| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract 18:38 - Apr 1 with 24915 views | heywooddale |
Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract according to Richard Partington on twitter |  | | |  |
| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 22:47 - Apr 2 with 4188 views | wmgunit |
| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 22:35 - Apr 2 by ColDale |
Wage Bill 2010-11 £1,162,040 - finished 9th
Wage Bill 2011-12 £1,380,621 - finished 24th |
Fantastic stat. |  | | |
| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 23:39 - Apr 2 with 4098 views | olympicdale |
| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 22:47 - Apr 2 by wmgunit |
Fantastic stat. |
thats a staggering stat, just shows you dont need to spend more to gain success, big wages for largely average players. |  |
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| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 09:39 - Apr 3 with 3974 views | pl56 |
| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 22:35 - Apr 2 by ColDale |
Wage Bill 2010-11 £1,162,040 - finished 9th
Wage Bill 2011-12 £1,380,621 - finished 24th |
Many thanks Col ; a very impressive and telling statistic .
In effect we paid nigh on 20% more for a total surrender of Div 1 status ? | | | |
| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 10:06 - Apr 3 with 3942 views | R17ALE |
| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 09:39 - Apr 3 by pl56 |
Many thanks Col ; a very impressive and telling statistic .
In effect we paid nigh on 20% more for a total surrender of Div 1 status ? |
And it also jeopardises Coleman's statement that he never received the budget he was promised before taking the job. |  |
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| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 10:12 - Apr 3 with 3926 views | judd |
| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 10:06 - Apr 3 by R17ALE |
And it also jeopardises Coleman's statement that he never received the budget he was promised before taking the job. |
Is that wage bill purely the playing staff wage bill? |  |
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| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 10:18 - Apr 3 with 3912 views | ColDale |
| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 10:12 - Apr 3 by judd |
Is that wage bill purely the playing staff wage bill? |
it comes under "wages of players". Coaching staff and youth players are classed separately. |  | | |
| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 10:23 - Apr 3 with 3893 views | 442Dale |
| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 10:06 - Apr 3 by R17ALE |
And it also jeopardises Coleman's statement that he never received the budget he was promised before taking the job. |
Those figures will only include money spent up until the end of last season, budgets may have been reassessed after relegation. Again, this year's figures in this area will make interesting reading in 12 months time. |  |
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| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 10:23 - Apr 3 with 3892 views | judd |
| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 10:18 - Apr 3 by ColDale |
it comes under "wages of players". Coaching staff and youth players are classed separately. |
Ta.
Where did the managers' pay off get accounted - under coaching staff? | |
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| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 10:44 - Apr 3 with 3873 views | Daley_Lama |
While not attempting to be an apologist for Eyre or Coleman in anyway, 2011-2012 was the year of the loanee.
The likes of Robert D'Morte and Bogdanovic from Blackpool would have been on whacking wages while on loan I guess. The cheque book must have been in constant use as firstly Eyre and then Coleman brought in loanee after loanee to try to stem the tide in a Canute stylee. |  |
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| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 11:38 - Apr 3 with 3802 views | ColDale |
I'd assume changing manager midseason is the worst thing to happen to a wage budget. You set your budget out for the season in the expectation it will work. Keeping things back in case it doesnt work out is the same as not backing your manager.
Any new manager (especially one with a comfortable job elsewhere) will not want to be told he has to stick with what he has. So the club has to find the money to fund the necessary changes - all this is a season where gate receipts dropped by over 10% as well. | | | |
| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 12:08 - Apr 3 with 3770 views | Daley_Lama |
| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 11:38 - Apr 3 by ColDale |
I'd assume changing manager midseason is the worst thing to happen to a wage budget. You set your budget out for the season in the expectation it will work. Keeping things back in case it doesnt work out is the same as not backing your manager.
Any new manager (especially one with a comfortable job elsewhere) will not want to be told he has to stick with what he has. So the club has to find the money to fund the necessary changes - all this is a season where gate receipts dropped by over 10% as well. |
"will not want to be" or "will not be" in the case of Mr Blackwell down the road. | |
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| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 12:14 - Apr 3 with 3755 views | pl56 |
| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 11:38 - Apr 3 by ColDale |
I'd assume changing manager midseason is the worst thing to happen to a wage budget. You set your budget out for the season in the expectation it will work. Keeping things back in case it doesnt work out is the same as not backing your manager.
Any new manager (especially one with a comfortable job elsewhere) will not want to be told he has to stick with what he has. So the club has to find the money to fund the necessary changes - all this is a season where gate receipts dropped by over 10% as well. |
I don't know now , but presumably the average gate was just over 3000 - say average of 15 quid a head for 23 games is approximately 1.03 million , so with cup games does that mean our players wages were covered by football activities during the season ? I'm guessing again , but presumably the 1 million I understood to be Div 1 allocation from League and TV monies would then fund other wages and overheads ?
If the above is true , what other revenue streams are declared to make up total club income for the year ?
Genuine questions - presumably we've also taken a hit for next year , post-parachute payments , and with reduced attendances of 1/2 million ? | | | |
| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 12:47 - Apr 3 with 3696 views | wmgunit |
Is there a similar stat for net transfer fees? | | | |
| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 12:53 - Apr 3 with 3680 views | Newbury_Dale |
Is it really a reliable stat though ? Signing players when you're in League 1 is always going to cost more than signing players in League 2, as the player's expectations around wages are just a little bit more. | | | |
| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 13:00 - Apr 3 with 3663 views | judd |
| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 12:53 - Apr 3 by Newbury_Dale |
Is it really a reliable stat though ? Signing players when you're in League 1 is always going to cost more than signing players in League 2, as the player's expectations around wages are just a little bit more. |
But aren't those stats comparing 1st season in League One with second season? | |
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| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 13:24 - Apr 3 with 3638 views | olympicdale |
| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 10:06 - Apr 3 by R17ALE |
And it also jeopardises Coleman's statement that he never received the budget he was promised before taking the job. |
a lying scouser, now theres a first. | |
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| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 14:23 - Apr 3 with 3582 views | KenBoon |
tbf to Eyre we lost our two best players in the summer. One of them sold from under him. And recruiting for League One standard whilst in League One is probably much more expensive than picking up ambitious Footballers or 'broken toys' in League Two. |  | | |
| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 15:11 - Apr 3 with 3533 views | 442Dale |
| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 14:23 - Apr 3 by KenBoon |
tbf to Eyre we lost our two best players in the summer. One of them sold from under him. And recruiting for League One standard whilst in League One is probably much more expensive than picking up ambitious Footballers or 'broken toys' in League Two. |
But Hill recruited for League 1 and spent less, even if some of it was on Elding.
And as soon as Hill left, there was very little chance COG was going to stay. That should have been planned for. | |
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| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 15:45 - Apr 3 with 3503 views | R17ALE |
| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 15:11 - Apr 3 by 442Dale |
But Hill recruited for League 1 and spent less, even if some of it was on Elding.
And as soon as Hill left, there was very little chance COG was going to stay. That should have been planned for. |
And we need a plan for future incoming transfer fees too. Generally it takes 2 years to sign a goodun, do them up, and flog them. Looking at the current squad it's difficult to predict who might fit that bill.
In the meantime, we're going to have to hope our interests in Lambert, Dawson, COG and Buckley pay us a dividend or two. I'm fairly sure all our other exports have since had a break in the chain meaning the likes of Alfie and Murray aren't worth anything to us anymore.
Because, over the last two years we've collected £1.5m in fees, but our net profit has been £760,000. Basic maths sets the alarm bells off. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 16:06 - Apr 3 with 3469 views | olympicdale |
| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 15:11 - Apr 3 by 442Dale |
But Hill recruited for League 1 and spent less, even if some of it was on Elding.
And as soon as Hill left, there was very little chance COG was going to stay. That should have been planned for. |
We all knew once Hill left O'Grady was going to be off, but instead the board put all their eggs in keeping him, offering him the best contract in the clubs history, but it doesnt excuse the fact he has never since been replaced. Attempts to replace him with players like MBH/Eccleston/Bergkamp were pathetic at best. Losing key players is not an excuse for Eyres poor campaign, plenty of teams have this happen to them but get on with it, the board seemed to use it a an excuse for failure the whole season. | |
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| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 22:32 - Apr 3 with 3307 views | D_Dale |
| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 10:18 - Apr 3 by ColDale |
it comes under "wages of players". Coaching staff and youth players are classed separately. |
In 2010-11 Dale fielded 31 different players in league games, in 2011-12 the total was 40. Maybe that was a factor. (This season the number stands at 27.) Usually the more settled a team the more successful it is. | | | |
| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 22:47 - Apr 3 with 3287 views | StAnnesDale |
| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 10:06 - Apr 3 by R17ALE |
And it also jeopardises Coleman's statement that he never received the budget he was promised before taking the job. |
I did not think Coleman complained about the League 1 budget, - just the budget in League 2 which he said was not much higher than he had had at Accrington.
Next accounts will be very grim. OK the number of loan signings will have dropped but we had to pay-off a large number of pre-Coleman signings last Summer, had no cup-runs, and have no-one likely to attract a decent fee. Without a cup run, losses will continue for a good while unless wages are more closely aligned to revenue which would probably see us relegated. Need the new manager (hopefully Hill) to sign some good young players in the Summer. | | | |
| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 00:05 - Apr 4 with 3227 views | Daley_Lama |
Simple number cruncher from me in all of this.
Our current average attendance this season is 2251.
If one disreguarded everything and said every single paying attendee payed the maximum i.e. £20 that away fans are charged, the calculation is...
20 (home games) x £20 x 2251
Even with this most perfect of weighting, that comes to £900,400.
Well below either seasons player budget alone.
Who'd be a Chairman? | |
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| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 10:16 - Apr 4 with 3155 views | Hopwoodblue |
What we have to hope for next season is a couple of decent cup draws, ie Top Premiership team in round 2 of the Capital cup, and Manure away in round 3 of the FA Cup.Its a very long time since we had anything like that and I'm sure we are due at least one good cup draw. If we could make a million from the TV and gates that would tide us over for 12 months and at least give Hill the chance to build a decent squad which equals higher gates which equals more revenue into the club. |  |
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| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 11:35 - Apr 4 with 3116 views | R17ALE |
| Keith Hill in talks over a 3 year contract on 00:05 - Apr 4 by Daley_Lama |
Simple number cruncher from me in all of this.
Our current average attendance this season is 2251.
If one disreguarded everything and said every single paying attendee payed the maximum i.e. £20 that away fans are charged, the calculation is...
20 (home games) x £20 x 2251
Even with this most perfect of weighting, that comes to £900,400.
Well below either seasons player budget alone.
Who'd be a Chairman? |
It is probably nearer to an average of £15 per person Lama, and it's 23 league games which equals £776,595.
And 20% of that goes to the VAT man leaving us with £621,276.
Either way it is grim, and as pcolly said elsewhere, it makes the search for new fans even more vital. | |
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