| Rob Green 16:44 - Dec 26 with 8940 views | TheBlob |
Merry Christmas but you forgot to gift wrap the presents. |  |
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| Rob Green on 12:35 - Dec 27 with 1113 views | gobbles |
| Rob Green on 12:24 - Dec 27 by QPR_John |
Have just seen MoD now to me it is clear. Fortuna clearly adopts a position, knees bent, as if he is about to sit down, he is not simply standing in front of Green. If Green was not there Fortuna would have fell, it is the only possible outcome from his position, hence he is backing into Green and the only outcome is a foul to the keeper. Now you can criticise Green all you like and he could have been stronger but it was a foul by the West Brom player [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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By this logic, if Fortune had not been there, Green would have fallen over when he climbed all over Fortune. Likewise, as Green is also such a wimp that he couldn't cope with Fortune leaning back, Green is lucky that Fortune did not fall over when Green pushed him. |  | | |
| Rob Green on 12:45 - Dec 27 with 1099 views | pogle |
| Rob Green on 12:35 - Dec 27 by gobbles |
By this logic, if Fortune had not been there, Green would have fallen over when he climbed all over Fortune. Likewise, as Green is also such a wimp that he couldn't cope with Fortune leaning back, Green is lucky that Fortune did not fall over when Green pushed him. |
Isn't it ironic don't you think, but wasn't it a foul on the Bolton keeper last game of the season that kept QPR in the Premier League . |  | | |
| Rob Green on 12:46 - Dec 27 with 1096 views | Juzzie |
Fortune was backing into Green, not just standing still. Also, if Green had gone forward to punch the ball what if Fortune had gone down like a sack of spuds and a penalty was given?
I don't agree with the way keepers are so protected but as that is what it is, it was definatley a foul on Green.
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| Rob Green on 12:50 - Dec 27 with 1090 views | WatfordR |
Honestly don't understand how we've got a five page thread on all this.
Yes, it was a foul. 99 times out of 100 such an incident will result in the goalie getting a free kick, and so when you are looking to the officials to be consistent, it's disappointing that it's us on the wrong end of it.
However how any can suggest it was anything other than weak and poor goalkeeping I don't know. It's the sort of thing you might expect to see in an under 11s match where the regular goalie is missing and the kid who normally doesn't get a game cos he's useless gets handed the gloves. Way way way removed from what you expect of a professional.
That's it really. End of. |  | | |
| Rob Green on 12:51 - Dec 27 with 1087 views | QPR_John |
| Rob Green on 12:35 - Dec 27 by gobbles |
By this logic, if Fortune had not been there, Green would have fallen over when he climbed all over Fortune. Likewise, as Green is also such a wimp that he couldn't cope with Fortune leaning back, Green is lucky that Fortune did not fall over when Green pushed him. |
No he does not have to cope if the referee is doing his job. In football you cannot lean into a player with no intent to play the ball. It really is as simple as that. Why are you allowing your dislike of Green to cloud the issue. Criticise Green all you want but it was a foul. Green may have handled it better but it was a foul. Whatever way you want to look at at the end of the day it was a foul. | | | |
| Rob Green on 12:55 - Dec 27 with 1078 views | Neil_SI |
Whether it was a foul or not, Green took a stupid risk and copped out of dealing with the situation properly. The keeper needs to be strong and commanding and even if he thinks he might be fouled, he has to go at full force to keep the ball out of the net and he did neither of these things on this occasion.
He played a stupid game and got punished for it. An experienced keeper like he should know a lot better, it was so poor and costly.
Some referees may have given it, some may not, and in that case, and in the case that a lot of opinions are divided whether it was a foul or not, that tells you it's one of those that can go either way and when it's like that, you definitely don't muck around and take any risks.
Fortune barely touched Green for him to go into his own net and just stand there and for me, he does little wrong overall. There is some initial minimal contact, perhaps had Green actually stood there with him and that contact been more persistent, it may have got him the free kick he was looking for, but he didn't, he backed off into the net and stayed there and then didn't clear the area out when he needed to. He even had time to shift to one side and go around Fortune if he really wanted, but his footwork is a real problem anyway and something he needs to work on as well.
For me, I'm disappointed with him about this. |  | | |
| Rob Green on 12:57 - Dec 27 with 1071 views | Zolton |
| Rob Green on 12:50 - Dec 27 by WatfordR |
Honestly don't understand how we've got a five page thread on all this.
Yes, it was a foul. 99 times out of 100 such an incident will result in the goalie getting a free kick, and so when you are looking to the officials to be consistent, it's disappointing that it's us on the wrong end of it.
However how any can suggest it was anything other than weak and poor goalkeeping I don't know. It's the sort of thing you might expect to see in an under 11s match where the regular goalie is missing and the kid who normally doesn't get a game cos he's useless gets handed the gloves. Way way way removed from what you expect of a professional.
That's it really. End of. |
Was the push on Fortuné a penalty then or is that allowed?
You seem to be selective on the incidents you see. | | | |
| Rob Green on 12:59 - Dec 27 with 1069 views | WatfordR |
| Rob Green on 12:51 - Dec 27 by QPR_John |
No he does not have to cope if the referee is doing his job. In football you cannot lean into a player with no intent to play the ball. It really is as simple as that. Why are you allowing your dislike of Green to cloud the issue. Criticise Green all you want but it was a foul. Green may have handled it better but it was a foul. Whatever way you want to look at at the end of the day it was a foul. |
Thing is by looking for the ref to do your work for you, you are leaving yourself open to this kind of decision going against you. Clear the ball at all costs, then let the ref do what he wants. He can award a pen. He can send Green off. But the ball still isn't in the net. Not yet anyway.
The West Brom handball, the guy hasnt thought "I'll get my hand out of the way, I'll let the ball past me and I'll hope they don't score". He's stopped the ball going into a dangerous position, and given the officials a decision to make. Then it's gone in his favour, but he's done what he's there to do initially. That's what Green should have done. | | | |
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| Rob Green on 13:10 - Dec 27 with 1048 views | THEBUSH |
| Rob Green on 12:57 - Dec 27 by Zolton |
Was the push on Fortuné a penalty then or is that allowed?
You seem to be selective on the incidents you see. |
You may be the better team, but the two big decisions went in your favour, don't you think ? |  | | |
| Rob Green on 13:10 - Dec 27 with 1050 views | themodfather |
| Rob Green on 12:59 - Dec 27 by WatfordR |
Thing is by looking for the ref to do your work for you, you are leaving yourself open to this kind of decision going against you. Clear the ball at all costs, then let the ref do what he wants. He can award a pen. He can send Green off. But the ball still isn't in the net. Not yet anyway.
The West Brom handball, the guy hasnt thought "I'll get my hand out of the way, I'll let the ball past me and I'll hope they don't score". He's stopped the ball going into a dangerous position, and given the officials a decision to make. Then it's gone in his favour, but he's done what he's there to do initially. That's what Green should have done. |
he does this over and over again and in our situation we can't give goals away.
TIME FOR HIM TO GO.
i never rated him and to stand there and flap at the ball, was poor. i kept thinking of the german goalie and what he'd do, come out and flatten the guy, break bones and watch the guy stretchered off..AND GERMANY KICKED OFF, NO FOUL!
clear the ball, clear the line...simples. schoolboy stuff. | | | |
| Rob Green on 14:05 - Dec 27 with 1036 views | QPR_John |
| Rob Green on 12:55 - Dec 27 by Neil_SI |
Whether it was a foul or not, Green took a stupid risk and copped out of dealing with the situation properly. The keeper needs to be strong and commanding and even if he thinks he might be fouled, he has to go at full force to keep the ball out of the net and he did neither of these things on this occasion.
He played a stupid game and got punished for it. An experienced keeper like he should know a lot better, it was so poor and costly.
Some referees may have given it, some may not, and in that case, and in the case that a lot of opinions are divided whether it was a foul or not, that tells you it's one of those that can go either way and when it's like that, you definitely don't muck around and take any risks.
Fortune barely touched Green for him to go into his own net and just stand there and for me, he does little wrong overall. There is some initial minimal contact, perhaps had Green actually stood there with him and that contact been more persistent, it may have got him the free kick he was looking for, but he didn't, he backed off into the net and stayed there and then didn't clear the area out when he needed to. He even had time to shift to one side and go around Fortune if he really wanted, but his footwork is a real problem anyway and something he needs to work on as well.
For me, I'm disappointed with him about this. |
"Fortune barely touched Green "
If you had seen Fortuna adopt that position with no visible means of support you'd have wonder where the strings were | | | |
| Rob Green on 14:18 - Dec 27 with 1021 views | Neil_SI |
| Rob Green on 14:05 - Dec 27 by QPR_John |
"Fortune barely touched Green "
If you had seen Fortuna adopt that position with no visible means of support you'd have wonder where the strings were |
There is always going to be some form of "normal" contact between players and you could argue that this was that form of contact. If it had been out on the pitch and a striker was doing this to a defender when receiving the ball with his back to goal, you'd be very frustrated if you were to concede a free-kick. | | | |
| Rob Green on 14:33 - Dec 27 with 998 views | PinnerPaul |
| Rob Green on 12:45 - Dec 27 by pogle |
Isn't it ironic don't you think, but wasn't it a foul on the Bolton keeper last game of the season that kept QPR in the Premier League . |
That's ridiculous.
More "ironic" that we scored a perfectly good goal v Bolton that was not allowed surely.
If that was allowed last game wouldn't have mattered (to us anyway!) | | | |
| Rob Green on 14:55 - Dec 27 with 979 views | gazza1 |
Rob Green was fouled and a free kick should have been given......however he did not help himself one bit by stepping back over the line, nor was he strong enough.
He has a mistake in him in every match.....
I am not so sure that Ceasar is any better tbh. | | | |
| Rob Green on 14:57 - Dec 27 with 977 views | QPRDave |
| Rob Green on 12:57 - Dec 27 by Zolton |
Was the push on Fortuné a penalty then or is that allowed?
You seem to be selective on the incidents you see. |
I think you know as well as any of us it was a foul and if it had happened at your end you and the majority of your fans would say the same. As for pushing & pulling you can see 1,000 incidents a week inside the penalty area that are ignored by officials, but if it involves a GK the keeper gets a freekick everytime.
Even Dermott Gallacher on says on sky both decisions were wrong and cannot understand Foy's thinking on either |  | | |
| Rob Green on 15:00 - Dec 27 with 972 views | swissqpr |
| Rob Green on 14:18 - Dec 27 by Neil_SI |
There is always going to be some form of "normal" contact between players and you could argue that this was that form of contact. If it had been out on the pitch and a striker was doing this to a defender when receiving the ball with his back to goal, you'd be very frustrated if you were to concede a free-kick. |
If Fortune would jump for the Ball,yes,but because he didn't jump and only with his body and arms trying to undermine the movement from RG its clear obstruction.Its also not important from where Green starts to catch the ball,behind or in front of the line. | | | |
| Rob Green on 17:56 - Dec 27 with 910 views | JonDoeman |
| Rob Green on 12:45 - Dec 27 by pogle |
Isn't it ironic don't you think, but wasn't it a foul on the Bolton keeper last game of the season that kept QPR in the Premier League . |
Same ref as well.
Reckon yesterday Foy was out to prove he isn't our bitch! |  |
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| Rob Green on 18:01 - Dec 27 with 903 views | TheBlob |
It would actually have been better if Green had just fallen over and not touched the ball - would have got the free kick then.
Still,he's got a chance to do that on Sunday.Mr.Wobblyhands bound to start. | |
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| Rob Green on 18:31 - Dec 27 with 874 views | westolian |
| Rob Green on 14:55 - Dec 27 by gazza1 |
Rob Green was fouled and a free kick should have been given......however he did not help himself one bit by stepping back over the line, nor was he strong enough.
He has a mistake in him in every match.....
I am not so sure that Ceasar is any better tbh. |
Agree 100% |  |
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| Rob Green on 20:39 - Dec 27 with 825 views | TacticalR |
I think it was just about a foul, but I can understand why the ref didn't give it, and why it's debatable.
Having said that Green played himself into trouble. I think he lost track of where he was, and didn't realise he gone back a foot or two from the line (he moved back himself before he was backed into by Fortuné). I also think that he had decided right from when the ball went up in the air he was going to palm it over the bar, and didn't adjust to the fact that there was a man in front of him, and he needed to punch it out. Even if Fortuné hadn't moved a muscle that was a risky manoevre. He also jumped up when he tried to palm it over, and that left him very vulnerable to being caught off balance. |  |
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| Rob Green on 21:45 - Dec 27 with 800 views | baz_qpr |
| Rob Green on 14:55 - Dec 27 by gazza1 |
Rob Green was fouled and a free kick should have been given......however he did not help himself one bit by stepping back over the line, nor was he strong enough.
He has a mistake in him in every match.....
I am not so sure that Ceasar is any better tbh. |
Gazza you've come out with some right old sh*t over the years but are you really trying to say Cesar recently considered to be one of the top 5 goalkeepers in the world is not any better than Rob Green a keeper that so far has dropped so many clangers in the game time that he has had with us that it is probably more than 1 a game. The guy that set this rotten season right off on the wrong foot.
Seriously c'mon! |  | | |
| Rob Green on 22:20 - Dec 27 with 780 views | TacticalR |
Neither keeper seems to have a commanding presence. I still prefer César over Green. | |
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| Rob Green on 17:52 - Dec 28 with 693 views | AgedR |
| Rob Green on 12:45 - Dec 27 by pogle |
Isn't it ironic don't you think, but wasn't it a foul on the Bolton keeper last game of the season that kept QPR in the Premier League . |
Alanis Morrisette. What do I win? |  |
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| Rob Green on 00:43 - Dec 29 with 518 views | TheBlob |
Look,if you've ever been a keeper you know it's YOUR TURF and if someone gets in your way you TAKE THE MUTHA DOWN.It's always been thus from the darkest dawn of time.If you're not man enough to do it then step aside Son and let someone else take over. | |
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