| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 18:39 - Dec 30 with 4940 views | Rangersw12 |
"Are there players who now, as a result of Beale’s defection, no longer want to be here? Are there loan players who know they’re being recalled in January and now don’t want to get injured for fear of killing their second half of the season move?"
I think the answer to this is yes. Tim and Roberts clearly don't want to be here |  | |  |
| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 18:50 - Dec 30 with 4885 views | ted_hendrix |
| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 18:39 - Dec 30 by Rangersw12 |
"Are there players who now, as a result of Beale’s defection, no longer want to be here? Are there loan players who know they’re being recalled in January and now don’t want to get injured for fear of killing their second half of the season move?"
I think the answer to this is yes. Tim and Roberts clearly don't want to be here |
*Tim and Roberts clearly don't want to be here*
And the sooner they leave the better and they can give a lift to any other player who doesn't want to be here too.
Get to f uck out of It. |  |
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| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 18:51 - Dec 30 with 4878 views | DejR_vu |
Agree 100%
Perhaps the fact that so many people found that 'not too bad' is part of the problem. No standards at QPR, anything goes, no accountability. | |
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| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 18:51 - Dec 30 with 4875 views | Northernr |
| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 18:39 - Dec 30 by Rangersw12 |
"Are there players who now, as a result of Beale’s defection, no longer want to be here? Are there loan players who know they’re being recalled in January and now don’t want to get injured for fear of killing their second half of the season move?"
I think the answer to this is yes. Tim and Roberts clearly don't want to be here |
Well Tim's interesting, because he was absolutely brilliant at Preston just a week ago, and then played like that last night. I guess to a certain extent you're going to get that from a 19 year old who's played 20 senior games in his whole life.
Roberts I'm trying to hold my tongue on this week because he's not that old either and I've teed off on him enough of late. |  | | |
| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 18:53 - Dec 30 with 4860 views | Rangersw12 |
| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 18:51 - Dec 30 by DejR_vu |
Agree 100%
Perhaps the fact that so many people found that 'not too bad' is part of the problem. No standards at QPR, anything goes, no accountability. |
Exactly this.
We've let non entity's like Brentford and Luton over take us and the fanbase have shrugged their shoulders and think competing in the Championship is acceptable. | | | |
| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 18:55 - Dec 30 with 4840 views | BostonR |
You’re right - we should be worried. It’s shit or bust for me this season. As a club, are we really going to meander on and on and just hope something turns for us?
We’ve literally been on a downward spiral for the past 3-4 seasons. In that time there is the odd bright moment, but if we can stay up, keep Critchley we may just need another wholesale clear out of players.
I’ve never been on the Les out bandwagon, but I think we need to shake up the whole back room staff who are clearly not up to it. As I say it’s shit or bust for a club going nowhere. |  | | |
| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 19:24 - Dec 30 with 4704 views | horshamHoop |
Very accurate and depressing report.
IMO- you have to give Critchley time as he has inherited a complete mess. The club have made very poor decisions with both recruitment and Beale.
January is here, let the players who do not want to be here leave where possible. Build your team and tactics around a nucleus of players who do care and want to compete. Dieng, Dickie, Dunne, Paal, Field, Amos and Chair. There may be others.
We will survive and then reassess in the summer when recruitment will be vital.
Managers need time - we have gone with Critchley - support him through this very difficult period.
Too many want instant success - | | | |
| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 19:24 - Dec 30 with 4698 views | Northolt_Rs |
| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 18:53 - Dec 30 by Rangersw12 |
Exactly this.
We've let non entity's like Brentford and Luton over take us and the fanbase have shrugged their shoulders and think competing in the Championship is acceptable. |
“…and think staying in the Championship is acceptable.” |  |
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| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 19:24 - Dec 30 with 4695 views | daveB |
| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 18:39 - Dec 30 by Rangersw12 |
"Are there players who now, as a result of Beale’s defection, no longer want to be here? Are there loan players who know they’re being recalled in January and now don’t want to get injured for fear of killing their second half of the season move?"
I think the answer to this is yes. Tim and Roberts clearly don't want to be here |
Of the 3 loan players I thought Laird played pretty well last night, no lack of effort there and Tim was fine in midfield, didn't play well but didn't think it was a lack of effort. Roberts performance was the same as it has been all season, some bits of quality but very little effort. I think when results go against us we see things that are perhaps not there.
Quick edit here, when I say Laird played pretty well thats relative to the rest of the team rather than normal standards [Post edited 30 Dec 2022 19:35]
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| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 19:34 - Dec 30 with 4627 views | Rangersw12 |
| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 19:24 - Dec 30 by daveB |
Of the 3 loan players I thought Laird played pretty well last night, no lack of effort there and Tim was fine in midfield, didn't play well but didn't think it was a lack of effort. Roberts performance was the same as it has been all season, some bits of quality but very little effort. I think when results go against us we see things that are perhaps not there.
Quick edit here, when I say Laird played pretty well thats relative to the rest of the team rather than normal standards [Post edited 30 Dec 2022 19:35]
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Yeah agree with Laird he was decent ish
I thought Tim pulled out of lots of tackles and allowed players to run off him but like Clive said only 19 and hasn't played many games | | | |
| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 19:36 - Dec 30 with 4607 views | dm97 |
Agree with large parts of the “unacceptable” brigade from last night. That being said, some of the tripe going round about NC not being up to it simply because he doesn’t blow top in a media interview is absolutely insane. It is I’m sorry, just because the previous Neil was a BS merchant who could talk for hours on end doesn’t mean NC will be determined by how much of a media savvy BS’er he is. It will be performances/results, as it always is and will be, which of course can’t be that every week.
Dave Mc perpetuating this is particularly odd as he is usually not so reductive about this stuff. Smacks of lazy analysis imo (not saying LFW is that in the slightest mind!) just can’t believe the overreaction about NC today - like Clive says it’s the players who I’m more p’d off with given how well they were playing until the snake oil salesman pitched up at another stall.
*Sigh* repeat after me, stay in touch come March, stay in touch come March [Post edited 30 Dec 2022 19:38]
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| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 19:38 - Dec 30 with 4590 views | Northernr |
| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 19:24 - Dec 30 by daveB |
Of the 3 loan players I thought Laird played pretty well last night, no lack of effort there and Tim was fine in midfield, didn't play well but didn't think it was a lack of effort. Roberts performance was the same as it has been all season, some bits of quality but very little effort. I think when results go against us we see things that are perhaps not there.
Quick edit here, when I say Laird played pretty well thats relative to the rest of the team rather than normal standards [Post edited 30 Dec 2022 19:35]
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Yeh the frustration with Laird is the microcosm of my frustration with the team. Obviously it's the Championship and everybody beats everybody else and all that qualifying mitigation, but look at Laird at Preston last week, and then look at him against Cardiff. Look at him, and the team, against Watford, and then look at them last night. One week he's Kyle Walker, the next week he's not even somebody Kyle Walker would trust to clean his pool. | | | |
| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 19:39 - Dec 30 with 4581 views | daveB |
| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 19:24 - Dec 30 by horshamHoop |
Very accurate and depressing report.
IMO- you have to give Critchley time as he has inherited a complete mess. The club have made very poor decisions with both recruitment and Beale.
January is here, let the players who do not want to be here leave where possible. Build your team and tactics around a nucleus of players who do care and want to compete. Dieng, Dickie, Dunne, Paal, Field, Amos and Chair. There may be others.
We will survive and then reassess in the summer when recruitment will be vital.
Managers need time - we have gone with Critchley - support him through this very difficult period.
Too many want instant success - |
It feels like we are back where we were in Warbs second season, need a very good January window to turn things around and if that means selling Willock then sell him. Not a chance of getting Eze money for him but I'd be speaking to Bournemouth who have just come into money and see if they are interested | | | |
| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 19:44 - Dec 30 with 4548 views | ted_hendrix |
On current form I doubt very much If we could shift Willock. | |
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| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 19:44 - Dec 30 with 4537 views | daveB |
Just to clarify as one of the ones who said it wasn't that bad, I wasn't for a second suggesting it was any good. We were crap, as bad as the Blackpool game and the last 2 home games under Beale. I do think if we take our chances at 1-0 even 2-0 it's a very different game but thats not in any way suggesting I was happy with how we played or thought that was alright. It wasn't. My less angry reaction is probably due to me watching it sober and not going, I'd have been furious if I'd been there, spoke to my Dad and he stayed in the bar for the second half | | | |
| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 19:44 - Dec 30 with 4544 views | Northernr |
| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 19:36 - Dec 30 by dm97 |
Agree with large parts of the “unacceptable” brigade from last night. That being said, some of the tripe going round about NC not being up to it simply because he doesn’t blow top in a media interview is absolutely insane. It is I’m sorry, just because the previous Neil was a BS merchant who could talk for hours on end doesn’t mean NC will be determined by how much of a media savvy BS’er he is. It will be performances/results, as it always is and will be, which of course can’t be that every week.
Dave Mc perpetuating this is particularly odd as he is usually not so reductive about this stuff. Smacks of lazy analysis imo (not saying LFW is that in the slightest mind!) just can’t believe the overreaction about NC today - like Clive says it’s the players who I’m more p’d off with given how well they were playing until the snake oil salesman pitched up at another stall.
*Sigh* repeat after me, stay in touch come March, stay in touch come March [Post edited 30 Dec 2022 19:38]
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The problem Critchley is going to have here, and I did say this when we appointed him, is he's obviously one of these guys who's not big on public speaking and being in front of a camera and the media. He's not Redknapp or Warnock or Beale who absolutely loves sitting there and telling all their great stories about where they get all their great ideas. He's pretty quiet, reserved, keeps his cards very close to his chest, doesn't say a lot in the interviews. Now, there was obviously a lot wrong with Mark Hughes apart from this, but he suffered here for that as well IMO. Actually, I think this could be quite a good thing for us after Beale's bullsht, but it doesn't play well here when things aren't going well.
We had Mark Warburton for three years, who overall did a pretty good job particularly given what he inherited. He was absolutely steadfastly professional in interviews, gave nothing away, protected his players, represented the club well. For that, you had a thread on here every week last season coating off his post match interview, sick of his cliches and repetition etc. | | | |
| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 19:52 - Dec 30 with 4498 views | dm97 |
| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 19:44 - Dec 30 by Northernr |
The problem Critchley is going to have here, and I did say this when we appointed him, is he's obviously one of these guys who's not big on public speaking and being in front of a camera and the media. He's not Redknapp or Warnock or Beale who absolutely loves sitting there and telling all their great stories about where they get all their great ideas. He's pretty quiet, reserved, keeps his cards very close to his chest, doesn't say a lot in the interviews. Now, there was obviously a lot wrong with Mark Hughes apart from this, but he suffered here for that as well IMO. Actually, I think this could be quite a good thing for us after Beale's bullsht, but it doesn't play well here when things aren't going well.
We had Mark Warburton for three years, who overall did a pretty good job particularly given what he inherited. He was absolutely steadfastly professional in interviews, gave nothing away, protected his players, represented the club well. For that, you had a thread on here every week last season coating off his post match interview, sick of his cliches and repetition etc. |
Feels a bit grass is greener though as a position? Either, you have someone who chats the BS well and we all mock them wistfully over a pint but secretly quite like the fact they say something interesting until they go too far/show their real colours and we hate them (bar Neil W - another for the quit/be sacked when you’re on top penny jar). OR we have someone understated and reserved ala Warbs and NC, we all sit at the pub and mock their fine margins chat but appreciate they’re keeping it behind the door until results go and we’re angry so fans put their head on the block (which is probably the whole point) and create mocking threads etc.
Idk I’m just trying to make the point it all feels a bit 6 of 1 half a dozen of the other, whether it’s snake oil Mick or supply teacher NC. Just doesn’t feel like it makes much difference to the actual business of winning football matches (to continue the MH thread) in my humble opinion [Post edited 30 Dec 2022 19:53]
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| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 19:53 - Dec 30 with 4486 views | Northernr |
| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 19:52 - Dec 30 by dm97 |
Feels a bit grass is greener though as a position? Either, you have someone who chats the BS well and we all mock them wistfully over a pint but secretly quite like the fact they say something interesting until they go too far/show their real colours and we hate them (bar Neil W - another for the quit/be sacked when you’re on top penny jar). OR we have someone understated and reserved ala Warbs and NC, we all sit at the pub and mock their fine margins chat but appreciate they’re keeping it behind the door until results go and we’re angry so fans put their head on the block (which is probably the whole point) and create mocking threads etc.
Idk I’m just trying to make the point it all feels a bit 6 of 1 half a dozen of the other, whether it’s snake oil Mick or supply teacher NC. Just doesn’t feel like it makes much difference to the actual business of winning football matches (to continue the MH thread) in my humble opinion [Post edited 30 Dec 2022 19:53]
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Oh I agree with you mate absolutely. As I said last year when Warbs was getting stick "you won't like the next guy's post match comments, team selections or substitutions either", and that's true of Critchley as well. | | | |
| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 19:57 - Dec 30 with 4471 views | dm97 |
| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 19:53 - Dec 30 by Northernr |
Oh I agree with you mate absolutely. As I said last year when Warbs was getting stick "you won't like the next guy's post match comments, team selections or substitutions either", and that's true of Critchley as well. |
Exactly, that’s why the narrative about NC not being up to it based on his public speaking skills grates as it’s transparently insane - but it seems to be gaining traction among the ultimate team boys [Post edited 30 Dec 2022 19:57]
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| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 20:26 - Dec 30 with 4353 views | BucksRanger |
| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 19:57 - Dec 30 by dm97 |
Exactly, that’s why the narrative about NC not being up to it based on his public speaking skills grates as it’s transparently insane - but it seems to be gaining traction among the ultimate team boys [Post edited 30 Dec 2022 19:57]
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Well, after the Guy Ritchie wannabe gangster spiel of the previous manager, I really enjoy listening to Neil. He kind of reminds me of our ultimate gentleman manager Alec Stock. He talks clearly and concisely and, so far, has not washed any dirty laundry in the public baths.
Neil has my vote and long may he stay, a few of our pretty, pretty boys do not have my vote and I look forward to waving them goodbye soon. When it comes to replacements perhaps the club could find a way to replace them with men. [Post edited 30 Dec 2022 20:32]
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| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 21:26 - Dec 30 with 4124 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
Excellent report and spot on to how I felt and still feel about the game. Anyone who thought that was OK and we did alright clearly doesn't understand football. We were second best all over the park.
How many saves did their goalie make? Not fuc#ing one that I can remember.
Tim & Robert's have to go back in January, they dont give a sh!t and play like it. | | | |
| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 21:27 - Dec 30 with 4115 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Harsh but fair. It would be hard to disagree with any of it.
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| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 21:29 - Dec 30 with 4103 views | ozranger |
I think this may be the first time I have posted here on a match report, but there is something that I feel almost everyone is missing and I just can't let it go by. Someone stated on another thread, why not have Armstrong playing as his speed will unlock defences? Or do we need another striker? Or why is Willock not playing well or, most importantly, why are Laird and Paal not attacking forward? Does anyone else notice that I and, well everyone else, has not mentioned what I believe is the core of our real problems?
The two centre backs and, I am sad to say, Dickie. I totally disagree that either should have been given a 5. Why? They slow the game down completely every time they get the ball. They pass it between themselves and, what's more, they do it with slow rolling passes as opposed to a crisp, speedy movement of the ball. Both centre backs show a total lack of any real willingness to make a decision of playing the ball forward quickly and thus launching an attack quickly - like for example what Luton was doing a lot last night. When this happens, the two fullbacks have to stay at home as they will be outlets as, except for Dieng, they appear the only options for the defenders. That means that there is a lack of extra players in the midfield, and thus a lack of the ability of the midfielders to work properly together and also to be in support with the lone striker, as has been mentioned on too many threads and explained in the match report. I am not saying we should play longball as quick balls to midfielders who should immediately pull into the holes is just as good.
What was the big difference between Preston and the past two games? Speed of getting the ball forward and what happens then. What else was the difference? Clarke-Salter, for Dickie, a player who will move the ball much quicker up the field.
Why has this happened to our favourite Dickie? Perhaps Bournemouth last season and the repercussions followed by the requirements instilled in him by Warburton after that game. Perhaps he is too ingrained with the idea of being safe as opposed to taking early risks.
If we go back to Armstrong, getting a ball to him almost immediately upon winning the ball in defence will create significant chances for him. Similarly, we watch Dykes make run after run wanting the ball behind the defence (and Nick London has complained about that problem before). Playing the ball around the back only allows the opposition to get into shape and only counters any opportunity, or certainly decreases the opportunity, to break open a defence.
We can have as much go at our attackers for missing chances, and they deserve that, the two full-backs not getting forward enough, the poor crossing, the lack of midfielders supporting the lone striker but to me the primary problem lies in the pair at the back. |  | | |
| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 21:35 - Dec 30 with 4061 views | monners1969 |
Sorry posted this on the match report page
There is a systemic problem with all of this ……..
Just about right - awful performance at both ends of the field - I think willock is on his way - and loanees is again becoming a a coke habit which never goes away - a massive frustration for me is that this has been stored up and kicked down the road for so long - kick the shit out of shodipo like everyone else and sneer at the fact that he’s been here since before brexit - but the guy has still only played 40 odd games across his tenure - CW has made a great barometer of 50 - 100
Games - how are these players supposed to be properly judged until they’ve had that run ? In shodipos case (and I’m only using him as an example) he’s had 40
Odd games across 6-7 seasons - how are we supposed to judge him on that properly ?
For me we own him and kakay and bloody travelman nico (the list is longer than those 3) and just having these guys in the background behind loan players is a total false economy - and here we are as a fan base directing all our ire on them and not the clubs approach for nearly a decade.
“But they’re shit” “ league 2 at best” - maybe they are but how do
We know if all they get is on average 8 games a season mainly off the bench
Our new approach has to back our squad and get to the judgement quicker
So players like mide Charlie Owens etc get better through coaching or experience or we find out they can’t develop quickly and move on to the next one
This death by 1000 isn’t fair in the players the fans and is killing any chance of QPR getting anywhere near the so called promised land of the premier league |  | | |
| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 21:36 - Dec 30 with 4050 views | nix |
| Luton humbling highlights scale of Critchley’s task — Report on 19:44 - Dec 30 by daveB |
Just to clarify as one of the ones who said it wasn't that bad, I wasn't for a second suggesting it was any good. We were crap, as bad as the Blackpool game and the last 2 home games under Beale. I do think if we take our chances at 1-0 even 2-0 it's a very different game but thats not in any way suggesting I was happy with how we played or thought that was alright. It wasn't. My less angry reaction is probably due to me watching it sober and not going, I'd have been furious if I'd been there, spoke to my Dad and he stayed in the bar for the second half |
Just a thought though Dave I wonder if it looked worse in the ground than on TV. You get a lot more idea of lack of movement off the ball and how few times our players got in their box when watching it live. It's harder to see that on TV as they focus a lot more on close ups of the player with the ball. |  | | |
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