| Will labour ever get back into power? 10:52 - Dec 23 with 19646 views | mrrockin |
I've been following the recent labour news with amusement and a bit of sadness (yes genuinely) - it's painfully obvious that the tories are going to win an increased majority possibly even a landslide in 2020.
By this point the left of labour will have a stranglehold over labour and this will mean there is no hope for the right of labour which closely mirrors the early 80's with the breakaway of the SDP.
Personally I believe the likes of Denis Healey made a mistake and the moderates should have left on mass to join the SDP and leave the socialists to keep the red flag flying high. Maybe as CB has long argued it is time for a voting change.
I was very skeptical about voting change but I personally thought the coalition largely did a superb job and I was disappointed it didn't continue in many ways. I largely support this Gov but I'm more in the centre so I'd prefer the right wingers to be more restrained which the coalition provided.
My point is that under the present system labour will never recover and it might be time for a realignment to take place in British politics.
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| Will labour ever get back into power? on 18:48 - Dec 24 with 1829 views | longlostjack |
| Will labour ever get back into power? on 18:36 - Dec 24 by mrrockin |
I will respond to you after festivities, I don't think you've completely understood what I'm getting at I know we have a productivity problem but that's a long-term problem. |
Have a good one ! |  |
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| Will labour ever get back into power? on 18:57 - Dec 24 with 1822 views | skippyjack |
| Will labour ever get back into power? on 18:15 - Dec 24 by mrrockin |
Absolutely correct, it's a long term issue in relation to education.
The Blair mantra of 50% going to University was ridiculous we should have been ploughing money into building up our skills base which actually is improving again thanks to the coalition with millions of apprenticeships now.
We do need to re-balance, we do need to focus more on the long-term but we're not a basket case as many would like to paint it. We need subtle changes in policy and better focus in procurement. The New labour years were wasted years, but as usual people return to type and blame the tories. |
They have actually drafted me into education.. ME!.. I was happy with a job in Tesco.. but because youngsters are dull c*nts.. i'll have to read pages and pages of sh*t for years on end.. to spout it out to the on coming youngsters.
Desperate times when they draft in a bottom class secondary school reject.. with no GCSEs to his name |  |
| The awkward moment when a Welsh Club become the Champions of England.. shh
The Swansea Way.. To upset the odds. | | Poll: | Best Swans Player |
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| Will labour ever get back into power? on 10:32 - Dec 25 with 1765 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Will labour ever get back into power? on 18:57 - Dec 24 by skippyjack |
They have actually drafted me into education.. ME!.. I was happy with a job in Tesco.. but because youngsters are dull c*nts.. i'll have to read pages and pages of sh*t for years on end.. to spout it out to the on coming youngsters.
Desperate times when they draft in a bottom class secondary school reject.. with no GCSEs to his name |
That's Cameron and Osborne's Britain or you. You need to vote Corbyn |  |
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| Will labour ever get back into power? on 10:27 - Dec 27 with 1703 views | trampie |
| Will labour ever get back into power? on 16:37 - Dec 24 by mrrockin |
Would you rather have more money, or less so that rich people had less? |
Less money with better services, with wealth being shared around and distributed more equally. |  |
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| Will labour ever get back into power? on 10:32 - Dec 27 with 1697 views | trampie |
| Will labour ever get back into power? on 16:40 - Dec 24 by mrrockin |
People keep trotting out this line that basically all the jobs are of poor quality, yet the stats don't back that up most are FT. As this thread exemplifies we just love to moan in this Country. I think some will only believe a proper job is bashing metal together, that's the reality. |
There are millions and millions classed as being in poverty in this country and most of them are in work, 'in work poverty' because of low pay and zero hour contracts. | |
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| Will labour ever get back into power? on 13:31 - Dec 28 with 1654 views | mrrockin |
| Will labour ever get back into power? on 10:27 - Dec 27 by trampie |
Less money with better services, with wealth being shared around and distributed more equally. |
The top 1% pay 30% of all tax revenue into the system, when we taxed the rich till the pips squeak it was around 17%.
Just a thought. | | | |
| Will labour ever get back into power? on 14:22 - Dec 28 with 1639 views | trampie |
| Will labour ever get back into power? on 13:31 - Dec 28 by mrrockin |
The top 1% pay 30% of all tax revenue into the system, when we taxed the rich till the pips squeak it was around 17%.
Just a thought. |
The top 1% earn about 50% of the total taxable income, so only paying about 30% when they earn about 50% could be said to be a good deal.
Just a thought. | |
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| Will labour ever get back into power? on 14:30 - Dec 28 with 1627 views | Highjack |
| Will labour ever get back into power? on 10:32 - Dec 27 by trampie |
There are millions and millions classed as being in poverty in this country and most of them are in work, 'in work poverty' because of low pay and zero hour contracts. |
They might be classed as being in poverty but they are not in poverty.
Visit Rwanda sometime. |  |
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| Will labour ever get back into power? on 14:34 - Dec 28 with 1620 views | trampie |
| Will labour ever get back into power? on 14:30 - Dec 28 by Highjack |
They might be classed as being in poverty but they are not in poverty.
Visit Rwanda sometime. |
I hear some inner city parts of England is like Rwanda.  | |
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| Will labour ever get back into power? on 14:42 - Dec 28 with 1616 views | perchrockjack |
To describe people in this island of living in poverty insults those worldwide who struggle to get through the day with no resources , no health service to abuse ,nor any wifi issues. Therefore please took off all these misusing this poverty word.
If this generation is, then quite what our ancestors went through beggars belief. | |
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| Will labour ever get back into power? on 14:46 - Dec 28 with 1612 views | trampie |
London and Liverpool were known for their slums. | |
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| Will labour ever get back into power? on 14:47 - Dec 28 with 1609 views | Highjack |
| Will labour ever get back into power? on 14:34 - Dec 28 by trampie |
I hear some inner city parts of England is like Rwanda. |
No it isn't and you know it. | |
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| Will labour ever get back into power? on 14:58 - Dec 28 with 1595 views | trampie |
| Will labour ever get back into power? on 14:47 - Dec 28 by Highjack |
No it isn't and you know it. |
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| Will labour ever get back into power? on 11:01 - Dec 29 with 1548 views | waynekerr55 |
| Will labour ever get back into power? on 14:34 - Dec 28 by trampie |
I hear some inner city parts of England is like Rwanda. |
Is like Rwanda, or are like Rwanda? |  |
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| Will labour ever get back into power? on 11:18 - Dec 29 with 1535 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Will labour ever get back into power? on 14:30 - Dec 28 by Highjack |
They might be classed as being in poverty but they are not in poverty.
Visit Rwanda sometime. |
Our politicians don't have any jurisdiction over Rwanda. That will be grinning warlords waving charity money around.
Best stick to the thread subject as its only poverty relative to the wealth gap in the UK and the political parties that control that gap that it concerns. [Post edited 29 Dec 2015 11:20]
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| Will labour ever get back into power? on 11:31 - Dec 29 with 1525 views | controversial_jack |
The gap between rich and poor is greater now than at any time in history. We have trickle up and not trickle down | | | |
| Will labour ever get back into power? on 12:05 - Dec 29 with 1510 views | mrrockin |
| Will labour ever get back into power? on 14:22 - Dec 28 by trampie |
The top 1% earn about 50% of the total taxable income, so only paying about 30% when they earn about 50% could be said to be a good deal.
Just a thought. |
If I take your figures are right then I'm assuming you've taken into account Corporation Tax - do you seriously advocate dramatically increasing this? Is that the Plaid vision for Wales? Do you believe a high tax, high welfare economy is feasible for an independent Wales? [Post edited 29 Dec 2015 12:11]
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| Will labour ever get back into power? on 12:16 - Dec 29 with 1501 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Will labour ever get back into power? on 11:31 - Dec 29 by controversial_jack |
The gap between rich and poor is greater now than at any time in history. We have trickle up and not trickle down |
That doesn't matter because the Rwandans are far worse off than we are mun .........................
That's the Tory line right now , "be grateful for what you've got you miserable prols" | |
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| Will labour ever get back into power? on 12:24 - Dec 29 with 1498 views | mrrockin |
| Will labour ever get back into power? on 12:16 - Dec 29 by Brynmill_Jack |
That doesn't matter because the Rwandans are far worse off than we are mun .........................
That's the Tory line right now , "be grateful for what you've got you miserable prols" |
What do you want the Gov to do exactly? Give you free money? | | | |
| Will labour ever get back into power? on 12:46 - Dec 29 with 1480 views | controversial_jack |
| Will labour ever get back into power? on 12:16 - Dec 29 by Brynmill_Jack |
That doesn't matter because the Rwandans are far worse off than we are mun .........................
That's the Tory line right now , "be grateful for what you've got you miserable prols" |
" Please sir, I want some more?" | | | |
| Will labour ever get back into power? on 12:51 - Dec 29 with 1475 views | mrrockin |
| Will labour ever get back into power? on 12:46 - Dec 29 by controversial_jack |
" Please sir, I want some more?" |
The socialist mentality, instead of a hand up a hand out. | | | |
| Will labour ever get back into power? on 12:52 - Dec 29 with 1473 views | trampie |
| Will labour ever get back into power? on 12:05 - Dec 29 by mrrockin |
If I take your figures are right then I'm assuming you've taken into account Corporation Tax - do you seriously advocate dramatically increasing this? Is that the Plaid vision for Wales? Do you believe a high tax, high welfare economy is feasible for an independent Wales? [Post edited 29 Dec 2015 12:11]
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I heard at the last GE that Plaid were looking to introduce zero business rates for over 70,000 Welsh companies and that another 83,000 would be on reduced rates.
Personnel taxation and corporation tax are two different things, tax people a fair whack that can afford to pay and lightly tax small companies to encourage them to set up and employ people and hopefully make a profit. | |
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| Will labour ever get back into power? on 12:55 - Dec 29 with 1470 views | mrrockin |
| Will labour ever get back into power? on 12:52 - Dec 29 by trampie |
I heard at the last GE that Plaid were looking to introduce zero business rates for over 70,000 Welsh companies and that another 83,000 would be on reduced rates.
Personnel taxation and corporation tax are two different things, tax people a fair whack that can afford to pay and lightly tax small companies to encourage them to set up and employ people and hopefully make a profit. |
What is a fair whack in your eyes?
BTW that plaid policy would break EU law, I can see that straight away. Dear me. | | | |
| Will labour ever get back into power? on 13:08 - Dec 29 with 1457 views | Highjack |
| Will labour ever get back into power? on 12:16 - Dec 29 by Brynmill_Jack |
That doesn't matter because the Rwandans are far worse off than we are mun .........................
That's the Tory line right now , "be grateful for what you've got you miserable prols" |
Yes I'm grateful for what I've got and there's nothing wrong with that. I've got a nice warm safe house and I have a nice comfortable life in good health and happiness. I go skiing every year and i have cash on the hip if I want to treat myself. Meanwhile, 50% of all humans that have ever lived have died horrific, painful deaths from malaria.
Things can always be improved but it's certainly not a Tory thing to be grateful for what you have because life and health is always bigger than petty politics. | |
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| Will labour ever get back into power? on 13:12 - Dec 29 with 1454 views | trampie |
| Will labour ever get back into power? on 12:55 - Dec 29 by mrrockin |
What is a fair whack in your eyes?
BTW that plaid policy would break EU law, I can see that straight away. Dear me. |
Increasing business rate relief for small businesses would not be breaking EU law ?
50p in the pound for those earning over 150k sounds reasonable. | |
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