| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before 14:25 - Jul 15 with 9810 views | WestbourneR |
Looking down the squad list I got memories of Gary Waddock's 'new dawn' a few years back when we started the season with supposedly carefully sourced, low cost gems. Armel, Ukah, Ward and headless chicken Polish striker bloke.
For me our current signings are classic hope over experience.
Ramsey and Ferdinand think they're clever enough and astute enough to buy players on the cheap from home and abroad and build a strong Championship team. I am not so sure.
Don't get me wrong, I think Redknapp was a joke of a coach and a manager in the end - BUT, and i've always said it, I really believe he has an extremely good eye for a player.
Unlike almost any boss we've had for nearly 20 years - they players he bought are now worth considerably more than he paid for them. Even players like Karl Henry, who people derided, proved he was a more than useful signing for £1 million. Even O'Neill was a good signing for a season.
I very much doubt Ramsey and Ferds will have the same track record.
Austin, Phillips, Fer, Dunne, Simpson, Henry - even McCarthy is attracting strong interest.
Only Mutch and arguably Caulker haven't gone on to prove to be good signings and we got our money back on one and will get close to it on the other, should we want it.
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| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before on 14:37 - Jul 15 with 4364 views | daveB |
only time will tell if you are right or not |  | | |
| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before on 14:43 - Jul 15 with 4335 views | JonDoeman |
He did good business last time we went down, but last summers signings all were flops, I honestly don't know what we were thinking signing Sandro. |  |
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| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before on 15:02 - Jul 15 with 4253 views | Match82 |
For me, the thought process is more important than the actual players. Regardless of whether Redknapp signed good players (I'll leave that for others to weigh in on) the majority of his bus during his time here were all short term signings.
I love that the board now seem to be looking to signings with the future of the club in mind, and even if it tans two or three iterations to actually get the quality of player who can make the step up, I believe it's better for the long term future of the club |  | | |
| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before on 15:03 - Jul 15 with 4252 views | Dando |
The only thing I am worried about is that we are going down the route of mainly young players, and not balancing it out with some more experienced in vital positions. Maybe I am wrong as we have Hill, Green, Ned, and maybe 1 or 2 others but in my opinion we need at least 1 or 2 of the older/experienced starters to come in. Although our aim probably isnt to go up this year, most of the successful teams who go up have a mixture. At the moment our squad is extremely thin (once players leave) and it is a bit of a risk that we are hoping some of the players are ready for the challenge.
I dont want to go back to the old style of past it players, but sometimes having an experienced striker up front to help lead the line gives you a bit more confidence. Someone in the mould of Helguson when we had him for example |  | | |
| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before on 15:10 - Jul 15 with 4208 views | Antti_Heinola |
Dave B's right - time will tell. There are similarities with Waddock's spell, as has already been pointed out on here. I'll be honest - I'm fully on Ramsey's side, but if he's still manager (head coach) at the start of next season I'll be surprised.
However, we really don't know yet what our team will be when the season starts. There's clearly a lot of work still to be done.
However, the comparisons seem a little pessimistic. Luongo and Gladwin come with glowing references and other, bigger clubs were in for them too. Polti is more of a gamble, but he has at least scored goals in a league comparable to the Championship. If I'm honest, I'm expecting more Nygaard than Czerkas and I'm hoping I'll be pleasantly surprised.
Mackie we know will be fine. JET, too, has scored goals at this level.
I keep saying - much of this is down to expectation. We're now doing what we should have done after we went down last time - try to re-build more sustainably while looking more long term. Yes, Harry signed some good players (although he failed to get the best out of nearly all of them and when you've had more to spend than any other manager in QPR's history, I'd hope a few would turn into success stories) but too many were short-termist. You say O'Neil was good - well, he wasn't, really - he was average at best and because of that, and because of his average-partner-in-crime Karl Henry, we then had to replace them after just a year. That's not just Redknapp - it's been the same for years - buying a whole new team every summer. The expectation from some fans appears to be 'we might not challenge, oh christ!' When really we should just be hoping we come mid-table and have a base to build on in a year's time.
Hopefully, with other new signings, we'll be able to do that. |  |
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| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before on 15:12 - Jul 15 with 4193 views | fakekerby |
How can you possibly say that Redknapp brought in the right players and many have become more valuable?
We are no better off than when Redknapp got here and are millions and millions of pounds more into the red! Redknapp had brought in so many players of course you'd be able to name 4-5 decent ones but I can name another 20 bad ones!
The reason we went up under him was largely because he had a huge budget for ready-made players + an incredibly gifted goal scorer. This was a man who was able to bring in Ravel Morrison on loan just because he felt like it. We are seriously paying for it all now.
Les has made some good signings so far, my only fear is that it has all gone a bit quiet - we do need a few more players in my book, but I guess a lot does depend on Austin/Fer/Philips/Caulker and where they end up. Even with them all, we would still need a right back and another striker IMO. | | | |
| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before on 15:20 - Jul 15 with 4149 views | essextaxiboy |
We have two top class keepers , two decent centre back, with options at full back , a wealth of midfielders who can score goals and (at the moment ) 3 decent strikers .
If we lose some then maybe we need a couple more , but as it stands we have a great chance of a decent season . |  | | |
| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before on 15:20 - Jul 15 with 4148 views | WokingR |
| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before on 14:37 - Jul 15 by daveB |
only time will tell if you are right or not |
Oh come on Dave !
Derision and Abuse he asked for
I sometimes wonder at the lack of effort you put into your replies |  | | |
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| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before on 15:22 - Jul 15 with 4140 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before on 15:20 - Jul 15 by essextaxiboy |
We have two top class keepers , two decent centre back, with options at full back , a wealth of midfielders who can score goals and (at the moment ) 3 decent strikers .
If we lose some then maybe we need a couple more , but as it stands we have a great chance of a decent season . |
Looks increasingly like McCarthy will go to Palace though... | |
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| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before on 15:26 - Jul 15 with 4117 views | essextaxiboy |
| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before on 15:22 - Jul 15 by Antti_Heinola |
Looks increasingly like McCarthy will go to Palace though... |
I can understand him going for that , he deserves first team football TBH .
Prob better all round if Green had gone I suppose and we could be looking for an understudy . | | | |
| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before on 15:27 - Jul 15 with 4119 views | FDC |
It's not like Ramsey and Les are choosing to buy cheaper players out of hubris; that's the restriction they have to work with. If Harry's expensively assembled team ends up looking better than Ramsey's cheaply assembled team, I'm not sure it's fair to compare the two in the way suggested. |  | | |
| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before on 15:28 - Jul 15 with 4109 views | WilloW4 |
| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before on 14:43 - Jul 15 by JonDoeman |
He did good business last time we went down, but last summers signings all were flops, I honestly don't know what we were thinking signing Sandro. |
"Signing Sandro" = a few people making a large amount of money ..allegedly. |  | | |
| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before on 15:29 - Jul 15 with 4097 views | adhoc_qpr |
I agree with WestbourneR - the current squad offers more hope than expectation. I'd be a lot happier if we signed another 3 or 4 players (in the right positions) with the type of experience of Mackie.
I'm remain unconvinced by Ramsey too.
If we build a strong squad, i think he's probably capable enough to get us to safe mid-table and maybe a playoff tilt.
But if we end up with a weak, inexperienced or imbalanced squad, I don't think Ramsey has enough about him to get the team to perform to a greater level than the sum of it's parts. Back to back relegation would be a real danger. | | | |
| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before on 15:30 - Jul 15 with 4091 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before on 15:28 - Jul 15 by WilloW4 |
"Signing Sandro" = a few people making a large amount of money ..allegedly. |
Really, from the man who allegedly had three different agents in three different rooms as he thrashed out the deal to sign Wilson Palacios (who he then rarely played) at Spurs? Surely not. those agents, though - they're the bane of Arry's life, they are. | |
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| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before on 15:32 - Jul 15 with 4072 views | essextaxiboy |
| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before on 15:27 - Jul 15 by FDC |
It's not like Ramsey and Les are choosing to buy cheaper players out of hubris; that's the restriction they have to work with. If Harry's expensively assembled team ends up looking better than Ramsey's cheaply assembled team, I'm not sure it's fair to compare the two in the way suggested. |
It will be interesting to compare how we played and the end result under both Redknapp and Ramsey in the Championship . | | | |
| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before on 15:33 - Jul 15 with 4071 views | WilloW4 |
| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before on 15:30 - Jul 15 by Antti_Heinola |
Really, from the man who allegedly had three different agents in three different rooms as he thrashed out the deal to sign Wilson Palacios (who he then rarely played) at Spurs? Surely not. those agents, though - they're the bane of Arry's life, they are. |
Sealed brown envelopes all over the place when it comes to Redknapp and agents...apparently, definitely maybe...! | | | |
| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before on 15:35 - Jul 15 with 4058 views | NorthamptonR |
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Cant help but think Ramsey is damned either way.
Sign experience - havent learned from the past few years
Sign younger, supposedly hungrier players - havent learned from Waddock
Any chance Ramsey may just get a chance throughout the season instead of writing him and the squad off in July? | | | |
| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before on 15:38 - Jul 15 with 4029 views | LadbrokeR |
Stated simply we have got to give him a chance. I belive that Ramseys copy boook is partly blotted and should he under perform i wouldn't expect him to be there at Xmas. | | | |
| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before on 15:41 - Jul 15 with 4000 views | adhoc_qpr |
| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before on 15:20 - Jul 15 by essextaxiboy |
We have two top class keepers , two decent centre back, with options at full back , a wealth of midfielders who can score goals and (at the moment ) 3 decent strikers .
If we lose some then maybe we need a couple more , but as it stands we have a great chance of a decent season . |
Disagree with some of that
Options at fullback - We have one left back (uninjured) and one right back with hardly any meaningful senior football under his belt.
A wealth of midfielders who can score goals - Who? Phillips has scored lots of goals, but is likely going. Fer the same. JET scored about 8 goals in 70 appearances for Ipswich. Luongo and Gladwin have never scored at Championship level. Faurlin isn't a goal threat and probably won't stay fit. Don't even say Hoillett!
3 decent strikers - We have one good striker who is almost definitely going, Mackie is fine but not an out and out striker and no one knows whether Polter will be a flop or a success.
If we genuinely keep Austin, Phillips, Fer etc then we'll be OK - but we all know the debt situation and its blatantly posturing to ensure we get a good price (fair play to Les).
Once they have gone, the squad will be very much lower table/relegation quality - who we bring in at that point will decide our season. | | | |
| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before on 15:41 - Jul 15 with 3992 views | LadbrokeR |
| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before on 15:35 - Jul 15 by NorthamptonR |
1st time poster - extra mature cheddar/grilled halloumi
Cant help but think Ramsey is damned either way.
Sign experience - havent learned from the past few years
Sign younger, supposedly hungrier players - havent learned from Waddock
Any chance Ramsey may just get a chance throughout the season instead of writing him and the squad off in July? |
Well done on the cheese thing I was lost on that one for a while. It's a bit odd all this. I feel that the premier league which i can't stand is one of the hardest leagues to survive in. In a similar way the Championship is one of the hardest leagues to get promoted from. | | | |
| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before on 15:43 - Jul 15 with 3976 views | LadbrokeR |
Ad Hoc If we genuinely keep Austin, Phillips, Fer i would fully expect to be pushing for an automatic place. Let's have it right. | | | |
| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before on 15:45 - Jul 15 with 3957 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before on 15:35 - Jul 15 by NorthamptonR |
1st time poster - extra mature cheddar/grilled halloumi
Cant help but think Ramsey is damned either way.
Sign experience - havent learned from the past few years
Sign younger, supposedly hungrier players - havent learned from Waddock
Any chance Ramsey may just get a chance throughout the season instead of writing him and the squad off in July? |
Spot on. Although I'm actually pleased there's some doom and gloom around. Better than the unbearable optimism usually around in the summer. | |
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| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before on 15:47 - Jul 15 with 3934 views | LadbrokeR |
| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before on 15:45 - Jul 15 by Antti_Heinola |
Spot on. Although I'm actually pleased there's some doom and gloom around. Better than the unbearable optimism usually around in the summer. |
But how do you see Henry fitting In ? | | | |
| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before on 15:48 - Jul 15 with 3931 views | adhoc_qpr |
| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before on 15:43 - Jul 15 by LadbrokeR |
Ad Hoc If we genuinely keep Austin, Phillips, Fer i would fully expect to be pushing for an automatic place. Let's have it right. |
Fair enough - i suppose Austin alone guarantees a promotion charge as we have seen before! | | | |
| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before on 15:49 - Jul 15 with 3913 views | ichbinnaughty |
| Naively assembled squad, seen it all before on 15:12 - Jul 15 by fakekerby |
How can you possibly say that Redknapp brought in the right players and many have become more valuable?
We are no better off than when Redknapp got here and are millions and millions of pounds more into the red! Redknapp had brought in so many players of course you'd be able to name 4-5 decent ones but I can name another 20 bad ones!
The reason we went up under him was largely because he had a huge budget for ready-made players + an incredibly gifted goal scorer. This was a man who was able to bring in Ravel Morrison on loan just because he felt like it. We are seriously paying for it all now.
Les has made some good signings so far, my only fear is that it has all gone a bit quiet - we do need a few more players in my book, but I guess a lot does depend on Austin/Fer/Philips/Caulker and where they end up. Even with them all, we would still need a right back and another striker IMO. |
We should open a GOOD and BAD list of Redknapp signings - shine a light on whether he is good in the transfer market (cos he cant be farked to coach); or not.
Plus I think the club needs to set a deadline on our willingness to do business - both for other clubs, and to our own players' agents.
If you're still here on August 01, that's it. You are staying and we expect you to be professional. |  | | |
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