| Keir Starmer today 18:18 - Feb 13 with 1085 views | SullutaCreturned |
So 2 tier Keir is backing Rachel Reeves saying that her apparent "lies" about her time at the bank of England were many years ago.
So he's writing the problem off as being in the past so not mattering, he was the one talking about putting trust back into politics so lies very much do matter so Starmers judgement on this is also called into question.
theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jul/04/keir-starmer-trust-politicians-tories-crisis-politics-labour
The decline in standards in politics has redefined the modern public’s view of politics for the far worse. The British Social Attitudes survey reported last month that public faith in MPs, politics and government has plummeted to historic lows. According to Ipsos, just 9% of voters trust politicians to tell the truth. And only 14% of the public think MPs are in politics to help others, while 69% think they are in it for themselves, according to YouGov.
Labour’s manifesto could hardly be clearer about why this matters and what is at stake. Try this: “There is now a crisis of confidence in our political system’s ability to deliver any [Labour’s own italics] change.” Or this: “Just as corrosive has been the inability of politicians to keep promises.” Or these: “This will require a reset in our public life,” and: “Labour will restore confidence in government.”
Not “will aim to”. Will. A remarkable claim. By contrast, the Conservative manifesto contains not one word about any of this. The Tories are in denial about the crisis in politics and government. Labour seems to get it.
Whether you approve of Keir Starmer’s election strategy or not, it is a matter of observable fact that he has centred it upon the regaining of trust. Starmer regards trust as the precondition for everything difficult that his government will have to do. It is, you could say, Starmer’s secret sixth mission in government.
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So it seems Starmers words were hollow, without substance because he alllows a person to be Chancellor who is alleged to be a liar and the BBC has shown the evidence.
Westminster is almost as corrupt today as it was under the tories, time will tell if they are just as useless as the tories were.
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| Keir Starmer today on 21:59 - Feb 13 with 822 views | Boundy |
What do you expect from Starmer , a liar himself in fact him and his party are first class liars , their whole manifesto was based on lies , all major topics have been reneged on., | |
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| Keir Starmer today on 01:54 - Feb 14 with 761 views | Robbie |
Too late now for me to go through the all small print on The Beebs live news feed .
Will catch up later .
Skim reading suggests Auntie have the info to bring her down . | | | |
| Keir Starmer today on 06:33 - Feb 14 with 732 views | Whiterockin |
| Keir Starmer today on 01:54 - Feb 14 by Robbie |
Too late now for me to go through the all small print on The Beebs live news feed .
Will catch up later .
Skim reading suggests Auntie have the info to bring her down . |
Labour are finding that it is very easy to criticise individuals in the government when in opposition, but when you are in power the tables are turned. All politicians have dark secrets, it just comes down to severity. The higher up the ladder the further you fall. |  | | |
| Keir Starmer today on 07:05 - Feb 14 with 722 views | AnotherJohn |
Boris was a clown, but a few staff parties where he may have popped in for 10 minutes, was really about his lack of managerial grip, slap-dash ways and casual rule bending. The things that are coming out now with the present government seem to involve a higher degree of calculated dishonesty aimed to bring about political advantage. Siddiqi's case is different again, with the possibility that very significant financial malfeasance is involved. | | | |
| Keir Starmer today on 09:40 - Feb 14 with 671 views | onehunglow |
| Keir Starmer today on 07:05 - Feb 14 by AnotherJohn |
Boris was a clown, but a few staff parties where he may have popped in for 10 minutes, was really about his lack of managerial grip, slap-dash ways and casual rule bending. The things that are coming out now with the present government seem to involve a higher degree of calculated dishonesty aimed to bring about political advantage. Siddiqi's case is different again, with the possibility that very significant financial malfeasance is involved. |
Boris made it easy for labour stalwarts to hate
He was a clown
Starmer is altogether more sinister and dangerous and he has arch hypocrite as a deputy and a bleeding tree hugger for a home sec
Commenting on Rachel would see be banned | |
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| Keir Starmer today on 13:36 - Feb 14 with 591 views | majorraglan |
| Keir Starmer today on 07:05 - Feb 14 by AnotherJohn |
Boris was a clown, but a few staff parties where he may have popped in for 10 minutes, was really about his lack of managerial grip, slap-dash ways and casual rule bending. The things that are coming out now with the present government seem to involve a higher degree of calculated dishonesty aimed to bring about political advantage. Siddiqi's case is different again, with the possibility that very significant financial malfeasance is involved. |
You’ve got to be joking! Your attempt to play down Boris antics and compare it to what we’re seeing from the new government is staggering.
It’s clear from your postings where your allegiances lay, but Boris was much, much worse than anything we’ve seen to date from Labour.
Boris was much more than a simple clown, the guy was an immoral chancer, a dishonest proven liar who could not be trusted.
The current government are coming up short, but we’ve not seen anything like we saw under Boris.
The Siddiqi may or may not be guilty of malfeasance. Bangladesh is among the most corrupt countries in the world, so it’s entirely feasible her c tended family were at it, however it’s possible that she is not involved and the new Bangladeshi government are just dragging her in to it for political capitol as has happened elsewhere in places like Pakistan which is actually less corrupt than Bangladesh.
I sincerely hope there will be a full and thorough investigation of Siddiqi and if she is found to have transgressed she gets the book thrown at her. [Post edited 14 Feb 13:39]
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| Keir Starmer today on 13:50 - Feb 14 with 556 views | onehunglow |
| Keir Starmer today on 13:36 - Feb 14 by majorraglan |
You’ve got to be joking! Your attempt to play down Boris antics and compare it to what we’re seeing from the new government is staggering.
It’s clear from your postings where your allegiances lay, but Boris was much, much worse than anything we’ve seen to date from Labour.
Boris was much more than a simple clown, the guy was an immoral chancer, a dishonest proven liar who could not be trusted.
The current government are coming up short, but we’ve not seen anything like we saw under Boris.
The Siddiqi may or may not be guilty of malfeasance. Bangladesh is among the most corrupt countries in the world, so it’s entirely feasible her c tended family were at it, however it’s possible that she is not involved and the new Bangladeshi government are just dragging her in to it for political capitol as has happened elsewhere in places like Pakistan which is actually less corrupt than Bangladesh.
I sincerely hope there will be a full and thorough investigation of Siddiqi and if she is found to have transgressed she gets the book thrown at her. [Post edited 14 Feb 13:39]
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And yours are crystal clear
Mine... boris a clown
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| Keir Starmer today on 13:51 - Feb 14 with 561 views | Boundy |
| Keir Starmer today on 13:36 - Feb 14 by majorraglan |
You’ve got to be joking! Your attempt to play down Boris antics and compare it to what we’re seeing from the new government is staggering.
It’s clear from your postings where your allegiances lay, but Boris was much, much worse than anything we’ve seen to date from Labour.
Boris was much more than a simple clown, the guy was an immoral chancer, a dishonest proven liar who could not be trusted.
The current government are coming up short, but we’ve not seen anything like we saw under Boris.
The Siddiqi may or may not be guilty of malfeasance. Bangladesh is among the most corrupt countries in the world, so it’s entirely feasible her c tended family were at it, however it’s possible that she is not involved and the new Bangladeshi government are just dragging her in to it for political capitol as has happened elsewhere in places like Pakistan which is actually less corrupt than Bangladesh.
I sincerely hope there will be a full and thorough investigation of Siddiqi and if she is found to have transgressed she gets the book thrown at her. [Post edited 14 Feb 13:39]
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We've only had 8 months of the Labour government, 8 months in which we've seen confidence in the economy crash , a Chancellor i name only, mystical 20 billion black whole which no economist believed ever existed , 2 MPS resigning in disgrace .selling part of our strategic security system, the Chagos islands, promising to increase our GDP to the armed forces and as yet nothing. there are many more indiscretions and no I'm no fan of the Tories especially Johnson but I fear what ever he got up to will be insignificant compared the damage this government will do to this country, the writings on the wall . | |
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| Keir Starmer today on 13:53 - Feb 14 with 554 views | raynor94 |
| Keir Starmer today on 13:36 - Feb 14 by majorraglan |
You’ve got to be joking! Your attempt to play down Boris antics and compare it to what we’re seeing from the new government is staggering.
It’s clear from your postings where your allegiances lay, but Boris was much, much worse than anything we’ve seen to date from Labour.
Boris was much more than a simple clown, the guy was an immoral chancer, a dishonest proven liar who could not be trusted.
The current government are coming up short, but we’ve not seen anything like we saw under Boris.
The Siddiqi may or may not be guilty of malfeasance. Bangladesh is among the most corrupt countries in the world, so it’s entirely feasible her c tended family were at it, however it’s possible that she is not involved and the new Bangladeshi government are just dragging her in to it for political capitol as has happened elsewhere in places like Pakistan which is actually less corrupt than Bangladesh.
I sincerely hope there will be a full and thorough investigation of Siddiqi and if she is found to have transgressed she gets the book thrown at her. [Post edited 14 Feb 13:39]
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Well Rachel from accounts is proving to be a stranger to the truth |  |
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| Keir Starmer today on 15:38 - Feb 14 with 508 views | Scotia |
| Keir Starmer today on 13:36 - Feb 14 by majorraglan |
You’ve got to be joking! Your attempt to play down Boris antics and compare it to what we’re seeing from the new government is staggering.
It’s clear from your postings where your allegiances lay, but Boris was much, much worse than anything we’ve seen to date from Labour.
Boris was much more than a simple clown, the guy was an immoral chancer, a dishonest proven liar who could not be trusted.
The current government are coming up short, but we’ve not seen anything like we saw under Boris.
The Siddiqi may or may not be guilty of malfeasance. Bangladesh is among the most corrupt countries in the world, so it’s entirely feasible her c tended family were at it, however it’s possible that she is not involved and the new Bangladeshi government are just dragging her in to it for political capitol as has happened elsewhere in places like Pakistan which is actually less corrupt than Bangladesh.
I sincerely hope there will be a full and thorough investigation of Siddiqi and if she is found to have transgressed she gets the book thrown at her. [Post edited 14 Feb 13:39]
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I've recently finished reading "Unleashed". Boris lives in a paralell universe to the rest of us.
Easily the worst Prime Minister in my lifetime. He's not really fit to hold any public office whatsoever. | | | |
| Keir Starmer today on 15:40 - Feb 14 with 497 views | Scotia |
| Keir Starmer today on 13:51 - Feb 14 by Boundy |
We've only had 8 months of the Labour government, 8 months in which we've seen confidence in the economy crash , a Chancellor i name only, mystical 20 billion black whole which no economist believed ever existed , 2 MPS resigning in disgrace .selling part of our strategic security system, the Chagos islands, promising to increase our GDP to the armed forces and as yet nothing. there are many more indiscretions and no I'm no fan of the Tories especially Johnson but I fear what ever he got up to will be insignificant compared the damage this government will do to this country, the writings on the wall . |
Bookmark this and come back at the end of this government.
The economy and confidence in it hasn't crashed, there was obviously a massive black hole in public funds nobody needed an economist to show that, The Chagos island deal was started by the Tories, Boris would probably have defended those MP's as he did with Chris Pincher.
I really don't think they've done too badly, although I wouldn't say they've done well. And are a huge improvement on the last government. [Post edited 14 Feb 15:48]
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| Keir Starmer today on 15:42 - Feb 14 with 486 views | SullutaCreturned |
I find it hard to believe anyone truky believes Boris was only a "clown", lets gface it, the clown persona was a disguise to enable him to be very devious and have people write it off because he's only a clown...the bloke was a proven liar, a manipulator, a 100% chancer
Thing is, Labour are turning out just as bad in my opinion. It tpook 14 years for people to realise just how bad the tories were, it hasn't been 14 months yet and a lot of people are ;ooking at Labour and thinking...OH NO, not again.
Reeves is blming other people and saying she didn't see the burn that has caused so much trouble yet she is caught on camera espousing these lies, she made a speech where she claimed the 10 years at the BoE as an economist.
Starmer defending her when she has blatant;ly misled people is every bit as bad as Bojo's shenanigans. Starmer is a lawyer, he knows a lie when he sees one and tells one. | | | |
| Keir Starmer today on 16:06 - Feb 14 with 460 views | AnotherJohn |
| Keir Starmer today on 13:36 - Feb 14 by majorraglan |
You’ve got to be joking! Your attempt to play down Boris antics and compare it to what we’re seeing from the new government is staggering.
It’s clear from your postings where your allegiances lay, but Boris was much, much worse than anything we’ve seen to date from Labour.
Boris was much more than a simple clown, the guy was an immoral chancer, a dishonest proven liar who could not be trusted.
The current government are coming up short, but we’ve not seen anything like we saw under Boris.
The Siddiqi may or may not be guilty of malfeasance. Bangladesh is among the most corrupt countries in the world, so it’s entirely feasible her c tended family were at it, however it’s possible that she is not involved and the new Bangladeshi government are just dragging her in to it for political capitol as has happened elsewhere in places like Pakistan which is actually less corrupt than Bangladesh.
I sincerely hope there will be a full and thorough investigation of Siddiqi and if she is found to have transgressed she gets the book thrown at her. [Post edited 14 Feb 13:39]
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We have to disagree, I hope not too violently. I think the thing that would beef up your argument is evidence that Tory cabinet members benefited directly from dodgy PPE contracts, which would constitute serious malfeasance and harden my already negative view of a Tory Government that I did not vote for in the election. The point of contrast on the Labour side would be Siddiq and her family who are alleged to be involved in a £4 billion contract scandal and associated money laundering (see other thread). In my view the more minor indiscretions like freebies, parties, misuse of social media and dodgy CVs look marginally worse under Labour than under the Tories, and as I suggested seem more clearly calculated to bring electoral advantage, whereas Boris was just trying to cover up his disorganised management of Number 10. Both sides may have said things in the House that are untrue. I notice that you say you never voted for the Labour Party (a Party of which I was once a card-carrying member), but you seem to be its foremost apologist on these threads. I seem to remember you characterising the incoming government as the adults who had entered the room. That is the real joke. | | | |
| Keir Starmer today on 16:20 - Feb 14 with 450 views | AnotherJohn |
| Keir Starmer today on 15:42 - Feb 14 by SullutaCreturned |
I find it hard to believe anyone truky believes Boris was only a "clown", lets gface it, the clown persona was a disguise to enable him to be very devious and have people write it off because he's only a clown...the bloke was a proven liar, a manipulator, a 100% chancer
Thing is, Labour are turning out just as bad in my opinion. It tpook 14 years for people to realise just how bad the tories were, it hasn't been 14 months yet and a lot of people are ;ooking at Labour and thinking...OH NO, not again.
Reeves is blming other people and saying she didn't see the burn that has caused so much trouble yet she is caught on camera espousing these lies, she made a speech where she claimed the 10 years at the BoE as an economist.
Starmer defending her when she has blatant;ly misled people is every bit as bad as Bojo's shenanigans. Starmer is a lawyer, he knows a lie when he sees one and tells one. |
I said clown, you say chancer. I will swap if you like. I did not mean to draw any line between the two things. | | | |
| Keir Starmer today on 17:16 - Feb 14 with 409 views | Gwyn737 |
| Keir Starmer today on 16:20 - Feb 14 by AnotherJohn |
I said clown, you say chancer. I will swap if you like. I did not mean to draw any line between the two things. |
I think we have to remember that the demise of Johnson was not down to popping into a party for some cake.
He left after his party turned on him because they couldn’t continue being wheeled out to defend/cover up his lies.
Partygate was part of it but no more than the Patterson/Pincher issues. | | | |
| Keir Starmer today on 18:21 - Feb 14 with 375 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Keir Starmer today on 13:51 - Feb 14 by Boundy |
We've only had 8 months of the Labour government, 8 months in which we've seen confidence in the economy crash , a Chancellor i name only, mystical 20 billion black whole which no economist believed ever existed , 2 MPS resigning in disgrace .selling part of our strategic security system, the Chagos islands, promising to increase our GDP to the armed forces and as yet nothing. there are many more indiscretions and no I'm no fan of the Tories especially Johnson but I fear what ever he got up to will be insignificant compared the damage this government will do to this country, the writings on the wall . |
The Government spends £1,224 Billion in addition, each department has a tolerance on its spending. The £22 Billion that Starmer talks about is a nonsense as it's is not material and is there for the ill informed to soak up and believe.
It's like saying I earn £1,224 pounds a month and everything is out of control because I can't find £22 in my budget. |  |
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| Keir Starmer today on 18:57 - Feb 14 with 343 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Keir Starmer today on 18:21 - Feb 14 by JACKMANANDBOY |
The Government spends £1,224 Billion in addition, each department has a tolerance on its spending. The £22 Billion that Starmer talks about is a nonsense as it's is not material and is there for the ill informed to soak up and believe.
It's like saying I earn £1,224 pounds a month and everything is out of control because I can't find £22 in my budget. |
Noooot really. 22 quid is nothing these days, it may be the same percentage of the bigger figure but 22 billion is a hell of a lot.
As a comparison, Westminster has decided to give Wales 21 billion for 2025/26.
I'm actually fairly sure that if an independent accountant could take a look at the genuine books for the UK he would tell us the black hole is much bigger and the waste is astronomical.
Starmer talking nonsense...that's something I have to agree on. To be fair I talk nonsense on here all the time but none of you would let me run the country. | | | |
| Keir Starmer today on 19:22 - Feb 14 with 314 views | AnotherJohn |
| Keir Starmer today on 17:16 - Feb 14 by Gwyn737 |
I think we have to remember that the demise of Johnson was not down to popping into a party for some cake.
He left after his party turned on him because they couldn’t continue being wheeled out to defend/cover up his lies.
Partygate was part of it but no more than the Patterson/Pincher issues. |
I don't think sections of the Party turned on Boris Johnson because he lied to the House about the parties. Rather the parties provided an opportunity for those (mainly on the "one nation" side of the party) who had opposed Brexit, did not like the tactics Johnson used to get past Parliament's attempts to block it, resented the action he took to discipline them, and did not like the way No 10 was being run. There was also the fallout from Dominic Cummings' sacking and his subsequent attempts to damage Johnson.
If Partygate was not about parties and lying then what was it about? What is Johnson supposed to have done that achieved an illicit benefit. Pincher resigned because of alleged drunken groping, and yes, he could have been sacked more quickly. Paterson had been doing paid consultancy on the side for Randox Laboratories and Lynne's Country Foods, and was alleged to have tried to influence ministers and the Food Standards Agency to the advantage of those companies. Some of his approaches were about alleged shortcomings in food or milk quality that Paterson was claiming his companies' products could help mitigate. However, this did not result in any new contracts for the two companies or get the FSA to change course. Yes, Johnson was then at fault by trying to get the rules of the Commons Standards Committee changed rather than quickly sacking Paterson, but he had to back down so that nothing actually changed. Some said Johnson's problem was that he did not like sacrificing ministers or special advisors when they came under media attack. What I cannot really see is how you join up all the dots to link all these things together in some overall scam or plan to gain a political advantage on a particular issue. It seems to me more about chaotic management and an arrogant disregard of the views of rivals as well as opponents. What the critics end up alleging is a general lack of integrity, but no single focused scandal except Partygate. [Post edited 14 Feb 19:30]
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| Keir Starmer today on 19:51 - Feb 14 with 299 views | majorraglan |
| Keir Starmer today on 16:06 - Feb 14 by AnotherJohn |
We have to disagree, I hope not too violently. I think the thing that would beef up your argument is evidence that Tory cabinet members benefited directly from dodgy PPE contracts, which would constitute serious malfeasance and harden my already negative view of a Tory Government that I did not vote for in the election. The point of contrast on the Labour side would be Siddiq and her family who are alleged to be involved in a £4 billion contract scandal and associated money laundering (see other thread). In my view the more minor indiscretions like freebies, parties, misuse of social media and dodgy CVs look marginally worse under Labour than under the Tories, and as I suggested seem more clearly calculated to bring electoral advantage, whereas Boris was just trying to cover up his disorganised management of Number 10. Both sides may have said things in the House that are untrue. I notice that you say you never voted for the Labour Party (a Party of which I was once a card-carrying member), but you seem to be its foremost apologist on these threads. I seem to remember you characterising the incoming government as the adults who had entered the room. That is the real joke. |
With regards to PPE, we’ve yet not really got to the bottom of what happened with some of these so called “introductions”. What we do know is that a huge amount of money was wasted. We also know Mone is under investigation and Hancock’s former pub landlord got a big contract despite not having any previous experience in that line of work. These are issues which have happened here and some are currently under investigation. Hopefully we’ll get the bottom of it.
In terms of Siddiqi, that’s happened in Bangladesh and we need to see what evidence is produced by the new regime. If she is involved, then she needs to be held to account. If it’s mud slinging and malicious allegations by the new by the regime, then we can take it from there. She’s quite rightly out of her ministerial post and we need to see how this pans out.
In terms of freebies, they’ve all been at because it’s clear from the register of interests, but they look bad under Labour and Starmer has made a serious error of judgement.
Boris’s actions and conduct are much more than just trying to cover up disorganised conduct. Some examples include:-
Lying over Northern Ireland trade and customs paper work as part of Brexit.
Parties
Renovation of the flat
Lying over the Pincher business
Patterson
Reports he tried to get his girlfriend a £100k job at the Foreign Office (reports in The Times were pulled after No 10 intervened).
Cummins - Barnard Castle
Unlawfully proroguing Parliament
I have never voted Labour and where they err I will criticise them, but in my opinion the mistakes they have made are nowhere near the mistakes made by Boris and Truss. We have a right wing press who are hyper critical and on occasions making mountains of mole hills to perpetuate a political narrative. If we had an impartial press, the previous Conservative regimes would have been slaughtered, instead we had on many occasions conspiracies of silence. | | | |
| Keir Starmer today on 20:04 - Feb 14 with 280 views | Gwyn737 |
| Keir Starmer today on 19:22 - Feb 14 by AnotherJohn |
I don't think sections of the Party turned on Boris Johnson because he lied to the House about the parties. Rather the parties provided an opportunity for those (mainly on the "one nation" side of the party) who had opposed Brexit, did not like the tactics Johnson used to get past Parliament's attempts to block it, resented the action he took to discipline them, and did not like the way No 10 was being run. There was also the fallout from Dominic Cummings' sacking and his subsequent attempts to damage Johnson.
If Partygate was not about parties and lying then what was it about? What is Johnson supposed to have done that achieved an illicit benefit. Pincher resigned because of alleged drunken groping, and yes, he could have been sacked more quickly. Paterson had been doing paid consultancy on the side for Randox Laboratories and Lynne's Country Foods, and was alleged to have tried to influence ministers and the Food Standards Agency to the advantage of those companies. Some of his approaches were about alleged shortcomings in food or milk quality that Paterson was claiming his companies' products could help mitigate. However, this did not result in any new contracts for the two companies or get the FSA to change course. Yes, Johnson was then at fault by trying to get the rules of the Commons Standards Committee changed rather than quickly sacking Paterson, but he had to back down so that nothing actually changed. Some said Johnson's problem was that he did not like sacrificing ministers or special advisors when they came under media attack. What I cannot really see is how you join up all the dots to link all these things together in some overall scam or plan to gain a political advantage on a particular issue. It seems to me more about chaotic management and an arrogant disregard of the views of rivals as well as opponents. What the critics end up alleging is a general lack of integrity, but no single focused scandal except Partygate. [Post edited 14 Feb 19:30]
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I think you’ve over thought my point (or I didn’t give enough info).
I don’t see any scam as such. I see a leader so inept, the catalogue of errors became so much it was indefensible.
Do you think this was some kind of coup by pro-eu tories? My memory is he got shot of most of them.
I also think Johnson was on the inside anti-brexit but that another thread entirely. [Post edited 14 Feb 20:05]
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| Keir Starmer today on 20:15 - Feb 14 with 252 views | majorraglan |
| Keir Starmer today on 19:22 - Feb 14 by AnotherJohn |
I don't think sections of the Party turned on Boris Johnson because he lied to the House about the parties. Rather the parties provided an opportunity for those (mainly on the "one nation" side of the party) who had opposed Brexit, did not like the tactics Johnson used to get past Parliament's attempts to block it, resented the action he took to discipline them, and did not like the way No 10 was being run. There was also the fallout from Dominic Cummings' sacking and his subsequent attempts to damage Johnson.
If Partygate was not about parties and lying then what was it about? What is Johnson supposed to have done that achieved an illicit benefit. Pincher resigned because of alleged drunken groping, and yes, he could have been sacked more quickly. Paterson had been doing paid consultancy on the side for Randox Laboratories and Lynne's Country Foods, and was alleged to have tried to influence ministers and the Food Standards Agency to the advantage of those companies. Some of his approaches were about alleged shortcomings in food or milk quality that Paterson was claiming his companies' products could help mitigate. However, this did not result in any new contracts for the two companies or get the FSA to change course. Yes, Johnson was then at fault by trying to get the rules of the Commons Standards Committee changed rather than quickly sacking Paterson, but he had to back down so that nothing actually changed. Some said Johnson's problem was that he did not like sacrificing ministers or special advisors when they came under media attack. What I cannot really see is how you join up all the dots to link all these things together in some overall scam or plan to gain a political advantage on a particular issue. It seems to me more about chaotic management and an arrogant disregard of the views of rivals as well as opponents. What the critics end up alleging is a general lack of integrity, but no single focused scandal except Partygate. [Post edited 14 Feb 19:30]
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There were blatant lies over Pincher. Boris / No 10 repeatedly changed their story which ultimately fell apart when a Sir Simon McDonald wrote to the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards to confirm Noris was briefed in person.
His own ministers eventually had a guts full of the lies, after Sajid Javid resigned there was a domino effect. [Post edited 14 Feb 20:20]
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| Keir Starmer today on 20:57 - Feb 14 with 204 views | AnotherJohn |
| Keir Starmer today on 20:15 - Feb 14 by majorraglan |
There were blatant lies over Pincher. Boris / No 10 repeatedly changed their story which ultimately fell apart when a Sir Simon McDonald wrote to the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards to confirm Noris was briefed in person.
His own ministers eventually had a guts full of the lies, after Sajid Javid resigned there was a domino effect. [Post edited 14 Feb 20:20]
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I said there were issues with "parties and lying", and by the latter meant lying more generally, which includes Pincher. There was no doubt that Johnson has character defects and managed affairs ineptly (what I called chaotic management). I am not a fan and do see myself as defending him. I said he was a clown and would extend that to chancer. it is just that I see his problem as general ineptness rather than calculated action to achieve some overarching illicit goal. And yes, at the end the chorus of criticism from the ones I mentioned spread to other factions who had their own eyes on power. Anyway, the thread has been skilfully turned to what Johnson did a couple of years ago, and it should really be about what is happening under Starmer now. Looking at the BBC News today, things seem to be getting worse for Reeves. I doubt that this will develop into ""Expenses-Gate" or "Handbag-Gate", but lots of little fibs add up - as they did for Boris. | | | |
| Keir Starmer today on 21:12 - Feb 14 with 175 views | raynor94 |
| Keir Starmer today on 20:57 - Feb 14 by AnotherJohn |
I said there were issues with "parties and lying", and by the latter meant lying more generally, which includes Pincher. There was no doubt that Johnson has character defects and managed affairs ineptly (what I called chaotic management). I am not a fan and do see myself as defending him. I said he was a clown and would extend that to chancer. it is just that I see his problem as general ineptness rather than calculated action to achieve some overarching illicit goal. And yes, at the end the chorus of criticism from the ones I mentioned spread to other factions who had their own eyes on power. Anyway, the thread has been skilfully turned to what Johnson did a couple of years ago, and it should really be about what is happening under Starmer now. Looking at the BBC News today, things seem to be getting worse for Reeves. I doubt that this will develop into ""Expenses-Gate" or "Handbag-Gate", but lots of little fibs add up - as they did for Boris. |
It's no good people using Boris's misdemeanours, Reeves has done herself no favours with her embellishments about her cv.
And stories are coming out now about her claiming of expenses whilst at the Bank, and she wasn't slow in claiming expenses when she first got into government, about the same time she scrapped ed the wfa | |
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| Keir Starmer today on 21:53 - Feb 14 with 127 views | majorraglan |
| Keir Starmer today on 20:57 - Feb 14 by AnotherJohn |
I said there were issues with "parties and lying", and by the latter meant lying more generally, which includes Pincher. There was no doubt that Johnson has character defects and managed affairs ineptly (what I called chaotic management). I am not a fan and do see myself as defending him. I said he was a clown and would extend that to chancer. it is just that I see his problem as general ineptness rather than calculated action to achieve some overarching illicit goal. And yes, at the end the chorus of criticism from the ones I mentioned spread to other factions who had their own eyes on power. Anyway, the thread has been skilfully turned to what Johnson did a couple of years ago, and it should really be about what is happening under Starmer now. Looking at the BBC News today, things seem to be getting worse for Reeves. I doubt that this will develop into ""Expenses-Gate" or "Handbag-Gate", but lots of little fibs add up - as they did for Boris. |
Unfortunately it seems a lot of the politicians we have representing us are strangers to the truth, we deserve better and we should scrutinise their behaviour and hold them to account. If they transgress and their motive is malicious, then they should be out on their ear. If someone makes a mistake in good faith, then we should be more sympathetic because if we aren’t fair, it will encourage people to be dishonest. Nobody, absolutely nobody be above the law, or the rules.
In terms of Boris, he may be a chancer but he’s manifestly dishonest and in my opinion totally untrustworthy. I wasn’t the first to mention him in this particular thread. | | | |
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