| Our country is fckd match thread 20:04 - Jan 15 with 228789 views | BlackCrowe |
On one side we have a spineless and rudderless government full of self-serving narcissistic cnts utterly divided.
On the other side we have spineless and rudderless opposition full of self-serving narcissistic cnts utterly divided.
Can someone please show us a third way beyond flipping Vince. Failing a Chuka et al third way then Disco, you're the man no to save us from jezwecan, Diane, Sneery Emily and McDonnell no? [Post edited 15 Jan 2019 20:05]
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 12:07 - Mar 7 with 2125 views | colinallcars |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 11:49 - Mar 7 by QPR_John |
You seem so sure do you know something |
I think there was a groundswell of support from younger people at the last election for Corbyn which was a oneoff. People say it's the policy not the personality that counts. This is true, but many are swayed by the likeability of someone and Corbyn is seen as a joyless and dry man with no personality at all. Looks like we are stuck with the Tories. |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 12:27 - Mar 7 with 2108 views | QPR_Jim |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 09:48 - Mar 7 by QPR_John |
If labour did form the next government I doubt McDonnell will be Chancellor the power behind the throne will want to be Prime Minister |
That's more of a reflection of what you would do in a similar position than anything to do with what McDonnell is thinking or would do, unless you know something we don't. Same with you assertions about what the EU will be doing in the future.
So far we've learnt that given the chance you'd force rules on people you perceive to be weaker than you and stab your colleagues in the back to get power. |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 12:28 - Mar 7 with 2099 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 11:49 - Mar 7 by QPR_John |
You seem so sure do you know something |
I do. I know a lot of things. |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:05 - Mar 7 with 2075 views | QPR_John |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 12:27 - Mar 7 by QPR_Jim |
That's more of a reflection of what you would do in a similar position than anything to do with what McDonnell is thinking or would do, unless you know something we don't. Same with you assertions about what the EU will be doing in the future.
So far we've learnt that given the chance you'd force rules on people you perceive to be weaker than you and stab your colleagues in the back to get power. |
Good grief are you a Psychologist by any chance. To glean all that from reading posts is to be admired. The fact that you are completely wrong as anybody who knows me personally will tell you in no way detracts from your self belief |  | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:26 - Mar 7 with 2047 views | QPR_Jim |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:05 - Mar 7 by QPR_John |
Good grief are you a Psychologist by any chance. To glean all that from reading posts is to be admired. The fact that you are completely wrong as anybody who knows me personally will tell you in no way detracts from your self belief |
I'm happy to be proven wrong after all I don't know you but if that's not what you would do why do you expect other people would behave like that?
The only other two reasons I can think of are that you have an intimate knowledge of the thoughts of the leaders of the EU and McDonnell which is unlikely or you where exaggerating to try and scare people. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:37 - Mar 7 with 2033 views | QPR_John |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:26 - Mar 7 by QPR_Jim |
I'm happy to be proven wrong after all I don't know you but if that's not what you would do why do you expect other people would behave like that?
The only other two reasons I can think of are that you have an intimate knowledge of the thoughts of the leaders of the EU and McDonnell which is unlikely or you where exaggerating to try and scare people. |
Surely that's life we all judge other people. There are many who believe McDonnell is the brains of the outfit. I do not believe he would stab Corbyn in the back for one minute the change over would be amicable dare I say it planned | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:39 - Mar 7 with 2023 views | R_from_afar |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:46 - Mar 6 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
Hang on these same Mp's voted almost 100% for the referendum, the wording of that referendum was agreed by these same Mp's. no one was conned.
All this yes but no but, is bolx to frustrated, stop it.
From the very start, Remainers have and still are (by this thread) being disingenuous to leave votes, ever name in the book has been thrown at them and every time it makes me and other leave votes just more sure that remainers care for no one but themselves " I'm alright Jack" and we still want to leave no matter what has been said fearmongering.
The Mp's are fecking useless, not one can be trusted but that's got nothing to do with the fact the majority of uk votes voted to leave and still hold that opinion. [Post edited 6 Mar 2019 13:51]
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Did I say anyone was conned? No, I didn’t.
Did I say I wanted Brexit stopped? No, I didn’t. I don’t like it but I accept the result of the referendum.
Maybe you are right about almost 100% of MPs voting for there to be a referendum but neither MPs nor the people voted for a Brexit which would be delivered with absolutely no thought given to the impact on jobs (especially the jobs of ordinary people), the supply chain (for example, food in our shops) and all the other things which enable a modern society to continue to function normally.
“…remainers care for no one but themselves " I'm alright Jack"”: Wow, 48% of the voters in referendum all pigeonholed as selfish in one fell swoop. Good grief! Incredible that every last one of them is self-centred. Well, clearly I am not allowed to be altruistic given that I voted to remain, but I can tell you that I recognise that a no deal Brexit will hurt millions of my compatriots more than it will me and I fear for them, I am genuinely worried and I don’t want them to suffer. Oh, and I am not a millionaire managing director or CEO, I have a normal job and live in the suburbs of London, not in a mansion in Kensington or Sandbanks. The poor and disadvantaged are really at risk if we crash out with no deal. Movement of goods will be affected and prices will rise.
You need to be prepared for the fact that some of the country’s woes will not be solved by leaving the EU. The way whole regions have been neglected, for years, by various governments, is nothing to do with the EU, for example.
Leaving the EU may have some or even lots of benefits, in time, but it is not going to fix everything, because the cause of many of our problems is not the EU, it is the UK.
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:05 - Mar 7 with 2003 views | QPR_Jim |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 13:37 - Mar 7 by QPR_John |
Surely that's life we all judge other people. There are many who believe McDonnell is the brains of the outfit. I do not believe he would stab Corbyn in the back for one minute the change over would be amicable dare I say it planned |
Fair enough if that's what you think but personally I think that a bit of a stretch and would say it was very unlikely, we'll probably never find out so there's not too much point worrying about it.
To bring this back to Brexit what I try to remember is that if you ask remainers why they voted remain they would probably all say because they thought it is what's best for the country, some of them may mean for themselves too but you get my point. If you ask leavers why they voted leave they would probably say the same, because they thought it is what's best for the country and likewise some of them may mean for themselves too.
I personally therefore don't think it's a bad idea to check that we're all happy that what we're getting is what's best for the country after over two years of negotiation, because that's all that anybody really wants. | | | |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:17 - Mar 7 with 1994 views | R_from_afar |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 16:06 - Mar 6 by Sharpy36 |
Again Derby you don`t offer any "Facts" just predictions, the same predictions we see during the referendum.
Get behind your country. |
Serious question: Will you be offering any facts or predictions which indicate the ways in which Brexit will help the UK?
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:23 - Mar 7 with 1990 views | CroydonCaptJack |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:17 - Mar 7 by R_from_afar |
Serious question: Will you be offering any facts or predictions which indicate the ways in which Brexit will help the UK?
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Why do you always sign off with your initials? We can see you have posted it?
I just wondered.
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:41 - Mar 7 with 1982 views | Sharpy36 |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:17 - Mar 7 by R_from_afar |
Serious question: Will you be offering any facts or predictions which indicate the ways in which Brexit will help the UK?
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Quite simply, no i wont be offering up any facts on an event that as of yet has not happened. The reason being i receive no funding nor am i lobbyist for a large multi national eu funded company, or a lord with a large eu pension, or even a flip flopping mp.
But i can make predictions as good as the next man, but that`s all they would be, predictions, and not sugar coated as facts.
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 15:15 - Mar 7 with 1950 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
Amber Rudd called Diane Abbott a coloured lady today
That's her finished |  |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 15:23 - Mar 7 with 1941 views | loftboy |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 15:15 - Mar 7 by 2Thomas2Bowles |
Amber Rudd called Diane Abbott a coloured lady today
That's her finished |
To Ben fair she was sticking up for Black and ethnic minorities with what she was saying, it was only when I got with my current partner who is mixed race that I found out it was unacceptable to use the word coloured. |  |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 15:46 - Mar 7 with 1924 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 15:23 - Mar 7 by loftboy |
To Ben fair she was sticking up for Black and ethnic minorities with what she was saying, it was only when I got with my current partner who is mixed race that I found out it was unacceptable to use the word coloured. |
I know mate
At least she did not call her funny tinged
Abbott has been guilty herself of "slips of the tongue" | |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 18:47 - Mar 7 with 1861 views | QPR_John |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 14:05 - Mar 7 by QPR_Jim |
Fair enough if that's what you think but personally I think that a bit of a stretch and would say it was very unlikely, we'll probably never find out so there's not too much point worrying about it.
To bring this back to Brexit what I try to remember is that if you ask remainers why they voted remain they would probably all say because they thought it is what's best for the country, some of them may mean for themselves too but you get my point. If you ask leavers why they voted leave they would probably say the same, because they thought it is what's best for the country and likewise some of them may mean for themselves too.
I personally therefore don't think it's a bad idea to check that we're all happy that what we're getting is what's best for the country after over two years of negotiation, because that's all that anybody really wants. |
The fact that the first referendum resultied in a leave result shows how out of touch
our MPs are. I don't think anybody would have objected to there having to be a percentage voting out but I suppose Cameron did not want to open up another possible argument when he was so sure he would win. This leads to a major problem with the second referendum ( let's all at least agree the "people's vote" is only for those proposing it who want it to be considered entirely divorced from 2016) where there should be a limit set to overturn the first. It was not in the first so many would argue you cannot have one in the second. Of course that means we could have a similar split with remain winning what happens then. Does the "peoples vote" trump a referendum. I really hope for the sake of the country a second referendum results in a big majority for the winning side whoever they may be. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:18 - Mar 7 with 1830 views | colinallcars |
From what I can gather, the Peoples Vote would ask if we accept May's eventual plan or the only alternative which is stay in.
I think now people realise just how murderously hard it is to leave they will vote Remain. This of course will infuriate the leavers but it would be plain sailing compared to leaving without a deal in place. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:29 - Mar 7 with 1819 views | QPR_John |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:18 - Mar 7 by colinallcars |
From what I can gather, the Peoples Vote would ask if we accept May's eventual plan or the only alternative which is stay in.
I think now people realise just how murderously hard it is to leave they will vote Remain. This of course will infuriate the leavers but it would be plain sailing compared to leaving without a deal in place. |
With a 52 48 split in the first referendum we were told with some justification that the 48 had to be looked after. Mays deal or remain is really Hobson's choice so who will look after those with no question to answer. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:30 - Mar 7 with 1818 views | Mistication92 |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 09:01 - Mar 7 by QPR_John |
People want to leave not only because they do not want political representation in the EU but also they do not want political interference from the EU. Staying in the custom union means we have to obey EU laws without being able to influence them, a worse position than actually staying in. Being in the custom union without being in the EU also means we would have no control whatsoever in how we traded with the rest of the world . |
Well if the UK wants to trade it's goods within Europe it's going to have to abide by EU rules so...
Stop all exports to Europe then? | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:35 - Mar 7 with 1810 views | QPR_John |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:30 - Mar 7 by Mistication92 |
Well if the UK wants to trade it's goods within Europe it's going to have to abide by EU rules so...
Stop all exports to Europe then? |
Sorry you've lost me there
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Just read your post again and I see what you are getting at. Staying in the customs union means we have to obey EU rules when trading with countries OUTSIDE the EU [Post edited 7 Mar 2019 19:41]
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:40 - Mar 7 with 1802 views | Sharpy36 |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:30 - Mar 7 by Mistication92 |
Well if the UK wants to trade it's goods within Europe it's going to have to abide by EU rules so...
Stop all exports to Europe then? |
Two words "Repeal bill" read it. | |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:40 - Mar 7 with 1801 views | colinallcars |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:30 - Mar 7 by Mistication92 |
Well if the UK wants to trade it's goods within Europe it's going to have to abide by EU rules so...
Stop all exports to Europe then? |
Joking apart, it is a big worry. A large proportion of medications we use comes from Europe and the NHS has been stockpiling. This is a very short term measure and a big worry to those dependent on said medication. And this of course is just one example of the pickle we could end up in. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:41 - Mar 7 with 1796 views | johncharles |
Is John McDonnell the brains behind the Labour Party ?
Don't know but I can't think anyone in this government I would call the brains behind anything. They all come across as depressingly thick. Liam Fox is a deeply stupid lump. Wouldn't let Hancock or Grayling take my dog for a walk. They'd come home without it. Not just having a go at the the Tories. I think Jacob R Mogg is an intelligent man (don't agree with him.......) but he's not in the government. Ken Clarke obviously has a brain but the government.........😨 |  |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:47 - Mar 7 with 1789 views | QPR_John |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:40 - Mar 7 by colinallcars |
Joking apart, it is a big worry. A large proportion of medications we use comes from Europe and the NHS has been stockpiling. This is a very short term measure and a big worry to those dependent on said medication. And this of course is just one example of the pickle we could end up in. |
This is something I have failed to understand. The EU as I understand it are not going to refuse to sell us medication it is just that the lead time for orders could be extended. But is that not what stockpiling is intended to alleviate. You stockpile to cover the initial delay then just adjust your ordering system to take into account the delay for future orders. | | | |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:51 - Mar 7 with 1783 views | Boston |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:18 - Mar 7 by colinallcars |
From what I can gather, the Peoples Vote would ask if we accept May's eventual plan or the only alternative which is stay in.
I think now people realise just how murderously hard it is to leave they will vote Remain. This of course will infuriate the leavers but it would be plain sailing compared to leaving without a deal in place. |
The time the Referendum result came out I had a job going that contained four British guys among the crew. Without exception we were amazed at the result, we’d all paid some attention to the general headlines and like most had accepted there’d be a convincing decision to remain.None of us were entitled to vote so there wasn’t an overdose of discussion prior to the day but it was a serious topic of talk for the remainder of the week and by then we’d concurred that the establishment would never allow Britain to leave.
I’m glad there’s a democratic system in place, even though I conduct my life and business without getting involved in the process, what’s happening now reaffirms my contempt for much of the ruling class. | |
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| Our country is fckd match thread on 20:01 - Mar 7 with 1778 views | derbyhoop |
| Our country is fckd match thread on 19:47 - Mar 7 by QPR_John |
This is something I have failed to understand. The EU as I understand it are not going to refuse to sell us medication it is just that the lead time for orders could be extended. But is that not what stockpiling is intended to alleviate. You stockpile to cover the initial delay then just adjust your ordering system to take into account the delay for future orders. |
Who will bear the costs of all this stockpiling? Theres a reason why manufacturing companies use JIT. And our manor retailers. |  |
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