| Disgrace 17:31 - Aug 27 with 49769 views | Knowlesy |
Hill's reaction to the fans after our equaliser today is the final straw for me. Dunno if it's still at the point where I'll get slagged off for this but an own goal / straight from the corner / whatever it was does not justify 90 minutes of absolute sludge nor does it make me feel any better about the season ahead. We needed to win today to bring the fans back onside and I've always defended Hill because of what he's done for the club, don't get me wrong we have come a long, long way under his management but for me he can go after his reaction to the fans today.
Turning round and giving it both barrels to the crowd after we've scored because they had a go after sending Logan back into his goal is unacceptable, he had no other thought in his mind after that goal other than getting one over on those paying fans. The first time in my life that I've actually been angrier after we've scored a goal and if a manager can do that then it's not a good show. Looking very grim after that performance. |  | | |  |
| Disgrace on 10:22 - Aug 28 with 3623 views | Daley_Lama |
Thanks for the insight Suddenlad.
Fans gobbed off
Hilly told them where to go
All seems straight forward to me, you stick your hand into a hornets nest, don't whinge if you get stung.
Hurrah for Jamie Allen, he had one that whistled over the bar V Mk, hit the bar yesterday and scored at the death. Stick him at LB Hilly, he's on fire! |  |
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| Disgrace on 10:40 - Aug 28 with 3559 views | 442Dale |
| Disgrace on 10:22 - Aug 28 by Daley_Lama |
Thanks for the insight Suddenlad.
Fans gobbed off
Hilly told them where to go
All seems straight forward to me, you stick your hand into a hornets nest, don't whinge if you get stung.
Hurrah for Jamie Allen, he had one that whistled over the bar V Mk, hit the bar yesterday and scored at the death. Stick him at LB Hilly, he's on fire! |
From what Hill says, it was all on him not to react as he did. The fans are a separate issue. |  |
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| Disgrace on 10:44 - Aug 28 with 3549 views | 11becks11 |
| Disgrace on 10:11 - Aug 28 by SuddenLad |
Why? Does he pronounce it differently ?
There were many instances in the preceding 90 minutes yesterday when profane and foul language was being used by spectators sat in the main stand, a few feet away from those complaining aout Keith Hill.
I was 10 yards away from them and heard every word they exchanged with Keith Hill and indeed everything Keith Hill said to them. I also saw them behaving disgracefully towards club directors and then saw them being escorted away by stewards when they were slow to oderate their own conduct.
I would love to know if they were as keen, or indeed made any effort to report the numerous instances of foul language used by adjacent supporters, prior to the KH incident, or is it only offensive when KH responds to their constant barrage of criticism. Perhaps the 4 year old child cannot hear the foul words uttered by people sitting alongside, and is immune to them, but is somehow more vulnerable when the manager chooses to swear.
Keith Hill has rightly apologised for what he said.
I now await a full apology from those who goaded him into that reaction in the first place and for their subsequent conduct. There were many on both side of the tunnel who were equally appalled at their behaviour as they seem to be about the manager.
Two sides to every story and neither party comes out of it with much credit, though one party has now publicly apologised. |
Myself nor any of my family members I was with were involved in any 'exchanges' and to be honest from where I was sat I did not hear any foul language prior to the incident. There were comments made when Logan tried to go up field for the corner but not swearing...that's why Hillys reaction surprised me. Because I immediately moved away from the area I cannot comment on what was said by fans to the directors. I know that Hillys reaction was to a small minority of the fans but it affected a larger majority of people that had not said a word.
In my opinion no matter how much stick a manager gets, to react in such a manner wasn't right and as I have said Hilly has apologised and I respect that. Me personally have nothing to apologise for I'm just gutted that it happened yesterday and no matter what anyone's opinion is, we are all there to support the team and want to enjoy the matches. It's history now and hopefully it can be put to bed and we can move forward starting with a win at Oxford!! |  | | |
| Disgrace on 14:04 - Aug 28 with 3290 views | TVOS1907 |
| Disgrace on 10:11 - Aug 28 by SuddenLad |
Why? Does he pronounce it differently ?
There were many instances in the preceding 90 minutes yesterday when profane and foul language was being used by spectators sat in the main stand, a few feet away from those complaining aout Keith Hill.
I was 10 yards away from them and heard every word they exchanged with Keith Hill and indeed everything Keith Hill said to them. I also saw them behaving disgracefully towards club directors and then saw them being escorted away by stewards when they were slow to oderate their own conduct.
I would love to know if they were as keen, or indeed made any effort to report the numerous instances of foul language used by adjacent supporters, prior to the KH incident, or is it only offensive when KH responds to their constant barrage of criticism. Perhaps the 4 year old child cannot hear the foul words uttered by people sitting alongside, and is immune to them, but is somehow more vulnerable when the manager chooses to swear.
Keith Hill has rightly apologised for what he said.
I now await a full apology from those who goaded him into that reaction in the first place and for their subsequent conduct. There were many on both side of the tunnel who were equally appalled at their behaviour as they seem to be about the manager.
Two sides to every story and neither party comes out of it with much credit, though one party has now publicly apologised. |
Surely it's incumbent on the professional to act in a professional manner.
It's a good job the match officials have much thicker skin. |  |
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| Disgrace on 15:41 - Aug 28 with 3187 views | SuddenLad |
| Disgrace on 14:04 - Aug 28 by TVOS1907 |
Surely it's incumbent on the professional to act in a professional manner.
It's a good job the match officials have much thicker skin. |
He did do, for 94.5 minutes. He was doing his job as manager when he was subjected to the final volley of verbal nonsense, after he sent Conrad back to his goal. I'm not saying KH was right by responding, but if someone came to your place of work, constantly and unjustifiably goaded you, criticised you and berated you when you are doing your job, sooner or later, you would react.
There is a limit to what is acceptable. Both parties yesterday, were to some extent, at fault. One party for a split second, (for which he has apologised), the other group consistently over a long period of time ( discussed ad nauseam on thee boards) but who only seem to be interested in publicising the misdemeanours of the manager.
Perhaps the club, in the interests of all, should remove the seats from that area altogether, make it a sterile area and re-issue the season tickets for seats elsewhere.
Problem solved. |  |
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| Disgrace on 16:05 - Aug 28 with 3126 views | TVOS1907 |
| Disgrace on 15:41 - Aug 28 by SuddenLad |
He did do, for 94.5 minutes. He was doing his job as manager when he was subjected to the final volley of verbal nonsense, after he sent Conrad back to his goal. I'm not saying KH was right by responding, but if someone came to your place of work, constantly and unjustifiably goaded you, criticised you and berated you when you are doing your job, sooner or later, you would react.
There is a limit to what is acceptable. Both parties yesterday, were to some extent, at fault. One party for a split second, (for which he has apologised), the other group consistently over a long period of time ( discussed ad nauseam on thee boards) but who only seem to be interested in publicising the misdemeanours of the manager.
Perhaps the club, in the interests of all, should remove the seats from that area altogether, make it a sterile area and re-issue the season tickets for seats elsewhere.
Problem solved. |
I'd be interested to know how many people actually engage in this verbal nonsense and what they were saying.
Saying he was 'goaded' suggests deliberate acts, designed to get a response. If that is the case, then who are these people? Aren't they shouted down and challenged by other supporters?
The manager has already tried to get away from them by swapping round the dugouts (and coming up with some spurious reason for doing so). Are we now to deny a large number of fans who enjoy sitting in that area the privilege of doing so because he won't accept criticism from others? Modern football has become too sterile as it is.
I also don't think comparisons with other places of work are relevant, really, unless they involve people shelling out their hard-earned cash to pay to go there. [Post edited 28 Aug 2016 16:29]
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| Disgrace on 16:06 - Aug 28 with 3122 views | TalkingSutty |
| Disgrace on 15:41 - Aug 28 by SuddenLad |
He did do, for 94.5 minutes. He was doing his job as manager when he was subjected to the final volley of verbal nonsense, after he sent Conrad back to his goal. I'm not saying KH was right by responding, but if someone came to your place of work, constantly and unjustifiably goaded you, criticised you and berated you when you are doing your job, sooner or later, you would react.
There is a limit to what is acceptable. Both parties yesterday, were to some extent, at fault. One party for a split second, (for which he has apologised), the other group consistently over a long period of time ( discussed ad nauseam on thee boards) but who only seem to be interested in publicising the misdemeanours of the manager.
Perhaps the club, in the interests of all, should remove the seats from that area altogether, make it a sterile area and re-issue the season tickets for seats elsewhere.
Problem solved. |
If those fans are voicing their displeasure at a poor performance then i think thats perfectly acceptable. Its the manner in which they do it though and if that includes abusive language towards the manager and players then they are out of order.
Hill comes out of this a better man for issuing an apology for his actions, hopefully those fans will also analyse their own behaviour in this shoddy incident.The managers stressed up enough during a game as it is so maybe cut him a bit of slack and think before hurling unnecessary abuse,if thats what actually happened. |  | | |
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| Disgrace on 16:16 - Aug 28 with 3101 views | TVOS1907 |
| Disgrace on 16:06 - Aug 28 by TalkingSutty |
If those fans are voicing their displeasure at a poor performance then i think thats perfectly acceptable. Its the manner in which they do it though and if that includes abusive language towards the manager and players then they are out of order.
Hill comes out of this a better man for issuing an apology for his actions, hopefully those fans will also analyse their own behaviour in this shoddy incident.The managers stressed up enough during a game as it is so maybe cut him a bit of slack and think before hurling unnecessary abuse,if thats what actually happened. |
Your last point is very pertinent to me.
What DID actually happen, what was said and how many people did it involve? One or two? Dozens? Hundreds?
We've been here before where everyone was tarred with the same disconnected brush!
And having seen the goal on TV, I doubt it would have made any difference had Logan been in the area or not given the trajectory of the ball. | |
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| Disgrace on 16:29 - Aug 28 with 3065 views | 442Dale |
Having sat in that stand for seven seasons, there has never been anything so bad on a concerted basis to be called "abuse". Moaners, people who criticise too much? Yes. Continuous abuse that deserves a response? Not that I can recall.
If the manager saw fit to apologise without anything in the way of criticism towards fans (in fact he praised the support yesterday), that's enough evidence for me about how bad things directed towards him may or may not have been. | |
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| Disgrace on 17:12 - Aug 28 with 2993 views | nordenblue |
| Disgrace on 14:04 - Aug 28 by TVOS1907 |
Surely it's incumbent on the professional to act in a professional manner.
It's a good job the match officials have much thicker skin. |
Absolutely,he's employed by the club to act in a professional manner and conduct himself accordingly,it seems he's fallen very short this time,he shouldn't get himself involved in ridiculous arguments with the crowd either way. | | | |
| Disgrace on 17:28 - Aug 28 with 2960 views | R_AFC |
It started from the fans encouraging conrad to go up. As they wanted their team to score and thought we had nothing to lose. Hill disagreed by telling them shut the f*** up, so the fans reacted. Then we scored and made a gesture repeatedly with his arm (no sure what it means), whilst repeatedly shouting F*** off. It wasn't even as though he receiving criticism. |  |
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| Disgrace on 17:53 - Aug 28 with 2889 views | The_Knightowl |
All things considered ........Keith Hill is no different to any of us....regardless of employment ......no different to any of us he is a HUMAN BEING.
In his position as a custodian of what is the worst supported club in the division or indeed the football league, yet has achieved what he has achieved ......he needs to be cut some slack...as don't we all at times?
Who hasn't lost it at times of stress...remember he is a human being and none of us are perfect. All are imperfect with perfect intentions...........and what a big man to show some humility and apologize for his imperfection...how many would not?
Up the Dale !
More than ever UP THE DALE ! | | | |
| Disgrace on 17:54 - Aug 28 with 2886 views | Ninco |
| Disgrace on 17:28 - Aug 28 by R_AFC |
It started from the fans encouraging conrad to go up. As they wanted their team to score and thought we had nothing to lose. Hill disagreed by telling them shut the f*** up, so the fans reacted. Then we scored and made a gesture repeatedly with his arm (no sure what it means), whilst repeatedly shouting F*** off. It wasn't even as though he receiving criticism. |
I think the issue with Logan was just the final straw. Since the start of this season, there have been a couple of vocal fans sat behind Hill who have been constantly slating McNulty and saying that Tanser should be at left back. They were there again yesterday and called McNulty 'useless' a couple of times. I think Hill heard this and the players probably did too. As Hill walked off for half time he gave the fans behind the dugout a right glare and didn't look happy. To be honest, although I agree that Tanser is more suited to left back, the negativity of these fans was getting to me a bit too. I don't mind when it's a couple of times, but there's no need to be negative every time McNulty gets the ball.
They carried on through the second half and I think when the Logan thing happened, it just pushed Hill over the edge and he snapped. Those same couple of fans were arguing with the directors after the game and demanding that Hill be sacked for what he had done. They got moved on by stewards. | | | |
| Disgrace on 18:11 - Aug 28 with 2833 views | dingdangblue |
| Disgrace on 17:28 - Aug 28 by R_AFC |
It started from the fans encouraging conrad to go up. As they wanted their team to score and thought we had nothing to lose. Hill disagreed by telling them shut the f*** up, so the fans reacted. Then we scored and made a gesture repeatedly with his arm (no sure what it means), whilst repeatedly shouting F*** off. It wasn't even as though he receiving criticism. |
It means 'Up Yours' !  |  |
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| Disgrace on 18:14 - Aug 28 with 2818 views | dingdangblue |
| Disgrace on 16:16 - Aug 28 by TVOS1907 |
Your last point is very pertinent to me.
What DID actually happen, what was said and how many people did it involve? One or two? Dozens? Hundreds?
We've been here before where everyone was tarred with the same disconnected brush!
And having seen the goal on TV, I doubt it would have made any difference had Logan been in the area or not given the trajectory of the ball. |
Having seen the goal on tv - Barcham gives Cannon a shove in the back just before he jumps to head it in. | |
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| Disgrace on 18:16 - Aug 28 with 2813 views | TalkingSutty |
| Disgrace on 17:28 - Aug 28 by R_AFC |
It started from the fans encouraging conrad to go up. As they wanted their team to score and thought we had nothing to lose. Hill disagreed by telling them shut the f*** up, so the fans reacted. Then we scored and made a gesture repeatedly with his arm (no sure what it means), whilst repeatedly shouting F*** off. It wasn't even as though he receiving criticism. |
You see, that's a different version of events than what Suddenlad gives. Whoever was responsible for it comes out of it in a bad light. Hilly does think he can manage the supporters though , he always has done and it continually comes back to bite him. Telling fans how to think and how to manage expectations and how they need educating and mentioning Coaching badges etc.
There are a minority of fans who will let Hill tickle their belly because they are frightened about what will happen if he leaves, but most of the fans will call a spade a spade and they say it how they see it. Anyway, there's been loads of spats down the years with Hill and the fans so yesterday was no different really, it's not even news worthy anymore but I feel a bit for the lady and her child. It kicked off a bit between the fans and the manager and Hill showed a bit of class by apologising, that's what football does to you and there was passion all around. Grown men nearly coming to blows over a bag of wind, it's bloody great  | | | |
| Disgrace on 18:19 - Aug 28 with 2805 views | TalkingSutty |
| Disgrace on 17:53 - Aug 28 by The_Knightowl |
All things considered ........Keith Hill is no different to any of us....regardless of employment ......no different to any of us he is a HUMAN BEING.
In his position as a custodian of what is the worst supported club in the division or indeed the football league, yet has achieved what he has achieved ......he needs to be cut some slack...as don't we all at times?
Who hasn't lost it at times of stress...remember he is a human being and none of us are perfect. All are imperfect with perfect intentions...........and what a big man to show some humility and apologize for his imperfection...how many would not?
Up the Dale !
More than ever UP THE DALE ! |
Excellent post, he's nutty as a fruitcake but his abrasive side is the part I like best about him. I think I could actually get on with him come to think about it | | | |
| Disgrace on 18:21 - Aug 28 with 2796 views | TalkingSutty |
| Disgrace on 17:54 - Aug 28 by Ninco |
I think the issue with Logan was just the final straw. Since the start of this season, there have been a couple of vocal fans sat behind Hill who have been constantly slating McNulty and saying that Tanser should be at left back. They were there again yesterday and called McNulty 'useless' a couple of times. I think Hill heard this and the players probably did too. As Hill walked off for half time he gave the fans behind the dugout a right glare and didn't look happy. To be honest, although I agree that Tanser is more suited to left back, the negativity of these fans was getting to me a bit too. I don't mind when it's a couple of times, but there's no need to be negative every time McNulty gets the ball.
They carried on through the second half and I think when the Logan thing happened, it just pushed Hill over the edge and he snapped. Those same couple of fans were arguing with the directors after the game and demanding that Hill be sacked for what he had done. They got moved on by stewards. |
Same version as SL so I'm going with that one. | | | |
| Disgrace on 18:38 - Aug 28 with 2747 views | roccydaleian |
| Disgrace on 18:21 - Aug 28 by TalkingSutty |
Same version as SL so I'm going with that one. |
It's the director telling people to f**k off that gets me. Now that is totally out of order. |  | | |
| Disgrace on 18:45 - Aug 28 with 2734 views | TVOS1907 |
| Disgrace on 18:14 - Aug 28 by dingdangblue |
Having seen the goal on tv - Barcham gives Cannon a shove in the back just before he jumps to head it in. |
I was referring to our goal, but you're right about the shove.
Whelpdale should never have been able to get the cross over in the first place, however. | |
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| Disgrace on 19:12 - Aug 28 with 2656 views | finberty |
| Disgrace on 18:45 - Aug 28 by TVOS1907 |
I was referring to our goal, but you're right about the shove.
Whelpdale should never have been able to get the cross over in the first place, however. |
In that case it was McGahey who was in the LB position and failed to prevent the cross. Other than that I thought McGahey played well.
On the whole Keith thing, I'm glad he still cares enough to show some passion, however ill- judged it turned out to be. Fans don't know everything that goes on. The red-faced Scot from Stretford was forever losing it, but people seemed to love him (or fear him) for it. Why do we think we have to demand anything from Keith?
Who are we to judge?
People in glass houses should not throw stones, someone once said. |  | | |
| Disgrace on 19:14 - Aug 28 with 2650 views | dingdangblue |
| Disgrace on 18:45 - Aug 28 by TVOS1907 |
I was referring to our goal, but you're right about the shove.
Whelpdale should never have been able to get the cross over in the first place, however. |
Its funny when Donal was chasing him after losing the ball initially a few of us were saying 'dont foul him' 'dont foul him' - then after he crossed for the goal we looked at each other laughing 'he should have fouled him'!  | |
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| Disgrace on 19:23 - Aug 28 with 2622 views | TalkingSutty |
| Disgrace on 18:38 - Aug 28 by roccydaleian |
It's the director telling people to f**k off that gets me. Now that is totally out of order. |
Don't know about that, if it's true then we've got real problems. Maybe securing the Stadium makes them think they can treat supporters like that,what happens when they say it to the wrong person though because none of them are in the first flushes of youth. I find it hard to believe the Directors resorted to that sort of behaviour personally but one of them is the guy who stopped the Trust from hosting the Race Night at the Club wasn't that Rawlinson? I hear that he holds the fans in very high regard (not) but I have never had the pleasure of his company yet, heard plenty about him though.
Do you remember that Ashes test series down in Australia when England got absolutely marmarlised? The one that everybody just extinguished from their memory as though it didn't even take place? You probably don't because you don't know one end of a cricket bat from the other, but I digress....that's what we need to do with yesterday's events, just pretend it never happened because nobody covered themselves in any sort of glory apart from those like myself who spent the afternoon being polite to all and sundry😄
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| Disgrace on 19:33 - Aug 28 with 2603 views | olympicdale |
| Disgrace on 20:55 - Aug 27 by 442Dale |
Hill has apologised for his language in the Daleplayer interview, makes mention of the family with children at the game.
Credit to him. Shall we leave today's incident there?
edit: he also said he thought the fans were very supportive and said there were no moans or groans. One of his most impressive interviews I've seen, honest about the way we're playing and accepting of his mistakes. [Post edited 27 Aug 2016 21:01]
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Hope this gets put on YouTube to reach as many fans as possible. I get it that in the heat of the moment, adrenalin takes over, but its no excuse, he isn't a fresh faced manager now, he needs to set an example, and not rise to these morons.
Whatever beef you might have with Hill, the club could do without so called fans such as these, just leave your money at home if all you want to do is bitch, we're all supposedly pulling in the same direction, pointless whining isn't going to gain anything. |  |
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