Warnock rolls the dice on Dyer deal Wednesday, 13th Jul 2011 20:55 by Clive Whittingham
QPR have completed the signing of former England midfielder Kieron Dyer on a free transfer from relegated West Ham.
Facts
Kieron Dyer was one a clutch of exciting young players who graduated through Ipswich Town’s academy system in the mid to late 1990s – Darren Bent, Darren Ambrose and Titus Bramble three others worthy of mention. His early years in the Ipswich first team were spent dealing with the heartbreak of regular play off defeats. After failure on that front in 1999, his third full season in the first team, Dyer forced through a move to Newcastle for £6m.
Managed by Ruud Gullit at the time, Newcastle was a club with several problem children in its midst. Gullit went on to be replaced by Bobby Robson, who quickly returned to his former club Ipswich for the likes of Ambrose and Bramble, but at times found a dressing room with Dyer, Craig Bellamy and Lee Bowyer difficult to control. Dyer endured a frosty relationship with Robson, and things didn’t get a lot better under his successor Graeme Sounness with Dyer infamously sent off in a home match with Aston Villa for fighting with Bowyer despite being on the same team.
Dyer made 251 Newcastle appearances in eight years and won an impressive 33 full caps for England in that time as well. He joined West Ham in 2007 on a four year £60,000 a week contract at a time when the then Icelandic owned Hammers were throwing silly money at silly players left right and centre – Freddie Ljungberg another infamous example from that period. He’d already suffered badly with hamstring problems at Newcastle before West Ham paid £6m for him but at Upton Park he became a standing joke.
By the time he was released at the end of his deal this summer, with West Ham relegated, he had clocked up just 35 appearances (split almost equally between starts and subs) in four years. Through frustration and desperation 18 months ago David Sullivan went public saying Dyer should jack the game in. On £60,000 a week with 18 months still to go? Not likely mate.
Reaction
“I'm just delighted to be here. QPR are an ambitious club and when I sat down with Neil and he explained the vision for the club - specifically the hunger and the determination of the squad - I just wanted to be part of it. He totally sold the club to me. I've got something to prove after the couple of years I've had, but I feel good and I'm really looking forward to playing my part next season." - Kieron Dyer
"When a player of Kieron's ability becomes available, you'd be crazy not to be interested. As far as I'm concerned it's a gamble worth taking. He really impressed me in training and it looks like he has been working hard on his fitness throughout the summer. I instantly liked him when we met. You get feelings like that as a manager. He's had a lot of problems, but he's got something to prove. He's a hell of a good player and I still think he's got an opportunity to impress with us. He has a lot of experience and is desperate to play in the Premier League again. I like the hunger he's got and he wants to prove a point." - Neil Warnock
Personally I'm quietly excited about this signing. He's currently fit. If he stays fit the lad is a cut above the rest of our outfield players bar possibly Faurlin and Taraabt. If fit he's a top six club player in my opinion. I can remember when we signed Furlong he'd had a dreadful couple of years with injuries, but what a signing he proved to be in the end. Given how few 'miles on the clock' he has, if he is got right, there's a fair few years left in him.-Swiss Cottage
This is his chance to turn his career around and be a hero at Loftus Road. I think our signings are better than Norwich’s and Swansea’s to be honest and they've only cost us wages. Get DJ and Naughton and I think with Warnock’s management we've got a great chance of staying up if Taarabt doesn’t go. Fingers crossed. DaveR1979
Opinion
The success or failure of this deal will depend on the terms of Dyer’s contract. If he is on literally nothing from QPR unless he is fit and involved in the match at the end of the week then what do we have to lose? Here is a former England international, with a decade of Premiership experience, who can play in a variety of positions and has been a very good player down the years. If he is on any sort of basic at all then we’re absolute idiots. Idiots.
At the risk of being accused of “trawling through the dust filled archives for as many negatives as possible” for a second time today Dyer has a long history of being an absolute twat. At Newcastle, under legendary manager Bobby Robson, he was left out of a game at Middlesbrough after refusing the manager’s request for him to play wide on the right. When substituted on, in that position, during the match he infamously tossed aside the captain’s arm band when offered it by a substituted Alan Shearer. Later there came the on field dust up with his team mate Lee Bowyer in a match against Aston Villa. I’m sure we’d all like to throw a punch or three in Bowyer’s direction but both players were sent off for the incident, leaving Newcastle down to eight after an earlier red for Stephen Taylor. Then there’s the Rio Ferdinand sex video, still freely available, where Dyer serves as the opening act, leaning over at one point to whisper in his partner’s ear “what, what’s wrong with you now?”
Christ lads, we know we’re in the big time now, we’ve got a player with his own sex video.
Several respected football journos have said today that QPR have actually been very shrewd here, which is reassuring. The suggestion is Dyer has belatedly matured, realised exactly what he’s got as a professional footballer and how little time he has left to be one. The problem is now, even if that is the case, his body is failing him dramatically. He has been regularly held up as the example of “everything that is wrong with West Ham” in recent times because of his salary (£60,000 a week on a four year deal) and the number of games he’s actually been fit to take part in for that money (17 starts and 18 sub appearances in four years).
His salary doesn’t concern me. West Ham chose to pay him that money knowing that Dyer had often struggled with his hamstrings and other complaints while at St James’ Park. QPR have, for once, been very sensible and given Dyer a single year contract heavily weighted on appearances made. A blessed relief, given the continued presence of the likes of Rowan Vine on never ending lucrative deals at Loftus Road - mistakes have been learnt from it seems. But Warnock hasn’t brought Dyer here to carry the tea, presumably he has an idea of a team shape and pattern of play with Dyer in it. There are massive doubts over exactly how much use he will be to us this season, and how much swapping and changing of our team we’re going to have to do because of him. He’s certainly been no use at all to West Ham for the last four years.
Warnock is clearly working on a tight budget this summer, and to bring in Dyer and Jay Bothroyd today for free is fine work indeed. They’ve both got plenty of faults and issues, as has DJ Campbell who we’ve also been linked with, but you get what you pay for and if this is the hand of cards Warnock has been dealt then he’s going to have to hope a few gambles and punts pay off. Should we add Campbell for the £1.5m offer Blackpool have accepted from us, and pick up Kyle Naughton on loan from Spurs as Warnock has said today we are close to doing with a couple of other similarly cheap purchases then he’s done his very best to make us competitive on a shoestring budget. When you consider that Norwich have spent more than £6m now and only got Steve Morrison, Bradley Johnson, James Vaughan and Elliott Bennett for their money while we could end up with Bothroyd, Campbell, Naughton and Dyer for less than a third of that you can’t help but tip your hat to our manager once again.
This time last year Neil Warnock admitted he was taking a bit of a punt on Leon Clarke – another signing that, like Dyer, enthused few QPR fans and drew snorts of laughter from supporters of other clubs. That gamble didn’t pay off, let’s hope this one does.
I have a nice positive piece on DJ Campbell ready to go. In the meantime, for more misery, follow @loftforwords on Twitter.
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YorkRanger added 21:41 - Jul 13
Good Summary Clive - I think this is a good gamble. The difference between Dyer and Clarke is that Dyer has been a good player before not sure the same can be said of Clarke | | |
jo_qpr63 added 21:43 - Jul 13
35 games in 4 years !..getting him free is irrelavent, is he good enough now and fit enough to compete at the very highest level in one of the best leagues in the world... doubt it. would rather of had bowyer to be honest. Bothroyd a good signing though. | | |
Northernr added 21:47 - Jul 13
York - absolutely true, Leon Clarke has no apparent football ability whatsoever. He was a gamble for different reasons to Dyer. | | |
derbyhoop added 22:32 - Jul 13
Both today's signings have something to prove. No bad thing, imho. | | |
hoops123 added 22:58 - Jul 13
Warnock clearly sees something in him and doesn't suffer fools. Be surprised if he is no more than a bit part player. A lot depends on whether Tarbs stays and that is looking less and less likely. Shame, he could have shone in the premiership, crazy not to give it until at least Christmas. Here's hoping. | | |
Northernr added 23:00 - Jul 13
Taarabt returned to training with us today, which is slightly more promising. | | |
middlesexhoop added 23:19 - Jul 13
Clive, to quote yourself from a previous report, is this not a return to he QPR policy of signing perennially injured players in the hope they will become free scoring pictures of health? I certainly wish him all the best and will be right behind him but fear we will see very little of him. | | |
LambournR added 23:38 - Jul 13
I guess we now know why Wayne Routledge was sent back to Newcastle - NW had Dyer lined up. Worth a shot imho, but is picking Dyer up at the expense of WR the right decision. Is the transfer kitty going to be used to get us the defenders and defensive midfielder we desperately need? | | |
eastside_r added 01:06 - Jul 14
Some records claim that young Kieron’s expedition at WH cost them in region of £30m quid. This includes wages (perhaps £83k pw rather than the £60k reported here), transfer fee, agents fees, insurance and medical bills. These are probably all over-inflated for affect but the key number is 30 games played for the Purple People. I am sure everyone can do the Maths. However, I think NW has gained a reputation for polishing rough diamonds and KD has made enough money (surely?) to realise that this is some kind of redemption if it all turns out right at QPR. As Clive has said if this is mainly pay-per-play then this really is an excellent piece of business. Routledge’s loyalty to any club has to be questioned and Dyer can fit into a number of positions. There is also evidence that KD has matured somewhat and he certainly has something to prove. Does anyone remember the Football Stories doc on BBC a few years ago, featuring amongst other things Chuckle Brother Claridge managing Weymouth and sharing a house with some of his players (!?) I remember KD being one of the subjects and him going back to the West Indian Club in Ipswich, where despite having the piss taken out of him by several old Jamaican men playing dominoes for being a big-time Charlie, he proceeded to show off a watch which he claimed was worth more than his high-performance car. Obviously a young man with more money than sense then, but one of us now. Welcome Kierion. | | |
18StoneOfHoop added 03:36 - Jul 14
Great post eastside_r. I remember well that revealing excellent BBC documentary 'Football Stories 'chronicling Steve Claridge's one disasterous season as Weymouth manager in 2003/4.It was this programme that first alerted me to what a completely and utterly hopeless,inarticulate uninspiring,know-nothing fool SC really is.the receding peanut-head schmoozed Ian Ridley,The Independent football journalist Chairman,as he was later to impress BBC bosses for some unfathomable reason. Also remember that scene with Kieron Dyer playing dominoes back home in his Ipswich manor and later showing off his watch.KD came across as vacuous and venal as the next footie pro.Totally gutted I can't trace any extant footage on YouTube or elsewhere. Duck me,KD was blessed with an amazing amount of talent though.Electrifyingly quick and busy on the pitch ..an Uber Aaron Lennon maybe but with a subtler, cleverer touch..it's a crying shame how injuries have decimated his career.He was a trending twitter topic with twitterers all over the nation queueing to take the urine out of QPR & Dyer. Fingers crossed & a prayer to St.Jude he finds some fitness & form next season. [Superb spot on analysis by CW as per bleeding usual.] | | |
BrianMcCarthy added 07:28 - Jul 14
Fine article, Clive. Very informative for us exiles. "Christ lads, we know we’re in the big time now, we’ve got a player with his own sex video" - very true. | | |
Monahoop added 09:07 - Jul 14
Never been a fan of Dyer. Always considered him one of the 'Brat Pack' of the last decade. However if some on here say he has matured then so be it [ he needs to ]. Lets hope that maturity shows when he turns out for us for I would hate to see our side infiltrated with dummy throwing children,[ we already have a talented one of those ]. I suppose the only consolation here is we got him for nowt. | | |
DesertBoot added 09:10 - Jul 14
really unsure of this one initially. However reading the contractual details and Warnock's assessment of Dyer, I'm reasonably optimistic. | | |
GroveR added 09:59 - Jul 14
"Christ lads, we know we’re in the big time now, we’ve got a player with his own sex video." That reminds me of the Steve Ogrizovic sex tape which was ranked up there with ladies pooing out coke cans and donkey-bukkake in the all-time list of bizarre and horrific porn. As for Dyer, I'm having to defend this one to people at work lining up to take the piss with a rather tenuous "when-it's-ten-to-two-at-a-nightclub-the-ugly-bird's-always-an-option-as-she'll-be-grateful-for-the-attention" metaphor. It'll give the physios a bit of variety from old One Size though... | | |
westolian added 10:05 - Jul 14
This could be an excellent piece of business. When i've seen him play for West Ham, he's still looked sharp and lightning quick. IF (and a massive if) he stays fit, this could be inspired. In addition, i think Bothroyd has more to prove with us in the Prem to stay in the England squad than he did at the end of the season with Cardiff - both very interesting signings Agree that if we get Campbell and naughton, thats 4 potentially very good players and i wouldn't mind betting heres a coule more on top to come from NW. | | |
Neil_SI added 10:11 - Jul 14
A colleague at work, who supports Huddersfield, reckons they've got a deal worth around £2m for Pilkington from Norwich too. | | |
themodfather added 12:52 - Jul 14
of those 35 games in 4yrs..how many did he get injured playing in? he'll have a signing on fee no doubt...i recall once he was outstanding for england.i have concerns over the fitness, if west ham can't get him on the pitch, what makes us think we can? does this mean routledge not coming? | | |
Northernr added 13:08 - Jul 14
of the 35 games, half of them were as a sub, so it was only 16 starts in four years. | | |
ade_qpr added 15:10 - Jul 14
questions I ask is how will it affect the squad with one of the reasons for success last season was the tightness of the playing group? and what happens when the likes of Derry or Hill etc not big name players try to pull the big time charlies into line if they start acting like prawns? | | |
JB007007 added 07:57 - Jul 15
Keiron Dyer WAS a good player a few years ago and when fit. Very good managers have rated him, however I fear this will be a wasted signing and squad member. Neil Warnock is first class at making the right signings and picking the right players, but I hope this was purely down to him and his staff. Even if it was, what makes them sure that they can keep a terribly injury prone player of advancing years fit enough for the prem? | | |
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