| Paul Smyth's mum 21:52 - Sep 26 with 12014 views | Hayesender |
Slagging off McClaren on one of the QPR groups on Facebook.
Calling him a Muppet, and hoping he is sacked soon before Paul has to leave (her words)
The poor lad needs to tell her to keep her thoughts off of social media |  |
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| Paul Smyth's mum on 20:32 - Sep 27 with 2449 views | daveB |
| Paul Smyth's mum on 18:40 - Sep 27 by PinnerPaul |
and stay in the Championship?
Amit B himself that was THE target this season. |
basically same squad stayed up last season and were never in serious danger. This year we lost Smithies but have Lumley who looks decent. Ned and Robinson replaced by BFG and Cameron. Washington and Mackie replaced by Wells and Hemed which look on paper to be upgrades so not sure why staying up should be the only aim, squad more than good enough to be pushing for mid table or lower top half |  | | |
| Paul Smyth's mum on 23:33 - Sep 27 with 2240 views | JamesB1979 |
| Paul Smyth's mum on 20:32 - Sep 27 by daveB |
basically same squad stayed up last season and were never in serious danger. This year we lost Smithies but have Lumley who looks decent. Ned and Robinson replaced by BFG and Cameron. Washington and Mackie replaced by Wells and Hemed which look on paper to be upgrades so not sure why staying up should be the only aim, squad more than good enough to be pushing for mid table or lower top half |
Smithies is far better than Lumley and Ingram.
Nedum and Robinson are both better than BFG. Cameron’s played 1 game and that was in midfield.
The strikers are better, I’ll give you that one. |  | | |
| Paul Smyth's mum on 08:35 - Sep 28 with 2075 views | traininvain |
| Paul Smyth's mum on 23:33 - Sep 27 by JamesB1979 |
Smithies is far better than Lumley and Ingram.
Nedum and Robinson are both better than BFG. Cameron’s played 1 game and that was in midfield.
The strikers are better, I’ll give you that one. |
Agreed. And we’ve only had three of the players mentioned for five games winning three, drawing one and losing one in which they’ve featured. If that’s a record which warrants sacking a manager then god help us.
People can moan all they like about the club / owners being a basket case but at the end of the day it’s no more than we deserve when our supporters want to change manager every six months! [Post edited 28 Sep 2018 8:39]
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| Paul Smyth's mum on 08:53 - Sep 28 with 2042 views | JamesB1979 |
Holloway was given a much fairer crack than McLaren but quite a few on here, especially when we lost 6 of first 7 games, and our win was against 10 men. It’s almost like some want him to fail. | | | |
| Paul Smyth's mum on 09:19 - Sep 28 with 1996 views | richranger |
| Paul Smyth's mum on 08:53 - Sep 28 by JamesB1979 |
Holloway was given a much fairer crack than McLaren but quite a few on here, especially when we lost 6 of first 7 games, and our win was against 10 men. It’s almost like some want him to fail. |
Possibly - but Holloway didn't lose 7-1 to anyone. | | | |
| Paul Smyth's mum on 09:34 - Sep 28 with 1972 views | paulparker |
| Paul Smyth's mum on 08:35 - Sep 28 by traininvain |
Agreed. And we’ve only had three of the players mentioned for five games winning three, drawing one and losing one in which they’ve featured. If that’s a record which warrants sacking a manager then god help us.
People can moan all they like about the club / owners being a basket case but at the end of the day it’s no more than we deserve when our supporters want to change manager every six months! [Post edited 28 Sep 2018 8:39]
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it’s no more than we deserve when our supporters want to change manager every six months!
il give you that to a degree , we deserve what we get for letting this board make mistake after mistake and dropping the club in the sh1t again whilst we sit back and go
"yeah but tonys learnt from his mistakes" every season
we also sat back and let a club legend being hoyed out the door without so much as a send off to be replaced by one of the worst managers in our history, a manager who managed to spend 80 million at Newcastle and still get them relegated
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That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
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| Paul Smyth's mum on 10:04 - Sep 28 with 1906 views | daveB |
| Paul Smyth's mum on 08:53 - Sep 28 by JamesB1979 |
Holloway was given a much fairer crack than McLaren but quite a few on here, especially when we lost 6 of first 7 games, and our win was against 10 men. It’s almost like some want him to fail. |
Different circumstances though, Plenty wanted Holloway and JFH before him gone when they had a bad start. For me it's not about results, we are roughly on the same points as we were this time last season so no real issue with that but it's about long term for me.
Holloway and JFH both aligned with what Ferdinand and Hoos were talking about having a pathway to the first team for kids, looking for lower league players and picking up under 23 players to develop for the first team. It wasn't always perfect and at times it wasn't very good but it looked to me like a joined up club with a clear plan which they were trying to implement. When we lost games it was bad but I could still see what they were trying to do so I felt a bit more forgiving.
With McClaren I don't see that anymore which is fine if thats what the club want but doesn't sit right with me. If he is in just for the short term keep us up and worry about what happens next at the end of the season then again fine but if he's being judged on that then every result and performance is a lot more important than I and others felt it was under JFH and Holloway so throwing games like on Tuesday and sitting on your hands and doing nothing against Norwich when it's obvious what needs to be changed feels more important than it did when the next result wasn't what the manager was judged on.
That may well be unfair on McClaren but each managers brief is different, I always felt it was unfair to have a go at Warnock and Redknapp for the lack of youth team players coming through under them when clearly their job was to sign experienced pros and win the next match which is what they should have been judged on.
Saying all that I'm not calling for him to go, I hope he stays for the full season as it will mean we've done pretty well | | | |
| Paul Smyth's mum on 11:06 - Sep 28 with 1830 views | BklynRanger |
Agree with all of that Dave, except for the last line. Personally I have no interest at all in a short termist season were we scrap all of the patient building that was being attempted just because a football management dinosaur advised us to. In the job interview McLaren had to have made commitments to continue to bring through and integrate the younger players. If he's not going to do that, and based on his post cup comments he isn't, then I'd really rather he leave. |  | | |
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| Paul Smyth's mum on 11:09 - Sep 28 with 1827 views | Northernr |
| Paul Smyth's mum on 11:06 - Sep 28 by BklynRanger |
Agree with all of that Dave, except for the last line. Personally I have no interest at all in a short termist season were we scrap all of the patient building that was being attempted just because a football management dinosaur advised us to. In the job interview McLaren had to have made commitments to continue to bring through and integrate the younger players. If he's not going to do that, and based on his post cup comments he isn't, then I'd really rather he leave. |
"Job interview". Yehhhhhhhhh, about that. |  | | |
| Paul Smyth's mum on 11:24 - Sep 28 with 1785 views | BklynRanger |
| Paul Smyth's mum on 11:09 - Sep 28 by Northernr |
"Job interview". Yehhhhhhhhh, about that. |
Or whatever pathetic semblance of a job interview took place - but somebody must have mentioned what we were looking for even a bit shirley?!!!
Ok maybe not. | | | |
| Paul Smyth's mum on 11:24 - Sep 28 with 1785 views | Mick_S |
| Paul Smyth's mum on 11:09 - Sep 28 by Northernr |
"Job interview". Yehhhhhhhhh, about that. |
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| Paul Smyth's mum on 12:13 - Sep 28 with 1726 views | simmo |
| Paul Smyth's mum on 10:04 - Sep 28 by daveB |
Different circumstances though, Plenty wanted Holloway and JFH before him gone when they had a bad start. For me it's not about results, we are roughly on the same points as we were this time last season so no real issue with that but it's about long term for me.
Holloway and JFH both aligned with what Ferdinand and Hoos were talking about having a pathway to the first team for kids, looking for lower league players and picking up under 23 players to develop for the first team. It wasn't always perfect and at times it wasn't very good but it looked to me like a joined up club with a clear plan which they were trying to implement. When we lost games it was bad but I could still see what they were trying to do so I felt a bit more forgiving.
With McClaren I don't see that anymore which is fine if thats what the club want but doesn't sit right with me. If he is in just for the short term keep us up and worry about what happens next at the end of the season then again fine but if he's being judged on that then every result and performance is a lot more important than I and others felt it was under JFH and Holloway so throwing games like on Tuesday and sitting on your hands and doing nothing against Norwich when it's obvious what needs to be changed feels more important than it did when the next result wasn't what the manager was judged on.
That may well be unfair on McClaren but each managers brief is different, I always felt it was unfair to have a go at Warnock and Redknapp for the lack of youth team players coming through under them when clearly their job was to sign experienced pros and win the next match which is what they should have been judged on.
Saying all that I'm not calling for him to go, I hope he stays for the full season as it will mean we've done pretty well |
Nailed it. My feelings almost exactly. |  |
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| Paul Smyth's mum on 13:19 - Sep 28 with 1634 views | PunteR |
| Paul Smyth's mum on 11:09 - Sep 28 by Northernr |
"Job interview". Yehhhhhhhhh, about that. |
Isnt this part of Ferdinands job? To keep continuity between managers , players etc.? |  |
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| Paul Smyth's mum on 13:20 - Sep 28 with 1632 views | R_from_afar |
| Paul Smyth's mum on 09:19 - Sep 28 by richranger |
Possibly - but Holloway didn't lose 7-1 to anyone. |
I'd rather lose one game 7-1 than six in a row. That said, I wish Ollie was still at the helm, I really do. That doesn't mean I want McClaren replaced yet, mind.
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| Paul Smyth's mum on 13:47 - Sep 28 with 1557 views | PinnerPaul |
| Paul Smyth's mum on 20:32 - Sep 27 by daveB |
basically same squad stayed up last season and were never in serious danger. This year we lost Smithies but have Lumley who looks decent. Ned and Robinson replaced by BFG and Cameron. Washington and Mackie replaced by Wells and Hemed which look on paper to be upgrades so not sure why staying up should be the only aim, squad more than good enough to be pushing for mid table or lower top half |
Just repeating what the Chairman himself said Dave. | | | |
| Paul Smyth's mum on 13:56 - Sep 28 with 1523 views | BklynRanger |
| Paul Smyth's mum on 13:19 - Sep 28 by PunteR |
Isnt this part of Ferdinands job? To keep continuity between managers , players etc.? |
I don't think this was Les's choice/decision though - if I remember the twitterings of Dave Mc correctly at least. | | | |
| Paul Smyth's mum on 15:17 - Sep 28 with 1438 views | daveB |
| Paul Smyth's mum on 13:19 - Sep 28 by PunteR |
Isnt this part of Ferdinands job? To keep continuity between managers , players etc.? |
Should be but the last two managers don't suggest that. Fernandes said Ferdinand advised against Holloway and McClaren was an obvious pick by Fernandes | | | |
| Paul Smyth's mum on 16:42 - Sep 28 with 1368 views | PhilmyRs |
It does feel reading this and a lot of other comments about the direction the club is taking is a reversion of history. Taking a few points in isolation:
Last season and Holloway.
Holloway did a decent job under difficult circumstances. He was not “all about youth”. He did, what I think was the right thing, blooded youngsters in numbers only once the pressure was off. Players completed loans, got a few minutes here and there with those that impressed (Furlong) putting themselves forward for a permanent starting place. For the first 4 games of last season not one young player started — Manning and Furlong got some minutes from the bench, that’s it. The following 6 games only one match involved more than 2 young players (Wheeler (although not really a kid), Manning and Furlong all started just one game together). On the whole, experience was prioritised over youth.
Fast forward a few months and with the points on the table Holloway secured the right to blood the youngsters. He didn’t throw them in when the pressure was on. Thinking we were going to start this season with a golden generation of youngsters was fantasy. Our youth academy is a massive step up on what it was — the Max Ehmer’s of this world are being replaced with players of the quality of Eze and Furlong but we still have a long way to go. We’re not suitably stocked to lose a player like Darnell Furlong —a hardworking right back whose recently established himself with the first team — with a like for like replacement from our academy (Kakay). A successful youth policy would be having 2 established youngsters in the first team come the end of the season and 2 or 3 in the match day squad ready to step up. We have Lumley in goal, we have Eze looking the part, by the end of the season I would expect to see more of BOS (this is the one player I find the Managers treatment of a bit strange), Furlong and possibly Manning if transfers dealings go the right way in January. It’s still early days this season, to suggest the Managers a fraud and we’ve abandoned our commitment to develop and work with players a little over the top. Let’s wait and see, a team of Lumley in goal, Furlong at right back, Manning in midfield, BOS out wide and Eze playing off the striker would constitute a resounding success from a player development perspective. | | | |
| Paul Smyth's mum on 18:51 - Sep 28 with 1289 views | BklynRanger |
| Paul Smyth's mum on 16:42 - Sep 28 by PhilmyRs |
It does feel reading this and a lot of other comments about the direction the club is taking is a reversion of history. Taking a few points in isolation:
Last season and Holloway.
Holloway did a decent job under difficult circumstances. He was not “all about youth”. He did, what I think was the right thing, blooded youngsters in numbers only once the pressure was off. Players completed loans, got a few minutes here and there with those that impressed (Furlong) putting themselves forward for a permanent starting place. For the first 4 games of last season not one young player started — Manning and Furlong got some minutes from the bench, that’s it. The following 6 games only one match involved more than 2 young players (Wheeler (although not really a kid), Manning and Furlong all started just one game together). On the whole, experience was prioritised over youth.
Fast forward a few months and with the points on the table Holloway secured the right to blood the youngsters. He didn’t throw them in when the pressure was on. Thinking we were going to start this season with a golden generation of youngsters was fantasy. Our youth academy is a massive step up on what it was — the Max Ehmer’s of this world are being replaced with players of the quality of Eze and Furlong but we still have a long way to go. We’re not suitably stocked to lose a player like Darnell Furlong —a hardworking right back whose recently established himself with the first team — with a like for like replacement from our academy (Kakay). A successful youth policy would be having 2 established youngsters in the first team come the end of the season and 2 or 3 in the match day squad ready to step up. We have Lumley in goal, we have Eze looking the part, by the end of the season I would expect to see more of BOS (this is the one player I find the Managers treatment of a bit strange), Furlong and possibly Manning if transfers dealings go the right way in January. It’s still early days this season, to suggest the Managers a fraud and we’ve abandoned our commitment to develop and work with players a little over the top. Let’s wait and see, a team of Lumley in goal, Furlong at right back, Manning in midfield, BOS out wide and Eze playing off the striker would constitute a resounding success from a player development perspective. |
Phil I take what you're saying but that all seems to me to be work that was done last season, and some of it currently being undone. Lumley only got in because Ingram had a shocking start to the season, Manning is out on loan; BOS has had something like 11 mins in the last 4 games; we've no idea to what extent Furlong will be included when he gets back and playing Eze doesn't exactly make him Stephen Hawking.
I agree that we shouldn't overstate what we have but it's hard at this point to feel optimistic about Schteve's belief in the process so far. | | | |
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