| Done move confirmed 22:01 - Feb 2 with 25741 views | CockneyDale |
Confirmed by club on Twitter - Matty Done has gone to Sheff United [Post edited 2 Feb 2015 22:02]
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| Done move confirmed on 23:54 - Feb 2 with 3040 views | 442Dale |
| Done move confirmed on 23:50 - Feb 2 by RotherhamDale |
Well said.
I support a football team, not a business. [Post edited 2 Feb 2015 23:54]
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If Keith Hill wasn't happy there would be an issue.
He's happy, so there isn't. We have to let him develop the squad how he sees fit. History illustrates that has to be the case, no matter how disappointed we might be on occasions like this. |  |
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| Done move confirmed on 00:04 - Feb 3 with 2979 views | Regowen |
KH has always said he cannot stand in the way of players who deserve to earn more money that we can afford to pay them. Maybe if the 2,000 who came to watch the Stoke game (and won't come again most of them!!) turned up on a regular basis we could pay more and keep more !! |  | | |
| Done move confirmed on 00:05 - Feb 3 with 2973 views | roccydaleian |
| Done move confirmed on 23:45 - Feb 2 by beat_the_bishop |
This thread has backed up my thoughts. The people of Rochdale are well and truly deluded.
I go to watch my team to win. I don't go for 'stability and establishment' and all that jazz. That I just expect. I don't want to hear 'we are a league two club in league one' all the time. You go out there and compete with whoever is put in front of you. It's a game of football not a game of poker. If you are good enough you will win. It's not a gamble, it's all about ability.
Rochdale at present have the ability. The ability to compete for the playoffs. We all know it, as deluded as you are we all know that this current team is capable of challenging. We have not been played off the park once this season, when we have been beat it's more often than not Dale who have suffered from a bad day at the office than Dale getting battered by the sheer class of the opponent. So to me that indicates we are good enough, nobody can deny it.
So...why sell your best player (or one of) to a club one point above you in the league? Why would you do that? You do that when you are nothing but a door mat to 'big clubs'.
I don't want hear the 'player will be unsettled, his head has been turned so let's cash in' all that is shite. He is employed by Rochdale Football Club and has a duty in his contract to carry out his job to the best of his ability which so happens to be football. If we rejected the bid and his form significantly dipped. Then that is an example of how contracts mean nothing, and players rule the roost. But as a fan, I would much rather see that than see us cash in yet again. It's boring, predictable and leaves me wondering why I bother. The club clearly keep harping on about how we are in the black and not the red, and this week we 'did not need to sell.'
If you can't back that up then don't bother keep telling us. I don't care about how we are securing the future of the club for our children to still have a team to support. You live for the moment and the day as a fan. And as a fan I look at the table and I see that we have a fighting chance of playing in the championship next season. So to me, you make sure you give it your best shot! If you fall short, unlucky. But thanks for the effort.
People care too much about financial stability instead of entertainment. I pay to be entertained, to see us win. I don't walk to Spotland thinking 'hey if Matty Done scores a brace today his value will go up and that means Rochdale can sell him for more!'. I walk to the ground to see us win 3 points then walk home and check the league table. Am I the abnormal one here?
Too many of you are brainwashed by Keith Hill and his financial tripe. I am sick of hearing it. Yes it's great we have cash in the bank don't get me wrong. But it's also great to think your club want to be as successful as possible. The latter I don't believe is true. Rochdale this season will happily finish mid-table. A fantastic achievement don't get me wrong but in typical Rochdale way the fans with the same mind set as me will think 'remember that season when we could of got into the playoffs but we sold Matty Done and he scored the winner for Sheff United to clinch 6th spot. That was a good season wasn't it!'
You don't get more fans by continuously selling your best players. Yes it improves the bank balance, but so does arses on seats. With this 'lucky to be in league one, punching above our weight, league two club' mentality, the fans will forever be a distant dream. |
Aye, but money and agents talk. Get over it. Worse things have happened. Up the Dale. |  | | |
| Done move confirmed on 00:30 - Feb 3 with 2914 views | beat_the_bishop |
| Done move confirmed on 00:04 - Feb 3 by Regowen |
KH has always said he cannot stand in the way of players who deserve to earn more money that we can afford to pay them. Maybe if the 2,000 who came to watch the Stoke game (and won't come again most of them!!) turned up on a regular basis we could pay more and keep more !! |
And selling your best players won't aid them 2,000 retuning.
That money in the banks needs to be invested into that side of the club. We all know that and it's been discussed many of times. But, something needs to give. The borough of Rochdale has a population over 200,000 and less than 1.5% attend the games.
I would rather see this money be invested into this side of our club. Because right now it's what's letting us Rochdale fans down massively. And as it stands, I'm on the fence and to whether I will become one of them 'floaters'. I work incredibly hard for my money that gets put into my team and I don't feel today's treatment is a reward to me as a fan, more a penalty. But the trust 2,000 hardcore continue to return, we all need a MBE for services to football! | | | |
| Done move confirmed on 01:06 - Feb 3 with 2849 views | Thran |
| Done move confirmed on 00:30 - Feb 3 by beat_the_bishop |
And selling your best players won't aid them 2,000 retuning.
That money in the banks needs to be invested into that side of the club. We all know that and it's been discussed many of times. But, something needs to give. The borough of Rochdale has a population over 200,000 and less than 1.5% attend the games.
I would rather see this money be invested into this side of our club. Because right now it's what's letting us Rochdale fans down massively. And as it stands, I'm on the fence and to whether I will become one of them 'floaters'. I work incredibly hard for my money that gets put into my team and I don't feel today's treatment is a reward to me as a fan, more a penalty. But the trust 2,000 hardcore continue to return, we all need a MBE for services to football! |
"Because right now it's what's letting us Rochdale fans down massively"
We're in fooking League 1.
We're fighting for the play-offs in fooking League 1.
I don't know about you but I have not felt let down as a Rochdale fan since Hilly came back.
Sold Hogan, 7 months later sitting 8th? in fooking League 1.
Now we've sold Done, who knows where we could be in a few months time?
RNL, Brandy, Calv all look to try and take his and Hogans place as our next big sensation.
Face it, as much as it is horrible to see, we're a selling club and a bloody brilliant one at that. Keep rolling in the players and lets keep sending them out. How else are we going to compete with teams with 10x higher avergae attendance than us?
Believe in Hilly and Up The Dale! [Post edited 3 Feb 2015 1:08]
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| Done move confirmed on 02:17 - Feb 3 with 2784 views | R_AFC |
| Done move confirmed on 23:45 - Feb 2 by beat_the_bishop |
This thread has backed up my thoughts. The people of Rochdale are well and truly deluded.
I go to watch my team to win. I don't go for 'stability and establishment' and all that jazz. That I just expect. I don't want to hear 'we are a league two club in league one' all the time. You go out there and compete with whoever is put in front of you. It's a game of football not a game of poker. If you are good enough you will win. It's not a gamble, it's all about ability.
Rochdale at present have the ability. The ability to compete for the playoffs. We all know it, as deluded as you are we all know that this current team is capable of challenging. We have not been played off the park once this season, when we have been beat it's more often than not Dale who have suffered from a bad day at the office than Dale getting battered by the sheer class of the opponent. So to me that indicates we are good enough, nobody can deny it.
So...why sell your best player (or one of) to a club one point above you in the league? Why would you do that? You do that when you are nothing but a door mat to 'big clubs'.
I don't want hear the 'player will be unsettled, his head has been turned so let's cash in' all that is shite. He is employed by Rochdale Football Club and has a duty in his contract to carry out his job to the best of his ability which so happens to be football. If we rejected the bid and his form significantly dipped. Then that is an example of how contracts mean nothing, and players rule the roost. But as a fan, I would much rather see that than see us cash in yet again. It's boring, predictable and leaves me wondering why I bother. The club clearly keep harping on about how we are in the black and not the red, and this week we 'did not need to sell.'
If you can't back that up then don't bother keep telling us. I don't care about how we are securing the future of the club for our children to still have a team to support. You live for the moment and the day as a fan. And as a fan I look at the table and I see that we have a fighting chance of playing in the championship next season. So to me, you make sure you give it your best shot! If you fall short, unlucky. But thanks for the effort.
People care too much about financial stability instead of entertainment. I pay to be entertained, to see us win. I don't walk to Spotland thinking 'hey if Matty Done scores a brace today his value will go up and that means Rochdale can sell him for more!'. I walk to the ground to see us win 3 points then walk home and check the league table. Am I the abnormal one here?
Too many of you are brainwashed by Keith Hill and his financial tripe. I am sick of hearing it. Yes it's great we have cash in the bank don't get me wrong. But it's also great to think your club want to be as successful as possible. The latter I don't believe is true. Rochdale this season will happily finish mid-table. A fantastic achievement don't get me wrong but in typical Rochdale way the fans with the same mind set as me will think 'remember that season when we could of got into the playoffs but we sold Matty Done and he scored the winner for Sheff United to clinch 6th spot. That was a good season wasn't it!'
You don't get more fans by continuously selling your best players. Yes it improves the bank balance, but so does arses on seats. With this 'lucky to be in league one, punching above our weight, league two club' mentality, the fans will forever be a distant dream. |
Agree completely!!!
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| Done move confirmed on 03:36 - Feb 3 with 2751 views | davidab2202 |
| Done move confirmed on 23:50 - Feb 2 by RotherhamDale |
Well said.
I support a football team, not a business. [Post edited 2 Feb 2015 23:54]
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In an ideal world you are right but without a business brain the club would very soon have problems.I'm old enough to remember the Tommy Cannon way of running the club.
We as supporters do get upset when a "good" player departs but whilst Matt will no doubt always think of Dale with affection,he was not brought up supporting the club as we were and the financial implication for him personally no doubt made the move very attractive.
When he resigned for us Hilly placed the seed in our minds that this day would come by saying that Done had only come back on the proviso that if as and when a chance for a move to a "bigger club" came along it would be considered | | | |
| Done move confirmed on 03:50 - Feb 3 with 2743 views | pioneer |
Questions that need answers:
1. How much and this is on top of exactly how much we made from the Cup run? Seems like there is no urgent need for cash from our assets and its too late to use the cash to improve our playing staff.
2. Why now and not wait until the end of the season to see if he could have helped to get us into the play offs/wembley/promotion (more money plus higher value for him)?
3. Why to them, one of our closest rivals for end of season success?.
Seems like its all part of the clubs desire, as expoused by KH, to 'manage expectations'. Certainly expectations for success are less today then they were yesterday and presumably that will have an impact on attendence.
Are any of our immediate rivals selling their best assets? | | | |
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| Done move confirmed on 03:50 - Feb 3 with 2743 views | AussieDale |
Can't believe what I'm reading on this site. If done gets offered considerably more money to ply his trade with another club what exactly do you expect Keith Hill to do to stop that. Offer him the same wage and blow out the club's wage budget and also damage squad morale or simply reject the bid outright leaving one unhappy player and no money in the club coffers.
Also overlooked in all of this is the distinct possibility that a number of our squad, knowing full well the economic environment at Rochdale, may well have a release clause in their contract in terms of wages/transfer fees that makes the club relatively powerless.
Having supported the club since the 50's, albeit from afar since 1970, what Keith Hill and his management team are achieving is nothing short of miraculous given the resources available. | | | |
| Done move confirmed on 04:15 - Feb 3 with 2734 views | DiddyDave |
| Done move confirmed on 03:50 - Feb 3 by AussieDale |
Can't believe what I'm reading on this site. If done gets offered considerably more money to ply his trade with another club what exactly do you expect Keith Hill to do to stop that. Offer him the same wage and blow out the club's wage budget and also damage squad morale or simply reject the bid outright leaving one unhappy player and no money in the club coffers.
Also overlooked in all of this is the distinct possibility that a number of our squad, knowing full well the economic environment at Rochdale, may well have a release clause in their contract in terms of wages/transfer fees that makes the club relatively powerless.
Having supported the club since the 50's, albeit from afar since 1970, what Keith Hill and his management team are achieving is nothing short of miraculous given the resources available. |
Well said that man! Football is a business, end of story. Dale have a chairman, board and manager who know what they`re doing, so let`s wait until the end of the season and see where Dale stand on the table before we all jump in the lake. Beggars can`t be choosers, if the right money comes up, the club would be mad to say no, and you`d have a really pissed off player. We all trust in KH and CD, the club is in good hands. | | | |
| Done move confirmed on 04:19 - Feb 3 with 2731 views | downunder |
| Done move confirmed on 03:50 - Feb 3 by AussieDale |
Can't believe what I'm reading on this site. If done gets offered considerably more money to ply his trade with another club what exactly do you expect Keith Hill to do to stop that. Offer him the same wage and blow out the club's wage budget and also damage squad morale or simply reject the bid outright leaving one unhappy player and no money in the club coffers.
Also overlooked in all of this is the distinct possibility that a number of our squad, knowing full well the economic environment at Rochdale, may well have a release clause in their contract in terms of wages/transfer fees that makes the club relatively powerless.
Having supported the club since the 50's, albeit from afar since 1970, what Keith Hill and his management team are achieving is nothing short of miraculous given the resources available. |
Miraculous considering where we were with John Colman as manager. Not that long ago is it! |  | | |
| Done move confirmed on 05:21 - Feb 3 with 2714 views | TalkingSutty |
| Done move confirmed on 03:50 - Feb 3 by AussieDale |
Can't believe what I'm reading on this site. If done gets offered considerably more money to ply his trade with another club what exactly do you expect Keith Hill to do to stop that. Offer him the same wage and blow out the club's wage budget and also damage squad morale or simply reject the bid outright leaving one unhappy player and no money in the club coffers.
Also overlooked in all of this is the distinct possibility that a number of our squad, knowing full well the economic environment at Rochdale, may well have a release clause in their contract in terms of wages/transfer fees that makes the club relatively powerless.
Having supported the club since the 50's, albeit from afar since 1970, what Keith Hill and his management team are achieving is nothing short of miraculous given the resources available. |
That sums things up perfectly. We have sold far better players than Done in the past and managed to progress,losing our best players isn't a problem if we receive a good transfer fee.
Stockpiling a large sum of money is the best policy to establish ourselves in league one I reckon, it means we can afford to increase our wage bill and bring in a better quality of player to supplement our youth policy.
The fly in the ointment are our home attendances and lack of enthusiasm by the club to improve in a commercial/marketing sense. Let's face it, Matty Done had a opportunity to play in front of 20, 000 home fans every other week and maybe treble his wages, his contract sets him up financially, so he would be crazy to stay at Rochdale and that's the reality for all our current players and possibly the manager also.
Until we can increase our home support we will always be viewed as a small club ripe for rich pickings by the bigger fish and the Done transfer is a perfect example of that. |  | | |
| Done move confirmed on 06:06 - Feb 3 with 2685 views | Dale23years |
| Done move confirmed on 05:21 - Feb 3 by TalkingSutty |
That sums things up perfectly. We have sold far better players than Done in the past and managed to progress,losing our best players isn't a problem if we receive a good transfer fee.
Stockpiling a large sum of money is the best policy to establish ourselves in league one I reckon, it means we can afford to increase our wage bill and bring in a better quality of player to supplement our youth policy.
The fly in the ointment are our home attendances and lack of enthusiasm by the club to improve in a commercial/marketing sense. Let's face it, Matty Done had a opportunity to play in front of 20, 000 home fans every other week and maybe treble his wages, his contract sets him up financially, so he would be crazy to stay at Rochdale and that's the reality for all our current players and possibly the manager also.
Until we can increase our home support we will always be viewed as a small club ripe for rich pickings by the bigger fish and the Done transfer is a perfect example of that. |
we will never increase attendances when we sell our best players on the cheap esp while we in a healthy position [Post edited 3 Feb 2015 6:40]
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| Done move confirmed on 06:31 - Feb 3 with 2670 views | aleanddale |
| Done move confirmed on 22:18 - Feb 2 by SuddenLad |
We were lucky to get Matt Done when he rejoined us. We were all overjoyed when he returned.
He has given his all for us, others have noticed his qualities and we have banked a Kings' ransom (by our standards) that we would never have seen had KH not brought him back.
We've won both ways.
All the best Matty, thanks for everything. |
Exactly this.
The money WILL have been to good to turn down.
It better have been close to or around the £1 000 000 mark though.
We move on. Hill is playing a longer game than most of us and I am certain this will allow the club to strengthen mid and long term.
I can see the disappointment and why but I can clearly remember the days when survival was on a financial knife edge and back then we had no assets to sell!
Let's see who Hilly has in mind as a replacement and back the team and the club on Saturday at 3pm. | | | |
| Done move confirmed on 06:43 - Feb 3 with 2653 views | aleanddale |
| Done move confirmed on 22:35 - Feb 2 by boffley |
So he's gone. Good. I'm really pleased with the fact that he has probably doubled or trebled his wages. (well deserved). That the club has put probably the thick end of a million in the bank and that Hilly will now come up with some new plan for the rest of the season. That to me is a trio of positives.
We can't have it both ways. We have developed a plan to bring youngsters through the ranks, mend broken toys and keep the club healthily afloat by selling those youngsters and "mended toys". To start protesting when someone moves on is negative in the extreme .
We should not view Matty Done's move as a setback . How many times in the last 25 years has it been said that because "so n so" has moved that's the end of the world as far as RAFC is concerned. This move is not a setback it's an opportunity.
An opportunity for Hilly to put some new plan into action. I for one look forwards to seeing what that plan will be and to the rest of a successful season.
Provided the price is right I look forwards to future moves away from the club and to the continued development and shape shifting of the squad.
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A perfect summary.
Hilly says a really really good deal - two reallys is better than one.
He also uses the word million! I hope that was a sub conscious slip of the tongue!
Onwards we go in the best shape in the clubs history. [Post edited 3 Feb 2015 7:42]
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| Done move confirmed on 06:56 - Feb 3 with 2633 views | Nigeriamark |
| Done move confirmed on 06:06 - Feb 3 by Dale23years |
we will never increase attendances when we sell our best players on the cheap esp while we in a healthy position [Post edited 3 Feb 2015 6:40]
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They don't increase anyway. Last time Hill was here and we were scoring 5 or 6 goals at times away from home, our home support ( other than Marquee games ) peaked at around 2,800 home fans. It is now approx 2,500 home fans even with Done in it and in a playoff place in league 1. If we got promoted I don't think we would get many more than 3,000, especially if we struggle
Bottom line is fan base = money to spend and even with the best marketing in the world we are always going to have gates that fluctuate by a few hundred depending on how we play. As a result I think it is correct to sell our best players and enjoy seeing youth develop, punch above our weight, knock a big team out of the cup occasionally etc
It is what it is. Done could get crocked and we get nothing next season ( we were lucky with Hogan) |  | | |
| Done move confirmed on 07:14 - Feb 3 with 2596 views | fitzochris |
That's the bottom line. While I've supported Dale, we've gone from being dire (in the late 80s) to the best we've ever been and the gate has increased by a couple of thousand at most.
It will never change. If we got to the Championship, away crowds would falsely boost our average attendance, not the locals.
That's why I understand that we develop and sell players. I totally get it. It's the oft cited model.
What annoys me is the timing, the secrecy and the bad PR. We get Hilly saying he's happy with the squad, we don't have to sell this window etc etc. We then lose our most dangerous player two hours before the transfer window shuts.
Then we get a quote saying that Brandy and RNL are replacements rather than supplements. They might be, and they might do it well, but the whole thing still leaves a bad taste.
Add to that Hilly acknowledges we're a centre half light, but no one comes in, and you can understand the downbeat mood.
Yes, Jack may return on loan if Brentford get a Kyle Bartley or whatever, but us fans have to sit in the dark and in hope.
That's the nature of it all, I guess. We're only human. |  |
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| Done move confirmed on 07:21 - Feb 3 with 2587 views | cupardale |
We are a selling club! Anyone who thinks this sale shows lack of ambition is deluded. As a Dale fan of 22 years I'd rather us in the situation we are now, developing exciting players, moving them on for a good fee, sell on clauses etc. far preferable to the Barrow era of signing dross and watching players leave because they were either injured or bobbins.
Our young lads are showing they are up for the challenge of league 1. The timing of the sale and the destination are disappointing but I support Rochdale Football CLUB, that's not just turning up expecting to be entertained but to hopefully see sustainable relative success over the long term. Our current policy allows for this. There is no guarantee we would make the play offs with Done just as there's no guarantee we won't without him.
Personally I'm still excited about the last 3 months of the season, no less than I would've been had Done stayed.
Just get behind the team, Hilly and the board (who lest we forget are dyed in the wool supporters). Up the Dale! | | | |
| Done move confirmed on 07:23 - Feb 3 with 2576 views | Nigeriamark |
| Done move confirmed on 07:14 - Feb 3 by fitzochris |
That's the bottom line. While I've supported Dale, we've gone from being dire (in the late 80s) to the best we've ever been and the gate has increased by a couple of thousand at most.
It will never change. If we got to the Championship, away crowds would falsely boost our average attendance, not the locals.
That's why I understand that we develop and sell players. I totally get it. It's the oft cited model.
What annoys me is the timing, the secrecy and the bad PR. We get Hilly saying he's happy with the squad, we don't have to sell this window etc etc. We then lose our most dangerous player two hours before the transfer window shuts.
Then we get a quote saying that Brandy and RNL are replacements rather than supplements. They might be, and they might do it well, but the whole thing still leaves a bad taste.
Add to that Hilly acknowledges we're a centre half light, but no one comes in, and you can understand the downbeat mood.
Yes, Jack may return on loan if Brentford get a Kyle Bartley or whatever, but us fans have to sit in the dark and in hope.
That's the nature of it all, I guess. We're only human. |
But you are right. Right decision but communicated and handled badly. Never know why clubs engage in smoke and mirror type communication. Either say nothing or say everything
BTW - when we had those crowds of 1,000 or less I was amazed we even had that many it was so dire ( yet I was one of them!!) | | | |
| Done move confirmed on 07:46 - Feb 3 with 2496 views | leonardrafc |
I'm stuck in the middle on how to feel about this. We are a selling club and that is something I have always accepted but to sell one of our best players in January just stinks desperation. Surely we could have waited until the end of the season to sell?
On the flip side, I would rather be in our shoes of making millions than be in the shoes of Bury losing millions... or even in the shoes of Stockport etc.
One thing I would love to see come of this (albeit highly unlikely) is for the loyal fans be rewarded with all this extra money and potentionally lowering the price of a Season Ticket renewal. | | | |
| Done move confirmed on 07:49 - Feb 3 with 2487 views | nordenblue |
| Done move confirmed on 07:23 - Feb 3 by Nigeriamark |
But you are right. Right decision but communicated and handled badly. Never know why clubs engage in smoke and mirror type communication. Either say nothing or say everything
BTW - when we had those crowds of 1,000 or less I was amazed we even had that many it was so dire ( yet I was one of them!!) |
The only reason Hill comes out with the line "nobody is being sold" it's in the hope of bumping up said players price, even more so when hes since openly admittedly they were in negotiations regarding Dones price this week with Sheff Utd. | | | |
| Done move confirmed on 07:49 - Feb 3 with 2485 views | SuddenLad |
| Done move confirmed on 07:14 - Feb 3 by fitzochris |
That's the bottom line. While I've supported Dale, we've gone from being dire (in the late 80s) to the best we've ever been and the gate has increased by a couple of thousand at most.
It will never change. If we got to the Championship, away crowds would falsely boost our average attendance, not the locals.
That's why I understand that we develop and sell players. I totally get it. It's the oft cited model.
What annoys me is the timing, the secrecy and the bad PR. We get Hilly saying he's happy with the squad, we don't have to sell this window etc etc. We then lose our most dangerous player two hours before the transfer window shuts.
Then we get a quote saying that Brandy and RNL are replacements rather than supplements. They might be, and they might do it well, but the whole thing still leaves a bad taste.
Add to that Hilly acknowledges we're a centre half light, but no one comes in, and you can understand the downbeat mood.
Yes, Jack may return on loan if Brentford get a Kyle Bartley or whatever, but us fans have to sit in the dark and in hope.
That's the nature of it all, I guess. We're only human. |
I get everything you say fitzo, but the statement from earlier Keith Hill probably didn't take into account the SIZE of the bid we received from Sheffield United. At that point the club comes first.
Regardless of KH being happy with the squad, (which I believe) it could be argued that Brandy and/or RNL are ready replacements but sometimes, when a bid comes along, we would be foolish to turn it down.
We would all be up in arms if Done was still at Spotland and we discovered that a huge bid (for us) had been ignored. As ever, Dale deal in 'undisclosed fees' which is their way of doing things. I don't like it any more than anyone else, but eventually, the fee will be known. If there's a 'promotion clause' we could well be seeing that in a matter of months instead like some deals (Bywater) where we saw almost nothing after the initial fee.
OK, the timing could have been better, but lets watch what happens when the loan window opens. |  |
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| Done move confirmed on 09:33 - Feb 3 with 2334 views | fitzochris |
| Done move confirmed on 07:49 - Feb 3 by SuddenLad |
I get everything you say fitzo, but the statement from earlier Keith Hill probably didn't take into account the SIZE of the bid we received from Sheffield United. At that point the club comes first.
Regardless of KH being happy with the squad, (which I believe) it could be argued that Brandy and/or RNL are ready replacements but sometimes, when a bid comes along, we would be foolish to turn it down.
We would all be up in arms if Done was still at Spotland and we discovered that a huge bid (for us) had been ignored. As ever, Dale deal in 'undisclosed fees' which is their way of doing things. I don't like it any more than anyone else, but eventually, the fee will be known. If there's a 'promotion clause' we could well be seeing that in a matter of months instead like some deals (Bywater) where we saw almost nothing after the initial fee.
OK, the timing could have been better, but lets watch what happens when the loan window opens. |
Yes, I am hoping for loans now.
But to add to what I said above, I think the current league table requires close examination too.
Yes we are seventh but we are competing in one of the tightest divisions I can remember. We are 10 points off the relegation zone and nine points off fourth. That leaves a very solid block of teams all capable of overhauling each other very quickly.
We have just sold our most dangerous player to the team in sixth.
Any loss of form at this stage will have the league table looking very different for any number of teams. We’ve arguably weakened ourselves at a very crucial time.
Yes, we have acquired Brandy and RNL, the former has yet to feature and the latter has featured but fleetingly (albeit showing promise when he has), but at the same time we have lost a proven goal scorer and a key part of our defence.
I have no overall objection to us selling Done, as I say, but I feel we could/should have done more to have positives in place to balance the loss. I’m not talking about spending money, but a couple of contingency loans might at least have been set up.
I know we can still loan players in as of next week, but it would’ve been good to have them in time for the Orient game. | |
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| Done move confirmed on 10:39 - Feb 3 with 2162 views | D_Alien |
| Done move confirmed on 03:50 - Feb 3 by pioneer |
Questions that need answers:
1. How much and this is on top of exactly how much we made from the Cup run? Seems like there is no urgent need for cash from our assets and its too late to use the cash to improve our playing staff.
2. Why now and not wait until the end of the season to see if he could have helped to get us into the play offs/wembley/promotion (more money plus higher value for him)?
3. Why to them, one of our closest rivals for end of season success?.
Seems like its all part of the clubs desire, as expoused by KH, to 'manage expectations'. Certainly expectations for success are less today then they were yesterday and presumably that will have an impact on attendence.
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Chesterfield have just sold Eoin Doyle.
We're trying to buy the stadium.
KH wants to build a SQUAD that can compete in the championship - that requires a lot of cash. Having managed there, he'll know that whilst we have a few players who might be championship standard, overall we haven't, and the Done cash might be utilised to make enough of a rise in our wage bill to give us a chance.
Does that answer your questions?
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| Done move confirmed on 10:45 - Feb 3 with 2131 views | JimmyRustler |
| Done move confirmed on 10:39 - Feb 3 by D_Alien |
Chesterfield have just sold Eoin Doyle.
We're trying to buy the stadium.
KH wants to build a SQUAD that can compete in the championship - that requires a lot of cash. Having managed there, he'll know that whilst we have a few players who might be championship standard, overall we haven't, and the Done cash might be utilised to make enough of a rise in our wage bill to give us a chance.
Does that answer your questions?
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We won't get into the Championship though if we keep selling our best players when we don't *need* to. I also think the chances of KH managing is in the Championship are extremely low. I can't see us getting in the playoffs this season now and I don't believe he will be here at the end of next. We all remember what happened after our first year in League 1 and things change very quickly. |  | | |
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