Third Covid Wave 10:36 - Jul 16 with 71580 views | Sadoldgit | Infection and hospital rates climbing rapidly. Death rates projected at 200 per day. Nearly 4m people at serious risk. New information coming out about the problems Covid cause the body if it doesn’t kill you. People laid up for the best part of a year with serious complications. Concern over the AstraZenica vaccine. Is it really wise to lift most of the restrictions on Monday? We have been told that we aren’t going back into another lockdown situation no matter what, but Whitty seems to think it might have to be on the cards. [Post edited 18 Jul 2021 9:29]
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Third Covid Wave on 12:05 - Nov 6 with 1422 views | saint68 |
Third Covid Wave on 12:02 - Nov 6 by darthvader | Is this now the longest thread on here ? |
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Third Covid Wave on 12:21 - Nov 6 with 1417 views | Jellybaby |
Third Covid Wave on 17:58 - Nov 5 by GasGiant | How long do you believe we need to wait for these "long term consequences?" i ask this because I asume you have had several innoculations in your lifetime and I wonder how long you felt was needed for them? What do you think would have happened if we had prevaricated over TB, or Diptheria? Or Typhus? or Typhoid? How would we actually know what any "Long term effects" might be, considering that the long term effect of not vaccinating was either a painful death or life shortening chronic illness? Did you/ Would you have denied your child a polio vaccine because of the "Long term consequences"? I don't suppose you need to be told of the long term consequences for a child catching polio but how long did you require the polio vaccine and how would it have been tested to your satisfaction? Moving on, I also wonder how long you think the flu vaccine requires before you deem it "safe" considering it is a new vaccine every year to match the latest flu variant that also mutates every year. Do you think we should stop the flu vaccine in that case? You state that the covid vaccine (all of them?) causes injury and death. Can you put up the statistical probablilities of these "injuries and deaths" where there is a proven causal link, and compare that figure to the injury and death statistics of Covid victims in the population at large? TThis is interesting because a flu vaccine clearly has less than a year in development and trial, and covid has now been with us for two years and the vaccines have been around at least as long as the latest flu vaccine. so tell me, how long do you intend to delay, and will you then happily step up to be vaccinated, or will you jump to the next conspiracy theory as a convenient excuse not to? |
GG, I have had vaccines in my life and my kids too had most, but not all, my wife started becoming concerned about all the booster shots and whether they were all really needed, but I have never been "anti vax" particularly, just ambivalent - never saw the point in the flu jab for myself. Because of the events of this year I am way more wary of vaccines and Big Pharma generally, who can often appear to be legalised drug pushers, but I appreciate that there is a broader debate to be had on this subject around standard licensed vaccines that have been around for more than 2 years. You may be interested in this book that talks about the polio vaccine; https://www.amazon.co.uk/Moth-Iron-Lung-Biography-Polio/dp/1717583679 When the covid vaccine was announced, I cheered as loudly as anyone, because as a vocal anti-lockdowner, I saw this as the way to get our freedoms back- by March the old and vulnerable would have had their shots and normality could return. The rest is history as they say- the coercion around the jab has been horrific - the threats, the bribes, the divisions, the non reporting of vaccine death and injury (I have known both personally). All these things have convinced me not to touch it with a 10ft barge pole. I believe in freedom, so if others want to jab infinitum then that is their prerogative. My beef is around the coercion of this particular jab and the pressure on kids to get it, explicit or implicit I find particularly disturbing. | |
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Third Covid Wave on 13:07 - Nov 6 with 1395 views | Jellybaby |
Third Covid Wave on 08:07 - Nov 5 by Berber | "Those people" are trying to get a point of view across because the powers that be have closed down debate and called every counter argument "misinformation" and managed to get militant Covid fanatics like you, that have bought the propaganda hook, line and sinker to do their policing for them." That is completely fallacious. The mainstream media may not air the counter arguments, and that is their prerogative if they feel that the arguments are not substantial. However, as you know, social media and the internet is awash with counter views and arguments for anyone (except the Chinese) to go and explore. If the majority choose not to follow the minority for whatever reason, you cannot with any integrity claim that the minority have not been given the opportunity to put their case. Where is your evidence that "the powers that be" (and who are they exactly?) have closed down argument? Closing down means that there are no outlets for people to express their views. Nobody has the right to make their statements on whatever media platforms (the press and on TV) they choose. That applies to me as well as you. "There is more risk to a child in taking this jab than getting covid, is that too hard for you to admit?" The official report states that there is a very small benefit to the individual of having the vaccination. But we don't live our lives in isolation, so the community as well as other things like education disruption effects should be considered. So your statement above is both selective and not necessarily correct. As it happens, I don't think kids should get the jab either though. It is making selective and ultimately misleading statements that undermine the counter arguments more than anything, and most of your posts on this subject have been riddled with these flaws, as pointed out previously. |
Berber, this is not a fallacious argument at all. The fact that you think it is, shows how good the propaganda has been around this subject, but the with a team of over 50 in the UK nudge unit behavioural insights team and others throughout the world you might expect it to be pretty good. You have stated elsewhere on this thread that you could see the mis-reporting around the Iraq invasion, so I am surprised you can not see the selective reporting around Covid and did you never watch "Yes Minister"?! It is generally accepted that there is a progressive bias in the Media and a move towards an authoritarian stance and we have certainly seen that from the TV/radio news media (in the UK and USA we do better than most countries, but it's still not great - as OffCom can fine/close them down). The biggest advertisers in the papers have been the Government, so that will persuade editors to tow the party line and with a few brief exceptions the papers mostly have. Censorship in Big Tec is rife from "shadow banning" to "misinformation" notices on facebook to Youtube deplatforming, to Keir Starmer wanting sanctions on the Telegram channel, to The Wuhan lab theory "conspiracy" stories being removed, only later to be "un-conspiritised" - this is likely to increase massively in the future too. I think it is naïve not to recognise that there is a narrative - that is why so many things have been done in lock-step throughout the world during covid. I don't know your political views - you may wish for a move towards totalitarianism and more state control in which case this single narrative and the demonising of those that disagree on the MSM may well suit you? | |
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Third Covid Wave on 16:22 - Nov 6 with 1338 views | Berber |
Third Covid Wave on 13:07 - Nov 6 by Jellybaby | Berber, this is not a fallacious argument at all. The fact that you think it is, shows how good the propaganda has been around this subject, but the with a team of over 50 in the UK nudge unit behavioural insights team and others throughout the world you might expect it to be pretty good. You have stated elsewhere on this thread that you could see the mis-reporting around the Iraq invasion, so I am surprised you can not see the selective reporting around Covid and did you never watch "Yes Minister"?! It is generally accepted that there is a progressive bias in the Media and a move towards an authoritarian stance and we have certainly seen that from the TV/radio news media (in the UK and USA we do better than most countries, but it's still not great - as OffCom can fine/close them down). The biggest advertisers in the papers have been the Government, so that will persuade editors to tow the party line and with a few brief exceptions the papers mostly have. Censorship in Big Tec is rife from "shadow banning" to "misinformation" notices on facebook to Youtube deplatforming, to Keir Starmer wanting sanctions on the Telegram channel, to The Wuhan lab theory "conspiracy" stories being removed, only later to be "un-conspiritised" - this is likely to increase massively in the future too. I think it is naïve not to recognise that there is a narrative - that is why so many things have been done in lock-step throughout the world during covid. I don't know your political views - you may wish for a move towards totalitarianism and more state control in which case this single narrative and the demonising of those that disagree on the MSM may well suit you? |
I can see that you are genuinely concerned about these things. But to deny that anti government messaging and anti vax messaging cannot be aired is simply ludicrous. Trying to use the non acceptance of flakey arguments is definitely not the argument to use as evidence for flakey beliefs being justified. Similarly, to claim that the majority of influential countries in the world are in lock step is equally laughable. Your only evidence seems to be that your preferred version of the truth does not gain any purchase with the majority of folk, so therefore it must be suppressed. There is a difference between scepticism and cynicism though. I'd like to think I stand on the sceptic side of the scale, but nowhere near the not the cynical degree that most conspiracy theorists and anti "normal" believers seems to hug so close to. Frankly, using "Yes Minister" as evidence just about sums up the paucity of your argument. I have asked you previously to explain what shadow banning is, and exactly how it operates, (and by whom would be useful), but seemingly you don't have any sensible response or proof. Maybe the narrative you refer to is mostly evolved from sensible analysis, understanding and a willingness of people (nations even) to work together to take the best decisions they can given what is known at the time. I'll grant that in this pandemic, a lot was, and is still unknown, but that is no reason to do nothing. If you were to read Zen and the Art of Motorcyle Maintenance, you would better understand, as do most of us, that scientific knowledge continues to disprove the rules and laws that are developed. But that is a result of mankind's desire to effectively use what is known, understanding that the thirst and need to know more will take us into new understandings and better positions to make better decisions. In no way does it negate the beneficial application of scientific knowledge and experience. But ultimately, this is better than letting things roll and seeing what happens after a decade or two. | |
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Third Covid Wave on 17:27 - Nov 6 with 1313 views | Jellybaby |
Third Covid Wave on 16:22 - Nov 6 by Berber | I can see that you are genuinely concerned about these things. But to deny that anti government messaging and anti vax messaging cannot be aired is simply ludicrous. Trying to use the non acceptance of flakey arguments is definitely not the argument to use as evidence for flakey beliefs being justified. Similarly, to claim that the majority of influential countries in the world are in lock step is equally laughable. Your only evidence seems to be that your preferred version of the truth does not gain any purchase with the majority of folk, so therefore it must be suppressed. There is a difference between scepticism and cynicism though. I'd like to think I stand on the sceptic side of the scale, but nowhere near the not the cynical degree that most conspiracy theorists and anti "normal" believers seems to hug so close to. Frankly, using "Yes Minister" as evidence just about sums up the paucity of your argument. I have asked you previously to explain what shadow banning is, and exactly how it operates, (and by whom would be useful), but seemingly you don't have any sensible response or proof. Maybe the narrative you refer to is mostly evolved from sensible analysis, understanding and a willingness of people (nations even) to work together to take the best decisions they can given what is known at the time. I'll grant that in this pandemic, a lot was, and is still unknown, but that is no reason to do nothing. If you were to read Zen and the Art of Motorcyle Maintenance, you would better understand, as do most of us, that scientific knowledge continues to disprove the rules and laws that are developed. But that is a result of mankind's desire to effectively use what is known, understanding that the thirst and need to know more will take us into new understandings and better positions to make better decisions. In no way does it negate the beneficial application of scientific knowledge and experience. But ultimately, this is better than letting things roll and seeing what happens after a decade or two. |
"Trying to use the non acceptance of flakey arguments is definitely not the argument to use as evidence for flakey beliefs being justified." Is this you trying to be objective? Flakey arguments because they are not yours or they don't concur with the majority? I have accused you before of thinking that the majority argument is the right one based on no other evidence than most people think it - I despise that argument, it has zero credibility. It is why it is so easy to coerce people because humans are a pack animal and like to appear "normal". If you think of yourself as a sceptic, then you are certainly hiding it well, that at least did give me a laugh. Yes Minister - a joke, thus the use of an exclamation mark. Shadow banning - I have explained over and over- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_banning Try looking up astroturfing as well while you are at it to see how the real world works outside the cosy coviddy confines of the BBC. You really don't think that most countries have acted in lockstep? I find it hard to believe that comment; "Build back better" is a global mantra, have you not noticed? There are many reasons why we can be seeing things so differently and some of that may be how we are sourcing our information, I'm guessing you swallow all the MSM news - if you want to live up to your "sceptic" credentials you may need to try a bit harder! | |
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Third Covid Wave on 09:34 - Nov 7 with 1229 views | DorsetIan |
Third Covid Wave on 00:57 - Nov 6 by Bicester_North | “No parent or child is being 'pressured' into anything” You lied and talked biased bollocks. Liars are bad people. Stop telling lies f*cker. |
Stop knee-jerk contradicting everything I post. It’s flattering but boring. Handing a child a leaflet outside their school telling them (falsely) that they will die or get ill if they take a vaccine is clearly pressurising them using fear. I’ve seen nothing anywhere near that in terms of the vaccination of children in the UK. If you’ve seen the equivalent the other way then share it. | |
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Third Covid Wave on 09:51 - Nov 7 with 1219 views | DorsetIan |
Third Covid Wave on 17:27 - Nov 6 by Jellybaby | "Trying to use the non acceptance of flakey arguments is definitely not the argument to use as evidence for flakey beliefs being justified." Is this you trying to be objective? Flakey arguments because they are not yours or they don't concur with the majority? I have accused you before of thinking that the majority argument is the right one based on no other evidence than most people think it - I despise that argument, it has zero credibility. It is why it is so easy to coerce people because humans are a pack animal and like to appear "normal". If you think of yourself as a sceptic, then you are certainly hiding it well, that at least did give me a laugh. Yes Minister - a joke, thus the use of an exclamation mark. Shadow banning - I have explained over and over- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_banning Try looking up astroturfing as well while you are at it to see how the real world works outside the cosy coviddy confines of the BBC. You really don't think that most countries have acted in lockstep? I find it hard to believe that comment; "Build back better" is a global mantra, have you not noticed? There are many reasons why we can be seeing things so differently and some of that may be how we are sourcing our information, I'm guessing you swallow all the MSM news - if you want to live up to your "sceptic" credentials you may need to try a bit harder! |
You and 68 are just trotting out the same old b0ll0cks post after post. Here are some facts on which most but the completely nutty seem able t believe: There is a global pandemic which is harming and killing people in a way that is far more serious than ‘seasonal flu’. The worldwide scientific community has worked hard and in good faith to develop protective vaccines against the virus. These vaccines have been tested by many bodies tasked with licensing medicines and protecting the the public from harm from medicines and found to be safe. There is an ongoing review process to monitor this safety. Those who have been vaccinated have reduced their chances of illness and death significantly. Those who have not been vaccinated are being harmed and are dying in proportionately much higher numbers. All of the above is true and, frankly, it’s enough for me. The rest is just noise and you two generate a lot of it. | |
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Third Covid Wave on 10:00 - Nov 7 with 1210 views | saint68 |
Third Covid Wave on 09:34 - Nov 7 by DorsetIan | Stop knee-jerk contradicting everything I post. It’s flattering but boring. Handing a child a leaflet outside their school telling them (falsely) that they will die or get ill if they take a vaccine is clearly pressurising them using fear. I’ve seen nothing anywhere near that in terms of the vaccination of children in the UK. If you’ve seen the equivalent the other way then share it. |
Provide images of these flyers/placards that you claim are being displayed/distributed outside of these schools please ..I'd be disgusted if that was actually happening...I'm sure the police could take action if this is really taking place outside of school gates. Oh and in order to save Christmas could you pop down and get your booster Ian....no booster no Christmas is the current threat from the media, government and sage. | |
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Third Covid Wave on 10:07 - Nov 7 with 1200 views | saint68 |
Third Covid Wave on 09:51 - Nov 7 by DorsetIan | You and 68 are just trotting out the same old b0ll0cks post after post. Here are some facts on which most but the completely nutty seem able t believe: There is a global pandemic which is harming and killing people in a way that is far more serious than ‘seasonal flu’. The worldwide scientific community has worked hard and in good faith to develop protective vaccines against the virus. These vaccines have been tested by many bodies tasked with licensing medicines and protecting the the public from harm from medicines and found to be safe. There is an ongoing review process to monitor this safety. Those who have been vaccinated have reduced their chances of illness and death significantly. Those who have not been vaccinated are being harmed and are dying in proportionately much higher numbers. All of the above is true and, frankly, it’s enough for me. The rest is just noise and you two generate a lot of it. |
Utter bullshìt Ian.... Last year 60000 excess deaths...no vaccines This year 80000+ deaths with vaccines Over 80% of current covid deaths are in fully vaccinated Stop telling lies and deceiving people Ian with your cretinous vicious factually inaccurate bile. And if you think there is no coercement and propaganda being used to keep rolling out these potentially life changing vaccines to children then you are a very blinkered individual indeed. | |
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Third Covid Wave on 10:14 - Nov 7 with 1196 views | Jellybaby |
Thanks for this Jay and interesting to see this at the bottom of the article for all those who are in denial over global covid censorship; The Exposé is now censored on Google, Facebook & Twitter. So we need your help to ensure we can continue to bring you the facts the mainstream refuse to… We’re not funded by the Government to publish lies and propaganda on their behalf like the mainstream media. | |
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Third Covid Wave on 10:43 - Nov 7 with 1175 views | Jellybaby |
Third Covid Wave on 09:34 - Nov 7 by DorsetIan | Stop knee-jerk contradicting everything I post. It’s flattering but boring. Handing a child a leaflet outside their school telling them (falsely) that they will die or get ill if they take a vaccine is clearly pressurising them using fear. I’ve seen nothing anywhere near that in terms of the vaccination of children in the UK. If you’ve seen the equivalent the other way then share it. |
If you actually tried being HONEST in your posts Ian, then maybe you wouldn't annoy so many people. Clearly no leaflet is going to tell children that if they take a jab they are going to die or get ill, but rather it will say there is a risk and that risk far outweighs the risk of a child getting covid and dying. That is fact. Even the tweedle dum to your tweedle dee (Berber) has long since distanced himself from this argument. You may find yourself the last man standing on this one Ian if you are not careful and I know how much you value your "Mr Normal" status....... | |
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Third Covid Wave on 10:48 - Nov 7 with 1174 views | DorsetIan |
Third Covid Wave on 10:07 - Nov 7 by saint68 | Utter bullshìt Ian.... Last year 60000 excess deaths...no vaccines This year 80000+ deaths with vaccines Over 80% of current covid deaths are in fully vaccinated Stop telling lies and deceiving people Ian with your cretinous vicious factually inaccurate bile. And if you think there is no coercement and propaganda being used to keep rolling out these potentially life changing vaccines to children then you are a very blinkered individual indeed. |
I see you’re repeating the stat about over 80% vaccinated etc. I and many others have explained the maths about this to you many times. You’ve never responded to that (because even you can’t deny the truth of maths) but you keep repeating it. This alone proves what a total fraud you are. As for the rest of the post being ‘utter bullshit’. I listed the most basic truths about Covid that I would say almost everyone believes. And you think that’s ‘absolute bullshit’. Again, this demonstrates what a complete headbanger you are. Bullshit that Covid is real. Bullshit that honest scientists have developed safe vaccines. Bullshit that the vaccines are very effective. All these uncontroversially true things are ‘absolute bullshit’. It’s all we need to know about the crazy place you are coming from. | |
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Third Covid Wave on 11:24 - Nov 7 with 1160 views | saint68 |
Third Covid Wave on 10:48 - Nov 7 by DorsetIan | I see you’re repeating the stat about over 80% vaccinated etc. I and many others have explained the maths about this to you many times. You’ve never responded to that (because even you can’t deny the truth of maths) but you keep repeating it. This alone proves what a total fraud you are. As for the rest of the post being ‘utter bullshit’. I listed the most basic truths about Covid that I would say almost everyone believes. And you think that’s ‘absolute bullshit’. Again, this demonstrates what a complete headbanger you are. Bullshit that Covid is real. Bullshit that honest scientists have developed safe vaccines. Bullshit that the vaccines are very effective. All these uncontroversially true things are ‘absolute bullshit’. It’s all we need to know about the crazy place you are coming from. |
Facts are facts. No vaccines 60000 deaths all in pretty much the over 65's With vaccines 80000 and climbing..demographics of those dying is now from teens to our eldest. I know it's a basic indicator..but there was less deaths in the fully unvaccinated country than now with..transmission is through the roof still...and people are dying and getting seriously ill just by having the jab Iin some instances. A poster on here the other day stated that they were thinking of not having the booster jab after listening to something about natural covid immunity being far greater...that poster oddly enough was......YOU. | |
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Third Covid Wave on 14:41 - Nov 7 with 1107 views | DorsetIan |
Third Covid Wave on 11:24 - Nov 7 by saint68 | Facts are facts. No vaccines 60000 deaths all in pretty much the over 65's With vaccines 80000 and climbing..demographics of those dying is now from teens to our eldest. I know it's a basic indicator..but there was less deaths in the fully unvaccinated country than now with..transmission is through the roof still...and people are dying and getting seriously ill just by having the jab Iin some instances. A poster on here the other day stated that they were thinking of not having the booster jab after listening to something about natural covid immunity being far greater...that poster oddly enough was......YOU. |
And frauds are frauds, and nutters are nutters. Your posts are nothing to do with truth and everything to do with trying to promote a ‘flat earth’ view of things. Covid is real. Doctors and scientists are honest, good people. And the vaccines work. Suck it up, you dissembling muppet. | |
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Third Covid Wave on 14:47 - Nov 7 with 1102 views | DorsetIan |
Third Covid Wave on 10:43 - Nov 7 by Jellybaby | If you actually tried being HONEST in your posts Ian, then maybe you wouldn't annoy so many people. Clearly no leaflet is going to tell children that if they take a jab they are going to die or get ill, but rather it will say there is a risk and that risk far outweighs the risk of a child getting covid and dying. That is fact. Even the tweedle dum to your tweedle dee (Berber) has long since distanced himself from this argument. You may find yourself the last man standing on this one Ian if you are not careful and I know how much you value your "Mr Normal" status....... |
Remind me who posted the disgusting cartoon on of the OAP wearing a child as protection against Covid? | |
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Third Covid Wave on 14:49 - Nov 7 with 1098 views | saint68 |
Third Covid Wave on 14:41 - Nov 7 by DorsetIan | And frauds are frauds, and nutters are nutters. Your posts are nothing to do with truth and everything to do with trying to promote a ‘flat earth’ view of things. Covid is real. Doctors and scientists are honest, good people. And the vaccines work. Suck it up, you dissembling muppet. |
You're absolutely full of It aren't you Ian. Gangs outside school with inflammatory information...you provide zero evidence again. Hesitancy to take yet another jab ...thats you..you state immunity Stronger with naturally occurring antibodies .ive stated that from the outset.. you have dismissed that at every opportunity .but you actually posted on another thread exactly what I've been saying in regards to that very issue. No coercion or manipulation...you've been busted on that by numerous posters.. You're a fraud Bubs..you ve been absolutely owned this week on countless posts. | |
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Third Covid Wave on 14:56 - Nov 7 with 1092 views | DorsetIan |
Third Covid Wave on 14:49 - Nov 7 by saint68 | You're absolutely full of It aren't you Ian. Gangs outside school with inflammatory information...you provide zero evidence again. Hesitancy to take yet another jab ...thats you..you state immunity Stronger with naturally occurring antibodies .ive stated that from the outset.. you have dismissed that at every opportunity .but you actually posted on another thread exactly what I've been saying in regards to that very issue. No coercion or manipulation...you've been busted on that by numerous posters.. You're a fraud Bubs..you ve been absolutely owned this week on countless posts. |
Covid is real. Scientists and doctors are honest. Vaccines work. And you, you complete nutcase, believe that’s all bullsh1t. Do you think I give a flying fart what your views are on my post or opinions? I can have a more intelligent discussion with a bucket of wallpaper paste. | |
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Third Covid Wave on 15:05 - Nov 7 with 1090 views | saint68 |
Third Covid Wave on 14:56 - Nov 7 by DorsetIan | Covid is real. Scientists and doctors are honest. Vaccines work. And you, you complete nutcase, believe that’s all bullsh1t. Do you think I give a flying fart what your views are on my post or opinions? I can have a more intelligent discussion with a bucket of wallpaper paste. |
That bucket will eventually tire of you, and then grow a skin thick enough to drown your bullshit out. | |
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Third Covid Wave on 19:35 - Nov 7 with 1038 views | Jellybaby |
Third Covid Wave on 14:47 - Nov 7 by DorsetIan | Remind me who posted the disgusting cartoon on of the OAP wearing a child as protection against Covid? |
Oh, do you want to censor satirical cartoons now? Why does that not surprise me? I think you make my argument on freedom and censorship for me Ian. | |
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Third Covid Wave on 20:04 - Nov 7 with 1023 views | DorsetIan |
Third Covid Wave on 19:35 - Nov 7 by Jellybaby | Oh, do you want to censor satirical cartoons now? Why does that not surprise me? I think you make my argument on freedom and censorship for me Ian. |
Who said anyting about censorship? You are completely paranoid about your 'freedoms'. No, I was just responding to your disingenuous comment that "Clearly no leaflet is going to tell children that if they take a jab they are going to die or get ill" when you yourself are posting the self same stuff. | |
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Third Covid Wave on 21:48 - Nov 7 with 998 views | Bicester_North |
Third Covid Wave on 09:34 - Nov 7 by DorsetIan | Stop knee-jerk contradicting everything I post. It’s flattering but boring. Handing a child a leaflet outside their school telling them (falsely) that they will die or get ill if they take a vaccine is clearly pressurising them using fear. I’ve seen nothing anywhere near that in terms of the vaccination of children in the UK. If you’ve seen the equivalent the other way then share it. |
I’m not sure what you mean about these child leaflets, but if you try and claim a fact like nobody feels pressured to have the vaccine, and do it in a smug and supercilious way, then you can’t expect to be unchallenged in your sneering Rees-Mogg manner. | |
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Third Covid Wave on 23:41 - Nov 7 with 966 views | DorsetIan |
Third Covid Wave on 21:48 - Nov 7 by Bicester_North | I’m not sure what you mean about these child leaflets, but if you try and claim a fact like nobody feels pressured to have the vaccine, and do it in a smug and supercilious way, then you can’t expect to be unchallenged in your sneering Rees-Mogg manner. |
The suggestion that any parent or child is being pressurised into the child having the vaccine is ridiculous. It’s not happening and it’s not up to me to prove a negative. Whereas the anti-vaxxers are out in force at school gates, as a quick google search of UK news outlets will show. The anti-vaxxers’ attempts to flip reality on its head are what need to be challenged. But as it’s really my tone that you don’t appreciate, I’m guessing the facts aren’t really that important. | |
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Third Covid Wave on 00:25 - Nov 8 with 955 views | Bicester_North |
Third Covid Wave on 23:41 - Nov 7 by DorsetIan | The suggestion that any parent or child is being pressurised into the child having the vaccine is ridiculous. It’s not happening and it’s not up to me to prove a negative. Whereas the anti-vaxxers are out in force at school gates, as a quick google search of UK news outlets will show. The anti-vaxxers’ attempts to flip reality on its head are what need to be challenged. But as it’s really my tone that you don’t appreciate, I’m guessing the facts aren’t really that important. |
I know teenagers who have felt pressured into having the vaccine because they think if they don’t, it will affect their social life or ability to travel and go to events. So what you said is complete and utter bullshit, but you present it as fact. I’m not aware of any protests at schools, where did this happen? | |
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Third Covid Wave on 05:49 - Nov 8 with 915 views | DorsetIan |
Third Covid Wave on 00:25 - Nov 8 by Bicester_North | I know teenagers who have felt pressured into having the vaccine because they think if they don’t, it will affect their social life or ability to travel and go to events. So what you said is complete and utter bullshit, but you present it as fact. I’m not aware of any protests at schools, where did this happen? |
Feeling pressurised and being pressured are two completely different things. (As anyone who has railed against snowflakes would know). There are currently no restrictions on under 18s that are unvaccinated in this country. And the fact that there are more freedoms available if you are vaccinated does not amount to being pressured. For foreign travel, for adults, for example it’s easier if you’re vaccinated but unvaccinated people can still travel, they just need more tests. Their choice. Certain occupations I understand require vaccination, but my comment was about children. You can google about the anti-vaxxer school visits when you’re ready. | |
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