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What an absolutely sickening episode in the life of this country the current issue with the so-called Windrush children is.
These people arrived here as kids, their parents answering a call for help, they've lived here for 50 years, worked, paid taxes and national insurance, brought up their own families, and are now being deported or threatened.
In 2015 NHS reports were stating that efforts were being made to recoup some £500m for the treatment of the non-eligible.
[Post edited 17 Apr 2018 23:52]
If you do any work for Swansea University you have to provide your passport to show your eligibility to work in this country. I had to recently despite the fact that they have been consulting me for over 5 years.
Planet Swans Prediction League Winner Season 2013-14. Runner up 2014_15.
If you do any work for Swansea University you have to provide your passport to show your eligibility to work in this country. I had to recently despite the fact that they have been consulting me for over 5 years.
Sorry, mate. I’d edited my post to make a different point before I saw your reply.
An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.
Maybot destroyed the evidence and Number 10 now saying it was the right decision.
I bet the innocent people who have been worried sick, detained, cant work, cant travel, cant access NHS, and yet have lived here some 60 years hold a different view.
Maybot destroyed the evidence and Number 10 now saying it was the right decision.
I bet the innocent people who have been worried sick, detained, cant work, cant travel, cant access NHS, and yet have lived here some 60 years hold a different view.
Resign Maybot. Idiot.
Clase and Lisa were asking how hospitals establish eligibility for treatment. There is official guidance on this in each of the four home countries, which may or may not reflect the on-the-ground reality. You will notice that it bans practices such as racial profiling.
Wales is slightly different but I was unable to find the up-to-date guidance on the web.
Being 'ordinarily resident' in this context is not a simple reflection of tax status as this will be established on a practical basis by the hospital officer. For example, a returning expat who would not otherwise be eligible for free treatment could assert that s/he intends to resume residence in the UK and give evidence to support that claim, which would usually open the way for free treatment.
I am not myself involved in this process, but think the above is roughly correct. If we have any posters who work in Welsh hospitals I could be interested to hear their views.
The first skinhead trail blazers came off this boat, early ska influences that went on to inspire a whole load of generations. For that alone they should be given freedoms of every city they have loved and contributed to.
Nolan sympathiser, clout expert, personal friend of Leigh Dineen, advocate and enforcer of porridge swallows.
The official inventor of the tit w@nk.
The first skinhead trail blazers came off this boat, early ska influences that went on to inspire a whole load of generations. For that alone they should be given freedoms of every city they have loved and contributed to.
In the late 60's I was given an album by Toots and the Maytals, what a brilliant new sound and experience.
Sadly it's somewhere hidden in the attic, maybe lost but not forgotten.
Maybot destroyed the evidence and Number 10 now saying it was the right decision.
I bet the innocent people who have been worried sick, detained, cant work, cant travel, cant access NHS, and yet have lived here some 60 years hold a different view.
Resign Maybot. Idiot.
Unfortunately, she will never resign. The last election was more than enough reason for her to resign and she didn't.
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
The first skinhead trail blazers came off this boat, early ska influences that went on to inspire a whole load of generations. For that alone they should be given freedoms of every city they have loved and contributed to.
I want a mate like Flashberryjacks, who wears a Barnsley jersey with "Swans are my second team" on the back.
Maybot destroyed the evidence and Number 10 now saying it was the right decision.
I bet the innocent people who have been worried sick, detained, cant work, cant travel, cant access NHS, and yet have lived here some 60 years hold a different view.
Resign Maybot. Idiot.
Where your attack falters, Killy, is with today’s disclosure that the decision to bin the landing cards was made in 2009 under the last Labour government.
I’m not trying to make any sort of a political point just to echo the frustration of anybody who has attempted serious archival research and discovered just how much hardcopy has been redacted as superfluous in the last three decades as computerisation has progressed.
There is no conspiracy here, nothing sinister. What they will tell you time after time is that it’s a question of space and there is little of it for what they may deem as ephemera.
An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.
So in the space of a day the government say that they destroyed the documents because of data protection, then they said it was the border force’s decision, now they say it was Labour?
So in the space of a day the government say that they destroyed the documents because of data protection, then they said it was the border force’s decision, now they say it was Labour?
Facking hell mun
😂😂😂
Another mystifying example of political inability to just give a straight answer, Tom. Or is it somehow ‘racist’ to say nobody at the Home Office thought the landing card boxes were worth the dexion shelving?
An idea isn't responsible for those who believe in it.
Another mystifying example of political inability to just give a straight answer, Tom. Or is it somehow ‘racist’ to say nobody at the Home Office thought the landing card boxes were worth the dexion shelving?
I don’t think racism has any thing to do with it Loh
Just another total inept government making things up as they go along .
"Whistleblowers contradict No 10 over destroyed Windrush landing cards"
"Home Office claims that the destruction of Windrush-era landing cards in 2010 had no impact on the rights of those individuals to stay in the UK have been dramatically undermined by the evidence of two new whistleblowers.
Staff, in fact, routinely used landing card information as part of their decision-making process, and saw the Windrush landing cards as a useful resource, according to information from two new Home Office whistleblowers.
Their accounts have been further supported by the emergence of Border Force guidance, obtained under the Freedom of Information Act, that appears to contradict the government’s justification of a decision to destroy an archive of Windrush-era arrival slips"
these fackers lie week in week and get away with it
The decision to destroy the landing cards would, and should, be irrelevant if the dog whistle hostile environment hadn't been implemented.
Like a Dutch friend of mine and his concerns over brexit, he's lived here, paying a lot of tax, for a number of years, but hasn't kept records of every trip into and out of the UK because there was no need to. Now he's worried about how he can prove any length of residence.
Clase and Lisa were asking how hospitals establish eligibility for treatment. There is official guidance on this in each of the four home countries, which may or may not reflect the on-the-ground reality. You will notice that it bans practices such as racial profiling.
Wales is slightly different but I was unable to find the up-to-date guidance on the web.
Being 'ordinarily resident' in this context is not a simple reflection of tax status as this will be established on a practical basis by the hospital officer. For example, a returning expat who would not otherwise be eligible for free treatment could assert that s/he intends to resume residence in the UK and give evidence to support that claim, which would usually open the way for free treatment.
I am not myself involved in this process, but think the above is roughly correct. If we have any posters who work in Welsh hospitals I could be interested to hear their views.
[Post edited 18 Apr 2018 8:07]
Thanks for the links.
I have to say, it still doesn't really answer the question as to how these 'Windrush' cases came about, as it seems the crucial question in the guidance 'have you lived in the Uk for the last 12 months' would be answered 'yes' by the people in question.
I think this may possibly be linked with Lohengrin's point about records being kept ever since you first registered as a child?
these fackers lie week in week and get away with it
Do you find it impossible to refer to a woman you don't like without using the term 'bitch'?
She didn't lie on this point. Corbyn asked her was it true that she as Home Secretary ordered the destruction of the cards and she said no, the decision (note decision) was taken in 2009 under a Labour government (which it turns out it was). It appears that the decision was made in reference to an office move, was always operational, and I can't believe for one second the Home Secretary (Alan Johnson I think?) knew what was being destroyed and what wasn't.
The records were 50 or so years old, and no one would have assumed that they couldn't be destroyed.
But you can't blame May personally when you think it's the Home Office under her, and then not Johnson personally because it's him. It's double standards.
The issue with this particular aspect is that Corbyn forgot the cardinal rule that you don't ask a question to which you do not know the answer, otherwise you look like a complete idiot.
It's all masking the genuine issue, which seems to relate to a decision made in 2014 to remove a protection that existed for commonwealth residents. The understanding seems to be that no one realised the impact it would have, as it is a situation that on the face of it was covered elsewhere, but some have fallen through the gaps because a catch all was removed.
The whole situation is a disgrace, but the more you hear, the more it seems like utter incompetence.
I have to say, it still doesn't really answer the question as to how these 'Windrush' cases came about, as it seems the crucial question in the guidance 'have you lived in the Uk for the last 12 months' would be answered 'yes' by the people in question.
I think this may possibly be linked with Lohengrin's point about records being kept ever since you first registered as a child?
"Since October, NHS hospitals in England have had a legal duty to charge overseas patients upfront for non-urgent care if they are not eligible for free treatment. That includes EU citizens who have been in UK less than six months.
The regulations require NHS bodies to make inquiries about whether patients are here legally and ordinarily resident in the UK, in order to charge those who aren't entitled to free care.
The Windrush migrants are entitled to treatment - their problem has been proving this."
"The Home Office has put the onus on the individual to provide evidence."
"It has not been using central tax and pension records, which could prove someone has been working, to support people's applications. Instead, the current system relies on people having kept their own documentation including payslips and bank statements."
PLUS
"Part of the problem has been a requirement to provide four pieces of evidence for each year that a person has been in the country."
Do you find it impossible to refer to a woman you don't like without using the term 'bitch'?
She didn't lie on this point. Corbyn asked her was it true that she as Home Secretary ordered the destruction of the cards and she said no, the decision (note decision) was taken in 2009 under a Labour government (which it turns out it was). It appears that the decision was made in reference to an office move, was always operational, and I can't believe for one second the Home Secretary (Alan Johnson I think?) knew what was being destroyed and what wasn't.
The records were 50 or so years old, and no one would have assumed that they couldn't be destroyed.
But you can't blame May personally when you think it's the Home Office under her, and then not Johnson personally because it's him. It's double standards.
The issue with this particular aspect is that Corbyn forgot the cardinal rule that you don't ask a question to which you do not know the answer, otherwise you look like a complete idiot.
It's all masking the genuine issue, which seems to relate to a decision made in 2014 to remove a protection that existed for commonwealth residents. The understanding seems to be that no one realised the impact it would have, as it is a situation that on the face of it was covered elsewhere, but some have fallen through the gaps because a catch all was removed.
The whole situation is a disgrace, but the more you hear, the more it seems like utter incompetence.
Do you find it impossible to refer to a woman you don't like without using the term 'bitch'?
"Since October, NHS hospitals in England have had a legal duty to charge overseas patients upfront for non-urgent care if they are not eligible for free treatment. That includes EU citizens who have been in UK less than six months.
The regulations require NHS bodies to make inquiries about whether patients are here legally and ordinarily resident in the UK, in order to charge those who aren't entitled to free care.
The Windrush migrants are entitled to treatment - their problem has been proving this."
"The Home Office has put the onus on the individual to provide evidence."
"It has not been using central tax and pension records, which could prove someone has been working, to support people's applications. Instead, the current system relies on people having kept their own documentation including payslips and bank statements."
PLUS
"Part of the problem has been a requirement to provide four pieces of evidence for each year that a person has been in the country."
The point I was making (and Clasie) is what triggers the request for info, as we are not routinely asked to provide a passport etc for hospital treatment.
I understand why they can't provide it - it's bloody ridiculous to expect people to be able to do so going back that length of time.
Do you find it impossible to refer to a woman you don't like without using the term 'bitch'?
Ok
how about cow?
How about something which doesn't refer to gender?
In the interests of balance, you'll be aware that I say exactly the same about Diane Abbott and have criticised those that refer to her in those or similar terms.
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