| Warren Farm not happening 09:47 - May 6 with 45182 views | queensparker |
According to a story by Dave Mac.
Not really a surprise but gutting nevertheless |  | | |  |
| Warren Farm not happening on 23:41 - May 6 with 2036 views | PunteR |
| Warren Farm not happening on 22:48 - May 6 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I’d say uninformed rather than idiotic.
I know I’ve bored everyone silly with this, but if fans had a true and meaningful stake in the club rather than just handing over their season ticket money or £30 a game I’m sure they would take bad news better when they know they they are part of the process.
The community work and Fan’s Forum help, but it’s not enough. |
Not uninformed. We read it all on here and form our own opinions.
In fact , those that have been critical of TF haven't been wrong yet. [Post edited 6 May 2020 23:42]
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| Warren Farm not happening on 23:48 - May 6 with 2024 views | PunteR |
| Warren Farm not happening on 23:30 - May 6 by Benny_the_Ball |
It's entirely accurate and fair.
In November 2018 the Supreme Court appeal was rejected meaning that all legal avenues had been exhausted. Lee Hoos himself announced that construction would begin. The judicial review you speak of was only granted in April 2020 because QPR's failure to act in over 1 year allowed Warren Farm to transform itself into a nature reserve.
Refer here for timelines:
https://www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/football-qpr-fc-training-ground-warren-farm-
Hoos better have a plan B up his sleeve. If that doesn't come off, he should walk. [Post edited 6 May 2020 23:32]
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Not having Hoos walk. He's done great. imo. Obviously has his hands tied with the owners though. | |
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| Warren Farm not happening on 01:03 - May 7 with 1956 views | Loftgirl |
| Warren Farm not happening on 21:49 - May 6 by paulparker |
To late the protests should have happened a long time a go , Richard Thompson did far less worse than this mob yet got pelters of abuse
Maybe 70% of this fan base likes it’s tummy tickled & fed bullsh1t by uncle Tony and his chums |
"less worse".  |  | | |
| Warren Farm not happening on 01:19 - May 7 with 1934 views | timcocking |
| Warren Farm not happening on 10:38 - May 6 by Miss_Terraces |
Or acquiring an asset for themselves, to strip later on |
Not a surprise of any kind. What a ridiculous country it is. I definitely won't be reading eight pages of people insulting each other over it. |  | | |
| Warren Farm not happening on 04:23 - May 7 with 1892 views | stainrods_elbow |
Those fans who cant't stop love-bombing Hoos irrespective of his performance really boil my piss! What have the last 8 years been about then, when he's been constantly telling us all the ways it's happening and issuing statements to that effect? It's a joke!
With the club's management team, it's a case now, for me, of feeling like going into hibernation and waking up when someone tells the truth/makes sense.
We all deserve so much better than this! |  |
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| Warren Farm not happening on 05:50 - May 7 with 1876 views | Match82 |
| Warren Farm not happening on 21:44 - May 6 by paulparker |
And the only fan base that accepts failure & lies time and time again |
Not impressed with this news or the owners tenure in general but we are in a far better position than a lot of other clubs. Bury, Blackpool, Charlton, MK Dons (as in, moved the entire football club!) off the top of my head.
Is being "not the worst" ok? No far from it. But it's not just us. Unfortunately over the last ten years or so football has attracted a huge amounts of asshles as owners. |  | | |
| Warren Farm not happening on 07:36 - May 7 with 1791 views | Miss_Terraces |
| Warren Farm not happening on 04:23 - May 7 by stainrods_elbow |
Those fans who cant't stop love-bombing Hoos irrespective of his performance really boil my piss! What have the last 8 years been about then, when he's been constantly telling us all the ways it's happening and issuing statements to that effect? It's a joke!
With the club's management team, it's a case now, for me, of feeling like going into hibernation and waking up when someone tells the truth/makes sense.
We all deserve so much better than this! |
Hoos hasn't been here for 8 years. His tenure has seen a huge improvement, still not great but he's been fighting with both hands tied behind his back. I don't like the owners but I do appreciate the good work he has done |  |
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| Warren Farm not happening on 07:44 - May 7 with 1778 views | Harbour |
Well the financial position of the club with the effects of the pandemic may well be playing into this decision. Will be interesting to see if a new training ground is purchased as the statement implies or if this is a holding statement. At the end of all this I Just’s hope QPR survives as a club. | | | |
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| Warren Farm not happening on 07:44 - May 7 with 1775 views | E17hoop |
| Warren Farm not happening on 21:48 - May 6 by Lblock |
Are you and Baz the same person?
Just asking as you both love the edit function... mmmmmmmm
Proof on fundamentals? Well the thing has been cancelled due to lack of engagement and not ticking the boxes you’d tick on these sort of developments on this sort of land.
Environmental Impact studies are Janet and John
Avoidance of hurdles etc - see above
My view years ago well documented on the subject as I could see the car crash they were causing. Sorry if that doesn’t sit well with you.
I must also apologise that I’ve not included all manner of external links to the Guardian, flow charts and Venn diagrams etc which I know are soft porn to you.
Let’s see how “Plan B” pans out..... at the moment I’d say it’s B for bullshit |
Environmental Impact Assessment is the responsibility of the Council. It's not QPR's job to remind the planners what they need to do. If it was missed by the Council, the ire should be directed at them, not the club. Should the club try and recover legal costs against the Council for not doing their job? They could but that wouldn't be great for our reputation or 'optics'.
The context has changed since the WF development was announced. Environmental factors are much higher up the agenda and economic arguments over Council funding are not seen as essential. The Council should have done better and we've pulled the plug now, rather than engage with protesters even more. Imagine the news reports of people laying in front of bulldozers.
It seems as if an alternative is being sourced and we don't know when this was started. If it was several months ago, then the club's planning and foresight should be applauded. |  |
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| Warren Farm not happening on 07:53 - May 7 with 1750 views | Dixie_CT |
| Warren Farm not happening on 07:44 - May 7 by Harbour |
Well the financial position of the club with the effects of the pandemic may well be playing into this decision. Will be interesting to see if a new training ground is purchased as the statement implies or if this is a holding statement. At the end of all this I Just’s hope QPR survives as a club. |
Hoos is such an asset for us. Looking at his career, he doesn’t normally stop too long but I hope that changes and he is with us for a bit longer yet. Unfortunately my hunch is that his goal, alongside steadying the finances, would be to land the training ground and/or stadium, then move on.
Who takes credit for bringing him in? |  | | |
| Warren Farm not happening on 07:55 - May 7 with 1743 views | PunteR |
| Warren Farm not happening on 07:44 - May 7 by E17hoop |
Environmental Impact Assessment is the responsibility of the Council. It's not QPR's job to remind the planners what they need to do. If it was missed by the Council, the ire should be directed at them, not the club. Should the club try and recover legal costs against the Council for not doing their job? They could but that wouldn't be great for our reputation or 'optics'.
The context has changed since the WF development was announced. Environmental factors are much higher up the agenda and economic arguments over Council funding are not seen as essential. The Council should have done better and we've pulled the plug now, rather than engage with protesters even more. Imagine the news reports of people laying in front of bulldozers.
It seems as if an alternative is being sourced and we don't know when this was started. If it was several months ago, then the club's planning and foresight should be applauded. |
Lots of IFs in your last paragraph mate. And this is the problem for me.(not your paragraph). The owners track record for this sort of thing isn't great.
The pandemic has changed things though. | |
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| Warren Farm not happening on 07:56 - May 7 with 1736 views | paulparker |
| Warren Farm not happening on 22:30 - May 6 by Antti_Heinola |
know why?
because fans are idiots.
Look at this thread for example. |
Don’t be to hard on yourself |  |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| Warren Farm not happening on 08:01 - May 7 with 1720 views | paulparker |
| Warren Farm not happening on 22:33 - May 6 by Antti_Heinola |
to be honest mate, you use this board as one long therapy session most of the time. |
Yeah of course I do mr condescending
Don’t like my posts ? Then put me on ignore ,it’s all very simple | |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| Warren Farm not happening on 08:02 - May 7 with 1718 views | Dixie_CT |
| Warren Farm not happening on 07:44 - May 7 by E17hoop |
Environmental Impact Assessment is the responsibility of the Council. It's not QPR's job to remind the planners what they need to do. If it was missed by the Council, the ire should be directed at them, not the club. Should the club try and recover legal costs against the Council for not doing their job? They could but that wouldn't be great for our reputation or 'optics'.
The context has changed since the WF development was announced. Environmental factors are much higher up the agenda and economic arguments over Council funding are not seen as essential. The Council should have done better and we've pulled the plug now, rather than engage with protesters even more. Imagine the news reports of people laying in front of bulldozers.
It seems as if an alternative is being sourced and we don't know when this was started. If it was several months ago, then the club's planning and foresight should be applauded. |
The alternative site was mooted a few months ago. Despite the legal challenges being defeated there may have been further delay possible through the courts down another route plus to be fair, the tenacity and resilience of the SWF campaign just wasn’t diminishing.
Even if the club got the green light yesterday, it was a a huge project to get Warren Farm upto scratch plus how to fund it. Bonds through fans? Tricky. | | | |
| Warren Farm not happening on 08:05 - May 7 with 1708 views | Dixie_CT |
| Warren Farm not happening on 08:01 - May 7 by paulparker |
Yeah of course I do mr condescending
Don’t like my posts ? Then put me on ignore ,it’s all very simple |
Could you guys do this by private message? What have your personal battles got to the do with the topic?
To be really honest, it reads like ‘I know you are but what am I?’ | | | |
| Warren Farm not happening on 08:07 - May 7 with 1698 views | stevec |
| Warren Farm not happening on 04:23 - May 7 by stainrods_elbow |
Those fans who cant't stop love-bombing Hoos irrespective of his performance really boil my piss! What have the last 8 years been about then, when he's been constantly telling us all the ways it's happening and issuing statements to that effect? It's a joke!
With the club's management team, it's a case now, for me, of feeling like going into hibernation and waking up when someone tells the truth/makes sense.
We all deserve so much better than this! |
What experience should tell us about this club and it’s infrastructure, don’t believe a word of anything they say. Just assume it won’t happen until it actually does.
I’m beginning to tire of the Hoos PR, wouldn’t be surprised if he is too. How do you keep talking up a club that spends 3 years in PL and doesn’t manage a single improvement in ground facilities. They can’t keep falling back on ‘wanting to move‘, it never happens.
Multi millionaire owners who fall back on the house that Jim built, 35 years ago. What a shambles. |  | | |
| Warren Farm not happening on 08:15 - May 7 with 1671 views | kingo |
| Warren Farm not happening on 08:02 - May 7 by Dixie_CT |
The alternative site was mooted a few months ago. Despite the legal challenges being defeated there may have been further delay possible through the courts down another route plus to be fair, the tenacity and resilience of the SWF campaign just wasn’t diminishing.
Even if the club got the green light yesterday, it was a a huge project to get Warren Farm upto scratch plus how to fund it. Bonds through fans? Tricky. |
Plus, and a big plus, is that if the site is the one heavily rumoured, then it is already up and running and ready to go. |  |
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| Warren Farm not happening on 08:28 - May 7 with 1637 views | paulparker |
| Warren Farm not happening on 08:07 - May 7 by stevec |
What experience should tell us about this club and it’s infrastructure, don’t believe a word of anything they say. Just assume it won’t happen until it actually does.
I’m beginning to tire of the Hoos PR, wouldn’t be surprised if he is too. How do you keep talking up a club that spends 3 years in PL and doesn’t manage a single improvement in ground facilities. They can’t keep falling back on ‘wanting to move‘, it never happens.
Multi millionaire owners who fall back on the house that Jim built, 35 years ago. What a shambles. |
But , but , but stevec it’s not the boards fault , it’s all the fault of a few Brentford bird watchers
That’s why we couldn’t get a spade in the ground
You just wait we are going to have a super duper alternative | |
| And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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| Warren Farm not happening on 08:33 - May 7 with 1630 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Warren Farm not happening on 23:21 - May 6 by Benny_the_Ball |
All legal avenues were exhausted in November 2018. QPR's failure to strike while the iron was hot ultimately killed the project. |
Yes alarm bells rang when there was literally no communication or action from the club on Warren Farm for over a year from November 2018 and just vague sound bites from Lee Hoos when asked about it earlier this year. Very disappointing. |  | | |
| Warren Farm not happening on 08:36 - May 7 with 1620 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Genuine question for anyone to answer, as I don't know myself - but did the Council actually ever get to the stage of signing off on the lease or did the legal and environmental challenges prevent them from doing so?
If the Council didn't transfer the lease then the Club couldn't have started construction at any stage, bar maybe the pre-construction environmental studies that were carried out. |  |
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| Warren Farm not happening on 08:50 - May 7 with 1579 views | rsonist |
| Warren Farm not happening on 22:59 - May 6 by Benny_the_Ball |
The facts are there for all to see yet delusional twonks like you simply refuse to acknowledge them.
Look at your statement from another angle. Who in their right minds wouldn't start work immediately on a plot that they'd fought over for 7 years and finally had permission to build on? Procrastination is the thief of time. QPR secured the green light in November 2018 yet allowed the site to develop into a nature reserve thereby enabling Hanwell Nature to secure a fresh judicial review last month.
As for the past, the current owners have presided over one shambles after another. Old Oak Common, Car Giant, the Linford Christie stadium, and Warren Farm. They also wasted the thick end of half a billion chasing a Premier League pipe dream and left the club with nothing to show for it but an FFP fine. To ignore this terrible track record in favour of Lee's latest PR stunt is frankly idiotic and naïve on your part. |
So to sum up, the crux of your damning exposé is a tenuous speculative assumption that the long gap in between two points on a glossary you've skimmed proves the site has been left untouched for over a year. And therefore supports accusation of incompetence, malpractice, dissimulation, conspiracy and deceit.
What it doesn't tell you - but which nevertheless is still information freely available to the public that you just didn't bother to research - is that work was due to begin May 2019, which point the first in a series of delaying ecological objections began (nesting skylarks iirc). The site wasn't just ignored for a year and a half, nor did it didn't suddenly become "a nature reserve" during those standard few months after getting the green light, but in the preceding four years spent having to secure that go ahead after submitting the revised application with environmental assessments in 2015. (See also wrt waffling made up nonsense accusation above of "not ticking the boxes you’d tick on these sort of developments on this sort of land").
That's just for starters.
These bungleposters have got nothing. |  | | |
| Warren Farm not happening on 09:02 - May 7 with 1556 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
On the club owners
100% they have fecked up time and time again
What was it TF use to say, we have learned from our mistakes 
WF
It was a good idea to start with, I don't suppose they (Club-Council) ever thought they would have to fight over such a shitehole that's WF but it's been pretty clear that the lack development since 2018 with some pretty weak excuses was just stalling to get out of it and have done without facing any problems of breaking contracts, just walked away.
I don't think you can put it all down as a failer by the Club, things have clearly changed in the last 8 years.
Hoo's
I would say he has to deliver this new facility or he is done. his fault or not. |  |
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| Warren Farm not happening on 09:34 - May 7 with 1503 views | Discodroids |
| Warren Farm not happening on 01:03 - May 7 by Loftgirl |
"less worse". |
What are you clapping ? |  |
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| Warren Farm not happening on 09:47 - May 7 with 1456 views | BAWHoops |
| Warren Farm not happening on 23:30 - May 6 by Benny_the_Ball |
It's entirely accurate and fair.
In November 2018 the Supreme Court appeal was rejected meaning that all legal avenues had been exhausted. Lee Hoos himself announced that construction would begin. The judicial review you speak of was only granted in April 2020 because QPR's failure to act in over 1 year allowed Warren Farm to transform itself into a nature reserve.
Refer here for timelines:
https://www.westlondonsport.com/qpr/football-qpr-fc-training-ground-warren-farm-
Hoos better have a plan B up his sleeve. If that doesn't come off, he should walk. [Post edited 6 May 2020 23:32]
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If that's how it's shaken down then heads would need to roll.
I think people are somewhat blinded by the success of Eze and Bright when it comes to critiquing Hoos. That's all Ramsey's work |  |
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| Warren Farm not happening on 10:01 - May 7 with 1424 views | francisbowles |
| Warren Farm not happening on 22:30 - May 6 by Antti_Heinola |
know why?
because fans are idiots.
Look at this thread for example. |
If we did get a fan on the board, it would have to be some idiot who filled the post.
Who else would want to do it knowing the abuse he/she would get and not even getting paid for it? | | | |
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