Linford Christie Stadium. 18:04 - Aug 9 with 137827 views | ted_hendrix | That's where our new ground will be. | |
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Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:02 - Jul 17 with 3912 views | Rs_Holy |
Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:00 - Jul 17 by qprcmob | Brilliant |
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Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:18 - Jul 17 with 3845 views | CamberleyR |
Interesting theory Rs_H about the SBS. Looking at Palace's Whitehorse Lane stand, that has approx 2,200 seats and from the pictures it looks like it has about 17-18 rows of seats so about 125 per row. With the SBS being a side stand you'd get more seats in the row (say 150) but with a double decker row of boxes not as many rows, so say 12 rows x 150, 1800 seats, so about a 2500 reduction but like at Brentford the shortfall hopefully made up by the increase in revenue for extra hospitality. Does anyone know how many boxes there currently are in the SAR? 20? Would 40 luxury boxes make up for losing circa 2500 seats? With the SAR I'm not so sure you can get three tiers. Even with three tiers, to rebuild it to modern specs and regs I'm not sure you'd get more than is currently there now with the paddocks. However were the school land to be purchased you could build some new offices/club shop/box office there so these wouldn't need to be in the SAR/School End corner anymore and both tiers could go back further than now. I know people have mentioned Boavista's Estadio do Bessa on here many times as a new stadium blueprint but perhaps we should engage the architects who rebuilt that. | |
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Linford Christie Stadium. on 15:45 - Jul 17 with 3743 views | BAWHoops | Think I've said it on here before but the only way LR works is to knock the whole thing down and build it back with a capacity of 12k and lots more corporate seats | |
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Linford Christie Stadium. on 21:36 - Jul 17 with 3406 views | Juzzie | There’s only one person (that I know of) here who does have the knowledge and experience…….. c’mon Ted, tell us what is/isn’t feasible with Loftus Road so we all know once and for all! | | | |
Linford Christie Stadium. on 21:42 - Jul 17 with 3371 views | NorthantsHoop | I will just file this one, suspect that a bit like the new Heston training ground the Board will come up with something and it most likely won't involve a re-development of Loftus Road. | | | |
Linford Christie Stadium. on 22:32 - Jul 17 with 3174 views | HanwellHoopster |
Lovely idea, but the amount we'd have to spend on that to end up with some more corporate seats and a few thousand extra unsold seats every week makes the business case unworkable, to put it politely. If we're going to put the £100m plus required into a new stadium, then it needs to generate revenue for us all year round on non match days. That's through corporate events, other sports teams playing there, concerts etc etc. Your solution doesn't solve the fundamental issue of the facilities (toilets, bars etc) at Loftus Road being awful, and the seating space being woeful. We'd end up with a very expensive Frankenstein stadium that doesn't generate all that much more revenue than LR does today. Appreciate the thinking that went into it, but can't see it even nearly working. | | | |
Linford Christie Stadium. on 23:18 - Jul 17 with 3021 views | joe90 |
You can’t add anything to Stan Bowles Stand, there isn’t the space. I agree with BAWHoops. You’d have to knock down LR and start from scratch. We’d be lucky to get 17k. My view is that if we’re going to be here for the foreseeable then surely they could remove the pillars and put a new support structure in for the roof? | | | |
Linford Christie Stadium. on 00:16 - Jul 18 with 2928 views | ted_hendrix |
Linford Christie Stadium. on 21:36 - Jul 17 by Juzzie | There’s only one person (that I know of) here who does have the knowledge and experience…….. c’mon Ted, tell us what is/isn’t feasible with Loftus Road so we all know once and for all! |
The SA Road stand would require the following as a minimum. To extend upwards would require deep piling followed by 'pile capping' a *complete* dismantle of the existing structual steel framework and then obviously the rebuild as per whatever the design. The new stand (lol) would of course then become a larger 'footprint' thus requiring additional rainwater and sewerage drainage (think water presure in the SB stand (lol again). As Is the norm nowadays all of the utility Companies would be jumping up and down saying there Isn't enough 'capacity' In the area (more costs looming on the horizon) It wouldn't be impossible at all what It would be is expensive and a challenging There would be huge working time restrictions due to the area being heavily populated. The Environmental Noise Regulations fines are huge nowadays, so It's not just a matter of turning up and jack hammering away all the way though to completion. I would Imagine by using common sense QPR would go out and utilise/employ a "Design and Build" contractor. | |
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Linford Christie Stadium. on 00:28 - Jul 18 with 2905 views | Boston |
Linford Christie Stadium. on 00:16 - Jul 18 by ted_hendrix | The SA Road stand would require the following as a minimum. To extend upwards would require deep piling followed by 'pile capping' a *complete* dismantle of the existing structual steel framework and then obviously the rebuild as per whatever the design. The new stand (lol) would of course then become a larger 'footprint' thus requiring additional rainwater and sewerage drainage (think water presure in the SB stand (lol again). As Is the norm nowadays all of the utility Companies would be jumping up and down saying there Isn't enough 'capacity' In the area (more costs looming on the horizon) It wouldn't be impossible at all what It would be is expensive and a challenging There would be huge working time restrictions due to the area being heavily populated. The Environmental Noise Regulations fines are huge nowadays, so It's not just a matter of turning up and jack hammering away all the way though to completion. I would Imagine by using common sense QPR would go out and utilise/employ a "Design and Build" contractor. |
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Linford Christie Stadium. on 02:05 - Jul 18 with 2831 views | Hoopsie | I am big on retaining Loftus Road Stadium, refurbish, redevelop, what not, however, Council's local plan for Loftus Road stadium vicinity greatly discourage any sort of redevelopment (increase capacity, increase footprint, increase building height, increase amenities) of the stadium. As per London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham planning provision for local planning framework, Loftus Road Stadium falls under the strategic site policy WCRA 2 - White City West. One of the key statements regarding the stadium is spelled out as follows; 5.37 The Queens Park Rangers (QPR) football ground at Loftus Road is a cramped site with limited opportunity for expansion, and the Club’s ambitions should be considered in planning of this area over the next 20 years. The football stadium is a valued community asset for the White City community and the pitch is designated as openspace. Therefore any redevelopment of this site would need to re-provide a sport/community/leisure facility that could achieve substantial benefits for the community as well as open space, on-site or within the borough, in accordance with the other policies within the Local Plan. (in addition); .........If either the Loftus Road Stadium or Territorial Army (TA) Centre come forward for redevelopment, the council will seek residential led development. In relation to the Loftus Road site, in particular there should be re-provision of community facilities and open space in the borough, in accordance with the other policies in the Local Plan. It seems to me the club has not pursued redevelopment as they will be going in a direction contrary to what was proposed for the area. They are dealing with a council that is not amenable to the redevelopment of the stadium. Neither is the council amenable to the club relocating close to/within the locality, it seems, hence the LC stadium conundrum. At least in my mind, if we could redevelop Loftus Road, we could refurbish the Loftus road and Stan Bowles stands (new roof, same height, better seating and amenities - capacity may deceased), redevelop the school end stand, buy the school to add conference facilities, budget hotel, shops, restaurants, QPR museum, library (its was a school eh) and other suitable commercial facilities for non match day use in a newly constructed auxiliary building/facility on the newly acquired land adjoining the stadium, I suppose this adds to the parts of the actual stadium that can be opened out for profit - VIP boxes, superstore located in the South Africa Road stand, which I envisage that we could redevelop it as a mega stand with increasing capacity, bringing the capacity of the stadium to 20,000-22,000 which i think is ideal for the size of our club. Well, all this, together with any other suggestions of redevelopment, is wishful thinking unless we could get the Council to amend its proposed vision for the area. Maybe we can mobilise thousands of R's fans residing in the borough to influence the Council planning policy and a few of us can run for Councillors to affect any change. Maybe? | |
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Linford Christie Stadium. on 07:35 - Jul 18 with 2665 views | Gloucs_R | How does the club keep getting a free pass on this subject? Every event they get asked but never commit or properly answer the question. Almost ten years ago since they announced the new stadium plan. | |
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Linford Christie Stadium. on 08:33 - Jul 18 with 2549 views | Rs_Holy |
Linford Christie Stadium. on 02:05 - Jul 18 by Hoopsie | I am big on retaining Loftus Road Stadium, refurbish, redevelop, what not, however, Council's local plan for Loftus Road stadium vicinity greatly discourage any sort of redevelopment (increase capacity, increase footprint, increase building height, increase amenities) of the stadium. As per London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham planning provision for local planning framework, Loftus Road Stadium falls under the strategic site policy WCRA 2 - White City West. One of the key statements regarding the stadium is spelled out as follows; 5.37 The Queens Park Rangers (QPR) football ground at Loftus Road is a cramped site with limited opportunity for expansion, and the Club’s ambitions should be considered in planning of this area over the next 20 years. The football stadium is a valued community asset for the White City community and the pitch is designated as openspace. Therefore any redevelopment of this site would need to re-provide a sport/community/leisure facility that could achieve substantial benefits for the community as well as open space, on-site or within the borough, in accordance with the other policies within the Local Plan. (in addition); .........If either the Loftus Road Stadium or Territorial Army (TA) Centre come forward for redevelopment, the council will seek residential led development. In relation to the Loftus Road site, in particular there should be re-provision of community facilities and open space in the borough, in accordance with the other policies in the Local Plan. It seems to me the club has not pursued redevelopment as they will be going in a direction contrary to what was proposed for the area. They are dealing with a council that is not amenable to the redevelopment of the stadium. Neither is the council amenable to the club relocating close to/within the locality, it seems, hence the LC stadium conundrum. At least in my mind, if we could redevelop Loftus Road, we could refurbish the Loftus road and Stan Bowles stands (new roof, same height, better seating and amenities - capacity may deceased), redevelop the school end stand, buy the school to add conference facilities, budget hotel, shops, restaurants, QPR museum, library (its was a school eh) and other suitable commercial facilities for non match day use in a newly constructed auxiliary building/facility on the newly acquired land adjoining the stadium, I suppose this adds to the parts of the actual stadium that can be opened out for profit - VIP boxes, superstore located in the South Africa Road stand, which I envisage that we could redevelop it as a mega stand with increasing capacity, bringing the capacity of the stadium to 20,000-22,000 which i think is ideal for the size of our club. Well, all this, together with any other suggestions of redevelopment, is wishful thinking unless we could get the Council to amend its proposed vision for the area. Maybe we can mobilise thousands of R's fans residing in the borough to influence the Council planning policy and a few of us can run for Councillors to affect any change. Maybe? |
Just feels like we are boxed into a corner on this subject.... Brentford - New Stadium, Fulham - New Stand next to the river, Chelsea - Re-built Scumford Bridge planned (not that they need to), Luton - New Stadium planned, Arsenal - moved to a new stadium a stones throw from Highbury, Spuds - Brand new stadium right next to the old White Hart Lane, Watford - completely re-built Vicarage Road, Millwall - moved to a new stadium in the local area, Palarse - complete re-development of Selhurst planned, Charlton - re-devoped the Valley when they returned. QPR - No intention of developing the current stadium and still 'putting out the feelers' about possibly building a new stadium at the Linford Christie site... don't hold your breath ... its next to a hospital ... the locals are not happy about it etc etc... Meanwhile its carry on regardless with the bleeding kneecaps, restricted views and qeueing for 20 minutes at half time to have a waz! WILL SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING.... ANYTHING!!! | | | |
Linford Christie Stadium. on 08:44 - Jul 18 with 2490 views | ActonExile | Just as a thought the whole 4 bedroom house next to the loft entrance is up for sale for £1,500,000Offers in Region of 4 bedroom terraced house for sale Loftus Road, London, W12 Looking at google map there are 40 house on Ellerslie and Loftus which back onto the footprint of our ground. If we can get the owners to sell up it would be somewhere between £60-80m and you wouldn't even need to demolish the houses, just build over the gardens and rent out the properties. | |
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Linford Christie Stadium. on 09:11 - Jul 18 with 2395 views | dmm |
Linford Christie Stadium. on 08:44 - Jul 18 by ActonExile | Just as a thought the whole 4 bedroom house next to the loft entrance is up for sale for £1,500,000Offers in Region of 4 bedroom terraced house for sale Loftus Road, London, W12 Looking at google map there are 40 house on Ellerslie and Loftus which back onto the footprint of our ground. If we can get the owners to sell up it would be somewhere between £60-80m and you wouldn't even need to demolish the houses, just build over the gardens and rent out the properties. |
And what if just one of the 40 house owners refuses to sell? | | | |
Linford Christie Stadium. on 09:42 - Jul 18 with 2278 views | Rs_Holy |
Linford Christie Stadium. on 09:11 - Jul 18 by dmm | And what if just one of the 40 house owners refuses to sell? |
there's bound to be at least one chelsea or brentford fan living in one of those properties | | | |
Linford Christie Stadium. on 09:44 - Jul 18 with 2270 views | francisbowles |
Linford Christie Stadium. on 09:42 - Jul 18 by Rs_Holy | there's bound to be at least one chelsea or brentford fan living in one of those properties |
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Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:35 - Jul 18 with 2133 views | Hoopsie |
Linford Christie Stadium. on 08:33 - Jul 18 by Rs_Holy | Just feels like we are boxed into a corner on this subject.... Brentford - New Stadium, Fulham - New Stand next to the river, Chelsea - Re-built Scumford Bridge planned (not that they need to), Luton - New Stadium planned, Arsenal - moved to a new stadium a stones throw from Highbury, Spuds - Brand new stadium right next to the old White Hart Lane, Watford - completely re-built Vicarage Road, Millwall - moved to a new stadium in the local area, Palarse - complete re-development of Selhurst planned, Charlton - re-devoped the Valley when they returned. QPR - No intention of developing the current stadium and still 'putting out the feelers' about possibly building a new stadium at the Linford Christie site... don't hold your breath ... its next to a hospital ... the locals are not happy about it etc etc... Meanwhile its carry on regardless with the bleeding kneecaps, restricted views and qeueing for 20 minutes at half time to have a waz! WILL SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING.... ANYTHING!!! |
Most if not all London borough are proud of their football club But QPR is probably the third club in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham after Chel$*@ and Fulham Maybe that explains why we get no love from the borough yet other London league clubs are sole representatives? Perhaps a move away from the borough will do us good. Queen’s Park is in the borough of Brent and city of Westminster…. | |
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Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:39 - Jul 18 with 2113 views | CamberleyR |
Linford Christie Stadium. on 08:44 - Jul 18 by ActonExile | Just as a thought the whole 4 bedroom house next to the loft entrance is up for sale for £1,500,000Offers in Region of 4 bedroom terraced house for sale Loftus Road, London, W12 Looking at google map there are 40 house on Ellerslie and Loftus which back onto the footprint of our ground. If we can get the owners to sell up it would be somewhere between £60-80m and you wouldn't even need to demolish the houses, just build over the gardens and rent out the properties. |
They're not all single dwelling houses though in LR and ER, I don't know for certain but I would say the good majority are split into separate flats which as well as the freeholders of the properties to deal with you also have multiple leaseholders of the flats. | |
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Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:42 - Jul 18 with 2091 views | Sonofpugwash | Has anyone considered digging down?Maybe as far as Australia? | |
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Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:49 - Jul 18 with 2059 views | BostonR |
Linford Christie Stadium. on 08:33 - Jul 18 by Rs_Holy | Just feels like we are boxed into a corner on this subject.... Brentford - New Stadium, Fulham - New Stand next to the river, Chelsea - Re-built Scumford Bridge planned (not that they need to), Luton - New Stadium planned, Arsenal - moved to a new stadium a stones throw from Highbury, Spuds - Brand new stadium right next to the old White Hart Lane, Watford - completely re-built Vicarage Road, Millwall - moved to a new stadium in the local area, Palarse - complete re-development of Selhurst planned, Charlton - re-devoped the Valley when they returned. QPR - No intention of developing the current stadium and still 'putting out the feelers' about possibly building a new stadium at the Linford Christie site... don't hold your breath ... its next to a hospital ... the locals are not happy about it etc etc... Meanwhile its carry on regardless with the bleeding kneecaps, restricted views and qeueing for 20 minutes at half time to have a waz! WILL SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING.... ANYTHING!!! |
I sense the Board feel boxed in on this issue as well. It appears there is no meaningful help from H&F Council on the LCS, so the club needs to re-think. The club seemed to work well with the local authority on the new training ground (Hounslow) so what price that discussions have not taken place on a relocation on that M4/A4 corridor? | | | |
Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:54 - Jul 18 with 2036 views | CateLeBonR |
Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:35 - Jul 18 by Hoopsie | Most if not all London borough are proud of their football club But QPR is probably the third club in the London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham after Chel$*@ and Fulham Maybe that explains why we get no love from the borough yet other London league clubs are sole representatives? Perhaps a move away from the borough will do us good. Queen’s Park is in the borough of Brent and city of Westminster…. |
Fulham have had lots of problems trying to redevelop Craven Cottage to be fair. They even had to share Loftus Road for a while to bring it up to spec. They’ve only been able to build their new stand at great expense and by having ticket prices that most of us couldn’t afford. Chelsea too haven’t been able to do exactly as they pleased despite all their backing but simply had more space to begin with. | | | |
Linford Christie Stadium. on 10:59 - Jul 18 with 2010 views | G_Ottershaw | Did Amit drop a hint recently about more in the heston area ? Anyway just out of interest, has an assessment been made on how long the stadium is viable/sustainable in its current format ? | | | |
Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:37 - Jul 18 with 4147 views | ted_hendrix | LR won't get redeveloped anytime soon, It just isn't fiancially viable. When I say fiancially what I really mean is financially. [Post edited 18 Jul 2023 12:17]
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Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:06 - Jul 18 with 4026 views | joe90 |
Linford Christie Stadium. on 08:33 - Jul 18 by Rs_Holy | Just feels like we are boxed into a corner on this subject.... Brentford - New Stadium, Fulham - New Stand next to the river, Chelsea - Re-built Scumford Bridge planned (not that they need to), Luton - New Stadium planned, Arsenal - moved to a new stadium a stones throw from Highbury, Spuds - Brand new stadium right next to the old White Hart Lane, Watford - completely re-built Vicarage Road, Millwall - moved to a new stadium in the local area, Palarse - complete re-development of Selhurst planned, Charlton - re-devoped the Valley when they returned. QPR - No intention of developing the current stadium and still 'putting out the feelers' about possibly building a new stadium at the Linford Christie site... don't hold your breath ... its next to a hospital ... the locals are not happy about it etc etc... Meanwhile its carry on regardless with the bleeding kneecaps, restricted views and qeueing for 20 minutes at half time to have a waz! WILL SOMEBODY DO SOMETHING.... ANYTHING!!! |
You forgot to mention AFC Wimbledon, even they managed to build a new ground on the site of their old one despite years of opposition from Merton Council. | | | |
Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:08 - Jul 18 with 4011 views | joe90 |
Linford Christie Stadium. on 08:44 - Jul 18 by ActonExile | Just as a thought the whole 4 bedroom house next to the loft entrance is up for sale for £1,500,000Offers in Region of 4 bedroom terraced house for sale Loftus Road, London, W12 Looking at google map there are 40 house on Ellerslie and Loftus which back onto the footprint of our ground. If we can get the owners to sell up it would be somewhere between £60-80m and you wouldn't even need to demolish the houses, just build over the gardens and rent out the properties. |
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