| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 14:38 - Oct 9 with 3199 views | LordPork |
Like others on here I can relate to the 60's and 70's teams.
Truly I guess a life long supporter.
In and out of my life Rangers would appear, not so much when first married but there for us a family when my son was 10-12 to jointly attend. The "why did you get me to support a crap team like us" when we'd got tonked 3-0 at home or similar was prefaced by that "Dad chat" where you explain an Arsenal/Man U victory is an expected result and nothing too much to celebrate whereas with us....party time !
As you years role by you drop in and out of attending, kids come in the way but you still go, grand kids come in the way but you still go, sometimes ST season's sometimes not.
I hope it's not an "age thing" but the chance of a Watford ticket was declined ( thankfully ). How I remember Terry V complaining about the "slope" at Vicarage Raod. The total ribbing I got from Watty supporting mates, even Francis being called up the the England squad was ridiculed. My visits in the early years, mid 60's with mates meant I probably spent more time seeing Watford than Rrr's. Hence the fixture means a awful lot, so to turn the chance down with all that history means a lot.
Somehow it didn't sit right. I was there in the family stand when Danni S had gone to Watford and we were 3-0 down in 20 mins or so, Gavin A was standing just ahead of me. "why aren't you playing?" having scored twice I think the week before. Holloway was in charge at the time and he just shrugged his shoulders.....yes. I remember it well.
But maybe the years have made me more circumspect as to how I spend my money and my time, as a result I declined the Watford ticket and, advised my host that I'd be declining further attendances. Sadly I think I'd run my course. Nearly 70 years and I'm done. Goals like the Blackburn 4th is not what you go and watch your team for. I can see goals like that, with more spirit, here, and watch Leighton Buzzard FC play.
Yes, it's got that bad. The non decision to flip flop on ground development, the investment planning, planning strategy, board appointments coupled to team management appointments, I can see no thread, no DNA, no structure no sense and no reasoning. It's sad it really is, and I know FFP is crucifying us and I know Fernandes is really all to blame but hey ho, I was there riding that wave so should I really complain.
And there in lies the guilt, will I really give it all up? Do you know, I think I will. Unless there's a radical change at the top I'm done. I can spend my sixpence in much better endeavours.....
adios amigo's.....and I wish you good luck. |  | |  |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 16:07 - Oct 9 with 2937 views | BklynRanger |
I'm not one to bay for blood, usually, but for Amit to be instagramming like that over the weekend, and for us now to be well into Monday afternoon with not even a hint of anything being done, is absolutely damning. |  | | |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 16:42 - Oct 9 with 2825 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 16:07 - Oct 9 by BklynRanger |
I'm not one to bay for blood, usually, but for Amit to be instagramming like that over the weekend, and for us now to be well into Monday afternoon with not even a hint of anything being done, is absolutely damning. |
Agree about Amit, not about the rest. If it is happening, firstly, there is an international break coming, so it's not like it needs to be done NOW (but of course asap), secondly, all kinds of legal stuff would need sorting, thirdly, they need to see if they can afford someone else and who it might be. It's been less than 48 hours.
However, by the end of tomorrow if it's radio silence, yes, I'll be concerned. |  |
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| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 16:42 - Oct 9 with 2818 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 16:07 - Oct 9 by BklynRanger |
I'm not one to bay for blood, usually, but for Amit to be instagramming like that over the weekend, and for us now to be well into Monday afternoon with not even a hint of anything being done, is absolutely damning. |
Almost give the impression that they have washed their hands of the club. | | | |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 16:51 - Oct 9 with 2758 views | BklynRanger |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 16:42 - Oct 9 by Antti_Heinola |
Agree about Amit, not about the rest. If it is happening, firstly, there is an international break coming, so it's not like it needs to be done NOW (but of course asap), secondly, all kinds of legal stuff would need sorting, thirdly, they need to see if they can afford someone else and who it might be. It's been less than 48 hours.
However, by the end of tomorrow if it's radio silence, yes, I'll be concerned. |
Most of that relates to who they can get to take over so no argument there, but they could sack the fool right now and then get on with all that. | | | |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 17:00 - Oct 9 with 2719 views | Philothesuperhoop |
Great report thanks Clive.
We kind of knew that the defence was going to be a disaster area when we saw the team news in the pub...and it lived down to expectations!
However (you mention it a bit), the total lack of game plan was probably the more worrying thing for me. Kicking long just doesn't work and we are now perstisting with it even more than a few weeks ago.
Sinclair Armstrong doesn't win headers and in fact rarely jumps. Dykes wins 50% of the headers he goes for but to almost no effect whatsoever. Surely Sinclair Armstrong should be told to stay onside - stand within striking distance of Dykes - and then time a run to pick up the flick ons (hopefully in a pre agreed direction!?). But none of that common sense was on show.
Plus Begovic's kicking is pretty poor so he rarely finds his man.
The outcome of all of this rubbish is that the ball comes straight back to us....constantly. To a defence that can't defend!
I sit in the front of P Block in the upper loft so I could see the amount of times Jake Clark Salter had the ball at his feet and was screaming for anyone anywhere to show for it. They never did....so he kicked it long and we lost it, or he gave it back to the keeper to kick long.
It was simply the most depressing thing I've watched in ages.
I never want a manager to leave (I was telling everyone to be careful what they wished for when they wanted Warburton out) and I never boo - but to my shame I was screaming at the team and booing by the end AND I have to say that this can't go on. I don't think our fully fit first 11 are a team from the bottom three, but they are playing like this. |  | | |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 17:00 - Oct 9 with 2719 views | Jevlar |
Great write up, Clive. Don’t know how you (continually) do it.
Despite having a season ticket, if GA is still in charge for the next home game, I’ll be giving it a miss. My blood pressure will be appreciative, at least… |  | | |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 17:07 - Oct 9 with 2688 views | ridethewave |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 11:07 - Oct 9 by Northernr |
Financial element as well. Ainsworth, Dobson, all the new staff they brought in, would all require paying off. Is there FFP headroom enough to do that? New manager to pay, plus his staff. And any new manager coming in is going to want to know what there is to spend in january - the answer here is nothing and ideally you sell Chair. |
Fair assessment as ever, though when you look at the options, it’s - unless he pulls of a miracle - relegation with Ainsworth at the helm, or it’s try out luck with a new manager. We may well get relegated anyway but there’s always a (slim) chance a new manager could get something going.
Ultimately, what is going to be more financially disastrous for the club, being relegated, or paying off Ainsworth and his team? If we go down anyway then we’re toast regardless, so may at least try. I just cannot conceive that a manager can keep their job after what we’ve been whitnessing this season and after that home performance. |  | | |
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| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 17:10 - Oct 9 with 2663 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 16:51 - Oct 9 by BklynRanger |
Most of that relates to who they can get to take over so no argument there, but they could sack the fool right now and then get on with all that. |
well, no, most of it will be over negotiation of termination of a number of contracts. | |
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| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 17:11 - Oct 9 with 2659 views | Antti_Heinola |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 16:42 - Oct 9 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Almost give the impression that they have washed their hands of the club. |
In what way? | |
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| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 17:16 - Oct 9 with 2630 views | BklynRanger |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 17:10 - Oct 9 by Antti_Heinola |
well, no, most of it will be over negotiation of termination of a number of contracts. |
But they'll know what clauses they have in there already.
They're not going to be negotiating potentially terminating them etc only to decide, based on those negotiations that they can't afford to?
(I could be missing something - been a long day) | | | |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 18:06 - Oct 9 with 2515 views | JordanFoster |
Fantastic report Clive but what a dismal time to be supporting us atm - let alone traipsing all around the country.
I haven't ever really been in the Ainsworth camp even before his hiring, but much like Antti, I really didn't think it would be as bad as this. A limited squad, playing limited football, but running themselves into the ground and giving their all for the club.
Whilst Ainsworth has never been a tactician, his whole schtick is about buy-in, team over individual, culture etc. If the players aren't doing that or on board, then it's pretty clear they aren't having him. You're just then left with sh*t players playing sh*t football. Which is where we are at.
I mentioned on Twitter over the weekend that if you took the likes of Larkeche, Kakay, Smyth, Duke Mckenna, EDS, Armstrong and Kolli... they are all really League 2 players. They made up 45% of our team on the pitch on Saturday, so in some ways whist I have never thought Ainsworth is right, you could get Pep in here and he still has to choose between Kakay and Larkeche.
The latter was so bad, that the player who's spot he took, as they were so equally atrocious, was actually brought back in to make us more solid. | | | |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 18:08 - Oct 9 with 2507 views | Northernr |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 18:06 - Oct 9 by JordanFoster |
Fantastic report Clive but what a dismal time to be supporting us atm - let alone traipsing all around the country.
I haven't ever really been in the Ainsworth camp even before his hiring, but much like Antti, I really didn't think it would be as bad as this. A limited squad, playing limited football, but running themselves into the ground and giving their all for the club.
Whilst Ainsworth has never been a tactician, his whole schtick is about buy-in, team over individual, culture etc. If the players aren't doing that or on board, then it's pretty clear they aren't having him. You're just then left with sh*t players playing sh*t football. Which is where we are at.
I mentioned on Twitter over the weekend that if you took the likes of Larkeche, Kakay, Smyth, Duke Mckenna, EDS, Armstrong and Kolli... they are all really League 2 players. They made up 45% of our team on the pitch on Saturday, so in some ways whist I have never thought Ainsworth is right, you could get Pep in here and he still has to choose between Kakay and Larkeche.
The latter was so bad, that the player who's spot he took, as they were so equally atrocious, was actually brought back in to make us more solid. |
The theme of the last few weeks for me has been I expected it to be bad, basic and bleak. But you'd expect a Gareth Ainsworth team to have focused on the very basics like a solid defensive shape, defending set pieces, attacking set pieces, packing opposition penalty boxes, being physical, being awkward to play against. We're pis weak, and I didn't expect that of his team. |  | | |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 19:16 - Oct 9 with 2373 views | PunteR |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 18:06 - Oct 9 by JordanFoster |
Fantastic report Clive but what a dismal time to be supporting us atm - let alone traipsing all around the country.
I haven't ever really been in the Ainsworth camp even before his hiring, but much like Antti, I really didn't think it would be as bad as this. A limited squad, playing limited football, but running themselves into the ground and giving their all for the club.
Whilst Ainsworth has never been a tactician, his whole schtick is about buy-in, team over individual, culture etc. If the players aren't doing that or on board, then it's pretty clear they aren't having him. You're just then left with sh*t players playing sh*t football. Which is where we are at.
I mentioned on Twitter over the weekend that if you took the likes of Larkeche, Kakay, Smyth, Duke Mckenna, EDS, Armstrong and Kolli... they are all really League 2 players. They made up 45% of our team on the pitch on Saturday, so in some ways whist I have never thought Ainsworth is right, you could get Pep in here and he still has to choose between Kakay and Larkeche.
The latter was so bad, that the player who's spot he took, as they were so equally atrocious, was actually brought back in to make us more solid. |
The culture at the club is rotten to its core.
Ainsworth has got no chance. |  |
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| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 20:32 - Oct 9 with 2199 views | Dorse |
I said before the match that I was going to give it a swerve and do something more enjoyable, like jamming a corkscrew down my schlong.
After reading that, I reckon my trip to casualty, 37 stitches and subsequent battle with sepsis was still the better option. |  |
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| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 21:31 - Oct 9 with 2087 views | essextaxiboy |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 11:48 - Oct 9 by stevec |
That’s an interesting point, something I was thinking looking round the ground for the last 20 odd minutes, 0-4 down.
I put the apathy largely down to the advent of social media.
In the past if the team were shit, the team were shit. The only people truly engaged would be in the ground raging at the board, at the manager and at the players. We had literally nothing else to go on or to vent on, so ‘face to face’ so to speak, we gave it to them in public and they couldn’t fail to hear it.
Now, we all vent our spleens on here. Consequently it’s less personal for those involved in running the club. Invariably there will always be someone on social media that makes the case why, for instance, the board have their hands tied, why the manager can’t do what we want him to do, why players may be having a mental wobble for instance. It all dilutes everything to a laissez faire attitude, where in the end it results in the shit show being given yet another chance to redeem itself, though it never actually will.
Look at it like this. If someone calls you a useless cnt on social media, you can probably live with it, if someone calls you a useless cnt to your face, it’s a different story.
It’s football, it’s politics, it’s everything. It’s why nothing actually ever changes anymore. |
I have thought this for a while ,showing dissatisfaction is all done online now , We all get on our phones and say how sht it all is but the people that matter can just switch us off .
The one thing that wealthy owners dont like is being embarrassed or called out in public , Briatore could not take it , Amit now watches, when he comes at all, from a box, insulated from the supporters. They can keep us in the background . If we were top , you can bet they would all be front and centre every game.
For balance they do bankroll their ineptitude but that cant go on forever . Its just a matter of time |  | | |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 21:47 - Oct 9 with 2067 views | ManinBlack |
Presumably Amit thinks as there are no protests at him or the board, no calls for the manager to go, that we are all understanding of the FFP predicament and why attendances are holding up. Maybe he is deluded but unless there is vocal revolt in the stadium then this shower of shite will continue. There are no ownership demo's like you get at bigger clubs like Everton, Man Utd and in the past, Newcastle.
As previously stated by myself FFP has condemned the fans to endless misery as we cannot afford to increase the quality on the pitch so we have to either endure watching rubbish or give up on the club and stay away. This club is being driven into the dirt from past ownership mistakes, the current ownership and the EFL rules. As things stand I reckon I will be history before we get out of this mess and my patience has totally gone. [Post edited 9 Oct 2023 21:48]
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| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 22:03 - Oct 9 with 2016 views | BostonR |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 18:08 - Oct 9 by Northernr |
The theme of the last few weeks for me has been I expected it to be bad, basic and bleak. But you'd expect a Gareth Ainsworth team to have focused on the very basics like a solid defensive shape, defending set pieces, attacking set pieces, packing opposition penalty boxes, being physical, being awkward to play against. We're pis weak, and I didn't expect that of his team. |
GA plied at WW over a number of seasons and to be honest, he almost kept them in the Championship.
He’s not coach, he’s more of a cheerleader and that’s what we signed. Personally, I think he’s dust and will be gone shortly.
As for the club, I have been a supporter of the Board but something is not smelling right. It’s like they now want to relegate the club, so they can sell and walk away, which is not in their business DNA.
Either way it’s a shambles and totally toxic. |  | | |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 22:40 - Oct 9 with 1941 views | DejR_vu |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 04:03 - Oct 9 by CLAREMAN1995 |
Brutal game ,brutal hard truth all through that report fair play to you for laying that out .
We are in total free fall and its pretty sickening if this same bunch of players quit on Neil Critchley and now GA.
His post match interviews are pathetic at this stage he must really think our fans are morons.
Dont forget he promised a huge bounce back after Leeds and a home win yet they delivered this rubbish .
Time to clean house maybe |
He was talking about wanting two wins before the Leeds game. He must be the only person on the planet thinking in those terms.
Players aren’t stupid, they’ve played under different managers, they know where this is heading. | |
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| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 22:43 - Oct 9 with 1933 views | DejR_vu |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 08:01 - Oct 9 by Malintabuk |
Can only agree with Clive and the above posters. Yesterday I spoke to my brother who is 10 years older than me who has been going to QPR for 70 years... yes 70 years next year and I have never once heard him say that is it for him
Just take that in 70 years QPR is without doubt the longest relationship in his life... longer than his marriage of over 50 years and our parents
Me I'm a novice of 56 years and thesame as him.
Being that much older than me QPR was our bridge we have laughed together, cried together over our beloved QPR. I remember taking his oldest boy and my oldest girl to games together. My girl long got over the QPR bug but his boys still go and now their boys...
On Saturday I looked at my great nephews who just asked their dad do we have to go dad....
Those buch of overpaid, under achievers that own my club, run my club and allegedly play for my club, want to bow their head in shame
70 Fcuking years he has given money, time, sacrifice and love to this club, to tell me that is it for him no more
Thanks you guys I hope you are proud of yourselves |
This should be sent to the owners. This is what they’ve done to this club. They’ve destroyed its soul, it’s an empty shell. | |
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| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 23:09 - Oct 9 with 1908 views | loneranger1 |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 12:17 - Oct 9 by NewYorkRanger |
I'm in exactly the same position mate. Been bringing my 11 year old daughter for the last couple of seasons. She knows it's a family curse, but somehow still wants to keep coming to games. We also left when the 4th went in as I just couldn't take any more. This is the worst I can remember in my 50+ years of going to games.
We won't be going back until Gareth has been replaced as this it now well beyond a joke. |
Another depressed dad like you and Kingsbury. We missed the Watford game so Wigan was the last time she saw a home win. The curse, indeed.
I've said I won't take her again until we've got someone else in as manager - but I do wonder what a difference it will make, the club is so rotten at the moment, as several have noted.
Haven't had the energy to post until now but I think it was when we were 3-0 down, I noticed a boy and his (gran?)dad in the row behind us, both silently sobbing. Didn't know if I should feel more sorry for the lad, maybe at his first game, Rangers kit on etc, or the bloke - watching that shotshow unfold in front of him and feeling that his club was disolving in front of his eyes.
Someone said the club needs to burn down to come back stronger and it does feel like that - where will the lowpoint be? | | | |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 00:18 - Oct 10 with 1836 views | Northernr |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 22:40 - Oct 9 by DejR_vu |
He was talking about wanting two wins before the Leeds game. He must be the only person on the planet thinking in those terms.
Players aren’t stupid, they’ve played under different managers, they know where this is heading. |
People who know more about this stuff than me say the video clips the club have done of the actual training sessions are really a bit embarrassing - the level of the drills etc. Like you say, some of these players have been around, if you've got a couple of youth coaches and Gareth Ainsworth doing basic level drills and then setting us up and asking as us to play as we did against Leeds and Blackburn that 'buy in' soon evaporates. | | | |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 06:48 - Oct 10 with 1721 views | Petros |
Not to defend him, but Colback in particular looked very much out of the buy-in on Saturday. That is a dressing room which has been lost. | | | |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 07:19 - Oct 10 with 1676 views | DejR_vu |
| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 00:18 - Oct 10 by Northernr |
People who know more about this stuff than me say the video clips the club have done of the actual training sessions are really a bit embarrassing - the level of the drills etc. Like you say, some of these players have been around, if you've got a couple of youth coaches and Gareth Ainsworth doing basic level drills and then setting us up and asking as us to play as we did against Leeds and Blackburn that 'buy in' soon evaporates. |
Indeed, if you think back to the Inside Training videos under Warburton and those now, it’s chalk and cheese. Under MW there were technical drills on movement and patterns of play that coach players to think, find space, create options for team mates. Under GA i’ve only ever seen rondos and practice games. It is, as you say, embarrassing and it’s showing in the performances, results and frighteningly, the direction of travel. We’re getting worse and 0-4 is going to be both routine and a relief as the season progresses. I can’t see where another point comes from. | |
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| Each goal more farcical and easier to score than the last - Report on 08:16 - Oct 10 with 1607 views | Antti_Heinola |
This stuff about training for me reflects what’s on the pitch. Confused players not playing as a team and I’m afraid that’s down to coaching.
Clive made mention of Ainsworth saying we started the second half well. Clive was right to dismiss it, but just to analyse it for a moment: top of the second half we did come out with some purpose; JCS made 5 strong challenges to win the ball inside the first 10. Players were going at full pelt and for about 7 minutes made it uncomfortable for blackburn. Some around me were encouraged, but you could see that this was us at FULL throttle. The equivalent of having your finger on the sprint button at all times on fifa. I said then that all blackburn have to do is ride this out (not that hard) and that’s us done. And so it proved. You can’t keep up that frenzy for 45 mins, so blackburn saw it out then took us apart. It’s non league football. | |
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