| Injuries 18:58 - Dec 26 with 7324 views | numptydumpty |
WTF is happening
So many players seemingly picking up injuries between matches
What happened with Morrison ??
But seriously this season is a total catastrophe with injuries.
Almost guaranteed each game at least one and almost guaranteed , another goes strangely invisible, during a break between games.
There must be reasons but this for me is the worst ever season I can remember for injuries !!!!!!!
I am surprised if we dont pick up a couple more injured, every single week ... [Post edited 26 Dec 18:59]
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| Injuries on 14:47 - Dec 27 with 2037 views | Lblock |
| Injuries on 14:23 - Dec 27 by Northernr |
Totally with you Steve. Strong agree.
It was actually suggested while Shaun Harvey was league CEO. It was the only sensible thing he ever did or said IMO. Four divisions of 20, League Two regional north and south. Far, far fewer midweek games.
They rejected it out of hand, immediately, of course.
Once we've got this Christmas out of the way, where we're slogging down to Swansea yesterday and up to Norwich tomorrow (Watford, BTW, who we play on NYD, have home game, home game, game 10 miles away) we've then got a couple of homes before we go up to Leicester, down to Plymouth and up to Hull in 10 days. Second season in a row we've had Plymouth and Hull away Saturday-Tuesday. |
All that travel.... won't someone think of the environment?!
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| Injuries on 14:54 - Dec 27 with 2004 views | Northernr |
| Injuries on 14:31 - Dec 27 by slmrstid |
I'll preface this by saying I am a huge Marti fan, but if we're losing players to regular overuse/overtraining injuries then the Head Coach has to take some level of responsibility for that too - after all they are the ones taking training between games and no doubt still working players hard and still have input into the way players physically prepare for games - can't pin it all on the medical people and say "not my fault mate, its that bloke in Dubai not being here."
It obviously isn't the same level, but as a runner in a year I can have spells where I have races on back to back weekends or something like 3 races in 4 weeks - on those occasions you alter your planned training between races to allow the body time to recover after one race to get ready for the next - not carry on business as usual because you will pay the price and pick up injuries.
As said - huge Marti fan - but he has as much input into players physical preparation as Head Coach as anyone does. |
My suspicion is he's rushing players back and playing people earlier than they're ready for more than they're ready for. I guess he would say that's out of necessity. JCS, yesterday, for example they said was pencilled in for 30 minutes, and that's a player with a record like Mr Bump. He gonna go again at Norwich?
The Steve Cook injury, as you'd know as a runner, is absolute classic over-use/over-training injury. |  | | |
| Injuries on 15:03 - Dec 27 with 1960 views | KensalT |
| Injuries on 14:19 - Dec 27 by stevec |
Instead of 92 clubs, 100 clubs, do 5 divisions of 20.
You’d do it over a 2 year period. 2 up 4 down for Champs and league one would sort those 2 leagues, league two 2 up/2 down and at end of second season, the bottom half of league 2 and top 8 in national become a 5th division. There’s not a lot to choose between the bottom half of league two and national league so not an undue proposition.
In terms of the Prem stumping up lost income for the 3 home matches lost, after deducting costs of staging games it wouldn’t amount to more than £1m per club over the 3 lost games at Championship level, less than half that down the scale. As such, about £50m total at max, or £2.5m per premier league club. They’re already looking at something in that region over the present arrangement so whilst theyre dragging their heels, at some point something will be done.
This three games a week malarkey is not doing the lower leagues any favours, be it quality or content, they just can’t carry the squad numbers needed to cover injuries. |
Like I said, I agree with the principle of your suggestion.
But you haven't thought through the logistics.
Two up and four down over two years would only work between the Championship and L1 because four teams would need to move down.
But eight teams would need to drop down from L1 to L2, and twelve teams would need to drop down from L2. You can't move that many teams in two years without creating a lot of chaos and a lot of resentment.
It's not impossible that a team could drop from the Championship to L2 in two seasons without ever finishing in the bottom three. How would QPR fans feel if it happened to us?
The PL teams wouldn't agree to finance it. Why would they? They seem to resent every penny they send our way as it is.
You also need to think about TV deals. Championship clubs get more than the lower leagues. Some clubs are very dependent on that money to balance the books for Profit and Sustainability. The upheaval this would create might force some clubs into administration. Championship finances are very precarious for some clubs. Asking clubs to increase the risk of moving down the pyramid just to give the poor players more rest isn't going to happen.
Great idea on paper. I really do agree with it. But in practice it would be very hard to make it work. |  | | |
| Injuries on 15:07 - Dec 27 with 1946 views | R_from_afar |
| Injuries on 14:47 - Dec 27 by Lblock |
All that travel.... won't someone think of the environment?!
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Oh, I think the club does.
Judging by the way we played against Swansea, I think the squad all walked to Wales 
You make a good point about "Jack the card". Colback's bad temper is a serious concern. |  |
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| Injuries on 15:09 - Dec 27 with 1915 views | Northernr |
| Injuries on 15:03 - Dec 27 by KensalT |
Like I said, I agree with the principle of your suggestion.
But you haven't thought through the logistics.
Two up and four down over two years would only work between the Championship and L1 because four teams would need to move down.
But eight teams would need to drop down from L1 to L2, and twelve teams would need to drop down from L2. You can't move that many teams in two years without creating a lot of chaos and a lot of resentment.
It's not impossible that a team could drop from the Championship to L2 in two seasons without ever finishing in the bottom three. How would QPR fans feel if it happened to us?
The PL teams wouldn't agree to finance it. Why would they? They seem to resent every penny they send our way as it is.
You also need to think about TV deals. Championship clubs get more than the lower leagues. Some clubs are very dependent on that money to balance the books for Profit and Sustainability. The upheaval this would create might force some clubs into administration. Championship finances are very precarious for some clubs. Asking clubs to increase the risk of moving down the pyramid just to give the poor players more rest isn't going to happen.
Great idea on paper. I really do agree with it. But in practice it would be very hard to make it work. |
But if you did it the way they were proposing - 4 divisions instead of 3, regionalised split League Two, then that's 80 teams. Actually an increase. You'd need to promote a few up from the Conf to do it. The only ones getting artificially bumped down would be very few teams at the bottom of League One, which is already 4 up 4 down and is already chock with clubs that struggle horribly to compete financially at that level (see Accrington, Carlisle, Cambridge etc in recent years). | | | |
| Injuries on 15:17 - Dec 27 with 1872 views | KensalT |
| Injuries on 15:09 - Dec 27 by Northernr |
But if you did it the way they were proposing - 4 divisions instead of 3, regionalised split League Two, then that's 80 teams. Actually an increase. You'd need to promote a few up from the Conf to do it. The only ones getting artificially bumped down would be very few teams at the bottom of League One, which is already 4 up 4 down and is already chock with clubs that struggle horribly to compete financially at that level (see Accrington, Carlisle, Cambridge etc in recent years). |
I quite like the idea of regional leagues for the reasons you explained. But would the clubs agree to it? That's the real sticking point.
Also, teams coming up from the Conference aren't restricted by the sort of P&S rules we have to deal with. Open the doors for a load of them to come in and they will be starting with stronger squads and better finances than the rest. You'll just get more millionaire vanity projects like Salford and Wrexham.
And again, you haven't thought through the impact on L1. Eight teams would need to move down. That's a third of the division. How many of them would really want that? | | | |
| Injuries on 15:24 - Dec 27 with 1840 views | Northernr |
| Injuries on 15:17 - Dec 27 by KensalT |
I quite like the idea of regional leagues for the reasons you explained. But would the clubs agree to it? That's the real sticking point.
Also, teams coming up from the Conference aren't restricted by the sort of P&S rules we have to deal with. Open the doors for a load of them to come in and they will be starting with stronger squads and better finances than the rest. You'll just get more millionaire vanity projects like Salford and Wrexham.
And again, you haven't thought through the impact on L1. Eight teams would need to move down. That's a third of the division. How many of them would really want that? |
Well, as I say Lg 1 is already four up four down. So you'd be pissing off four teams. One extra from the Championship, and two in League One who wouldn't come up. I mean, they did very similar to this to form the Premier League. Relegation and promotion was all over the place for a few seasons 1991-1994.
Anyway, we know the answer, they voted promptly against it, for the reasons you've given. So we still have our precious Tuesday night trips to Hull and Boro forthcoming, with our squad full of muscle injuries (none of this discussion has addressed why we've gone from best in the league to worst, BTW).
The conversation started with your Leeds Beckett study on the rampant increase in muscle and fatigue injuries. So if the answer isn't "suck it up and reduce the amount of games/teams in the league", what is the answer?
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| Injuries on 15:30 - Dec 27 with 1810 views | KensalT |
| Injuries on 15:24 - Dec 27 by Northernr |
Well, as I say Lg 1 is already four up four down. So you'd be pissing off four teams. One extra from the Championship, and two in League One who wouldn't come up. I mean, they did very similar to this to form the Premier League. Relegation and promotion was all over the place for a few seasons 1991-1994.
Anyway, we know the answer, they voted promptly against it, for the reasons you've given. So we still have our precious Tuesday night trips to Hull and Boro forthcoming, with our squad full of muscle injuries (none of this discussion has addressed why we've gone from best in the league to worst, BTW).
The conversation started with your Leeds Beckett study on the rampant increase in muscle and fatigue injuries. So if the answer isn't "suck it up and reduce the amount of games/teams in the league", what is the answer?
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Unfortunately there are no easy answers.
You could increase squad sizes for EFL clubs, but that just increases costs and gives more scope for parachute clubs to hoard the better players.
You could also change the rules for international breaks so that all EFL fixtures go ahead, regardless of the number of call-ups. It would allow fixtures to be more evenly spread and reduce the number of three-game weeks. But there would be opposition from clubs and international bodies.
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| Injuries on 15:53 - Dec 27 with 1738 views | JimmyR |
| Injuries on 19:43 - Dec 26 by Northernr |
There's some very serious questions to answer about this.
They were more than happy to talk about it, trumpet the work of Ben Williams, put him up at forums and for interview last season. Loved saying we had the best availability in the Championship and either imply or outright say it was because of the overhaul the sport science, diet, "performance department" had been given. So they should be up for scrutiny now about what's changed and how we've gone from best in the division to worst.
A month or so back they were very keen to point out they were all contact injuries. I.e. bad luck. Not a lot you can do if somebody cracks through the back of your player's knee. Well, since then, Celar has blown a hamstring, JCS a calf, Morrison another muscle injury, Cook an injury that is absolutely prime overuse/over training. You take these sports medic people at their word and they all say if you're picking up loads of muscle, fatigue injuries - pulls, strains, tears - you're doing something wrong.
Morrison and Cook out for a length of time, at the same time, is nightmare scenario, as we saw today. |
Innit. Ben Williams Was doing a great job when it was all going well, so logically he has some/full responsibility now it’s not…
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| Injuries on 16:20 - Dec 27 with 1657 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Injuries on 15:24 - Dec 27 by Northernr |
Well, as I say Lg 1 is already four up four down. So you'd be pissing off four teams. One extra from the Championship, and two in League One who wouldn't come up. I mean, they did very similar to this to form the Premier League. Relegation and promotion was all over the place for a few seasons 1991-1994.
Anyway, we know the answer, they voted promptly against it, for the reasons you've given. So we still have our precious Tuesday night trips to Hull and Boro forthcoming, with our squad full of muscle injuries (none of this discussion has addressed why we've gone from best in the league to worst, BTW).
The conversation started with your Leeds Beckett study on the rampant increase in muscle and fatigue injuries. So if the answer isn't "suck it up and reduce the amount of games/teams in the league", what is the answer?
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QPR are really suffering as we have almost zero reserve team.
If we had a strong development team then I don't think we would be suffering half as bad. That's why I don't think games should be reduced, why punish well run clubs because basket cases can get a free pass.
I've criticised Nourry about his transfers, but I totally get what he is trying to do with regards to the youth. Get them playing higher age groups, go on loan younger (we just sent a 16yo old) and cut the chaff, no dead weight.
As a club we are not going to buy our way to promotion, we have to have 7 or 8 development players who can step in as well.
At the moment we have Morgan and Kolli, maybe Lloyd at a push, but that's not enough.
It's going to take time, but we have to be smarter than hoping 50% of our signings will come good. | | | |
| Injuries on 16:42 - Dec 27 with 1583 views | Northernr |
| Injuries on 15:30 - Dec 27 by KensalT |
Unfortunately there are no easy answers.
You could increase squad sizes for EFL clubs, but that just increases costs and gives more scope for parachute clubs to hoard the better players.
You could also change the rules for international breaks so that all EFL fixtures go ahead, regardless of the number of call-ups. It would allow fixtures to be more evenly spread and reduce the number of three-game weeks. But there would be opposition from clubs and international bodies.
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The international breaks is one I've thought about a lot.
It seems mental to me that we're off for three months, we come back and play six games in three weeks, then have a fortnight off. Then five games in four weeks, then a fortnight off. Then five games in four weeks, then a fortnight off. Then three solid months of three games a week before we get another break in March.
I quite like your suggestion. It wouldn't do us much good because as per Wilkins' post, which I agree with wholeheartedly, our development squad is woeful. We'd have seen Rafferty Pedder Championship Footballer which would have been quite something. But it would be like a 'chaos round'. Certainly a leveller against the parachute payment clubs.
Sadly things are going the opposite direction to that. So many League One games get called off now they're talking about introducing the international break down there which, with the wrecked format of the EFL Trophy and early round FA Cup games as well, could be a laugh. | | | |
| Injuries on 16:51 - Dec 27 with 1557 views | KensalT |
| Injuries on 16:42 - Dec 27 by Northernr |
The international breaks is one I've thought about a lot.
It seems mental to me that we're off for three months, we come back and play six games in three weeks, then have a fortnight off. Then five games in four weeks, then a fortnight off. Then five games in four weeks, then a fortnight off. Then three solid months of three games a week before we get another break in March.
I quite like your suggestion. It wouldn't do us much good because as per Wilkins' post, which I agree with wholeheartedly, our development squad is woeful. We'd have seen Rafferty Pedder Championship Footballer which would have been quite something. But it would be like a 'chaos round'. Certainly a leveller against the parachute payment clubs.
Sadly things are going the opposite direction to that. So many League One games get called off now they're talking about introducing the international break down there which, with the wrecked format of the EFL Trophy and early round FA Cup games as well, could be a laugh. |
I think it was Sepp Blatter who wanted the football calendar to be synchronised globally so that all domestic tournaments around the world were played at the same time of year. That way clubs could concentrate on their domestic programs without interruption. Then there would be time set aside at the end of the season to concentrate on international fixtures/tournaments.
Problem is that our winter is someone else's summer, and vice versa. You would end up with games being played in extreme weather conditions.
Another idea that works better on paper than in practice, [Post edited 27 Dec 17:03]
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| Injuries on 17:01 - Dec 27 with 1519 views | Northernr |
| Injuries on 16:51 - Dec 27 by KensalT |
I think it was Sepp Blatter who wanted the football calendar to be synchronised globally so that all domestic tournaments around the world were played at the same time of year. That way clubs could concentrate on their domestic programs without interruption. Then there would be time set aside at the end of the season to concentrate on international fixtures/tournaments.
Problem is that our winter is someone else's summer, and vice versa. You would end up with games being played in extreme weather conditions.
Another idea that works better on paper than in practice, [Post edited 27 Dec 17:03]
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Sadly I fear it's going to get worse rather than better. International tournaments are being expanded and expanded again. What's the next World Cup? 48 teams, across 6 weeks, the whole of North America and Mexico, in summer temperatures. Great plan, Bart. This ridiculous club world cup which nobody except Infantino seems to want. Ever more Middle and Far Eastern Tours (Man Utd have just announced a post season jaunt, thank God we got rid of those cup replays eh?). | | | |
| Injuries on 01:28 - Dec 28 with 1262 views | Markofthegrove |
| Injuries on 17:01 - Dec 27 by Northernr |
Sadly I fear it's going to get worse rather than better. International tournaments are being expanded and expanded again. What's the next World Cup? 48 teams, across 6 weeks, the whole of North America and Mexico, in summer temperatures. Great plan, Bart. This ridiculous club world cup which nobody except Infantino seems to want. Ever more Middle and Far Eastern Tours (Man Utd have just announced a post season jaunt, thank God we got rid of those cup replays eh?). |
You can add in the independent regulator which is already being shredded to bits by Dame Karen Brady in the Lords. She has made roughly half of the amendments to the bill. Conflict of interest much?
This is the thing that is meant to help keep the pyramid stable. The super league and A22 won't go away.
And let's not talk about our very own FA. They are about as useful as a pair of glasses, on a man with one ear. | | | |
| Injuries on 05:37 - Dec 28 with 1171 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Injuries on 14:31 - Dec 27 by slmrstid |
I'll preface this by saying I am a huge Marti fan, but if we're losing players to regular overuse/overtraining injuries then the Head Coach has to take some level of responsibility for that too - after all they are the ones taking training between games and no doubt still working players hard and still have input into the way players physically prepare for games - can't pin it all on the medical people and say "not my fault mate, its that bloke in Dubai not being here."
It obviously isn't the same level, but as a runner in a year I can have spells where I have races on back to back weekends or something like 3 races in 4 weeks - on those occasions you alter your planned training between races to allow the body time to recover after one race to get ready for the next - not carry on business as usual because you will pay the price and pick up injuries.
As said - huge Marti fan - but he has as much input into players physical preparation as Head Coach as anyone does. |
Good post, slmrstid.
I'm guessing here, naturally, but usual practice is that the medical team tell the coaches how many minutes training and playing each player can do on a day-to-day basis.
If that's the case at Rangers, as it was under Beale who bragged that he ignored the advice, and if Cifuentes is following the medical team's advice then he's absolved of any blame on that front. If, however, like Beale he's ignored their advice then maybe some of the injuries are partly down to him. |  |
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| Injuries on 08:42 - Dec 28 with 1025 views | numptydumpty |
Have read through the replies to my thread.
It is seen as too many games so this needs reducing
- erm, last year, we had hardly any injuries.
Then it's been mooted, we have a small squad
-err, actually last season our squad was much more lacking in depth.
Then, it's been said we need more younger players coming through
- umm, we got five or six under 21s playing and only one injured currently.
And then, it's said, it's because of the international breaks
- err, again it didn't happen last year and am sure, we are one of the worst with injuries this season, but many other clubs not in our position.
Then it's blamed on our head performance being remote
- umm, if the other staff worked with him last year and with some guidance from him this year, they should be well versed in what happens last year.
Then, it's blamed on Marti, playing players too early
- err, players seem to be out for months and they all have small sub appearances first.
Then, it's over training
- oww, be surprised by this, people saying Marti being a bad boy, but am sure the performance team has the power to over ride this.
Therefore there is only sadly only one conclusion that can be made
- umm, we are QPR and we are consistently crap, if we start getting too "Billy Big B*lls", the nasty spirit world that have a mission to keep that West London football club from Shepherds Bush down in the depths, start activating their powers big time.
There can be no other logical reason !!!!! | |
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| Injuries on 09:28 - Dec 28 with 948 views | Markofthegrove |
| Injuries on 08:42 - Dec 28 by numptydumpty |
Have read through the replies to my thread.
It is seen as too many games so this needs reducing
- erm, last year, we had hardly any injuries.
Then it's been mooted, we have a small squad
-err, actually last season our squad was much more lacking in depth.
Then, it's been said we need more younger players coming through
- umm, we got five or six under 21s playing and only one injured currently.
And then, it's said, it's because of the international breaks
- err, again it didn't happen last year and am sure, we are one of the worst with injuries this season, but many other clubs not in our position.
Then it's blamed on our head performance being remote
- umm, if the other staff worked with him last year and with some guidance from him this year, they should be well versed in what happens last year.
Then, it's blamed on Marti, playing players too early
- err, players seem to be out for months and they all have small sub appearances first.
Then, it's over training
- oww, be surprised by this, people saying Marti being a bad boy, but am sure the performance team has the power to over ride this.
Therefore there is only sadly only one conclusion that can be made
- umm, we are QPR and we are consistently crap, if we start getting too "Billy Big B*lls", the nasty spirit world that have a mission to keep that West London football club from Shepherds Bush down in the depths, start activating their powers big time.
There can be no other logical reason !!!!! |
More likely, each one of those things mentioned exasperate the situation just a little bit more.
Therefore the answer is to minimise risk with good sports science, good recruitment so we can rotate in as many areas as possible and have 2 or 3 youngsters available to us to cover worst case scenarios.
We have had the 2 or 3 youngsters covering key areas for us (Morgan, Kolli and Bennie).
So naturally you start looking at the recruitment (which has massive holes in key areas.....LB & ST).
And sports science.....to me the issue of Ben Williams working remotely is more of a standards and optics thing, than potentially blaming the injuries on his absence.
As Clive has mentioned previously, you can't take all the plaudits for our great injury record last season which was the best in the league and now not be liable for scrutiny when it's the worst in the league.
BTW, The spirit world has been good to me whilst supporting QPR down the years. El Dorado rum in particular. | | | |
| Injuries on 09:38 - Dec 28 with 911 views | Dorse |
In my opinion, the injury list is made slightly more awkward because of our squad balance.
Our defence on paper was: 4 × CB (with 2 providing FB cover); 1 × LB; 2 × RB.
Our defence in practice was: 3 × actual CB; 1 × LB; 1 × Jimmy Dunne; 2 × WTF? (Fox and Ashby) and 1 × Santos, who is, as far as anyone can tell, a piece of surrealist comedy.
So, in effect, we were only ever 1 × injury away from a disaster scenario involving having to play Fox, Ashby (out of position) or, heaven forfend, Santos at some point. And we lost Fox, JCS and Paal together. One decent LB option solves that- just - because Field can drop back if necessary.
Midfield recruitment has given us options (losing Chair last season would have been disastrous) but, up front and in defence, we are short again.
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| Injuries on 10:53 - Dec 28 with 769 views | KensalT |
| Injuries on 08:42 - Dec 28 by numptydumpty |
Have read through the replies to my thread.
It is seen as too many games so this needs reducing
- erm, last year, we had hardly any injuries.
Then it's been mooted, we have a small squad
-err, actually last season our squad was much more lacking in depth.
Then, it's been said we need more younger players coming through
- umm, we got five or six under 21s playing and only one injured currently.
And then, it's said, it's because of the international breaks
- err, again it didn't happen last year and am sure, we are one of the worst with injuries this season, but many other clubs not in our position.
Then it's blamed on our head performance being remote
- umm, if the other staff worked with him last year and with some guidance from him this year, they should be well versed in what happens last year.
Then, it's blamed on Marti, playing players too early
- err, players seem to be out for months and they all have small sub appearances first.
Then, it's over training
- oww, be surprised by this, people saying Marti being a bad boy, but am sure the performance team has the power to over ride this.
Therefore there is only sadly only one conclusion that can be made
- umm, we are QPR and we are consistently crap, if we start getting too "Billy Big B*lls", the nasty spirit world that have a mission to keep that West London football club from Shepherds Bush down in the depths, start activating their powers big time.
There can be no other logical reason !!!!! |
At least no one has tried to pin it on poor training and medical/rehab facilities!
We certainly don't have that excuse anymore. Not with a state of the art training ground.
But it does add to the frustration with players being unavailable to soft tissue injuries, which current sports/medical science experts seem to think are avoidable.
Maybe the science isn't as good as the experts tell us it is, or maybe we are doing it wrong.
But having spent many years and a lot of money to build this new facility the club should be looking hard at why we are still losing players to "avoidable" injuries. And from a PR point of view it wouldn't hurt to be a bit more open with the fans at some point (perhaps not until the end of the season - don't want to lose that competitive advantage!) as to why they think we're still struggling with these injuries. | | | |
| Injuries on 11:08 - Dec 28 with 718 views | Andybrat |
| Injuries on 10:53 - Dec 28 by KensalT |
At least no one has tried to pin it on poor training and medical/rehab facilities!
We certainly don't have that excuse anymore. Not with a state of the art training ground.
But it does add to the frustration with players being unavailable to soft tissue injuries, which current sports/medical science experts seem to think are avoidable.
Maybe the science isn't as good as the experts tell us it is, or maybe we are doing it wrong.
But having spent many years and a lot of money to build this new facility the club should be looking hard at why we are still losing players to "avoidable" injuries. And from a PR point of view it wouldn't hurt to be a bit more open with the fans at some point (perhaps not until the end of the season - don't want to lose that competitive advantage!) as to why they think we're still struggling with these injuries. |
So reading the papers this morning those with better facilities than ours are suffering more, thinking Spurs with no back 4 to talk about and Man City, looks like Ake did his hamstring as well. So the unavoidable conclusion is too many games. I have no stats but don’t remember as many injuries to key players when I was a kid and only one sub ( Gary Micklewhite more often than not). So maybe players are being trained to the point where the body gives way easier? Not putting it well but we are talking athletes at a peak with no give. I’m sure our teams of the 80s and 70s were not as fit as the science revolution via Wenger hadn’t arrived yet. It doesn’t give any form of answer, basically need bigger squads with adequate cover which is easier in the moneybags world of the Prem. So as stated earlier we need homegrown lads who can stand in. Have to say we are unlucky as I genuinely feel our season is being built around the quality of our CB’s especially with Morrison stepping so seamlessly. Norwich won’t be pretty. | | | |
| Injuries on 14:26 - Dec 28 with 565 views | rbee |
| Injuries on 14:54 - Dec 27 by Northernr |
My suspicion is he's rushing players back and playing people earlier than they're ready for more than they're ready for. I guess he would say that's out of necessity. JCS, yesterday, for example they said was pencilled in for 30 minutes, and that's a player with a record like Mr Bump. He gonna go again at Norwich?
The Steve Cook injury, as you'd know as a runner, is absolute classic over-use/over-training injury. |
With hindsight it was crazy for JCS to play the full 90 minutes at Preston as the game was basically lost at half time. |  | | |
| Injuries on 15:21 - Dec 28 with 467 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Injuries on 11:08 - Dec 28 by Andybrat |
So reading the papers this morning those with better facilities than ours are suffering more, thinking Spurs with no back 4 to talk about and Man City, looks like Ake did his hamstring as well. So the unavoidable conclusion is too many games. I have no stats but don’t remember as many injuries to key players when I was a kid and only one sub ( Gary Micklewhite more often than not). So maybe players are being trained to the point where the body gives way easier? Not putting it well but we are talking athletes at a peak with no give. I’m sure our teams of the 80s and 70s were not as fit as the science revolution via Wenger hadn’t arrived yet. It doesn’t give any form of answer, basically need bigger squads with adequate cover which is easier in the moneybags world of the Prem. So as stated earlier we need homegrown lads who can stand in. Have to say we are unlucky as I genuinely feel our season is being built around the quality of our CB’s especially with Morrison stepping so seamlessly. Norwich won’t be pretty. |
Back in the day the top teams had very small squads and hardly rotated at all: think Liverpool in the late 70s picked the same team every week wherever possible and a lot of their players must’ve played 50+ games a season.
The game is a lot quicker and more intense now but the players do get rested as long as the squad isn’t decimated by injuries. |  | | |
| Injuries on 15:57 - Dec 28 with 376 views | KensalT |
| Injuries on 15:21 - Dec 28 by Ned_Kennedys |
Back in the day the top teams had very small squads and hardly rotated at all: think Liverpool in the late 70s picked the same team every week wherever possible and a lot of their players must’ve played 50+ games a season.
The game is a lot quicker and more intense now but the players do get rested as long as the squad isn’t decimated by injuries. |
Players are fitter than they were in the seventies but they're also a lot bigger.
According to this our heaviest player is Sam Field at 88kg, which is getting on for 14st in old money
https://www.espn.co.uk/football/team/squad/_/id/334/eng.qpr
Back in the seventies that was the sort of weight a rugby player would be carrying.
For comparison, if Field were a boxer he would be up near the top weight for a cruiserweight
https://boxrec.com/wiki/index.php/Weight_divisions | | | |
| Injuries on 16:04 - Dec 28 with 344 views | derbyhoop |
| Injuries on 15:21 - Dec 28 by Ned_Kennedys |
Back in the day the top teams had very small squads and hardly rotated at all: think Liverpool in the late 70s picked the same team every week wherever possible and a lot of their players must’ve played 50+ games a season.
The game is a lot quicker and more intense now but the players do get rested as long as the squad isn’t decimated by injuries. |
True.
But many of those players from that era suffer. Tommy Smith, the hard man, was crippled and some defenders have brain damage from constant heading. |  |
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