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The idea that the far right is shorthand for working class is such utter brain dead drivel. I spent most of my childhood in bevois valley/st Mary’s and went to school on the flower roads and most of my mates and me despise the far right.
As for the rioters a hell of a lot of them are far right, it’s just a fact. If you’re burning down communities and attack places of worship or police because of a perceived “threat” of foreigners you can’t really be called anything else.
Besides what is the actual point of these protests? Usually it’s protesting a thing, but the Southport murders had nothing to do with immigration, the bloke was caught and will mostly likely get a full life sentence, so what’s to protest? That the time to court is too long?
No reason to doubt you mush, my knowledge is about five years old when I was doing work on a project focused on gerontology and more specifically blue zones, so not a surprise I didn’t remember right
It's an incredibly complicated and incredibly nuanced problem that needs a response that matches that, unfortunately our media makes it's money by the exact opposite, simple click bait headlines that drive traffic and enrage people so they keep coming back and ad revenue can go up.
It's like the housing problem, we actually need house prices to fall so more people can afford to live/spend less of their money on living expenses so they can spend more in other parts of the economy.
But so much soft capital and paper value - especially for older people - is tied up in house value it gives no incentive at all to anyone to force the prices to come down.
Likewise immigration is incredibly complex, we clearly and obviously need it, for many reasons (certain jobs/skils & economy being the most obvious), but there does also need to be an open conversation on what that means for the country. Immigration does have positives, but there are negatives too, cultural behaviours that don't fit (polish people street drinking is an example) and i do think it's important that people learn the language of the country they're in too or you end up with ghettos like the british migrants have in spain.
But again neither side is likely to have that conversation because it's difficult, so we end up one side saying "you hate forens you're racist" and the other side saying "you support child killers", neiter of which is of any help at all.
Anyway f*ck knows what the solution is, i'm just a pisshead who enjoys football, than god i don't have to sort this b*llocks out
We can learn a lot from Japan with aging population's, they've been through a lot of it already and arguably to a much deeper extent too (their population is actually now actively shrinking).
Interestingly part of their response was actually to shrink their own economy by investing more in public services and not care as much about the market.
One really interesting thing Japan did is actually to encourage more women into the workplace (and more women to be in higher positions) to replace the men that had effectively left/died off from the workforce.
I'd be fascinated to see how that would work for us as the tactics would probably be called "woke" and shouted at by the media
More worryingly they were also forced to raise their retirement age to 77 as their strict immigration policy meant they couldn't have a balance in the money needed to support those retiring.
it's because of the aging population mush, population my seem to be increasing now but 50 years down the line will be significantly smaller due to the older population dying off.
Also alongside that we have a much higher proportion of people coming up to retirement age than ever before, and that means we need more money coming into the tax coffers to cover all the things that are needed to support that group (plus of course that group will no longer be paying in themselves to the same extent).
Combine that with the fact that the average age is rising and it means as a nation we're going to have real problems if we can't encourage both more children in the population here now, and also more immigration of younger people.
It's a problem that's happening across most developed nations too so we're definitely not alone in it
there's some really interesting reports on it if you're that way inclined (i tend to be but know not everyone is) and it's pretty eye opening to see the challenges we're going to have in the future
Need to scan the rest of the uglies and OTM i have at some point but these are the first three sets of Ins and Outs i got scanned, funny how many ring true today to be fair
We certainly need to increase the population if any of us want a pension tbf, especially as the birth rate is falling just at the time that the population gets older.
was about 500 or so tickets lost with block one being shut, think they increased the netting into the away end too so that probably accounted for a fair bit of the rest.
Also does a sell out include the away tickets? There's definitely been times the club call something a sell out, but the away end has gaps
Ah the end of course! Knew it was one of the End of Face. I genuinely think it's a real shame paper fanzines barely exist these days, they offered a real alternative to culture at the time and were a big part in making Terrace Culture (with it's links to fashion, music etc,) a thing.
I guess you could argue that today's version is social media, but so much of that is completely homogenous and lacks the alternative edge fanzine and terrace culture had, one that actually challenged the clubs and the status quo
I used to love the ins and outs in the paper fanzine, always made me laugh even when half of them were clearly in jokes.
Didn’t the whole thing start in the face magazine or is that age playing tricks on my mind?
And mine for August are
IN Aampshire becoming money bags Top boy (rip) Sebago deck shoes Weddings where it doesn’t rain Renewing the network rail card Missing an early game due to holidays Turkish Olympic shooters Proper old fashioned terraces Trants scaffold scam Getting too much sun by the river in Oxford
OUT Being able to sleep in heatwaves Adidas trainers The hundred (county all the way) Missing early games due to train strikes “Safe” standing Stats nerds Getting too much sun falling asleep on the common
Edit to say I’ve got some of the originals scanned I’ll try and put them in this thread in the morning
In honour of the old paper ugly here’s my ins and outs
INS drinks by the river Inspector morse Honouring Top Boy Three sided grounds The day out not the game Calling pat a c*nt Tyler dibling Knightrider The grassy nowl
OUTS missing every connection home and getting back at 1am The traffic in Oxford People taking friendlies too seriously The angry steward John nettles Jackie ducking Beer split on my new shoes
i'm going, primarily to tick the ground off as i've never been, to be honest i doubt i'll make the full game as i'm going by rattler and i generally hate pre-season friendlies (my rule is i'll only do them if it's a new ground)
Looking forward to some drinks in town early doors though, some cracking pubs in oxford
Kate bush would be a laugh to be fair, mainly cause i don't think anyone would be able to hit a note from her songs, maybe it's also time to mine the vein of 70's/80's soul music?
I've always wanted us to sign Ryan Sessegnon so I can adapt Chaka Khan's papillon (sweet butterfly) for the terraces
Ryan Sessegnon When he was very young, He'd f*cking fly Down the Saints left hand side (yeah)
It is, plus these days over using the word "scummer" is mandatory too (plus of course using a song someone else has already used but shoehorning the name in even if it doesn't fit)
I"m 100% expecting the app based tickets to not work at the turnstiles, given the form of the club with new ticketing systems it seems like it's nailed on it'll fail for the first game
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