| Thomas Cashman .Appeal 09:19 - Nov 20 with 850 views | onehunglow |
Another one .
Quite why wasn’t he given a whole life ?
Just imagine appealing for that piece of scum
Still,enough for a Professor KC to take the challenge
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| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 09:33 - Nov 20 with 827 views | Boundy |
Its his human right don't you know. | |
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| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 10:45 - Nov 20 with 795 views | onehunglow |
| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 09:33 - Nov 20 by Boundy |
Its his human right don't you know. |
I’ve been reading the KCs submissions.
I don’t think I can append them here
It would make me very angry and it wouldn’t help this site
As I’ve said many times,who would be a barrister literally looking to release earlier a child killer
The kids rights not important
He should have been topped | |
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| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 12:04 - Nov 20 with 768 views | raynor94 |
Baffling, he's been convicted by his peers, his sentence was handed down, so what on earth is there to appeal about.
So who pays for this appeal? |  |
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| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 12:14 - Nov 20 with 755 views | onehunglow |
| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 12:04 - Nov 20 by raynor94 |
Baffling, he's been convicted by his peers, his sentence was handed down, so what on earth is there to appeal about.
So who pays for this appeal? |
“ his legal team”
Team
A man who has never worked in his life having a professor KC no less . | |
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| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 20:57 - Nov 20 with 680 views | STID2017 |
| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 12:14 - Nov 20 by onehunglow |
“ his legal team”
Team
A man who has never worked in his life having a professor KC no less . |
The prosecution has a KC so it is his right to have a person of equal stature represent him.
Human rights have come on a long way since the Victorian times, or even since the miner's strikes of the '80's.
Persuade you should bring your views up to date to match ?
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| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 21:03 - Nov 20 with 671 views | raynor94 |
| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 20:57 - Nov 20 by STID2017 |
The prosecution has a KC so it is his right to have a person of equal stature represent him.
Human rights have come on a long way since the Victorian times, or even since the miner's strikes of the '80's.
Persuade you should bring your views up to date to match ?
You need |
With respect what is he actually appealing against? | |
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| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 21:20 - Nov 20 with 661 views | STID2017 |
| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 21:03 - Nov 20 by raynor94 |
With respect what is he actually appealing against? |
Rightly or wrongly (given the fact that a poor innocent girl died) he is appealing against the fact that the judge placed too much emphasis on his previous bad character, his lack of remorse and his failure to appear for sentencing.
Whilst to you and me the first is not good and the second and third are deplorable, they are not in themselves reasons to sentence him to a longer than normal sentence.
Whilst he clearly went with the intent to kill, it appears he never actually intended to kill the little girl.
The fact that he did is deplorable and all his actions are something you and I can never understand.
However the judge is different and should ensure the case is judged on it's merit, not on passion.
All that being said, I hope he rots in jail until his dying day and lives a long life to make sure of it
Law allowing of course | |
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| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 08:49 - Nov 21 with 587 views | onehunglow |
| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 21:03 - Nov 20 by raynor94 |
With respect what is he actually appealing against? |
That the judge used his clear lack of remorse to inflict a higher sentence
Btw,the cost is borne by the public.
Victorian innit | |
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| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 08:50 - Nov 21 with 585 views | onehunglow |
| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 20:57 - Nov 20 by STID2017 |
The prosecution has a KC so it is his right to have a person of equal stature represent him.
Human rights have come on a long way since the Victorian times, or even since the miner's strikes of the '80's.
Persuade you should bring your views up to date to match ?
You need |
My views are as a valid as yours
This chap should have been hung
Victorian values weren’t all bad | |
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| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 09:29 - Nov 21 with 567 views | Boundy |
| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 21:03 - Nov 20 by raynor94 |
With respect what is he actually appealing against? |
He's appealing against being classed a human not a piece of dog do. | |
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| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 09:31 - Nov 21 with 563 views | Boundy |
| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 21:20 - Nov 20 by STID2017 |
Rightly or wrongly (given the fact that a poor innocent girl died) he is appealing against the fact that the judge placed too much emphasis on his previous bad character, his lack of remorse and his failure to appear for sentencing.
Whilst to you and me the first is not good and the second and third are deplorable, they are not in themselves reasons to sentence him to a longer than normal sentence.
Whilst he clearly went with the intent to kill, it appears he never actually intended to kill the little girl.
The fact that he did is deplorable and all his actions are something you and I can never understand.
However the judge is different and should ensure the case is judged on it's merit, not on passion.
All that being said, I hope he rots in jail until his dying day and lives a long life to make sure of it
Law allowing of course |
Never mind the rest of whether he loved his granny or not nor was kind to cats ,was it proven that he pull the trigger, the jury said yes . | |
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| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 09:38 - Nov 21 with 556 views | onehunglow |
| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 09:31 - Nov 21 by Boundy |
Never mind the rest of whether he loved his granny or not nor was kind to cats ,was it proven that he pull the trigger, the jury said yes . |
He’s a career criminal
These people use the food nature of others for their own ends
I’m STID is a thoroughly decent chap but until one deals with villains like this ,it’s hard not to contain the contempt,the pure hatred for one who sees a young girl as a nonentity or an inconvenience to their chose lifestyle .
It’s why I question the moral dilemma barristers must fact when briefed to defend this . If they don’t have a dilemma ,then they are beneath contempt | |
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| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 10:18 - Nov 21 with 509 views | Superjan |
| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 10:45 - Nov 20 by onehunglow |
I’ve been reading the KCs submissions.
I don’t think I can append them here
It would make me very angry and it wouldn’t help this site
As I’ve said many times,who would be a barrister literally looking to release earlier a child killer
The kids rights not important
He should have been topped |
Out of interest , where have you read the " Kcs submissions " ? | | | |
| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 10:45 - Nov 21 with 502 views | onehunglow |
| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 10:18 - Nov 21 by Superjan |
Out of interest , where have you read the " Kcs submissions " ? |
In your interest ,it’s out there in the oublic domain ,as are the reasons for appeal against his sentence .
This appeal against the length of time .
Are you suggesting the sentence is excessive or that he was a victim of a miscarriage of justice ? | |
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| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 10:53 - Nov 21 with 495 views | Gwyn737 |
| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 10:45 - Nov 21 by onehunglow |
In your interest ,it’s out there in the oublic domain ,as are the reasons for appeal against his sentence .
This appeal against the length of time .
Are you suggesting the sentence is excessive or that he was a victim of a miscarriage of justice ? |
I would't suggest that.
I would suggest that the appeal has further tightened the case against this horrible piece of work.
That's a good thing. | | | |
| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 10:59 - Nov 21 with 489 views | onehunglow |
| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 10:53 - Nov 21 by Gwyn737 |
I would't suggest that.
I would suggest that the appeal has further tightened the case against this horrible piece of work.
That's a good thing. |
Gwyn.
His sentence should have been made whole life | |
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| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 11:09 - Nov 21 with 477 views | Gwyn737 |
| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 10:59 - Nov 21 by onehunglow |
Gwyn.
His sentence should have been made whole life |
Then that's a sentencing issue, nothing to do with the appeal. | | | |
| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 12:43 - Nov 21 with 444 views | Superjan |
| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 10:45 - Nov 21 by onehunglow |
In your interest ,it’s out there in the oublic domain ,as are the reasons for appeal against his sentence .
This appeal against the length of time .
Are you suggesting the sentence is excessive or that he was a victim of a miscarriage of justice ? |
Not suggesting anything of the sort. I don’t know enough about the case to give an educated opinion as to the merits of an appeal. | | | |
| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 23:40 - Nov 21 with 345 views | STID2017 |
| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 09:38 - Nov 21 by onehunglow |
He’s a career criminal
These people use the food nature of others for their own ends
I’m STID is a thoroughly decent chap but until one deals with villains like this ,it’s hard not to contain the contempt,the pure hatred for one who sees a young girl as a nonentity or an inconvenience to their chose lifestyle .
It’s why I question the moral dilemma barristers must fact when briefed to defend this . If they don’t have a dilemma ,then they are beneath contempt |
I am not for one minute suggesting this lowlife doesn't deserve to rot in jail until his dying day.
All I am stating is the law is the law and everyone has a right for it to be applied fairly.
Defending lawyers and QCs can only act on the information supplied to them by the CPS and the accused.
If I told my lawyer I was guilty of a crime, they can only then look to present any mitigating circles. They could not try to suggest I hadn't done it.
However if I pleaded my innocence, then it is their job to do their best to present the evidence to back up my case.
Both sides ( we trust ) work within the framework that the British justice system sets out.
Unlike us members of the public who see all the details of a case virtually from the moment the crime happens and make an instant decision based on whatever we see, read or hear on TV, newspapers, radio or more often now through social media, the courts amd those within them reach a verdict purely on the evidence presented before them.
Innocent until proven guilty is still the maxim we should all live by and the defence lawyers are there to play their part and ensure that is adhered to.
They have to set aside their own personal feelings about the accused and the case.
Otherwise where would any of us be ?
So there is no moral dilemma.
It would be equally easy to say why do the police not arrest all the people who we witness openly breaking the law daily ( dealing drugs, causing mayhem and violence, being drunk and disorderly etc ).
However, as with the courts, we expect them to do their jobs fairly and with a balanced attitude | |
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| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 09:25 - Nov 22 with 299 views | onehunglow |
| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 23:40 - Nov 21 by STID2017 |
I am not for one minute suggesting this lowlife doesn't deserve to rot in jail until his dying day.
All I am stating is the law is the law and everyone has a right for it to be applied fairly.
Defending lawyers and QCs can only act on the information supplied to them by the CPS and the accused.
If I told my lawyer I was guilty of a crime, they can only then look to present any mitigating circles. They could not try to suggest I hadn't done it.
However if I pleaded my innocence, then it is their job to do their best to present the evidence to back up my case.
Both sides ( we trust ) work within the framework that the British justice system sets out.
Unlike us members of the public who see all the details of a case virtually from the moment the crime happens and make an instant decision based on whatever we see, read or hear on TV, newspapers, radio or more often now through social media, the courts amd those within them reach a verdict purely on the evidence presented before them.
Innocent until proven guilty is still the maxim we should all live by and the defence lawyers are there to play their part and ensure that is adhered to.
They have to set aside their own personal feelings about the accused and the case.
Otherwise where would any of us be ?
So there is no moral dilemma.
It would be equally easy to say why do the police not arrest all the people who we witness openly breaking the law daily ( dealing drugs, causing mayhem and violence, being drunk and disorderly etc ).
However, as with the courts, we expect them to do their jobs fairly and with a balanced attitude |
Decent responses thanks
I don’t disagree with much of that
What I am musing over is the dilemma a barrister might feel about one so evil using all the public funds available to have him released earlier .
The bottom line is this.
If this appeal is successful,it means he could be out earlier . It’s not the length of the sentence ,just the fact this killer can feel he has won something . The families have suffered enough . | |
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| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 23:59 - Nov 22 with 185 views | STID2017 |
| Thomas Cashman .Appeal on 09:25 - Nov 22 by onehunglow |
Decent responses thanks
I don’t disagree with much of that
What I am musing over is the dilemma a barrister might feel about one so evil using all the public funds available to have him released earlier .
The bottom line is this.
If this appeal is successful,it means he could be out earlier . It’s not the length of the sentence ,just the fact this killer can feel he has won something . The families have suffered enough . |
I can only imagine the barrister manages it thus:
The system allows this murderer to appeal.
Using public money.
The upside is that the fact that it is possible for such a career criminal to appeal also means that I am able to represent those wrongly convicted who have no financial means themselves to get legal representation.
So whilst I may not be happy representing this criminal, it at least means I can fight for those I believe were wrongly convicted.
Also whilst I might be representing this career criminal today, at least next time I may be helping to prosecute someone charged with an equally serious crime. | |
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