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Infection and hospital rates climbing rapidly. Death rates projected at 200 per day. Nearly 4m people at serious risk. New information coming out about the problems Covid cause the body if it doesn’t kill you. People laid up for the best part of a year with serious complications. Concern over the AstraZenica vaccine. Is it really wise to lift most of the restrictions on Monday? We have been told that we aren’t going back into another lockdown situation no matter what, but Whitty seems to think it might have to be on the cards.
Feeling pressurised and being pressured are two completely different things. (As anyone who has railed against snowflakes would know). There are currently no restrictions on under 18s that are unvaccinated in this country.
And the fact that there are more freedoms available if you are vaccinated does not amount to being pressured. For foreign travel, for adults, for example it’s easier if you’re vaccinated but unvaccinated people can still travel, they just need more tests. Their choice.
Certain occupations I understand require vaccination, but my comment was about children.
You can google about the anti-vaxxer school visits when you’re ready.
Nobody directly put pressure on you to drive around Dorset in blind panic looking for petrol when you already had 3/4 of a tank, but you felt pressured to do it anyway?
Who said anyting about censorship? You are completely paranoid about your 'freedoms'.
No, I was just responding to your disingenuous comment that "Clearly no leaflet is going to tell children that if they take a jab they are going to die or get ill" when you yourself are posting the self same stuff.
Stating that some children will die and have died, will suffer injury and have suffered injury from taking this jab is completely different from telling any specific child that they will die or suffer injury if they take the jab. The former is a fact and so, correct to state (if it wasn't the JCVI would have given immediate clearance). The latter is emotive conjecture.
This subject is too important to be sloppy with your wording Ian.
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I wholly disapprove of what you say and will defend to the death your right to say it.
Covid is real. Scientists and doctors are honest. Vaccines work.
And you, you complete nutcase, believe that’s all bullsh1t.
Do you think I give a flying fart what your views are on my post or opinions? I can have a more intelligent discussion with a bucket of wallpaper paste.
Covid is real...apart from in China it would seem As of midnight last night...these are for the entire covid-19 breakout period
1.41 billion people Total cases..97823 Deaths .........4636 Recovered.....91985
Uk Cases 9301909 Deaths 141805 Recovered 7594199
Active uk Cases 1.6m
India less than 30% fully vaccinated..has 22 times the population of the uk and has a transmission rate currently10 times lower..this is also the initial point for Delta variant .
Deaths in the UK are 2074 per million..India 303 per million with far less sanitary conditions and a far lower vaccine uptake
Nobody directly put pressure on you to drive around Dorset in blind panic looking for petrol when you already had 3/4 of a tank, but you felt pressured to do it anyway?
As I remember I was listening to Miles Davis and feeling very chilled.
Is there a point about Covid vaccines for children somewhere in there?
Covid is real...apart from in China it would seem As of midnight last night...these are for the entire covid-19 breakout period
1.41 billion people Total cases..97823 Deaths .........4636 Recovered.....91985
Uk Cases 9301909 Deaths 141805 Recovered 7594199
Active uk Cases 1.6m
India less than 30% fully vaccinated..has 22 times the population of the uk and has a transmission rate currently10 times lower..this is also the initial point for Delta variant .
Deaths in the UK are 2074 per million..India 303 per million with far less sanitary conditions and a far lower vaccine uptake
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Lots of numbers, lots of waffle, but three simple statements:
Covid is real. Scientists and doctors are honest. Vaccines work.
and you think they are 'utter bullshit'.
“Alice laughed. 'There's no use trying,' she said. 'One can't believe impossible things.'
I daresay you haven't had much practice,' said the Queen. 'When I was your age, I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast. There goes the shawl again!”
A late breakfast for you 68 and you can squeeze in 3 more things.
Covid is real...apart from in China it would seem As of midnight last night...these are for the entire covid-19 breakout period
1.41 billion people Total cases..97823 Deaths .........4636 Recovered.....91985
Uk Cases 9301909 Deaths 141805 Recovered 7594199
Active uk Cases 1.6m
India less than 30% fully vaccinated..has 22 times the population of the uk and has a transmission rate currently10 times lower..this is also the initial point for Delta variant .
Deaths in the UK are 2074 per million..India 303 per million with far less sanitary conditions and a far lower vaccine uptake
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Saint68, Whatever other arguments you put up, don't ever compare the UK, India and China as though this is a level playing field. It is not. Don't even attempt to make comparisons using the data they provide. You can trust the EU, the rest of Western Europe, Australia, New Zealand and much of the Americas ; beyond that, well it's easy to have low infection rates when you have 500 million illiterates who aren't even listed on any accurate census and women regarded as mere chattels.
Saint68, Whatever other arguments you put up, don't ever compare the UK, India and China as though this is a level playing field. It is not. Don't even attempt to make comparisons using the data they provide. You can trust the EU, the rest of Western Europe, Australia, New Zealand and much of the Americas ; beyond that, well it's easy to have low infection rates when you have 500 million illiterates who aren't even listed on any accurate census and women regarded as mere chattels.
I'm pretty sure that just last week, you alluded to not trusting our very own government's statistics..correct me if I'm wrong GG
There has been all kinds of under recording (Germany for one allegedly) and over recording (UK and US)
You say that the western world and others have a far better level of recording and publishing statistical information that is more bona-fide..maybe so..but we do see the UK and US really struggling to show up to date evidence on vaccine deaths and side effects..I think Christopher Chope is still waiting from his original request in late May ..just saying.
Honest scientists doing an excellent job. Open reporting of findings.
I wonder then why a serving MP had to raise questions on 3 occasions in the house to get this extremely relevant information from the government..3 months ..absolutely nothing Forwarded..
Honest scientists doing an excellent job. Open reporting of findings.
Probably time you provided these images of leaflets directly telling school kids they will die Ian....see you said it's in the press and online...but you've also said you've seen this first hand as well earlier in this thread...
Shocking to see the numbers of anti vaxxers protesting outside schools and intimidating children. They are perfectly entitled to their views but to intimidate school kids outside the school gates is not on.
Shocking to see the numbers of anti vaxxers protesting outside schools and intimidating children. They are perfectly entitled to their views but to intimidate school kids outside the school gates is not on.
I know you are far more genuine than Ian, Sogs...what are these individuals actually passing on to children?
As I said yesterday if it's blatant lies and misinformation then I'd be disgusted as would pretty much anyone with a sense of decency.
Do you have any images of the leaflets or even placards these people are brandishing mate...would be interested to see how detached from reality the information they are trying to push on to school children is.
Probably time you provided these images of leaflets directly telling school kids they will die Ian....see you said it's in the press and online...but you've also said you've seen this first hand as well earlier in this thread...
So which is it?
As I said to Bicester, you are very welcome to google it. I'm not in the business of meeting your information needs 68. Your interpretation skills are, let's say, a little avant garde.
As I said to Bicester, you are very welcome to google it. I'm not in the business of meeting your information needs 68. Your interpretation skills are, let's say, a little avant garde.
As I thought .you can't as you are full of excrement Ian.
Have you forgotten about your very own claim earlier in this very thread that you witnessed this first hand?
It's really starting to look like you are the forums Premier conveyor of Bullshìt
As I thought .you can't as you are full of excrement Ian.
Have you forgotten about your very own claim earlier in this very thread that you witnessed this first hand?
It's really starting to look like you are the forums Premier conveyor of Bullshìt
Are you talking talking about when I shouted 'nutters' at protesting anti-vaxxers or about when my neighbour had an altercation with someone dressed as the grim reaper or when an idiot shouted 'don't take the poison' at me just after I had come out of the clinic after my first vaccination. And what of it?
I know you are far more genuine than Ian, Sogs...what are these individuals actually passing on to children?
As I said yesterday if it's blatant lies and misinformation then I'd be disgusted as would pretty much anyone with a sense of decency.
Do you have any images of the leaflets or even placards these people are brandishing mate...would be interested to see how detached from reality the information they are trying to push on to school children is.
What? Do you mean that you don’t have a copy already? It was on the news tonight. There was also footage of one of your lot trying to serve some kind of legal (?) papers on a school.
What? Do you mean that you don’t have a copy already? It was on the news tonight. There was also footage of one of your lot trying to serve some kind of legal (?) papers on a school.
Oh I see..they clearly state you will die or suffer from severe side effects don't they!!...I'm sure that's what was claimed earlier in the thread wasn't it.
But that slight porkie aside, I do feel its wrong to target children in any way...like using say Big Bird or Peppa Pig to encourage young children to take this vaccine..now that's on a completely different level than a few idiots passing out a few fliers about waiting until its fully approved in 2023 I'd say.
Are you talking talking about when I shouted 'nutters' at protesting anti-vaxxers or about when my neighbour had an altercation with someone dressed as the grim reaper or when an idiot shouted 'don't take the poison' at me just after I had come out of the clinic after my first vaccination. And what of it?
I mean who would sink so low to produce a toddlers favourite character telling 5yr olds it's safe to take an unnecessary vaccine...thats sickening and exploitative by any measure.
I'm not going to defend every last protester outside a school - certainly not my style, but if there is a level of wrongdoing, it does not even come close IMO to governments ignoring the advice of their advisors and pushing this drug on to kids who don't need it and who it may harm in the short and long term.
I see Big Bird on Sesame Street is now encouraging 6 year olds to get it - if people can't see that is blatant propaganda, then they don't have their eyes open.
I wholly disapprove of what you say and will defend to the death your right to say it.
I'm not going to defend every last protester outside a school - certainly not my style, but if there is a level of wrongdoing, it does not even come close IMO to governments ignoring the advice of their advisors and pushing this drug on to kids who don't need it and who it may harm in the short and long term.
I see Big Bird on Sesame Street is now encouraging 6 year olds to get it - if people can't see that is blatant propaganda, then they don't have their eyes open.
Misinformation again from Ian and Co....they stated that the leaflets were actually stating you will die and other shocking suggestions...those leaflets I've just looked at from the Mail weren't my cup of tea at all and those handing them out aren't doing themselves any favours either....but yet again more bullshìt from Ian...meanwhile Seaame Street knock these knobheads outside of a school into orbit...or as Ian will suggest it's just a public broadcast.
Are you talking talking about when I shouted 'nutters' at protesting anti-vaxxers or about when my neighbour had an altercation with someone dressed as the grim reaper or when an idiot shouted 'don't take the poison' at me just after I had come out of the clinic after my first vaccination. And what of it?
Still haven't seen these leaflets yet Ian, I mean those ones in the Mail are not saying anything that isn't true, but I do feel that subjecting children to anything like that is wholly unacceptable.
But you said clearly that these leaflets were telling young kids they're going to die....where are these Ian?
Still nice to see grown men up in arms at a few saddos passing out leaflets...I wonder if the same disdain wil be projected at the Sessme Street coercion?
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