| Clydach murders on 09:01 - Oct 23 with 1976 views | exhmrc1 |
| Clydach murders on 08:04 - Oct 23 by trampie |
He failed him made lots of mistakes.
Didn't focus on the timeline which alone might have been good enough to have got his client off.. [Post edited 23 Oct 2020 8:27]
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so 2 barristers failed him including the one who has overturned numerous cases. |  | |  |
| Clydach murders on 09:08 - Oct 23 with 1971 views | britferry |
| Clydach murders on 00:04 - Oct 23 by Jack123 |
Interesting, I wasn't very impressed with the fella who come forward after all this time, I would guess that counts for nothing!
But I wasn't aware of the bloody handprint found, that made me think. Surely some top guy could make sense of the handprint and either rule out morris, or prove his guilt beyond doubt. |
the defence expert, for the hand-print, was used in the first trial but not the 2nd, so obviously this piece of evidence wasn't suppressed by the Cops | |
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| Clydach murders on 09:24 - Oct 23 with 1961 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Clydach murders on 09:08 - Oct 23 by britferry |
the defence expert, for the hand-print, was used in the first trial but not the 2nd, so obviously this piece of evidence wasn't suppressed by the Cops |
Mansfield’s mistake maybe? Or one of them? |  |
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| Clydach murders on 09:30 - Oct 23 with 1952 views | trampie |
| Clydach murders on 09:01 - Oct 23 by exhmrc1 |
so 2 barristers failed him including the one who has overturned numerous cases. |
Yes indeed, timeline may have well have got him off, they should have majored on the Grandmother been killed first and subsequent timeline as a result of that. [Post edited 23 Oct 2020 9:49]
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| Clydach murders on 09:46 - Oct 23 with 1936 views | ItchySphincter |
| Clydach murders on 22:39 - Oct 22 by Highjack |
You misunderstand. The fact that so many people seem to be sticking by him and think he’s innocent despite knowing he’s a right horrible bastard suggests that there’s more to this than meets the eye. The normal reaction would be let him rot. |
I did ,fair point, but I would expect families or loved ones to give the benefit of the doubt if there is one, regardless of personality or previous behaviour. I can’t see him being exonerated TBH as there is undoubtedly conflict of interest so they’ll be working like mad to avoid that can of worms. |  |
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| Clydach murders on 09:50 - Oct 23 with 1928 views | pikeypaul |
Strange how the police were determined to ignore Mike the taxi drivers(barman in Mumbles the last few years,never talked to him about the case or knew he was involved) sighting of the two brothers walking towards the house at 2am .
Not followed up when he first reported it and also ignored when he reported it again a week later.
They are now saying they MAY ask him again about it 20 years later.You could not make it up. [Post edited 23 Oct 2020 9:56]
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| Clydach murders on 09:57 - Oct 23 with 1912 views | trampie |
| Clydach murders on 09:50 - Oct 23 by pikeypaul |
Strange how the police were determined to ignore Mike the taxi drivers(barman in Mumbles the last few years,never talked to him about the case or knew he was involved) sighting of the two brothers walking towards the house at 2am .
Not followed up when he first reported it and also ignored when he reported it again a week later.
They are now saying they MAY ask him again about it 20 years later.You could not make it up. [Post edited 23 Oct 2020 9:56]
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Yes indeed and without wishing to get too controversial the case stinkings of framing the debate at trial against Morris, of allowing evidence against him and not evidence for him, I wonder why ?.....hmm | |
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| Clydach murders on 10:24 - Oct 23 with 2144 views | onehunglow |
Disclosure is rather like a boxing match where one protagonist has one to allow his opponent to hit him first.
Why do you think Solicitors instruct to say no comment,although Morris did which is odd.
The Defence relies not on facts or truth but on documents that are shows to them,THEN a Barrister will CONSTRUCT a defence with a view to casting doubt and doubt i what is key.When you create doubt in minds,you have not guilty and rightly so. But please,don't talk about justice especially for victims. It does not exist.
As I see it,little last night to cast doubt on the conviction. We saw OPINIONS from variou boffins about what MIGHT have happened.Nothing at all concrete.
In a village the size of Clydach ,if Morris wasnt not guilty ,I d have thought by now someone else would by now have been outed at being responsible. The family must feel their loved ones bodies are being exhumed. Feel for them. | |
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| Clydach murders on 10:25 - Oct 23 with 2139 views | Whiterockin |
| Clydach murders on 09:57 - Oct 23 by trampie |
Yes indeed and without wishing to get too controversial the case stinkings of framing the debate at trial against Morris, of allowing evidence against him and not evidence for him, I wonder why ?.....hmm |
The way I see it not all the evidence was presented in court. So although he was convicted twice, as it was without all the evidence available for whatever reason, there has to be a re trial with all the evidence.
You could be kind and say the police were under immense pressure to get a conviction, any conviction. Or you could say there was a cover up.
I have no idea if he is guilty or not, but the full truth has to come out. This is owed to the family of the bereaved as well as the accused. |  | | |
| Clydach murders on 10:30 - Oct 23 with 2115 views | pikeypaul |
| Clydach murders on 10:24 - Oct 23 by onehunglow |
Disclosure is rather like a boxing match where one protagonist has one to allow his opponent to hit him first.
Why do you think Solicitors instruct to say no comment,although Morris did which is odd.
The Defence relies not on facts or truth but on documents that are shows to them,THEN a Barrister will CONSTRUCT a defence with a view to casting doubt and doubt i what is key.When you create doubt in minds,you have not guilty and rightly so. But please,don't talk about justice especially for victims. It does not exist.
As I see it,little last night to cast doubt on the conviction. We saw OPINIONS from variou boffins about what MIGHT have happened.Nothing at all concrete.
In a village the size of Clydach ,if Morris wasnt not guilty ,I d have thought by now someone else would by now have been outed at being responsible. The family must feel their loved ones bodies are being exhumed. Feel for them. |
The majority of people in Clydach believe they know the killer/killers you only need to talk to a few, very few think it was Morris.
Can you explain why the police continually ignored the taxi drivers sighting of the brothers around 2am? Although he reported it and followed up his witnessing them walking towards the house, when one claimed to be in bed and the other was on duty but did not know where since he lost his log book that night and could not say where he was for 3 hours? Very convenient don’t you think.
How often does a police officer lose his log book? [Post edited 23 Oct 2020 11:04]
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| Clydach murders on 10:30 - Oct 23 with 2125 views | onehunglow |
Depends how crucial is that which is disclosed.
This bring back memories for me and mine are skewed as it gives the Defence (in my opinion) an unfair advantage as they know exactly what the Prosecution is going to say so they can lay a trap for prosecution witnesses .
Its' a jungle in there WR,trust me. | |
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| Clydach murders on 10:31 - Oct 23 with 2122 views | trampie |
| Clydach murders on 10:25 - Oct 23 by Whiterockin |
The way I see it not all the evidence was presented in court. So although he was convicted twice, as it was without all the evidence available for whatever reason, there has to be a re trial with all the evidence.
You could be kind and say the police were under immense pressure to get a conviction, any conviction. Or you could say there was a cover up.
I have no idea if he is guilty or not, but the full truth has to come out. This is owed to the family of the bereaved as well as the accused. |
Totally agree. | |
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| Clydach murders on 16:51 - Oct 23 with 1983 views | ItchySphincter |
| Clydach murders on 09:57 - Oct 23 by trampie |
Yes indeed and without wishing to get too controversial the case stinkings of framing the debate at trial against Morris, of allowing evidence against him and not evidence for him, I wonder why ?.....hmm |
Lots of trials have ‘evidence’ rejected. I know someone who is currently serving time for a horrible crime of which he claims complete innocence. There is apparently certain evidence that was denied by the courts which he believes helps to build his defence but he cannot appeal unless new evidence is brought forward. | |
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| Clydach murders on 16:59 - Oct 23 with 1975 views | trampie |
| Clydach murders on 16:51 - Oct 23 by ItchySphincter |
Lots of trials have ‘evidence’ rejected. I know someone who is currently serving time for a horrible crime of which he claims complete innocence. There is apparently certain evidence that was denied by the courts which he believes helps to build his defence but he cannot appeal unless new evidence is brought forward. |
Exactly, this Clydach case apparently had a unusualy large amount of evidence not allowed to be presented, if it was a terrorist case or spies or nuclear weapons that would be one thing but it wasn't, but it could be argued that it did involve the police....hhm. | |
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| Clydach murders on 17:26 - Oct 23 with 1951 views | exhmrc1 |
| Clydach murders on 16:59 - Oct 23 by trampie |
Exactly, this Clydach case apparently had a unusualy large amount of evidence not allowed to be presented, if it was a terrorist case or spies or nuclear weapons that would be one thing but it wasn't, but it could be argued that it did involve the police....hhm. |
Do you believe that someone who has drunk 8 pints is likely to be walking 9 miles and no one seeing him.
Do you believe that on the one occasion a serving cop in civies walks over a lonely mountain road at 4am in the morning a guy who has form with the police happens to be coming the opposite way and only comes forward 20 years later.
Do you think that no one would notice someone not wearing a very distinctive chain they also wore when in the pub.
According to the Morris team all these happened.
In addition he denied being upstairs in the house until the chain he supposedly left there was found upstairs.
This was the chain he constantly denied was his and even got someone else to buy another for him to cover up it wasnt his in the house.
These are just a few things. There was a trial lasted 11 weeks and last nights programme lasted an hour. There was much the jurors saw that we didnt. | | | |
| Clydach murders on 17:35 - Oct 23 with 1937 views | onehunglow |
If they know,then why haven't they come out with it.
I lost a note book once .It happens. We used to carry them around,when on unifrom patrol anyway and like anything else it can be . It is far more concerning if CID lost their books. They are actually an aide memoir from which one transribes a statement .One should never make a statement the contents of which are not in a note book as it gives a barriter a lever to to open you up.
Thank FOOK it i well behind me.Im not sure how I ever served so long in the job,a job that sees you hammered from the public and inside the police force itself as it is anything but a united front as police are full of back stabbers.
Now ,wait for my book on direct selling come out | |
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| Clydach murders on 18:41 - Oct 23 with 1892 views | Neath_Jack |
| Clydach murders on 17:26 - Oct 23 by exhmrc1 |
Do you believe that someone who has drunk 8 pints is likely to be walking 9 miles and no one seeing him.
Do you believe that on the one occasion a serving cop in civies walks over a lonely mountain road at 4am in the morning a guy who has form with the police happens to be coming the opposite way and only comes forward 20 years later.
Do you think that no one would notice someone not wearing a very distinctive chain they also wore when in the pub.
According to the Morris team all these happened.
In addition he denied being upstairs in the house until the chain he supposedly left there was found upstairs.
This was the chain he constantly denied was his and even got someone else to buy another for him to cover up it wasnt his in the house.
These are just a few things. There was a trial lasted 11 weeks and last nights programme lasted an hour. There was much the jurors saw that we didnt. |
I'm going to jump in here...
Point 1, someone drinking 8 pints and a bit of whizz, makes no difference to someone seeing him or not. What is your reasoning there? He could have walked along the river bank for a start.
Personally, I wouldn't pay much notice to the guy who sat on it for 20 years, but, there's nothing wrong with being on a mountain at 4am. We used to do it as teenagers all the time. Go up there out of the way, do a load of magic mushrooms, or smoke some spliffs and cans. Out of the way of everyone. No issues with that at all. It's obviously not part of your lifestyle, even as a youngster, so would seem alien to you.
The distinctive chain, and a witness saying they remembered his not wearing it in the pub. Over ONE YEAR later? Absolutely no chance! Are you telling me you can remember what jewellery someone had on in a pub over a year ago? Nonsense.
I'm going to take a stab here and assume that you have never been arrested. Trust me, if you think saying something is going to get you out of the police station quickly, you'll say it. Yes that is a bad idea, but that is what happens. Especially so if you are panicking about the seriousness of the allegations against you. Don't forget, he was trying to cover up the fact that he was carrying on, don't under estimate what that will make a man say.
I'm not saying he is innocent or guilty, I genuinely don't know. |  |
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| Clydach murders on 19:52 - Oct 23 with 1834 views | Garyjack |
| Clydach murders on 18:41 - Oct 23 by Neath_Jack |
I'm going to jump in here...
Point 1, someone drinking 8 pints and a bit of whizz, makes no difference to someone seeing him or not. What is your reasoning there? He could have walked along the river bank for a start.
Personally, I wouldn't pay much notice to the guy who sat on it for 20 years, but, there's nothing wrong with being on a mountain at 4am. We used to do it as teenagers all the time. Go up there out of the way, do a load of magic mushrooms, or smoke some spliffs and cans. Out of the way of everyone. No issues with that at all. It's obviously not part of your lifestyle, even as a youngster, so would seem alien to you.
The distinctive chain, and a witness saying they remembered his not wearing it in the pub. Over ONE YEAR later? Absolutely no chance! Are you telling me you can remember what jewellery someone had on in a pub over a year ago? Nonsense.
I'm going to take a stab here and assume that you have never been arrested. Trust me, if you think saying something is going to get you out of the police station quickly, you'll say it. Yes that is a bad idea, but that is what happens. Especially so if you are panicking about the seriousness of the allegations against you. Don't forget, he was trying to cover up the fact that he was carrying on, don't under estimate what that will make a man say.
I'm not saying he is innocent or guilty, I genuinely don't know. |
What! Are you seriously implying that a man who was being accused of 4 horrific murders would lie in interview because he didn't want his girlfriend to find out he was shagging someone else, if he was innocent! Dear god! 
He's guilty, and anyone who is anyone in Clydach will tell you the same, plus two juries and an appeal court. |  | | |
| Clydach murders on 19:56 - Oct 23 with 1823 views | Neath_Jack |
| Clydach murders on 19:52 - Oct 23 by Garyjack |
What! Are you seriously implying that a man who was being accused of 4 horrific murders would lie in interview because he didn't want his girlfriend to find out he was shagging someone else, if he was innocent! Dear god!
He's guilty, and anyone who is anyone in Clydach will tell you the same, plus two juries and an appeal court. |
I am yeah.
Especially so if he knew that he didn't commit the murders, and was expecting to be back down his local quick sharp.
The only person in the world who knows who the killer(s) are, is the killer(s) themselves. | |
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| Clydach murders on 20:05 - Oct 23 with 1806 views | Garyjack |
| Clydach murders on 19:56 - Oct 23 by Neath_Jack |
I am yeah.
Especially so if he knew that he didn't commit the murders, and was expecting to be back down his local quick sharp.
The only person in the world who knows who the killer(s) are, is the killer(s) themselves. |
This wasn't some burglary or robbery we are talking about here. It was the systematic cold blooded killing of three generations of the same family. If you are innocent, then telling the truth is more likely to get you 'back down the local' than telling a pack of lies! | | | |
| Clydach murders on 20:07 - Oct 23 with 1799 views | Neath_Jack |
| Clydach murders on 20:05 - Oct 23 by Garyjack |
This wasn't some burglary or robbery we are talking about here. It was the systematic cold blooded killing of three generations of the same family. If you are innocent, then telling the truth is more likely to get you 'back down the local' than telling a pack of lies! |
Since when does a career criminal tell the truth in a police interview? | |
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| Clydach murders on 20:16 - Oct 23 with 1786 views | Garyjack |
| Clydach murders on 20:07 - Oct 23 by Neath_Jack |
Since when does a career criminal tell the truth in a police interview? |
When he's innocent?  | | | |
| Clydach murders on 20:16 - Oct 23 with 1783 views | Tim_Harry |
| Clydach murders on 19:56 - Oct 23 by Neath_Jack |
I am yeah.
Especially so if he knew that he didn't commit the murders, and was expecting to be back down his local quick sharp.
The only person in the world who knows who the killer(s) are, is the killer(s) themselves. |
So you've cheated on your missus. You've left your chain in the other woman's house, as you do. Also, this is the woman that a little bit earlier you were heard slagging off in a public place. Then someone else kills that woman.
So when the Police interview you a couple of years later, your first thought is not letting your missus find out about cheating on her?
Aye, that sounds right! |  | | |
| Clydach murders on 20:22 - Oct 23 with 1762 views | Andy1300 |
How could he have cleaned that house so well on his own? It was the Lewis family, the wife used to be I. Forensics, didn’t she? Wasn’t she also proficient in the martial arts!
So many inconsistencies in this case, hence why these programmes keep popping up. |  |
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