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Luis Suarez has publicly admitted that he dives to win penalties. Brendan Rodgers says Luis Suarez's admission of diving is "unacceptable" and he will be dealt with "internally" by the club. What penalty should he be given, and why aren't the FA & Premier League and other authorities looking into this as well? I would fine him 2 weeks wages, and make him go to a children's hospital & give all the kids presents bought out of his own money. He is a total disgrace, and not what football needs. Football needs to be seen as fair & competitive, where all have a chance. It is not a sport where cheap stunts are acceptable. I know it has been going on for years, and many would applaud a QPR player diving to win a penalty, but it's just not how sport should be played.
It's not what you've got; it's where you stick it.
"Football is like that. Sometimes you do things on the field that later you think 'why the hell did I do that?'
"I was accused of falling inside the box in a match, and it's true I did it that time, because we were drawing against Stoke at home and we needed anything to win it.
"But after that everybody jumped out to talk - the Stoke coach and the Everton coach [David Moyes] - but the name Suarez sells [papers]."
I don't see how admission makes the crime worse, to be honest. I have very liitle respect for M'bia on account of his pathetic diving and an admission by him wouldn't make me feel any different about him. At a push, I might even think 'well at least you admitted it".
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
"Football is like that. Sometimes you do things on the field that later you think 'why the hell did I do that?'
"I was accused of falling inside the box in a match, and it's true I did it that time, because we were drawing against Stoke at home and we needed anything to win it.
"But after that everybody jumped out to talk - the Stoke coach and the Everton coach [David Moyes] - but the name Suarez sells [papers]."
I don't see how admission makes the crime worse, to be honest. I have very liitle respect for M'bia on account of his pathetic diving and an admission by him wouldn't make me feel any different about him. At a push, I might even think 'well at least you admitted it".
Is that him saying that Pulis and Moyes were out of order to have a go at him because they didn't know 100% that he dived? An event that he then admits too? Bizarre.
Is that him saying that Pulis and Moyes were out of order to have a go at him because they didn't know 100% that he dived? An event that he then admits too? Bizarre.
True! The whole diving thing stinks of hypocrisy, and it will until they start punishing it properly. A yellow card for a diver is no real sanction as most divers are attacking players who stand little chance of picking up a second yellow in the same game.
Add that to the fact that most people even within the game don't know the rules ("there was contact so he's entitled to go down" and all that...) and it's no wonder that diving has taken over.
Now, nobody mention Rodney, or Wegerle, or Sinton...
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
True! The whole diving thing stinks of hypocrisy, and it will until they start punishing it properly. A yellow card for a diver is no real sanction as most divers are attacking players who stand little chance of picking up a second yellow in the same game.
Add that to the fact that most people even within the game don't know the rules ("there was contact so he's entitled to go down" and all that...) and it's no wonder that diving has taken over.
Now, nobody mention Rodney, or Wegerle, or Sinton...
we must not talk of "Him", he may leave our game due to pressure or so someone said if he didn't CHEAT,DIVE,HANDLE the ball maybe he wouldn't get any attention and be recognised as a good player!? we accept some attitude here, cantona was nowty but seen as a great player best had issues and we loved him di canio blew gaskets often but we saw how much talent he had, but ol' ratty???
Wha the authorities should do is ban any player that dives. Lennon a few minutes in v Spurs for one.
If a player does it two or three times in a game, that's a two or three game ban. Keep doing it until the fukker stops or at least his manager tells him to stop.
But they won't because the PL in particular is a global brand and they'll do anything they can to keep that branding, including turning a blind eye.
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Luis Suarez (n/t) on 17:18 - Jan 17 with 1514 views
I think it’s important we re-assess values in Football. Is diving as bad a crime as going in over the top and possibly breaking a leg?
Years ago there was a lot to like about Football — cheaper seats, what I would class as proper Football tackles, players staying on their feet, no feigning injury. It was how I liked it. But there was also a lot not to like, long balls, ugly Football (keepers could pick up a back-pass for FFS) and where were the foreigners? Now we know Footballers are overpaid, the crowds are different, but the game on the pitch has changed just as much. We’ve seen an emergence of new skills and tricks, and this includes diving.
For me diving is now a skill in itself. It’s not one I like, but it’s one I accept will happen. I distinguish between blatant dives where nobody is even near them when they take a dive, and ones where a player has blatantly played for it and skilfully won it. The Southampton one the other day was clearly not a pen, but why as a defender dive in so recklessly? By doing this it presents an opportunity to go down and sure enough the Southampton guy did. Live I thought it was a pen. A few years back this would have enraged me, If playing on a Sunday morning and someone did similar I certainly would have needed to be restrained. However, as I’ve got older I’ve started to accept it’s a regular occurrence. Just as strikers are developing new tricks, so too are defenders. They need to know they can’t just stick a leg out, or slide in recklessly because players like Suarez are waiting to pounce. Defenders adapt their game and we’ll see less dodgy penalties, and more yellow cards for diving.
Now I don’t like diving, but throughout the world this is what Football has become, we need to acknowledge it’s there and accept it rather than waste our energy moaning at people for doing it. If Remy beats 2 people on Saturday, get’s the faintest of touches when in the box and goes down, we should acknowledge it as quality forward play and be thankful he had the skill to do it. We’ve all seen the lovable Jamie Mackie stay on his feet when all he has to do is hit the floor and we’ve got a penalty. Do we all admire his honesty or wish he had ‘the skill to win us a pen?’
If every Football player was honest then it would be a much better game, but they’re not. Rather than have a group of honest players, and a group of not so honest players, why not accept diving as a tactic, if caught out the referee has full support to punish the player involved (yellow card) and if they get away with it, accept the ref was fooled and it was a decent piece of trickery. Do you think Suarez has profited in the long run from diving? No, he’s now got a reputation and he pretty much has to be rugby tackled to the floor before a referee points to the spot. The same would happen with other players, they may win one or two, but once they get a rep it will be hard for them to shake it off. Ultimately it’s their call if they want to go for it or not.
I think it’s important we re-assess values in Football. Is diving as bad a crime as going in over the top and possibly breaking a leg?
Years ago there was a lot to like about Football — cheaper seats, what I would class as proper Football tackles, players staying on their feet, no feigning injury. It was how I liked it. But there was also a lot not to like, long balls, ugly Football (keepers could pick up a back-pass for FFS) and where were the foreigners? Now we know Footballers are overpaid, the crowds are different, but the game on the pitch has changed just as much. We’ve seen an emergence of new skills and tricks, and this includes diving.
For me diving is now a skill in itself. It’s not one I like, but it’s one I accept will happen. I distinguish between blatant dives where nobody is even near them when they take a dive, and ones where a player has blatantly played for it and skilfully won it. The Southampton one the other day was clearly not a pen, but why as a defender dive in so recklessly? By doing this it presents an opportunity to go down and sure enough the Southampton guy did. Live I thought it was a pen. A few years back this would have enraged me, If playing on a Sunday morning and someone did similar I certainly would have needed to be restrained. However, as I’ve got older I’ve started to accept it’s a regular occurrence. Just as strikers are developing new tricks, so too are defenders. They need to know they can’t just stick a leg out, or slide in recklessly because players like Suarez are waiting to pounce. Defenders adapt their game and we’ll see less dodgy penalties, and more yellow cards for diving.
Now I don’t like diving, but throughout the world this is what Football has become, we need to acknowledge it’s there and accept it rather than waste our energy moaning at people for doing it. If Remy beats 2 people on Saturday, get’s the faintest of touches when in the box and goes down, we should acknowledge it as quality forward play and be thankful he had the skill to do it. We’ve all seen the lovable Jamie Mackie stay on his feet when all he has to do is hit the floor and we’ve got a penalty. Do we all admire his honesty or wish he had ‘the skill to win us a pen?’
If every Football player was honest then it would be a much better game, but they’re not. Rather than have a group of honest players, and a group of not so honest players, why not accept diving as a tactic, if caught out the referee has full support to punish the player involved (yellow card) and if they get away with it, accept the ref was fooled and it was a decent piece of trickery. Do you think Suarez has profited in the long run from diving? No, he’s now got a reputation and he pretty much has to be rugby tackled to the floor before a referee points to the spot. The same would happen with other players, they may win one or two, but once they get a rep it will be hard for them to shake it off. Ultimately it’s their call if they want to go for it or not.
"Now I don’t like diving, but throughout the world this is what Football has become, we need to acknowledge it’s there and accept it rather than waste our energy moaning at people for doing it. If Remy beats 2 people on Saturday, get’s the faintest of touches when in the box and goes down, we should acknowledge it as quality forward play and be thankful he had the skill to do it."
Nope, don't agree. I fall over a lot. It doesn't ever look like skilled forward play. It looks like a grown man falling over for no reason. I do it on pavements, car parks, stairs, in the shower, practically everywhere. It'd be just as stupid if I did it on a football field. And I'd be a cheat too.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
I think it’s important we re-assess values in Football. Is diving as bad a crime as going in over the top and possibly breaking a leg?
Years ago there was a lot to like about Football — cheaper seats, what I would class as proper Football tackles, players staying on their feet, no feigning injury. It was how I liked it. But there was also a lot not to like, long balls, ugly Football (keepers could pick up a back-pass for FFS) and where were the foreigners? Now we know Footballers are overpaid, the crowds are different, but the game on the pitch has changed just as much. We’ve seen an emergence of new skills and tricks, and this includes diving.
For me diving is now a skill in itself. It’s not one I like, but it’s one I accept will happen. I distinguish between blatant dives where nobody is even near them when they take a dive, and ones where a player has blatantly played for it and skilfully won it. The Southampton one the other day was clearly not a pen, but why as a defender dive in so recklessly? By doing this it presents an opportunity to go down and sure enough the Southampton guy did. Live I thought it was a pen. A few years back this would have enraged me, If playing on a Sunday morning and someone did similar I certainly would have needed to be restrained. However, as I’ve got older I’ve started to accept it’s a regular occurrence. Just as strikers are developing new tricks, so too are defenders. They need to know they can’t just stick a leg out, or slide in recklessly because players like Suarez are waiting to pounce. Defenders adapt their game and we’ll see less dodgy penalties, and more yellow cards for diving.
Now I don’t like diving, but throughout the world this is what Football has become, we need to acknowledge it’s there and accept it rather than waste our energy moaning at people for doing it. If Remy beats 2 people on Saturday, get’s the faintest of touches when in the box and goes down, we should acknowledge it as quality forward play and be thankful he had the skill to do it. We’ve all seen the lovable Jamie Mackie stay on his feet when all he has to do is hit the floor and we’ve got a penalty. Do we all admire his honesty or wish he had ‘the skill to win us a pen?’
If every Football player was honest then it would be a much better game, but they’re not. Rather than have a group of honest players, and a group of not so honest players, why not accept diving as a tactic, if caught out the referee has full support to punish the player involved (yellow card) and if they get away with it, accept the ref was fooled and it was a decent piece of trickery. Do you think Suarez has profited in the long run from diving? No, he’s now got a reputation and he pretty much has to be rugby tackled to the floor before a referee points to the spot. The same would happen with other players, they may win one or two, but once they get a rep it will be hard for them to shake it off. Ultimately it’s their call if they want to go for it or not.
Why is diving any worse than any other intentional foul? it doesn't hurt people. and it is an attacker's way of making up for all the times their shirts are pulled unnoticed.
Sorry, cannot in anyway shape or form accept diving.
It's wrong, totally wrong.
edit: should we accept corruption, companies not paying UK Tax, abuse of human rights and animals by certain countries and so on just because "it happens". No, of course not. It's wrong and needs to be dealt with.
Why is diving any worse than any other intentional foul? it doesn't hurt people. and it is an attacker's way of making up for all the times their shirts are pulled unnoticed.
WUM alert! Where's the cheese?
edit: if it's diving then it's not an 'intentional foul' because the player was never fouled.
I really don't get the hatred for Suarez, he's got just the kind of "win at all costs" attitude we could do with more of.
If the laws aren't adequate to prevent diving being advantageous to players, change the laws. Retrospective bans for clear cases of diving would soon have an impact. Diving has evolved as a result of the rules (or interpretation of those rules) whereby refs give fouls for soft tackles which defenders might previously have got away with. There are 3 options:
1. Go back to allowing rougher play (offering less protection to skilful players) 2. Accept diving as a consequence of rules to protect attackers 3. Change the rules/punishments for diving.
Option 3 is the obvious solution - but football (read: Sepp Blatter) can be so slow to react.
But you will always get players like Suarez who will do whatever it takes to win - and fair play to him I say (maybe "fair play" was the wrong phrase!).
Sorry, cannot in anyway shape or form accept diving.
It's wrong, totally wrong.
edit: should we accept corruption, companies not paying UK Tax, abuse of human rights and animals by certain countries and so on just because "it happens". No, of course not. It's wrong and needs to be dealt with.
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Cricket. You nick a ball behind, don't walk, limited uproar about it. The line being , its up to the umpire to make the call. You can use the argument that cricket players get some rough calls so balances out but so do strikers. Look at corner kicks, often you see defenders bear hugging a striker and nothing's ever given. No hatred of this form of cheating. Then a defender dives in and a striker senses his chance and falls to the ground. Ultimately it's the refs call and a good one will spot it and book the striker. It's a risk the striker takes. I get annoyed at diving but I'm starting to accept it.
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Luis Suarez (n/t) on 18:52 - Jan 17 with 1359 views
a fair few pundits look like idiots after saying that he doesnt really dive. to say diving doesnt hurt anyone is bonkers, look at bales dive where he intended to get guzan sent off. if guzan had been sent off villa wouldve lost the game 4 or 5 nil and ended up getting relegated, its cheating end of story. as for players not walking when they knick the ball in cricket the commentators often hilight it and it can more often than not be reviewed, although that didnt work when graeme smith knicked the ball vs england on 2 occassions at wanderers, it got reviewed but the umpire didnt turn the volume on his headphones up!!! AB devilliers did the same later on!
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Luis Suarez (n/t) on 20:38 - Jan 17 with 1305 views
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