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Reply | Rangers v the Oat Cake Eaters match thread
at 09:16 21 Nov 2024
Surely that's the owners decision and if they are mad enough to sack Marti then the CEO / Director of Football laughably has to go as well, the buck stops there......
Marti proved last season he can do a great job he's not the problem..... [Post edited 21 Nov 9:17]
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Reply | Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out
at 09:56 20 Nov 2024
Interesting you are correct I shouldn't have said Nourry thought that's my fault, as you rightly say this Forum is all about opinions and the good thing is they are very diverse.
That said the person who has to take responsibility for the Summers transfer strategy surely has to be the CEO, now it might have been the Director of Football but we have scrapped that role and given it to the inexperienced CEO. None of us know what sort of process took place with regard to the actual transfers, we all hope there was some collaboration with the Manager but it definitely looks hugely analytical driven, do we think any scouting of the players took place.
The ban on giving Clive any interviews is very telling, just one interview with the Manager would clear up a lot of the Unknowns, how can anybody say it's all going to plan, relegation looks highly likely and that will also impact any transfer fees we may possibly get, priority number 1 was to build a plan that kept the club in the division whilst developing new players..... |
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Reply | Twenty minutes Marti, you and the head of the cod – Column
at 10:18 19 Nov 2024
Superb stuff Dorse, made me laugh a number of times and your thoughts pretty much sum up how I feel, Marti needs the right ingredients for sure he's working with scraps.
If the plan is to get in 10 players with potential in the hope that one comes good for market then it's a massive gamble which could well see us in League one.
Thanks for the much needed humour, it's been pretty grim up till now but I still think Marti is the man for the job......    |
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Reply | Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out
at 09:45 19 Nov 2024
Wow I find this truly amazing that anybody can say it's going to plan, having won only one game, playing some poor football and only getting points with backs to the wall defending.
We all know that the club needs to make money and getting prospects in, giving them experience and selling them on is exactly the model that got Brentford promoted, it's been discussed on here till the "cows come home", that market has also shrunk in the last few years and you need top quality players to be bought by a Premiership club to make decent money.
The strategy in the Summer was far too one eyed, only going for players from abroad and not looking at the UK market, we brought in 10 new players and some of them needed to have Championship experience to give us a fighting chance of avoiding relegation.
Not sure if you ever been involved in Project Management but when putting your strategy together you would assess every different factor before making your extensive plans for the next season and number one priority for the owners and the football club is don't get relegated, the transfer strategy was a massive gamble.
Getting Championship players has worked before a certain Mr Warnock did it very successfully, there's nothing wrong in getting some older heads in to work with the younger prospects until they get up to speed.
Trouble is Nourry thought exactly along the lines you have described I presume a massive coincidence, there's plenty of posts on this thread and the Marti out one by Nico and Hunter explaining why Nourry is out of his depth, if he's going to stay then he needs a Director of Football. [Post edited 19 Nov 10:28]
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Reply | Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out
at 17:15 15 Nov 2024
Nobody has a problem looking further afield for new players in the slightest, it was something that needed to be done but it was done at the exclusion of looking at any players already in the UK. The squad needed a balance of new players, the Championship is unforgiving and a better league than people realise as a lot of quality has filtered down from the Premiership. We needed some of the new influx to have some Championship level experience, when you compare our recruitment to the rest of the division it looks poor and we spent money for a change.
The budget that the club were working with was never going to allow for more than about 10 players, we are not Nottingham Forest we can't manipulae the transfer market, you need a second club to be able to hide transfer fees. Having lost some key players it was critical that we recruited well, now it's all personal opinion but a number of the new players look out of their depth, as a club we don't have the time to spend a whole season seeing if we can bring them up to speed.
We don't know they only use data, which is true but I think nearly everything points to the fact that none of the players were actually scouted by the club, how many times do you think any of them were watched before we actually bought them.
Everyone wanted Dykes gone, I'm not sure where you get that from, the bloke added a lot to the team in his hold up and link up play, admittedly he let himself down as he wasn't quick and couldn't dribble with the ball etc but the point being we've replaced him with Celar who looks a lot worse, were suffering because Frey is injured whose marginally better than Dykes. It's an absolute mess on the striker front we should never have gone into this season with only Celar and Frey as strikers.
We should of pushed for getting a striker on loan, there were options out there.....
The list goes on we should have signed a left back, according to a thread on here Hayden was an option but we went for Ashby , so we ditched getting Championship experience for a right back whose on loan from Newcastle.
We don't know contract lengths that's for sure and it's embarrassing, Nourry thinks he can hide information from the fans that in some way gives him a tactical advantage, its a joke ....
So the CEO has said that the signings are a collaborative process, how do we know that or have some of them just been dumped on Marti and he's been told to get on with it as he's the Head Coach, we are obviously not going to know any of the facts because Nourry has stopped our Manager doing interviews, is that not possibly telling that the CEO is frightened of what he might say....
There is a big injury list which is contributing to the clubs current situation, with a bit of luck it may improve but don't hold your breath, Marti deserves huge credit for last season in keeping us up I personally just don't want him made to be the scapegoat. |
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Reply | Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out
at 14:02 15 Nov 2024
How not to employ the correct staff for starters and training classes for kitchen salesmen obviously. |
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Reply | Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out
at 13:44 15 Nov 2024
Bump - Sadly no news of his sacking yet, because one things for sure he won't walk.
Somebody posted that people are against him because of his age and he's posh, that's absolute rubbish, we have all given him plenty of time to create a stable club but all the points posted by 1JD on page 5 are damning evidence, we need somebody with experience in the position who is not just relying on analytics. |
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Reply | MC has got to go
at 09:39 13 Nov 2024
Everything about this thread screams GET NOURRY OUT...... |
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Reply | Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out
at 09:08 13 Nov 2024
Yup the points Ned made are true but it's your last paragraph which is telling, we've all given Nourry the benefit of the doubt from day one, i was shocked that we had given the job to a 26 year old, but I thought to myself don't be ageist, just because I'm a Senior fan (lol) , everybody deserves a chance.
The posts made by Nico and Hunter on the MC out thread on Nourry are very telling and the list of Nourrys decisions on our strategy on page 5 of this thread by 1JD are very damning.
The owners mainly Rubén are going to have to make a decision in the next couple of weeks, do we stick or twist because by January it will be too late, ok we can't get any more players in before January but somebody has to decide whether we stick with the Manager and I feel he has been given very little support, just get on and coach seems to be the attitude. [Post edited 13 Nov 9:11]
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Reply | Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out
at 08:22 13 Nov 2024
Absolutely I wake up now worrying what this child running our club is going to do next, he needs to be sacked because he won't walk, he's on a nice six figure salary and he won't walk away from that, Lee Hoos should resign for appointing him.
Can we also stop posting on the MC has to go thread unless you have some weird desire to get rid of a manager who has been stitched up by the CEO, most of the posts on there are highlighting the dubious career statistics of Nourry, fraud takes on all sorts of guises.
The manager has been let down in so many ways and after his miraculous escape act last season he deserves the right to try and dig us out of this hole, any new manager will just be working with the same players and that's the big problem, how have we let somebody so inexperienced to have the keys to the finances and dictate all strategy.
Waking up to see articles on the Internet of Gregory Vignal eyed for QPR job as former Rangers star on shortlist to replace Marti Cifuentes is madness, the bloke has zero experience so I guess that would attract Nourry, I'm sure most would agree without the injuries we would very likely be in a better position and that's not Martis fault. [Post edited 13 Nov 8:35]
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Reply | Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out
at 15:24 12 Nov 2024
Sorry Monkey but Nourry has failed, read 1JDs post near the top of the page, total one eyed transfer dealings, why in the hell did we give so much responsibility to someone without any experience, better ask Lee Hoos that one... |
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Reply | MC has got to go
at 12:58 12 Nov 2024
The general consensus of opinion is that we need to keep Marti and get rid of Nourry so any chance this thread can die a death and not have it at the top of the page, people like Nourry will look at social media all the time and if he thinks the fan base want Marti out he's going to use that as an excuse to persevere with his one eyed management. |
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Reply | Now it ´s started, Gregory Vignal
at 12:36 12 Nov 2024
This is some sort of a joke surely, get Nourry out now before he wastes even more money, for pitys sake don't use Marti as a scapegoat for Nourrys total failure to run the club properly, get an adult with experience to do his job. |
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Reply | MC has got to go
at 12:03 12 Nov 2024
Jeez I can't believe that's real, get Nourry out now and keep Cifuentes for pitys sake, don't let Nourry use Marti as a scapegoat for his failings...... |
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Reply | Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out
at 09:39 12 Nov 2024
Exactly that list is all Nourrys responsibility, major decisions which have got us to a worse situation than last year after spending what little money we had in the Summer, signing 10 players without one of them having Championship experience is madness, he's just gambling with the money like he's in a casino, a young man of 26 with no football experience.
I totally appreciate that sacking Nourry now is not going to change what happens on the pitch in the next two months but he needs to go and be replaced with somebody with experience, Hoos is just as culpable because I'm guessing it's him who sold the idea to Rubén. As for Belk he's just done his job identifying targets for positions in the team, it's the Director of Football laughably Nourry who decides what markets we are shopping in and the squad composition.
Some sort of change needs to happen to try and start rectifying the situation now, this season may well be too late because we look totally bereft with attacking intent and by January it looks as if we will be cut adrift. |
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Reply | Fan Mobilisation - Nourry Out
at 10:54 10 Nov 2024
Sensible post because it's the decision making that's the problem, Rubén from all we can see from the outside is a good man and only has the best interests of the club at heart.
He has put his trust in other people to make decisions as he is based thousands of miles away from Loftus Road, but as you will rightly say he must have the final say on some issues he's the one keeping the club afloat.
That said I'm quite sure he wasn't involved in all of the Summer transfers they are down to Nourry and Belk, once the people have been appointed he lets them get on with the job. The reason we're in such a mess is because a number of the deals we did in the summer were incredibly naive and did not allow for needing players with Championship experience to be recruited or retained, I'd Dykes and Larkeche would be a big help at the moment.
So the recruitment of Nourry was very poor because he was and is far too inexperienced, to give him so much power was asking for trouble and for that I blame Lee Hoos, some of this is guesswork but I think he was so impressed by Nourry in his other work he thought he could take over and run a football club without any football knowledge. To give Nourry the role of CEO and DOF was madness, he's an intelligent young man but that's it, we need experience at the top running the budget and making the decisions.
We cant get new owners at the moment but Hoos should step aside immediately and they should replace Nourry and Belk as well, a clean sweep.....
Have a look at other Championship clubs transfer dealings in the Summer, far more intelligence used to create balanced squads and not just using a bunch of statistics.
There's plenty of examples out there of bringing players in to improve clubs, one that immediately springs to mind is Ipswich last year picking up Luongo for nothing and him playing all season alongside Morsy, the point being we didn't look at anything else apart from a bunch of analytics. [Post edited 10 Nov 11:14]
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Reply | Ownership of QPR
at 10:21 10 Nov 2024
Exactly the cost of getting new owners is massive as has been highlighted by Clive a number of times, they don't grow on trees, we are not going to get new owners with the current state of play of the club, nothing makes the club an attractive proposition. |
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Reply | Moneyball
at 09:30 10 Nov 2024
Certainly didn't see those figures at all when we signed him, now people are guessing and probably inflating the transfer fee as they are hugely pissed off......
Agree with Watford the big problem may well be the length of contract and salary, let's face it he's never going to move on and at the moment Madsen looks like a downgrade on Dozzell and I would never have thought that was achievable with a decent budget and a half decent bit of scouting. |
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Reply | Moneyball
at 08:36 10 Nov 2024
Look I know we all think they are crap and were in a desperate mess but when we were buying the players the figures talked about were between 1.5 to 2.5 so I don't think we've paid anywhere near that figure.......oh there still a waste of very limited resource money.... |
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Reply | Nourry should walk.
at 10:03 9 Nov 2024
That will be criminal if they blame Marti for the current shambles, he's been let down massively by Nourry and Belk, we desperately need somebody with footballing experience to take over..... |
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