| Marti's remarks on the ref 20:10 - Jan 25 with 5552 views | stainrods_elbow |
'Refereeing should be about protecting the game as well, when there is one team that is trying to be proactive and one that is reactive, and is constantly stopping. Credit to them, they do it really well, and were clinical, but it seems today there were some situations that could have been reffed in a different way.'
From the BBC report.
Interesting, as he often likes to remind us (and did so again today to the WLS) that referees have a hard job and he never likes to criticise them. The ref was certainly too lenient with his cards for me, while seeming in a world of his own at other times, like that bizarre goal kick/free kick fiasco, but the main issues were (i) our not playing quickly or effectively enough in the final third (which is down to playing Varane and Field together, and Chair still clearly not quite himself), (ii) Frey being too isolated/lacking service (and also off it), and (iii) Wednesday's persistent fouling, disruptiveness and gamesmanship with players going down in the second half who are clearly in perfect health. Unfortunately, that's the modern game, and just about everyone does it, and I don't necessarily see how the ref could have had that much more of an impact on it than he did.
Like a few others, I'm actually not too dispirited because I do think the underlying trend has clearly been consistently and impressively upwards, but I'd be more interested, when Marti talks about learning from a game, what he's learning, and, you know, maybe telling us once in a while. We're fans, and we'd like to know. Is he happy with the creativity in midfield? How does he account for the fact that our centre forward hardly touched the ball today, and how is he planning to addressing it? Why do our dead ball deliveries/free kick routines not seem to be improving? It would help if people whose job it is to ask interesting/challenging questions did so once in a while. [Post edited 25 Jan 20:14]
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| Marti's remarks on the ref on 21:28 - Jan 26 with 1471 views | GaryHaddock |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 20:46 - Jan 25 by Padulas_Shampoo |
Yeah why doesn’t he give us a 90 minute breakdown of everything he’s learned and next week’s game plan, broadcast for all to see on YouTube.
Whilst we’re at it, he’s been here well over a year now and he still hasn’t told us what he has on his toast nor how long his member is. Does he ever have a middle of the night sit down wee? Does he use hair wax or cheap supermarket hair gel? What’s the point in him demanding to do all the press before and after games if he’s not going to tell all? We are fans after all.
Screw the good football, progress and 12 points in 15. Get him out. |
Did he not tell you? He sent me a photo. |  | | |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 22:45 - Jan 26 with 1309 views | silverbirch |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 19:11 - Jan 26 by stowmarketrange |
He lost his rag at one of their defenders at ft.He confronted one of them about the treatment he’d received from them I guess.He had to be dragged away by one of our players and one of theirs.
It quickly ended though. |
Thanks. Sounds like Wednesday ‘old manned’ us into losing that game. Hopefully old man Bannon isn’t around for much longer. [Post edited 27 Jan 9:45]
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| Marti's remarks on the ref on 23:36 - Jan 26 with 1247 views | NorthLondonR |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 20:46 - Jan 25 by stainrods_elbow |
Varane showed us with that superb strike in our latest FA cup surrender that he can step up and be an attacking threat, but he needs to become a lot more positive in his passing and decisive in his forward thinking. If he can't be coached to, or doesn't have the ability, him and Field together in midfield is too much (or if you prefer not enough) if we want to create and progress. Hopefully, Marti is learning this. |
Hate him or merely loathe him, Bannon was the difference yesterday, first instinct whether there's a player 2, 20 or 50 yards away is to find them, and it doesn't matter if they're left right or right in front of the little sh!t, not comparing (because there is no comparison) but that's the Wilkins mentality and style. |  | | |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 23:49 - Jan 26 with 1218 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 23:36 - Jan 26 by NorthLondonR |
Hate him or merely loathe him, Bannon was the difference yesterday, first instinct whether there's a player 2, 20 or 50 yards away is to find them, and it doesn't matter if they're left right or right in front of the little sh!t, not comparing (because there is no comparison) but that's the Wilkins mentality and style. |
Agreed! We've no one in our midfield who even comes close right now, and Chair may or may not get back to where he was. We need a maestro! | |
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| Marti's remarks on the ref on 13:51 - Jan 27 with 1048 views | francisbowles |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 16:07 - Jan 26 by richpr |
Can’t see the reason for this post. No contentious issues yesterday - ref was ok except for getting conned a couple of times (usually by Smyth). No nasty tackles, no outrageous time wasting. Sheffield W we’re just that little bit stronger physically and tactics-wise on the day. |
Really? You must have been watching a different game to the one at which Marti was in the technical area. | | | |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 15:12 - Jan 27 with 977 views | richpr |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 13:51 - Jan 27 by francisbowles |
Really? You must have been watching a different game to the one at which Marti was in the technical area. |
No, I was watching the same game. Dont recall any major blunders by the ref that had any material affect on the game. I also don't recall any Preston / Pearson style time wasting that he failed to act upon. All refs make mistakes but that ref was definitely far from the worst.
I guess you need someone to blame for losing | | | |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 15:56 - Jan 27 with 915 views | nix |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 15:12 - Jan 27 by richpr |
No, I was watching the same game. Dont recall any major blunders by the ref that had any material affect on the game. I also don't recall any Preston / Pearson style time wasting that he failed to act upon. All refs make mistakes but that ref was definitely far from the worst.
I guess you need someone to blame for losing |
It's the bookings that make the difference as per Clive's report. Ref books our player then doesn't book theirs for a similar offence they can take more risk to tackle or deliberately pull back because they haven't already been booked..
There comes a point where the ref loses control of the match as happened midway through the second half where both sides just fouled each other. I didn't think he had authority over the game which affects the match win or lose. |  | | |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 09:41 - Jan 28 with 683 views | welwynranger |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 20:46 - Jan 25 by Padulas_Shampoo |
Yeah why doesn’t he give us a 90 minute breakdown of everything he’s learned and next week’s game plan, broadcast for all to see on YouTube.
Whilst we’re at it, he’s been here well over a year now and he still hasn’t told us what he has on his toast nor how long his member is. Does he ever have a middle of the night sit down wee? Does he use hair wax or cheap supermarket hair gel? What’s the point in him demanding to do all the press before and after games if he’s not going to tell all? We are fans after all.
Screw the good football, progress and 12 points in 15. Get him out. |
Has he told us his favourite Cheese? | | | |
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| Marti's remarks on the ref on 09:51 - Jan 28 with 657 views | francisbowles |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 15:12 - Jan 27 by richpr |
No, I was watching the same game. Dont recall any major blunders by the ref that had any material affect on the game. I also don't recall any Preston / Pearson style time wasting that he failed to act upon. All refs make mistakes but that ref was definitely far from the worst.
I guess you need someone to blame for losing |
I wasn't blaming him for losing and pleased don't say that I did, in order to become more entrenched in your statement. SW were the better team and deserved their win.
However, as virtually everybody on here and Marti (except you), think he allowed excessive fouling, missed several yellow cards, delivered plenty of time delaying chat, allowed players and staff to stroll on and off the pitch in their own time and did nothing to hurry up play anytime it had stopped for a goal kick, throw etc.
If you missed all of that, then I don't know what else to say. | | | |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 11:52 - Jan 28 with 570 views | richpr |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 09:51 - Jan 28 by francisbowles |
I wasn't blaming him for losing and pleased don't say that I did, in order to become more entrenched in your statement. SW were the better team and deserved their win.
However, as virtually everybody on here and Marti (except you), think he allowed excessive fouling, missed several yellow cards, delivered plenty of time delaying chat, allowed players and staff to stroll on and off the pitch in their own time and did nothing to hurry up play anytime it had stopped for a goal kick, throw etc.
If you missed all of that, then I don't know what else to say. |
I am sorry but I just don't agree with you. The dark arts of throwing yourself to the floor, time wasting, faking injury, keeper going down to have a tactical chat etc. etc. were just not that prevelent in the game v Sheff W.
As much as I like Smyth as a player, it is usually 50/50 as to whether he is actually fouled or he throws himself to the ground. It makes it difficult for the referee to book the players when 3 times before he has dived. I suspect, but am only guessing,that most of the bookings that you believe should have been given to Sheff W were for fouls on Smyth.
I hate all these tactics at attempting to con referees. Sadly we do it just like most other teams. I am just trying to make the point that the refereeing of this match was no better or worse than other matches and there was no need to call out the ref in this instance. I apologise for saying that you were blaming the ref for losing. You clearly weren't | | | |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 12:21 - Jan 28 with 500 views | nix |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 11:52 - Jan 28 by richpr |
I am sorry but I just don't agree with you. The dark arts of throwing yourself to the floor, time wasting, faking injury, keeper going down to have a tactical chat etc. etc. were just not that prevelent in the game v Sheff W.
As much as I like Smyth as a player, it is usually 50/50 as to whether he is actually fouled or he throws himself to the ground. It makes it difficult for the referee to book the players when 3 times before he has dived. I suspect, but am only guessing,that most of the bookings that you believe should have been given to Sheff W were for fouls on Smyth.
I hate all these tactics at attempting to con referees. Sadly we do it just like most other teams. I am just trying to make the point that the refereeing of this match was no better or worse than other matches and there was no need to call out the ref in this instance. I apologise for saying that you were blaming the ref for losing. You clearly weren't |
I'm surprised you're holding that line when at one point Paterson blatantly pushes Chair off the ball, then Chair and him get in a tussle for the ball with admittedly some shoving and Paterson goes down clutching his face which was not remotely touched. Guess who got booked?
Are you actually saying that players shouldn't get booked for an obvious foul in a dangerous area because the person they foul sometimes dives? If so that's absurd. It's either FK or it isn't, a cardable offence or it isn't and that shouldn't change depending on which team fouls, who moans the most or who is better at conning the ref.
They deserved to win but the referee was inconsistent and weak and I thought that well before they scored. | | | |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 12:31 - Jan 28 with 473 views | francisbowles |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 11:52 - Jan 28 by richpr |
I am sorry but I just don't agree with you. The dark arts of throwing yourself to the floor, time wasting, faking injury, keeper going down to have a tactical chat etc. etc. were just not that prevelent in the game v Sheff W.
As much as I like Smyth as a player, it is usually 50/50 as to whether he is actually fouled or he throws himself to the ground. It makes it difficult for the referee to book the players when 3 times before he has dived. I suspect, but am only guessing,that most of the bookings that you believe should have been given to Sheff W were for fouls on Smyth.
I hate all these tactics at attempting to con referees. Sadly we do it just like most other teams. I am just trying to make the point that the refereeing of this match was no better or worse than other matches and there was no need to call out the ref in this instance. I apologise for saying that you were blaming the ref for losing. You clearly weren't |
Thank you for accepting that I didn't blame the defeat on the ref.
Well he gave a free kick for a foul on Smyth, on the edge of the box. So I thought that warranted a yellow.
Then there was the foul on Field.
There was repeated fouling by Wednesday, I can't remember all the incidents or who was involved, yet they only got one yellow.
I agree I've seen worse time wasting and referees.. Nevertheless, there was a fair bit and he failed to act. | | | |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 12:39 - Jan 28 with 452 views | richpr |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 12:21 - Jan 28 by nix |
I'm surprised you're holding that line when at one point Paterson blatantly pushes Chair off the ball, then Chair and him get in a tussle for the ball with admittedly some shoving and Paterson goes down clutching his face which was not remotely touched. Guess who got booked?
Are you actually saying that players shouldn't get booked for an obvious foul in a dangerous area because the person they foul sometimes dives? If so that's absurd. It's either FK or it isn't, a cardable offence or it isn't and that shouldn't change depending on which team fouls, who moans the most or who is better at conning the ref.
They deserved to win but the referee was inconsistent and weak and I thought that well before they scored. |
Wish it was as cut and dried as that. Of course the referee is influenced if a player keeps going to ground too easily. Refs can't see everything from every angle and are going to make some incorrect judgements but I still don't recall the game getting out of control. I don't recall any "not fit to referee" chanting but maybe I had my hearing aid switched off. | | | |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 13:45 - Jan 28 with 369 views | nix |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 12:39 - Jan 28 by richpr |
Wish it was as cut and dried as that. Of course the referee is influenced if a player keeps going to ground too easily. Refs can't see everything from every angle and are going to make some incorrect judgements but I still don't recall the game getting out of control. I don't recall any "not fit to referee" chanting but maybe I had my hearing aid switched off. |
If he thinks a player goes to ground too easily then it's not a freekick. If the ref believed it was a FK in that position running into the area then it's a booking. I'd say that even when it was a QPR defender.
Rare that Chair retaliates or Dunne gets into fisticuffs It always happens when a ref doesn't have full control.
He was poor and Wednesday took full advantage. | | | |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 13:58 - Jan 28 with 338 views | stowmarketrange |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 12:39 - Jan 28 by richpr |
Wish it was as cut and dried as that. Of course the referee is influenced if a player keeps going to ground too easily. Refs can't see everything from every angle and are going to make some incorrect judgements but I still don't recall the game getting out of control. I don't recall any "not fit to referee" chanting but maybe I had my hearing aid switched off. |
Both sets of fans were singing it at various stages of the game,but Wednesday fans were the first offenders. |  | | |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 14:04 - Jan 28 with 320 views | richpr |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 13:58 - Jan 28 by stowmarketrange |
Both sets of fans were singing it at various stages of the game,but Wednesday fans were the first offenders. |
OK, I give in. Shite ref and I am deaf. Over and out | | | |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 14:20 - Jan 28 with 287 views | stowmarketrange |
| Marti's remarks on the ref on 14:04 - Jan 28 by richpr |
OK, I give in. Shite ref and I am deaf. Over and out |
Pardon? | | | |
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