| Other clubs transfers - summer thread 15:07 - Jul 20 with 109570 views | Northernr |
Sheff Utd in for Jon Swift at Reading at a bargain £3.5m.
Looks like a buyers' market... |  | | |  |
| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 11:05 - Aug 19 with 3312 views | WrightUp5hit___ |
So center back Jonathan Dinzeyi, who Spurs released and we had on trial towards the end of last season, has signed for the Arse
Funny old world [Post edited 19 Aug 2020 11:06]
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| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 11:07 - Aug 19 with 3305 views | Northernr |
| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 11:05 - Aug 19 by WrightUp5hit___ |
So center back Jonathan Dinzeyi, who Spurs released and we had on trial towards the end of last season, has signed for the Arse
Funny old world [Post edited 19 Aug 2020 11:06]
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Some weird agent sht going on at Arsenal atm. | | | |
| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 11:12 - Aug 19 with 3280 views | WrightUp5hit___ |
| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 11:07 - Aug 19 by Northernr |
Some weird agent sht going on at Arsenal atm. |
Starts with Kia and ends with Joorabachian
He may not be Dr Evil, but he sure has been part of shifting of huge lumps of money, and shifting some decrepit ex superstars and talentless never will be. | | | |
| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 11:38 - Aug 19 with 3262 views | rsonist |
https://arseblog.news/2020/08/arsenal-sign-youngster-akinola-for-under-23s/
I don't think it's Kia related but there has been a sudden odd-looking change of tack in the u23s there.
Possibly with Brexit looming and restrictions on EU recruitment they are trying the Chelsea route of youth team as financial instrument.
https://theathletic.com/2003602/2020/0/
His signing is part of the recruitment drive to add promising “development players” to Arsenal’s academy system. [...] Low-cost signings like Dinzeyi, Tim Akinola and George Lewis are seen as having a good potential upside: even if they do not break through to the senior set-up, they can be sold on to generate profit.
Could also be the case we end up seeing a rise in career B teamers who exist to fill out reserve sides. |  | | |
| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 11:51 - Aug 19 with 3245 views | LazyFan |
| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 11:12 - Aug 19 by WrightUp5hit___ |
Starts with Kia and ends with Joorabachian
He may not be Dr Evil, but he sure has been part of shifting of huge lumps of money, and shifting some decrepit ex superstars and talentless never will be. |
Agreed. Kia will mess with it at the top and that will ripple effect all the way down. |  |
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| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 12:00 - Aug 19 with 3221 views | WrightUp5hit___ |
| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 11:38 - Aug 19 by rsonist |
https://arseblog.news/2020/08/arsenal-sign-youngster-akinola-for-under-23s/
I don't think it's Kia related but there has been a sudden odd-looking change of tack in the u23s there.
Possibly with Brexit looming and restrictions on EU recruitment they are trying the Chelsea route of youth team as financial instrument.
https://theathletic.com/2003602/2020/0/
His signing is part of the recruitment drive to add promising “development players” to Arsenal’s academy system. [...] Low-cost signings like Dinzeyi, Tim Akinola and George Lewis are seen as having a good potential upside: even if they do not break through to the senior set-up, they can be sold on to generate profit.
Could also be the case we end up seeing a rise in career B teamers who exist to fill out reserve sides. |
Just at the moment kids, their parents and agents are beginning to realise that getting signed up to the Chelsea puppy farm is not always a good move.
For many it's a drop out of football entirely, for some a well paid round of loans while circling the plughole.
Wonder who convinced the Arse that it is a system worth trying? | | | |
| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 16:09 - Aug 19 with 3025 views | NewBee |
| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 12:00 - Aug 19 by WrightUp5hit___ |
Just at the moment kids, their parents and agents are beginning to realise that getting signed up to the Chelsea puppy farm is not always a good move.
For many it's a drop out of football entirely, for some a well paid round of loans while circling the plughole.
Wonder who convinced the Arse that it is a system worth trying? |
"Just at the moment kids, their parents and agents are beginning to realise that getting signed up to the Chelsea puppy farm is not always a good move."
Not for the players involved, maybe, but very profitable business for Chelsea down the years.
You know, people think that Abramovitch just throws money at Chelsea, and while that was the case at the beginning, when he needed to establish them, it's not so prevalent lately, as he's learned how the business works.
For example, when he first sacked Mourinho, apparently Jose needed a Securicor van to drive his pay-off to the bank.
The second time he got sod-all (relatively speaking).
As for Arsenal, I wouldn't be surprised if news of Chelsea's player-factory profits have just reached Stan Kronke in America and he's demanded they do the same, esp since players must be cheap just now thanks to Covid-19. |  | | |
| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 16:29 - Aug 19 with 2984 views | rsonist |
Players are still very happy to buy into the system. They're better remunerated as loan cattle, the parent club is pretty proactive about where they're sent and how they're managed, they don't get locked in to bad situations. Luxury temp agency basically. | | | |
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| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 20:20 - Aug 19 with 2773 views | NewBee |
| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 16:29 - Aug 19 by rsonist |
Players are still very happy to buy into the system. They're better remunerated as loan cattle, the parent club is pretty proactive about where they're sent and how they're managed, they don't get locked in to bad situations. Luxury temp agency basically. |
Little known fact: Brentford haven't given a loanee so much as one minutes playing time during the last three seasons.
I guess the reasoning is that if they turn out any good, the parent club will either want them back or sell them for a profit i.e. you're bringing on another club's player for them.
And if they turn out to be crap, then you don't want them anyway.
As for at least getting a good season or two out of them while they're with you, then fair enough, but that is short-term thinking. Better over the mid-to-long term to develop one of your own youngsters instead. | | | |
| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 20:44 - Aug 19 with 2744 views | rsonist |
| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 20:20 - Aug 19 by NewBee |
Little known fact: Brentford haven't given a loanee so much as one minutes playing time during the last three seasons.
I guess the reasoning is that if they turn out any good, the parent club will either want them back or sell them for a profit i.e. you're bringing on another club's player for them.
And if they turn out to be crap, then you don't want them anyway.
As for at least getting a good season or two out of them while they're with you, then fair enough, but that is short-term thinking. Better over the mid-to-long term to develop one of your own youngsters instead. |
That makes sense but personally I'm less hardline about it than some here. The benefits of having a player or two you wouldn't normally be able to attain are obvious - at the same time though the dangers of a loan are clearly signposted too and it's up to the clubs to be prepared for the kind of shock Charlton suffered with Gallacher being pulled mid-season, or us with Wells.
The factor to be considered is simply where your club is at. When you lot came up, the loans of Pritchard and Jota were pivotal - what they did for the team established the club in the league and was a showcase for the sale of Andre Gray, and then you reinvested that money to crack on. Once you get the ball rolling with a robust model, settled side, and money to spend then you can build on that foundation by going your own way and focusing on development. [Post edited 19 Aug 2020 20:45]
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| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 23:11 - Aug 19 with 2544 views | NewBee |
| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 20:44 - Aug 19 by rsonist |
That makes sense but personally I'm less hardline about it than some here. The benefits of having a player or two you wouldn't normally be able to attain are obvious - at the same time though the dangers of a loan are clearly signposted too and it's up to the clubs to be prepared for the kind of shock Charlton suffered with Gallacher being pulled mid-season, or us with Wells.
The factor to be considered is simply where your club is at. When you lot came up, the loans of Pritchard and Jota were pivotal - what they did for the team established the club in the league and was a showcase for the sale of Andre Gray, and then you reinvested that money to crack on. Once you get the ball rolling with a robust model, settled side, and money to spend then you can build on that foundation by going your own way and focusing on development. [Post edited 19 Aug 2020 20:45]
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"When you lot came up, the loans of Pritchard and Jota were pivotal..."
We didn't borrow Jota, we bought him from Celta Vigo outright for £1.3m (or thereabouts) in summer 2014. In Jan.2016 we allowed him to return to Spain (Eibar) on an 18 month loan for personal/family reasons, in return he allowed the club a further one year option on his BFC contract.
He came back early in Jan.2017, played brilliantly until the end of season, when BFC sold him to Villa for somewhere north of £6m.
The point being that had we not had that extra option, he could have left on a free. But because we'd played fair with him over his return to Spain, we got our reward with the transfer. | | | |
| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 23:18 - Aug 19 with 2548 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
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| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 00:47 - Aug 20 with 2493 views | rsonist |
| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 23:11 - Aug 19 by NewBee |
"When you lot came up, the loans of Pritchard and Jota were pivotal..."
We didn't borrow Jota, we bought him from Celta Vigo outright for £1.3m (or thereabouts) in summer 2014. In Jan.2016 we allowed him to return to Spain (Eibar) on an 18 month loan for personal/family reasons, in return he allowed the club a further one year option on his BFC contract.
He came back early in Jan.2017, played brilliantly until the end of season, when BFC sold him to Villa for somewhere north of £6m.
The point being that had we not had that extra option, he could have left on a free. But because we'd played fair with him over his return to Spain, we got our reward with the transfer. |
Meant Canos, sorry. | | | |
| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 00:55 - Aug 20 with 2488 views | rsonist |
| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 23:18 - Aug 19 by BazzaInTheLoft |
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Wonder what they promised for him to end up there with those options. | | | |
| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 07:51 - Aug 20 with 2374 views | Northernr |
| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 00:55 - Aug 20 by rsonist |
Wonder what they promised for him to end up there with those options. |
Wednesday doing Wednesday things. Brown doing Brown things. | | | |
| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 08:45 - Aug 20 with 2290 views | eghamranger |
Certainly not bothered about brown.
Scum, injured, not great and obviously demanding decent money.. |  | | |
| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 09:09 - Aug 20 with 2251 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 08:45 - Aug 20 by eghamranger |
Certainly not bothered about brown.
Scum, injured, not great and obviously demanding decent money.. |
On that note - a question for anyone who knows these things:
Does a player who goes on loan
a) get paid his contracted basic wage by his parent club (with the loaning club maybe or maybe not side-paying the parent club a percentage of the wages)
b) get paid by the loaning club, depending on what they may be willing and able to pay, or
c) a mixture of both. |  |
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| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 09:13 - Aug 20 with 2239 views | Northernr |
| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 09:09 - Aug 20 by BrianMcCarthy |
On that note - a question for anyone who knows these things:
Does a player who goes on loan
a) get paid his contracted basic wage by his parent club (with the loaning club maybe or maybe not side-paying the parent club a percentage of the wages)
b) get paid by the loaning club, depending on what they may be willing and able to pay, or
c) a mixture of both. |
Depends on the deal. Prem players dropping down to the Champ it'll usually be a split.
Sam Gallagher was the infamous example at Birmingham under 'Arry where they paid not only a loan fee, not only his £10k a week Southampton wage, but then also another £10k a week on top, so he got a pay rise to go out on loan and Birmingham paid just shy of £5m to borrow Sam Gallagher for one season. | | | |
| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 09:16 - Aug 20 with 2228 views | rsonist |
| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 09:09 - Aug 20 by BrianMcCarthy |
On that note - a question for anyone who knows these things:
Does a player who goes on loan
a) get paid his contracted basic wage by his parent club (with the loaning club maybe or maybe not side-paying the parent club a percentage of the wages)
b) get paid by the loaning club, depending on what they may be willing and able to pay, or
c) a mixture of both. |
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| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 09:27 - Aug 20 with 2200 views | BrianMcCarthy |
| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 09:13 - Aug 20 by Northernr |
Depends on the deal. Prem players dropping down to the Champ it'll usually be a split.
Sam Gallagher was the infamous example at Birmingham under 'Arry where they paid not only a loan fee, not only his £10k a week Southampton wage, but then also another £10k a week on top, so he got a pay rise to go out on loan and Birmingham paid just shy of £5m to borrow Sam Gallagher for one season. |
Cool, thanks.
So (a) is the norm and is the minimum?
And (b) and (c) if greed or stupidity kick in? | |
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| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 13:23 - Aug 20 with 2088 views | NewBee |
| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 09:09 - Aug 20 by BrianMcCarthy |
On that note - a question for anyone who knows these things:
Does a player who goes on loan
a) get paid his contracted basic wage by his parent club (with the loaning club maybe or maybe not side-paying the parent club a percentage of the wages)
b) get paid by the loaning club, depending on what they may be willing and able to pay, or
c) a mixture of both. |
As NorthernR notes, it all depends on the two clubs.
I do know that in some cases it depends on whether the borrowing club plays him or not which determines who picks up the wagew bill.
That is, if the borrowing club doesn't pick him, they have to pay him part or all of his wages, depending on what has been negotiated.
But if he is being picked every week, the lending club picks up more of the tab, since it is developing their player.
Another factor is whether the loan includes an option to buy - I assume that if the borrowing club is granted that option, it will be reflected in what they have to pay whilst he's on loan. | | | |
| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 22:23 - Aug 20 with 1960 views | WrightUp5hit___ |
So Foolham have won the Antonee Robinson race.
£2m for the guy who failed his Inter Milan medical
Also worth noting Wigan's owner has written off £36m due to him, so as to assist the sale of the club.
So maybe no more bargains at the administrators store. [Post edited 20 Aug 2020 22:28]
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| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 23:21 - Aug 20 with 1866 views | Myke |
| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 20:20 - Aug 19 by NewBee |
Little known fact: Brentford haven't given a loanee so much as one minutes playing time during the last three seasons.
I guess the reasoning is that if they turn out any good, the parent club will either want them back or sell them for a profit i.e. you're bringing on another club's player for them.
And if they turn out to be crap, then you don't want them anyway.
As for at least getting a good season or two out of them while they're with you, then fair enough, but that is short-term thinking. Better over the mid-to-long term to develop one of your own youngsters instead. |
errr...why take a player on loan at all if you don't intend to play him ? I thought that was just a Jack Clarke thing with us? It's late, I have a large glass of fortified red wine, I'm probably missing something obvious | | | |
| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 07:13 - Aug 21 with 4018 views | derbyhoop |
| Other clubs transfers - summer thread on 11:05 - Aug 19 by WrightUp5hit___ |
So center back Jonathan Dinzeyi, who Spurs released and we had on trial towards the end of last season, has signed for the Arse
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I'd thought he was a shoo-in to join us.
Came on trial. About to be released by Spurs, so Ramsey, Ferdinand, etc knew about him. Right age. In a position where we are short if numbers. A player we could de develop and sell on.
I suggest, as per the Chris Ramsey interview earlier this week, they looked and decided he was no better than players we already had.
If I'm right it's good news for Gubbins, Etc |  |
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