| Incident at MEN 23:11 - May 22 with 14563 views | nordenblue |
Seems like some kind of explosion has just happened at the arena immediately after a concert.....doesnt sound good |  | | |  |
| Incident at MEN on 19:18 - May 25 with 2357 views | damon791 |
| Incident at MEN on 15:33 - May 25 by 1mark1 |
Totally agree with you, in much what you say. The thing about Libya and Iraq, is that Ghaddaffi and Hussain, both kept the fundamentalists under control, as they both ran secular governments. Hussain's right hand man Tariiq Assis was a Christian. In fact in both countries, not only Christians but other religions as well as non religious people, were left alone, and unlike nowadays were not attacked. However the western powers did not like those two people,as they refused to allow the west to run the oil, and didn't trade in dollars. The bastard that committed this heinous, cowardly crime came from one of the opposition forces of Libya, hard line fundamentalists who want to make their form of religion all powerful at the expense of other Muslims and other religions. I simply don't understand why this bastard holds so much resentment against Britain, especially when this country was part of the coalition that got rid of their sworn enemy Ghaddifi.
Just hope from now on we syptay out of other countries civil wars etc. |
Yes ghaddaffi/Hussain were despots who killed thousands if not 10's of thousands of their own people no matter what religion they were let's stay out of country's who kill their own people then have the liberals crying that were not doing anything it's a joke. | | | |
| Incident at MEN on 21:11 - May 25 with 2251 views | pioneer |
| Incident at MEN on 19:18 - May 25 by damon791 |
Yes ghaddaffi/Hussain were despots who killed thousands if not 10's of thousands of their own people no matter what religion they were let's stay out of country's who kill their own people then have the liberals crying that were not doing anything it's a joke. |
No one is trying to say they were on par with Mother Thresea....but then neither were/are Mugabe, Botha,........I could go on for several pages. Our leaders believed they had the right to take military action against soverign countries. Should they (we) not have expected some sort of backlash and planned accordingly both for the backlash and what would fill the void they created? More people are killed in Iraq and Libya today than our one time friends Saddam and Gadaffi ever managed.
If you want to change behaviour you need to first try to understand behaviour. Why do people do such evil things as occurred in Manchester on Monday and what can be done to reduce the likelihood of others wanting to do such things? We cant hope to answer the second without addressing the first much as it might be horribly frustrating. The approach seemed to work in bringing to an end the atrocities during the irish troubles, only after many years and much loss of life trying the alternative approach. Did we not learn anything from that? | | | |
| Incident at MEN on 22:17 - May 25 with 2219 views | nordenblue |
| Incident at MEN on 21:11 - May 25 by pioneer |
No one is trying to say they were on par with Mother Thresea....but then neither were/are Mugabe, Botha,........I could go on for several pages. Our leaders believed they had the right to take military action against soverign countries. Should they (we) not have expected some sort of backlash and planned accordingly both for the backlash and what would fill the void they created? More people are killed in Iraq and Libya today than our one time friends Saddam and Gadaffi ever managed.
If you want to change behaviour you need to first try to understand behaviour. Why do people do such evil things as occurred in Manchester on Monday and what can be done to reduce the likelihood of others wanting to do such things? We cant hope to answer the second without addressing the first much as it might be horribly frustrating. The approach seemed to work in bringing to an end the atrocities during the irish troubles, only after many years and much loss of life trying the alternative approach. Did we not learn anything from that? |
Without going into every point the comparison to the IRA is not far from zero,you can't reason with these animals they are absolutely brain washed to an extent there is no understanding or reasoning with them....one things certain and thats the country can't keep tabs on the alleged 3000+ of these lunatics and that number needs reducing and rapidly.
From the many interviews and opinions ive heard or watched the armed forces top brass appear to hold quite a few of the answers to the major problems,while at the same time sadly it does seem our police force are constantly operating with 2 hands tied behind their back for fear of any comeback, we seem to have the intelligence but are shit scared to act on it.... | | | |
| Incident at MEN on 11:20 - May 28 with 1984 views | mikehunt |
Just a thought re keeping tabs on those suspected of plotting: could their names not be published? Or some kind of (Rebecca's ?) Law whereby people could apply to find out if anyone dodgy is living in their midst. If we don't have enough police resources to keep an eye on these types I'm sure local communities would help out. |  |
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| Incident at MEN on 12:55 - May 28 with 1908 views | mingthemerciless |
From what I read the bomber's name was passed on to the police as being a concern on several occasions and yet nothing happened. Anything to do with the 20,000 police officers we've lost since 2009 do you think ? | | | |
| Incident at MEN on 13:03 - May 28 with 1902 views | TipperaryDale |
Correct - the bomber was banned from his local mosque and reported to the police at least four times. He was then allowed to leave the country, fly to Libya, and fly back again - surely suspicious activity from a known extremist? |  | | |
| Incident at MEN on 13:34 - May 28 with 1879 views | SuddenLad |
| Incident at MEN on 12:55 - May 28 by mingthemerciless |
From what I read the bomber's name was passed on to the police as being a concern on several occasions and yet nothing happened. Anything to do with the 20,000 police officers we've lost since 2009 do you think ? |
No. His name was on a list of over 3,000 'people of interest' who were/had been flagged up either by Police or security services. Enquiries had take place into his activities, relationships, contacts etc.. but he was not 'currently' being actively investigated.
The same could apply to any of the other named individuals on that or any other list. These enquiries aren't exclusively investigated by Police. They are only one of many agencies, here and abroad, used to collate information and gather intelligence.
The Brirish authorities are widely regarded as the best in the world when it comes to anti-terrorism investigation. The UK has been at the forefront of this kind of thing for decades. We have been a major world player in the prevention and detection of terrorism here and abroad. The recent attacks in France, Belgium and elsewhere have been successfully concluded, with major iput and intelligence provided by UK Police and Government.
It is a sad fact, that for all the attacks foiled and all those 'rounded-up' and arrested as suspects, only one terrorist has to 'get lucky' to wreak carnage. It will always be the same. |  |
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| Incident at MEN on 19:05 - May 28 with 1730 views | KenBoon |
That's a white supremacist being a racist scumbag towards two women who appeared to be Muslim, and when asked to stop by good citizens, he murdered two of those good people. Terrible, sad, cowardly yes. But it isn't a terrorist attack. It isn't comparable to the attack in Manchester, other than it being sad, tragic and providing further evidence that some people are just evil, independent of their chosen ideology. |  | | |
| Incident at MEN on 20:12 - May 28 with 1676 views | 1mark1 |
Sorry didn't mean to imply that this attack was comparable to the Manchester attack.
Regarding, terrorism, one of the reports I saw, the police were calling it a terrorist attack, however it's sometimes hard to know when such an incident is .
The Oxford English Dictionary says of terrorism,
The unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
‘the fight against terrorism’
‘international terrorism’.
So I suppose if the authorities in USA will determine whether or not they will class it as a domestic terrorist attack.
The rest of what you say is spot on. [Post edited 28 May 2017 20:13]
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| Incident at MEN on 21:14 - May 28 with 1622 views | rochdaleriddler |
| Incident at MEN on 13:34 - May 28 by SuddenLad |
No. His name was on a list of over 3,000 'people of interest' who were/had been flagged up either by Police or security services. Enquiries had take place into his activities, relationships, contacts etc.. but he was not 'currently' being actively investigated.
The same could apply to any of the other named individuals on that or any other list. These enquiries aren't exclusively investigated by Police. They are only one of many agencies, here and abroad, used to collate information and gather intelligence.
The Brirish authorities are widely regarded as the best in the world when it comes to anti-terrorism investigation. The UK has been at the forefront of this kind of thing for decades. We have been a major world player in the prevention and detection of terrorism here and abroad. The recent attacks in France, Belgium and elsewhere have been successfully concluded, with major iput and intelligence provided by UK Police and Government.
It is a sad fact, that for all the attacks foiled and all those 'rounded-up' and arrested as suspects, only one terrorist has to 'get lucky' to wreak carnage. It will always be the same. |
Locals passed his name on several times, the authorities ignored it - culpable |  |
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