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This will be the first election that I have no idea who to vote for, will never vote Tory again after the lies during covid where my dad lost his life, don’t trust starmer, would never vote for a bunch of racists like reform , anyone give me a clue?
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favourite cheese mature Cheddar. FFS there is no such thing as the EPL
Pro-Climate change is similar to Pro-Smokers in the 70's.
The actual scientists did way more research against the bad scientists (often funded by Big Tabacco) who only produced minimal amounts of pathetic research that was, over many years, finally and wholly debunked.
Even then, people would say it's all about nothing and smoking is fine; it has to do with something else. Also, these obscure scientists who have been rejected by the evidence and their peers were trotted out as an example of an alternative view. Yes, it was an alternative; it was wrong!
We had to spend decades educating (what some would call fear I call honesty), billions of monies and people's lives were lost, proving to these naysayers that, no, actually, smoking is horrible for you. For these pro-smokers to finally say, yeah, well, it is terrible, but it's my choice. And then we had to spend more decades, more billions and losing more lives proving passive smoking was bad, too. There were lots of rubbish scientists who were in the minority defending that one as well.
Then we had the afters of polluted air affecting asthmatics and even people with healthy lungs, but that was all apparently made up or wrong too.
Its always he same, the majority of the science industry gets it correct the majority of the time (not always), yet these naysayers just cannot fathom the change. It's everyone else being wrong somehow, yet they have no real evidence from no real credible sources (as they often get debunked). And yet more decades, billions and peoples lives will be lost.
Really, you have to question, are these people in the best interests of the majority? Can they not understand they are not the experts? That they have not done research properly? And it is up to them to prove it wrong not the other way around? Not just be a naysayer because, once again, they cannot accept that the science is against them?
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General Election Thread on 16:01 - Jun 16 with 1996 views
General Election Thread on 15:14 - Jun 16 by stevec
Absolutely spot on.
And while we’ve been neutering ourselves pontificating over this subject we’ve got poorer whilst the countries that ignored the climate change agenda have become so wealthy that they have effectively gained almost total domination over us economically and militarily.
It’s complete madness.
Now I'm really confused because earlier I thought it was suggested we were doing better than other countries because of Brexit, now we're worse off because of net zero targets. Can't be bothered and if we are worse off how much of that is due to net zero and how much is Brexit?
I think the biggest error we've made as a nation was in 2010 when the lib dems wanted to invest in green energy to make us a world leader. But that was the era of austerity being the solution and investment being a waste of money. I've recently looked into solar panels and batteries for our house and most of the PVs come from china, one company offered us Spanish PVs. The batteries were all Chinese and one of the companies only set up in 2019.
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General Election Thread on 16:42 - Jun 16 with 1939 views
I find it hard that people can deny man-made climate change, in the face of so much scientific evidence. I don't think UK, alone, can make a huge difference. However, if you accept that climate change is real, then it makes sense to try and do something about it, however limited. UK has not really invested in renewables to the extent necessary. Maybe, transitioning from fossil fuels (coal, oil and gas) is the correct approach. Can it bring sufficient jobs and make a tangible impact? I don't have the answers, but I'm sure therre are experts out there who can.
Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the Earth all one’s lifetime. (Mark Twain)
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General Election Thread on 20:06 - Jun 16 with 1825 views
General Election Thread on 16:01 - Jun 16 by stevec
Where’s the Momentum boys and girls taken their politics now they’ve been largely kicked out of Labour, Baz?
Most will vote Labour (under protest), some will vote Green, a small minority will vote independents / TUSC / WPGB.
The overstatement of Momentum’s politics always makes me chuckle. I went to loads of events and it was as tame as a WI meeting, and probably the same age bracket.
A journalist infiltrated once, and didn’t even bother writing the article it was so non controversial.
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General Election Thread on 22:54 - Jun 16 with 1667 views
General Election Thread on 16:42 - Jun 16 by derbyhoop
I find it hard that people can deny man-made climate change, in the face of so much scientific evidence. I don't think UK, alone, can make a huge difference. However, if you accept that climate change is real, then it makes sense to try and do something about it, however limited. UK has not really invested in renewables to the extent necessary. Maybe, transitioning from fossil fuels (coal, oil and gas) is the correct approach. Can it bring sufficient jobs and make a tangible impact? I don't have the answers, but I'm sure therre are experts out there who can.
In all fairness why would you care about WTF the UK does?
Cherish and enjoy life.... this ain't no dress rehearsal
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General Election Thread on 23:38 - Jun 16 with 1629 views
The Reform candidate for Essex North West has been forced to stand down as it has emerged he has previously urged people to vote BNP and suggested Tony Blair be extradited to a country that uses torture. Nice chap…..
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General Election Thread on 23:49 - Jun 16 with 1597 views
General Election Thread on 23:38 - Jun 16 by 222gers
The Reform candidate for Essex North West has been forced to stand down as it has emerged he has previously urged people to vote BNP and suggested Tony Blair be extradited to a country that uses torture. Nice chap…..
On the bright side he stays on the ballot so can still nick a few votes off the Tories. I suspect if some digging was done on every hastily appointed Reform candidate this would look pretty tame in comparison to most.
General Election Thread on 23:49 - Jun 16 by Watford_Ranger
On the bright side he stays on the ballot so can still nick a few votes off the Tories. I suspect if some digging was done on every hastily appointed Reform candidate this would look pretty tame in comparison to most.
I've been trying to marry my daughter off for some time…..he seems the right sort of chappy, the right sort of background ( pronounced “ beckgrind ).
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General Election Thread on 09:24 - Jun 17 with 1412 views
I for one can only hope those paragons of virtue that are the phalanx of Labour and Tory party mp's, councillors, Mayor's, House of lords members and electorial candidates for public office that have faced charges of child grooming, sexual assault, GBH, threats with menance and various fiscal frauds of the public purse over the past few years, can stand shoulder to shoulder today and condem this reform candidates tweet in the most vigorous of terms.
Alas lads i'm off to Puerto de Mogan in Gran Canaria in a couple of hours until satuday evening for my wifes 5oth birthday celebrations to see the bees and things and flowers.
However , i can be contacted via western union transcontiental telegram at the Raddison Blu hotel , Puerto de Mogan , should any further tweets from 2015 be unearthed about a reform candidates 3rd cousin twice removed attendance at a 1999 charity dinner for white south african farmers, hosted by Eugene Terre'Blanche.
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".... You are the... Duke of New York... You're A-Number One!".
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General Election Thread on 11:26 - Jun 17 with 1305 views
General Election Thread on 09:24 - Jun 17 by Discodroids
I for one can only hope those paragons of virtue that are the phalanx of Labour and Tory party mp's, councillors, Mayor's, House of lords members and electorial candidates for public office that have faced charges of child grooming, sexual assault, GBH, threats with menance and various fiscal frauds of the public purse over the past few years, can stand shoulder to shoulder today and condem this reform candidates tweet in the most vigorous of terms.
Alas lads i'm off to Puerto de Mogan in Gran Canaria in a couple of hours until satuday evening for my wifes 5oth birthday celebrations to see the bees and things and flowers.
However , i can be contacted via western union transcontiental telegram at the Raddison Blu hotel , Puerto de Mogan , should any further tweets from 2015 be unearthed about a reform candidates 3rd cousin twice removed attendance at a 1999 charity dinner for white south african farmers, hosted by Eugene Terre'Blanche.
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You will love this one then from 2012.
Smells like a trout farm in here
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General Election Thread on 12:17 - Jun 17 with 3258 views
General Election Thread on 20:06 - Jun 16 by BazzaInTheLoft
Most will vote Labour (under protest), some will vote Green, a small minority will vote independents / TUSC / WPGB.
The overstatement of Momentum’s politics always makes me chuckle. I went to loads of events and it was as tame as a WI meeting, and probably the same age bracket.
A journalist infiltrated once, and didn’t even bother writing the article it was so non controversial.
I don't see how a Momentum supporter could vote Labour considering their vindictive opprobrium towards Corbyn. You're essentially voting for a genocide-enabling party with Jeffrey Epstein's mate pulling the strings behind the scenes.
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General Election Thread on 13:50 - Jun 17 with 3091 views
After his tirade against Starmer, Lansman arrives at the following conclusion:
'But Lansman also said that he did not think Corbyn should stand for parliament as an independent at the next election. He said he thought Corbyn would have more influence if he remained a Labour member. And Lansman said he would not campaign for Corbyn if he did run as an independent because he wanted Starmer to win the election.'
Air hostess clique
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General Election Thread on 14:08 - Jun 17 with 3062 views
Yes, there is climate change which is natural but plenty of peer reviewed studies, by independent and unrelated organisations, have allowed for all natural influences and concluded that man-made greenhouse gas emissions are to blame.
Please bear in mind that because the issue is *global* temperatures, ice fairs on a frozen Thames or Roman vineyards in England are not significant.
Dealing with climate change with also help enormously with the immigration crisis because there are currently 200m people living in coastal cities and because it will enable people to carry on earning a living as pastoralists - I believe this is the occupation employing the most people globally - rather having to move to a city because rising temperatures and changing rainfall patterns make farming difficult or impossible.
We already have a village in the UK which will be lost to rising sea levels, Fairbourne, and more will follow. Richard Tice has said sea walls should be built but the cost is prohibitive; an article in Geographical magazine over a decade ago quoted Environment Agency figures for sea defences of £5000 per metre, yes, per metre.
We are doing reasonably well in the UK in terms of renewable energy but can do better. Putting green and health concerns to one side, if we could become self-sufficient in renewable energy, we would improve the resilience of our economy because we would no longer be reliant on imported nuclear or fossil fuels.
Over 30% of global energy is now being supplied by renewables and some countries are streaking ahead: in the first quarter of 2024, Portugal produced 91% of its electricity using renewables.
"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."
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General Election Thread on 14:11 - Jun 17 with 3045 views
After his tirade against Starmer, Lansman arrives at the following conclusion:
'But Lansman also said that he did not think Corbyn should stand for parliament as an independent at the next election. He said he thought Corbyn would have more influence if he remained a Labour member. And Lansman said he would not campaign for Corbyn if he did run as an independent because he wanted Starmer to win the election.'
Lansman could have an argument in an empty room. As reliable as a chocolate fireplace.
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General Election Thread on 03:58 - Jun 18 with 2701 views
General Election Thread on 16:42 - Jun 16 by derbyhoop
I find it hard that people can deny man-made climate change, in the face of so much scientific evidence. I don't think UK, alone, can make a huge difference. However, if you accept that climate change is real, then it makes sense to try and do something about it, however limited. UK has not really invested in renewables to the extent necessary. Maybe, transitioning from fossil fuels (coal, oil and gas) is the correct approach. Can it bring sufficient jobs and make a tangible impact? I don't have the answers, but I'm sure therre are experts out there who can.
Plenty of online experts with no scientific background (but degrees in facebook groups, "university of life" etc) convinced that it is all made up and climate scientists are in it for themselves. Meanwhile not a hint of the fossil fuel industry perhaps being slightly conflicted. Same here in Australia were the fossil fuel industry is very powerful and basically has the current leader of the opposition on strings.
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General Election Thread on 14:08 - Jun 18 with 2506 views
General Election Thread on 14:08 - Jun 18 by Sonofpugwash
Climate Change biggest money laundering scam to sit alongside Covid and Ukraine. Always follow the money.
Here come the tin hat brigade. Let me guess, everything is a deep state conspiracy led by the global elite, with their zionist backers, to depopulate the world by either killing us with vaccines or controlling us with 5G. That doesn't include the reptilian alien hybrids who are in contact with all major governments to create a new world order. The reptilians currently live under Denver Airport conducting experiments on abducted humans to create new hybrids. I think that covers most of it.
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General Election Thread on 16:12 - Jun 18 with 2343 views
Even if climate change was a hoax (it isn’t), surely getting your energy from literal fresh air or the sun is a worthwhile endeavour rather than sending people down mines or living on oil rigs in the most volatile seas in the world?
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General Election Thread on 16:42 - Jun 18 with 2303 views
General Election Thread on 16:34 - Jun 18 by BazzaInTheLoft
Even if climate change was a hoax (it isn’t), surely getting your energy from literal fresh air or the sun is a worthwhile endeavour rather than sending people down mines or living on oil rigs in the most volatile seas in the world?
In a nation surrounded by seas, it is unforgivable to not be utilising wave power generators to provide electricity. Once past the manufacturing, and any impact caused by installation/ end of life removal stage, you are looking at 100% clean electricity provision. A lot appear to be conflating a normal rate of climate change with the currently observed much higher rate of change.
The grass is always greener.
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General Election Thread on 16:53 - Jun 18 with 2291 views
Intrigued, who is laundering dirty money in solar panels?
Interestingly, I've recently discovered that you can invest money in green energy and it becomes inheritance tax free after two years rather than the usual 7 years you'd have to wait if you gifted money. Not saying that has anything to do with climate change but there are definitely some incentives to invest in green energy from a tax point of view.
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General Election Thread on 11:38 - Jun 19 with 1905 views
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