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English people booing the gesture to support black people and racial equality tonight at M'boro, sounded like the vast majority of the English supporters as well.
Should teams refuse to play England, or should England be banned from the Euros ?
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English booing taking the knee. on 08:41 - Jun 3 by Thornburyswan
I see that & you make some fair points on it being fans choice but for me firstly the taking the knee is not about the BLM movement - accept it came from there - but a wider anti-racism campaign.
Nobody is lecturing anyone so not sure where that comes from the players & the club are not even asking us to do anything they are just showing their collective support for anti-racism. I guess if you don’t agree with that fine.
Politics & sport are unfortunately inextricably linked these days, that’s what ££££££ does, just look at FIFA, EUFA, Olympics etc etc - not sure we can go back to the good old days with jumpers for goal posts now.
The booing bit always puzzles me as to boo any of our players before/during a game has, in my 40 years of watching the game, never improved a player or team’s performance - have seen it motivate the opposition mind - so for me booing should be used selectively & always after the final whistle. But that’s just me of course.
Thanks for the polite response. Some things to think about...
” I see that & you make some fair points on it being fans choice but for me firstly the taking the knee is not about the BLM movement - accept it came from there - but a wider anti-racism campaign. ”
This is what a lot of people are doing these days, trying to rewrite the initial narrative to make it more palatable to the public. We had already done anti-racism campaigns and every club, business and institution already had policies on racism...this kneeling was not part of a “wider anti-racism campaign”. It was for BLM. A direct response to the events of last summer, it is why Sky Sports has a little ‘Black Lives Matter’ logo in the top corner of the screen. The people booing are rejecting the politicisation of their club, their sport and their leisure time with the kids by the supporters of the political movement BLM...as is is their right.
” nobody is lecturing anyone so not sure where that comes from the players & the club are not even asking us to do anything they are just showing their collective support for anti-racism. I guess if you don’t agree with that fine. “
1 - yes we are being lectured, by the players, by the media and by our club...this extends to those who support BLM lecturing their fellow fans as can be seen on this thread...apparently if you don’t agree you are not welcome at the Swans. Try to imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and how you would feel about your club and fellow fans in those circumstances.
2 - you have done what this insidious movement set out to do (at the end of this paragraph. Namely ‘if you have a problem with this then I guess you just don’t support anti-racism (and are, by extension, a racist)”. The movement is simply a tool to enable one group of people to continually label another group of people “racist”. This is slander.
” Politics & sport are unfortunately inextricably linked these days, that’s what ££££££ does, just look at FIFA, EUFA, Olympics etc etc - not sure we can go back to the good old days with jumpers for goal posts now.”
Oh really, as I don’t recall the game tolerating players supporting political movements before last year. I remember fines and sanctions. The governing bodies can impose the rules if they wish, is the truth. They have been politically cowed into holding this movement to a different standard, as to act would be “racist” (see above).
” The booing bit always puzzles me as to boo any of our players before/during a game has, in my 40 years of watching the game, never improved a player or team’s performance - have seen it motivate the opposition mind - so for me booing should be used selectively & always after the final whistle. But that’s just me of course.”
The fans boo as the players make the political statement that the vast majority don’t agree with, it makes perfect sense...to boo after the game would allow people to kid themselves that they were booing the performance and not the political statement. Anyway, why should players engaged in making unpopular political statements, breaking the rules about bringing politics into sport and engaged in lecturing the people who pay their wages expect our support? They don’t respect us. They need to grow up.
"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it"
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English booing taking the knee. on 09:48 - Jun 3 with 1288 views
English booing taking the knee. on 09:29 - Jun 3 by Ajack_Kerouac
Thanks for the polite response. Some things to think about...
” I see that & you make some fair points on it being fans choice but for me firstly the taking the knee is not about the BLM movement - accept it came from there - but a wider anti-racism campaign. ”
This is what a lot of people are doing these days, trying to rewrite the initial narrative to make it more palatable to the public. We had already done anti-racism campaigns and every club, business and institution already had policies on racism...this kneeling was not part of a “wider anti-racism campaign”. It was for BLM. A direct response to the events of last summer, it is why Sky Sports has a little ‘Black Lives Matter’ logo in the top corner of the screen. The people booing are rejecting the politicisation of their club, their sport and their leisure time with the kids by the supporters of the political movement BLM...as is is their right.
” nobody is lecturing anyone so not sure where that comes from the players & the club are not even asking us to do anything they are just showing their collective support for anti-racism. I guess if you don’t agree with that fine. “
1 - yes we are being lectured, by the players, by the media and by our club...this extends to those who support BLM lecturing their fellow fans as can be seen on this thread...apparently if you don’t agree you are not welcome at the Swans. Try to imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and how you would feel about your club and fellow fans in those circumstances.
2 - you have done what this insidious movement set out to do (at the end of this paragraph. Namely ‘if you have a problem with this then I guess you just don’t support anti-racism (and are, by extension, a racist)”. The movement is simply a tool to enable one group of people to continually label another group of people “racist”. This is slander.
” Politics & sport are unfortunately inextricably linked these days, that’s what ££££££ does, just look at FIFA, EUFA, Olympics etc etc - not sure we can go back to the good old days with jumpers for goal posts now.”
Oh really, as I don’t recall the game tolerating players supporting political movements before last year. I remember fines and sanctions. The governing bodies can impose the rules if they wish, is the truth. They have been politically cowed into holding this movement to a different standard, as to act would be “racist” (see above).
” The booing bit always puzzles me as to boo any of our players before/during a game has, in my 40 years of watching the game, never improved a player or team’s performance - have seen it motivate the opposition mind - so for me booing should be used selectively & always after the final whistle. But that’s just me of course.”
The fans boo as the players make the political statement that the vast majority don’t agree with, it makes perfect sense...to boo after the game would allow people to kid themselves that they were booing the performance and not the political statement. Anyway, why should players engaged in making unpopular political statements, breaking the rules about bringing politics into sport and engaged in lecturing the people who pay their wages expect our support? They don’t respect us. They need to grow up.
Just brilliant critique that is how the majority of this country feel,although they would never admit so, because of social /media pressure.People feel demonised and this is very insidious.
Not being flippant but Conservative voters are not welcome,apparently,in a whole town. How's that for intolerance.
It appears that many fans consider booing a foreign anthem shocking but support go ape when there is a gesture supporting equality. Brentford also stood. Perhaps it’s an English thing.
English booing taking the knee. on 09:29 - Jun 3 by Ajack_Kerouac
Thanks for the polite response. Some things to think about...
” I see that & you make some fair points on it being fans choice but for me firstly the taking the knee is not about the BLM movement - accept it came from there - but a wider anti-racism campaign. ”
This is what a lot of people are doing these days, trying to rewrite the initial narrative to make it more palatable to the public. We had already done anti-racism campaigns and every club, business and institution already had policies on racism...this kneeling was not part of a “wider anti-racism campaign”. It was for BLM. A direct response to the events of last summer, it is why Sky Sports has a little ‘Black Lives Matter’ logo in the top corner of the screen. The people booing are rejecting the politicisation of their club, their sport and their leisure time with the kids by the supporters of the political movement BLM...as is is their right.
” nobody is lecturing anyone so not sure where that comes from the players & the club are not even asking us to do anything they are just showing their collective support for anti-racism. I guess if you don’t agree with that fine. “
1 - yes we are being lectured, by the players, by the media and by our club...this extends to those who support BLM lecturing their fellow fans as can be seen on this thread...apparently if you don’t agree you are not welcome at the Swans. Try to imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and how you would feel about your club and fellow fans in those circumstances.
2 - you have done what this insidious movement set out to do (at the end of this paragraph. Namely ‘if you have a problem with this then I guess you just don’t support anti-racism (and are, by extension, a racist)”. The movement is simply a tool to enable one group of people to continually label another group of people “racist”. This is slander.
” Politics & sport are unfortunately inextricably linked these days, that’s what ££££££ does, just look at FIFA, EUFA, Olympics etc etc - not sure we can go back to the good old days with jumpers for goal posts now.”
Oh really, as I don’t recall the game tolerating players supporting political movements before last year. I remember fines and sanctions. The governing bodies can impose the rules if they wish, is the truth. They have been politically cowed into holding this movement to a different standard, as to act would be “racist” (see above).
” The booing bit always puzzles me as to boo any of our players before/during a game has, in my 40 years of watching the game, never improved a player or team’s performance - have seen it motivate the opposition mind - so for me booing should be used selectively & always after the final whistle. But that’s just me of course.”
The fans boo as the players make the political statement that the vast majority don’t agree with, it makes perfect sense...to boo after the game would allow people to kid themselves that they were booing the performance and not the political statement. Anyway, why should players engaged in making unpopular political statements, breaking the rules about bringing politics into sport and engaged in lecturing the people who pay their wages expect our support? They don’t respect us. They need to grow up.
Decent response that Kerouac but I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree - on your points :-
BLM - agree that the initial ‘taking the knee’ came out of the worldwide response led by BLM & the media on the unlawful killing of George Floyd which led to all sorts of organisations large & small taking a stance & trying to evolve a strategy to counteract racism & encourage diversity. I personally don’t care whether the players take the knee, stand upright or wear kick it out t-shirts in the warm-up (which they have done for years) but I do support the intention & still do not see how booing it achieves anything. Just to be crystal clear I do not support BLM, it’s ALM for me, but I 100% support the anti-racism message.
Lecturing - not sure how anyone could say anything or listen to anything or read anything without seeing it as ‘being lectured’ if you see 22 people bending down as being lectured. As I think, maybe I missed it, I said earlier I have no issue with anyone ignoring it - for me the players are showing their stance - & I for one do not see that as you being less of a Jack & not welcome, although I do think the media portray it as such which then pressurises clubs/ managers to decry it.
I won’t comment on your last two points as they return to the anti BLM political movement points which I have sympathy with - I do think the ‘taking the knee’ has run it’s course & the new season would be an ideal time to move on to a different approach.
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English booing taking the knee. on 10:59 - Jun 3 with 1250 views
English booing taking the knee. on 08:41 - Jun 3 by Thornburyswan
I see that & you make some fair points on it being fans choice but for me firstly the taking the knee is not about the BLM movement - accept it came from there - but a wider anti-racism campaign.
Nobody is lecturing anyone so not sure where that comes from the players & the club are not even asking us to do anything they are just showing their collective support for anti-racism. I guess if you don’t agree with that fine.
Politics & sport are unfortunately inextricably linked these days, that’s what ££££££ does, just look at FIFA, EUFA, Olympics etc etc - not sure we can go back to the good old days with jumpers for goal posts now.
The booing bit always puzzles me as to boo any of our players before/during a game has, in my 40 years of watching the game, never improved a player or team’s performance - have seen it motivate the opposition mind - so for me booing should be used selectively & always after the final whistle. But that’s just me of course.
Of course, the key and most telling part of that is the... ''for me'' part.
When people have to interpret something themselves, you are going to run into an awful lot of issues with it. What it means to some, it doesn't to others. Ignoring the obvious links to attach a personal, more palatable, meaning onto it is not going to get universal acknowledgement.
So what some are booing, isn't the same as what others ''think'' they are booing as it means different things to different people. If you asked 10 people what the knee meant, you would get 10 different answers probably.
Which is why we take it back to the common sense view stated ad nauseum from months ago, if its genuinely about racial equality then don't use the politically affiliated gestures.
Then there would be pretty much complete agreement with whatever anyone is doing. But if everyone agreed, then there wouldn't be anything to fight against, so I'm not entirely sure that's the objective for some.
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Swansea Independent Poster of the Year 2021 and 2022.
English booing taking the knee. on 09:29 - Jun 3 by Ajack_Kerouac
Thanks for the polite response. Some things to think about...
” I see that & you make some fair points on it being fans choice but for me firstly the taking the knee is not about the BLM movement - accept it came from there - but a wider anti-racism campaign. ”
This is what a lot of people are doing these days, trying to rewrite the initial narrative to make it more palatable to the public. We had already done anti-racism campaigns and every club, business and institution already had policies on racism...this kneeling was not part of a “wider anti-racism campaign”. It was for BLM. A direct response to the events of last summer, it is why Sky Sports has a little ‘Black Lives Matter’ logo in the top corner of the screen. The people booing are rejecting the politicisation of their club, their sport and their leisure time with the kids by the supporters of the political movement BLM...as is is their right.
” nobody is lecturing anyone so not sure where that comes from the players & the club are not even asking us to do anything they are just showing their collective support for anti-racism. I guess if you don’t agree with that fine. “
1 - yes we are being lectured, by the players, by the media and by our club...this extends to those who support BLM lecturing their fellow fans as can be seen on this thread...apparently if you don’t agree you are not welcome at the Swans. Try to imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and how you would feel about your club and fellow fans in those circumstances.
2 - you have done what this insidious movement set out to do (at the end of this paragraph. Namely ‘if you have a problem with this then I guess you just don’t support anti-racism (and are, by extension, a racist)”. The movement is simply a tool to enable one group of people to continually label another group of people “racist”. This is slander.
” Politics & sport are unfortunately inextricably linked these days, that’s what ££££££ does, just look at FIFA, EUFA, Olympics etc etc - not sure we can go back to the good old days with jumpers for goal posts now.”
Oh really, as I don’t recall the game tolerating players supporting political movements before last year. I remember fines and sanctions. The governing bodies can impose the rules if they wish, is the truth. They have been politically cowed into holding this movement to a different standard, as to act would be “racist” (see above).
” The booing bit always puzzles me as to boo any of our players before/during a game has, in my 40 years of watching the game, never improved a player or team’s performance - have seen it motivate the opposition mind - so for me booing should be used selectively & always after the final whistle. But that’s just me of course.”
The fans boo as the players make the political statement that the vast majority don’t agree with, it makes perfect sense...to boo after the game would allow people to kid themselves that they were booing the performance and not the political statement. Anyway, why should players engaged in making unpopular political statements, breaking the rules about bringing politics into sport and engaged in lecturing the people who pay their wages expect our support? They don’t respect us. They need to grow up.
So do you think black players who get racial abuse on social media should just get on with it?
Do you think that they are allowed to protest against this abuse to educate fans?
If you think that they can make a protest then do you think that the form of protest should be one that supporters who are predominantly white think is acceptable?
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English booing taking the knee. on 11:28 - Jun 3 with 1234 views
English booing taking the knee. on 09:29 - Jun 3 by Ajack_Kerouac
Thanks for the polite response. Some things to think about...
” I see that & you make some fair points on it being fans choice but for me firstly the taking the knee is not about the BLM movement - accept it came from there - but a wider anti-racism campaign. ”
This is what a lot of people are doing these days, trying to rewrite the initial narrative to make it more palatable to the public. We had already done anti-racism campaigns and every club, business and institution already had policies on racism...this kneeling was not part of a “wider anti-racism campaign”. It was for BLM. A direct response to the events of last summer, it is why Sky Sports has a little ‘Black Lives Matter’ logo in the top corner of the screen. The people booing are rejecting the politicisation of their club, their sport and their leisure time with the kids by the supporters of the political movement BLM...as is is their right.
” nobody is lecturing anyone so not sure where that comes from the players & the club are not even asking us to do anything they are just showing their collective support for anti-racism. I guess if you don’t agree with that fine. “
1 - yes we are being lectured, by the players, by the media and by our club...this extends to those who support BLM lecturing their fellow fans as can be seen on this thread...apparently if you don’t agree you are not welcome at the Swans. Try to imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and how you would feel about your club and fellow fans in those circumstances.
2 - you have done what this insidious movement set out to do (at the end of this paragraph. Namely ‘if you have a problem with this then I guess you just don’t support anti-racism (and are, by extension, a racist)”. The movement is simply a tool to enable one group of people to continually label another group of people “racist”. This is slander.
” Politics & sport are unfortunately inextricably linked these days, that’s what ££££££ does, just look at FIFA, EUFA, Olympics etc etc - not sure we can go back to the good old days with jumpers for goal posts now.”
Oh really, as I don’t recall the game tolerating players supporting political movements before last year. I remember fines and sanctions. The governing bodies can impose the rules if they wish, is the truth. They have been politically cowed into holding this movement to a different standard, as to act would be “racist” (see above).
” The booing bit always puzzles me as to boo any of our players before/during a game has, in my 40 years of watching the game, never improved a player or team’s performance - have seen it motivate the opposition mind - so for me booing should be used selectively & always after the final whistle. But that’s just me of course.”
The fans boo as the players make the political statement that the vast majority don’t agree with, it makes perfect sense...to boo after the game would allow people to kid themselves that they were booing the performance and not the political statement. Anyway, why should players engaged in making unpopular political statements, breaking the rules about bringing politics into sport and engaged in lecturing the people who pay their wages expect our support? They don’t respect us. They need to grow up.
When you say "The movement is simply a tool to enable one group of people to continually label another group of people “racist”." This is slander.
Are you talking about some Jewish groups ? and if you are not, does the same apply to some Jewish groups, labelling Corbyn and the left to prevent criticism of Israel and themselves.
You clearly think that BLM are using a tactic, do you think they learned this tactic from Zionist groups ? and do you think other groups in the future will use the same tactics to label opponents ?
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English booing taking the knee. on 11:28 - Jun 3 by trampie
When you say "The movement is simply a tool to enable one group of people to continually label another group of people “racist”." This is slander.
Are you talking about some Jewish groups ? and if you are not, does the same apply to some Jewish groups, labelling Corbyn and the left to prevent criticism of Israel and themselves.
You clearly think that BLM are using a tactic, do you think they learned this tactic from Zionist groups ? and do you think other groups in the future will use the same tactics to label opponents ?
What the hell are you talking about.
"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it"
English booing taking the knee. on 11:03 - Jun 3 by dobjack2
So do you think black players who get racial abuse on social media should just get on with it?
Do you think that they are allowed to protest against this abuse to educate fans?
If you think that they can make a protest then do you think that the form of protest should be one that supporters who are predominantly white think is acceptable?
I think there are rules in place on Social media and I think that people making racial slurs can be reported to the police...no matter which racial slur against whichever racial group (I have a nephew who has been racially abused on the football pitch whilst playing for the Swans, he is white they were black, it goes both ways.
I think that players have a media presence and can articulate their thoughts on any racial abuse they receive.
Do you think that fans should be allowed to educate players? Or does it just go one way? Perhaps I could educate some young players on the BLM movement.
I think that politics should be kept out of sport and no form of political protest or endorsement (of a political belief/system/regime) is acceptable from sports clubs.
"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it"
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English booing taking the knee. on 11:44 - Jun 3 with 1201 views
English booing taking the knee. on 11:34 - Jun 3 by Ajack_Kerouac
What the hell are you talking about.
One group trying to shut down debate by labelling another group racist, when the other group is not been racist at all they are merely legitimately criticising the aims and actions of a group that then goes on to label them.
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English booing taking the knee. on 11:44 - Jun 3 by trampie
One group trying to shut down debate by labelling another group racist, when the other group is not been racist at all they are merely legitimately criticising the aims and actions of a group that then goes on to label them.
I’m sorry, have our players ever been forced to kneel before every game for a year for such a group? Have you as a Swans fan been told you will support our endorsement of said such group or you are not welcome?
Do get back to me won’t you.
...oh, and please give concrete examples of the Jewish groups which trouble you.
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"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it"
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English booing taking the knee. on 11:51 - Jun 3 with 1181 views
English booing taking the knee. on 11:42 - Jun 3 by Ajack_Kerouac
I think there are rules in place on Social media and I think that people making racial slurs can be reported to the police...no matter which racial slur against whichever racial group (I have a nephew who has been racially abused on the football pitch whilst playing for the Swans, he is white they were black, it goes both ways.
I think that players have a media presence and can articulate their thoughts on any racial abuse they receive.
Do you think that fans should be allowed to educate players? Or does it just go one way? Perhaps I could educate some young players on the BLM movement.
I think that politics should be kept out of sport and no form of political protest or endorsement (of a political belief/system/regime) is acceptable from sports clubs.
I think we have very different views of the world.
By the way, what is your stance on poppies in shirts?
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English booing taking the knee. on 11:53 - Jun 3 with 1180 views
English booing taking the knee. on 11:47 - Jun 3 by Ajack_Kerouac
I’m sorry, have our players ever been forced to kneel before every game for a year for such a group? Have you as a Swans fan been told you will support our endorsement of said such group or you are not welcome?
Do get back to me won’t you.
...oh, and please give concrete examples of the Jewish groups which trouble you.
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The players are not forced to take the knee, some clubs and some players don't. I have not been told I have to endorse any group by Swansea City.
Do you see any similarities between BLM tactics and Zionist groups tactics, did BLM learn off Zionist groups, how to shut down debate and label opponents ?
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English booing taking the knee. on 11:53 - Jun 3 by trampie
The players are not forced to take the knee, some clubs and some players don't. I have not been told I have to endorse any group by Swansea City.
Do you see any similarities between BLM tactics and Zionist groups tactics, did BLM learn off Zionist groups, how to shut down debate and label opponents ?
Yes they are. What do you think the reaction would be if Jake Bidwell (for example) decided he wasn’t going to kneel this time?
All the campaigns Swansea City endorse are campaigns you agree with anyway, so you can’t see it.
My team endorses BLM every time they take the knee. Therefore I can’t support them. Just as you would not be able to support them if the team public ally backed one of these Jewish groups (you are so shy of naming) before every match. Which is exactly why politics does not belong in sport.
Name me one of these Zionist groups and we’ll talk about what BLM learned from them...
"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it"
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English booing taking the knee. on 12:11 - Jun 3 with 1163 views
English booing taking the knee. on 12:01 - Jun 3 by Ajack_Kerouac
Yes they are. What do you think the reaction would be if Jake Bidwell (for example) decided he wasn’t going to kneel this time?
All the campaigns Swansea City endorse are campaigns you agree with anyway, so you can’t see it.
My team endorses BLM every time they take the knee. Therefore I can’t support them. Just as you would not be able to support them if the team public ally backed one of these Jewish groups (you are so shy of naming) before every match. Which is exactly why politics does not belong in sport.
Name me one of these Zionist groups and we’ll talk about what BLM learned from them...
Nobody is putting a gun to Bidwells head, he can do as he likes, doesn't James McLean does what he thinks is right ?, often against the crowd so to speak.
I'm not aware of any Swansea City campaigns therefore I have no idea if I agree with them all or not or just some of them.
I'm generalising about supporters of Israel, like you are generalising about BLM supporters, the tactics of lots of supporters of the state of Israel pre date BLM by decades and decades, they often label opponents to try and shut down debate and criticism of Israel do they not ?, which is what you claim BLM are doing is it not ?
If you think BLM have a tactic of labelling then don't you think that the supporters of Israel use the same tactic ?
So I assume you condemn the supporters of Israel that use that tactic of labelling people as racist when they are not just the same as you condemn BLM supporters for doing the same thing ?, correct ?
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English booing taking the knee. on 12:01 - Jun 3 by Ajack_Kerouac
Yes they are. What do you think the reaction would be if Jake Bidwell (for example) decided he wasn’t going to kneel this time?
All the campaigns Swansea City endorse are campaigns you agree with anyway, so you can’t see it.
My team endorses BLM every time they take the knee. Therefore I can’t support them. Just as you would not be able to support them if the team public ally backed one of these Jewish groups (you are so shy of naming) before every match. Which is exactly why politics does not belong in sport.
Name me one of these Zionist groups and we’ll talk about what BLM learned from them...
Huge difference between supporting equality and Nazism or terrorism.
English booing taking the knee. on 12:19 - Jun 3 by Badlands
Huge difference between supporting equality and Nazism or terrorism.
BLM are terrorists.
"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it"
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English booing taking the knee. on 12:32 - Jun 3 with 1126 views
English booing taking the knee. on 12:17 - Jun 3 by trampie
Nobody is putting a gun to Bidwells head, he can do as he likes, doesn't James McLean does what he thinks is right ?, often against the crowd so to speak.
I'm not aware of any Swansea City campaigns therefore I have no idea if I agree with them all or not or just some of them.
I'm generalising about supporters of Israel, like you are generalising about BLM supporters, the tactics of lots of supporters of the state of Israel pre date BLM by decades and decades, they often label opponents to try and shut down debate and criticism of Israel do they not ?, which is what you claim BLM are doing is it not ?
If you think BLM have a tactic of labelling then don't you think that the supporters of Israel use the same tactic ?
So I assume you condemn the supporters of Israel that use that tactic of labelling people as racist when they are not just the same as you condemn BLM supporters for doing the same thing ?, correct ?
What is so hard about naming one of these groups and giving concrete examples?
It is a declaration of what Hamas stands for...and the Palestinians vote for Hamas every time. So the Palestinian people obviously vote for hate and can be described as a racist, violent, people. Perhaps BLM are closer to Hamas.
...it’s like taking candy from a baby, really it is.
"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it"
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English booing taking the knee. on 12:39 - Jun 3 with 1116 views
English booing taking the knee. on 11:51 - Jun 3 by dobjack2
I think we have very different views of the world.
By the way, what is your stance on poppies in shirts?
Poppies are for Rememberance Day and are a sign of respect for the dead, for those who were actually brave (not like today’s use of the word) and gave up their life in the defence of this country and her allies.
It is not a political movement, it has no political objectives, the people collecting money in exchange for poppies do it to look after veterans...it is a charity. They are not seeking to change the world.
You have to compare apples with apples. If you do not, it is easy to get confused by those seeking to confuse you.
"It's what people know about themselves inside that makes them afraid" - "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act" - "The further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it"
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English booing taking the knee. on 12:39 - Jun 3 with 1116 views
English booing taking the knee. on 12:39 - Jun 3 by Ajack_Kerouac
Poppies are for Rememberance Day and are a sign of respect for the dead, for those who were actually brave (not like today’s use of the word) and gave up their life in the defence of this country and her allies.
It is not a political movement, it has no political objectives, the people collecting money in exchange for poppies do it to look after veterans...it is a charity. They are not seeking to change the world.
You have to compare apples with apples. If you do not, it is easy to get confused by those seeking to confuse you.
Now there’s an excellent example of using the new curriculum requirements - ensuring when the world wars are taught, the positive role of BAME protagonists in supporting the cause.
That’s exactly what the recommendations are looking for.
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English booing taking the knee. on 13:11 - Jun 3 with 1081 views
English booing taking the knee. on 12:56 - Jun 3 by Gwyn737
Now there’s an excellent example of using the new curriculum requirements - ensuring when the world wars are taught, the positive role of BAME protagonists in supporting the cause.
That’s exactly what the recommendations are looking for.
Poppies should not be on the teams shirt. It is blatantly pollitical. The cause is British charities related to British millitary causes.
This includes for example the regime change in Iraq based on fake evidence of weapon of mass distruction. It included interference in a civil war in Syria and a number of covert operations to defend British State interests.
Swansea city under Birch aligning with BLM was clearly a mistake and a poor error of judgement by Birch.
Wise sage since Toshack era
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English booing taking the knee. on 13:18 - Jun 3 with 1073 views
English booing taking the knee. on 13:11 - Jun 3 by ReslovenSwan1
Poppies should not be on the teams shirt. It is blatantly pollitical. The cause is British charities related to British millitary causes.
This includes for example the regime change in Iraq based on fake evidence of weapon of mass distruction. It included interference in a civil war in Syria and a number of covert operations to defend British State interests.
Swansea city under Birch aligning with BLM was clearly a mistake and a poor error of judgement by Birch.
British military eh. I mean the barstuds. Political
D Day landing anny soon.
It's no wonder many thing emanating out of Wales turn my stomach. Garbage like this and puerile language fascists seem taking over.
English booing taking the knee. on 13:18 - Jun 3 by onehunglow
British military eh. I mean the barstuds. Political
D Day landing anny soon.
It's no wonder many thing emanating out of Wales turn my stomach. Garbage like this and puerile language fascists seem taking over.
I buy a poppy every year and happy to help the charity. It is something I do privately and with respect. The British solders that died and were injured in Iraq to capture Iraqi "Weapons of Mass destrruction" deserve respect and help.
I favour a low key tribute not giant poppies on the shirt. You hate your country, its sad but your choice. I do not favour BLM badges or any other poltitical movement on Swansea shirts.
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