on 11:45 - Jul 9 with 1783 views | EastR |
| Wigan into administration on 11:34 - Jul 9 by danehoop |
Appears that Parry is trying to get ahead of the new story and get his defence out early (doing an Andrew) via a BBC interview:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53341269
All everyone else's fault apparently. |
Disgraceful
Demonstrates a complete lack of competence, responsibility and accountability. | |
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| Wigan into administration on 12:00 - Jul 9 with 1749 views | DannyPaddox |
This might be a simplistic and romantic reading of this but do the Wigan players now have an extra impetus to avoid relegation as it will screw their ‘Chairman’s’ betting scam - part of which involves them not being paid whilst under administration. All power to Wigan Athletic - it’s players and supporters. |  | | |
| Wigan into administration on 12:46 - Jul 9 with 1677 views | paulparker |
Parry is a weasel and isn’t interested unless it involves Liverpool fc |  |
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That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| Wigan into administration on 12:54 - Jul 9 with 1666 views | R_from_afar |
| Wigan into administration on 10:43 - Jul 9 by Mistication92 |
If there is a small cap then where would the money go if not to the players? It would just be to rich owners? It's not a great choice but given the choice between excessive money going to owners or players I'd rather it be the players, at least they've worked hard for it.
In a utopian system, every club would be owned by the fans, so that there would be a wage cap like you suggest and profits reinvested in the community, but sadly we don't live in that world. |
To be clear, I am absolutely not saying owners should be allowed to extract large amounts of money from football clubs. I think what the Glazers are doing to Man U is unacceptable, as an example.
My point was that the maximum playing budget does not have to be so large that it allows clubs to pay - or continue to pay - unsustainable wages and transfer fees.
You make a great point about fan ownership, if only! |  |
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| Wigan into administration on 14:04 - Jul 9 with 1593 views | stowmarketrange |
My take on the situation is that the 12 point deduction will only come into effect this season if it means they will be relegated because of it.If not,it will be held over till next season when they will start on -12 points.
Maybe that is the unfair part of the FA’s verdict?They will only deduct points if it really hurts them by ensuring their relegation.So the FA will hold the power on their fate.
I know that some owners would play it smart on when they entered administration if 12 pts were deducted automatically,but it’s like being on death row and the man in charge of your prison delays your execution so that it’ll hurt you more.
A bit extreme I know,but at least tell them where they stand now rather than keep them hanging. |  | | |
| Wigan into administration on 14:18 - Jul 9 with 1577 views | QPR_John |
| Wigan into administration on 14:04 - Jul 9 by stowmarketrange |
My take on the situation is that the 12 point deduction will only come into effect this season if it means they will be relegated because of it.If not,it will be held over till next season when they will start on -12 points.
Maybe that is the unfair part of the FA’s verdict?They will only deduct points if it really hurts them by ensuring their relegation.So the FA will hold the power on their fate.
I know that some owners would play it smart on when they entered administration if 12 pts were deducted automatically,but it’s like being on death row and the man in charge of your prison delays your execution so that it’ll hurt you more.
A bit extreme I know,but at least tell them where they stand now rather than keep them hanging. |
"My take on the situation is that the 12 point deduction will only come into effect this season if it means they will be relegated because of it"
As far as I understand it this is not the case and it was not applied to Birmingham. If Wigan are relegated by finishing in the bottom three ( not likely ) they will have the twelve points deducted next season. Otherwise the twelve points will be deducted this season when they either stay up or be relegated but with no penalty next season. | | | |
| Wigan into administration on 14:44 - Jul 9 with 1519 views | Northernr |
| Wigan into administration on 14:18 - Jul 9 by QPR_John |
"My take on the situation is that the 12 point deduction will only come into effect this season if it means they will be relegated because of it"
As far as I understand it this is not the case and it was not applied to Birmingham. If Wigan are relegated by finishing in the bottom three ( not likely ) they will have the twelve points deducted next season. Otherwise the twelve points will be deducted this season when they either stay up or be relegated but with no penalty next season. |
Yeh it's this, they need to be 13 points outside the bottom three after the last game otherwise they're down. |  | | |
| Wigan into administration on 15:37 - Jul 9 with 1457 views | Toast_R |
I see old Henry Winter made us sound like right tickle bellies on Twitter. And he's right. |  | | |
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