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The BBC reports today that a former TV producer who claimed to be journalist - and was therefore able to act in the public interest - was guilty of harassment against two survivors of the Manchester Arena attack.
Said alleged journalist claimed that the attack never happened; that many of the alleged victims were already dead by the time of the attack or were outside the UK; that his "analysis" was based on sound principles; that his tracing of victims of the attack to "check that they acted consistently with the injuries claimed" was reasonable; that the multiple videos and book he produced were not based entirely on a falsehood.
There are charges about breach of data protection which will be decided later.
This has echoes of the Sandy Hook mass killing in the USA which Alex Jones - a person with some right wing views - denied ever happened. He has been whacked with a huge fine and a promise of jail time if he does not pay.
I don't know what sanction the UK denier will get.
What drives these people?
Do they really think that it was possible to "stage" the bombing in Manchester in the middle of a concert attended by tens of thousands? Does he think that a public enquiry and ample evidence of life changing injuries to people are all false?
Or is this really all about him. He's a desperate narcissist who was never going to amount to much and so chose notoriety?
If I were young enough to retrain, I'd be interested in doing a PhD in how and why these people think as they do?
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Why do people deny mass killings? on 10:04 - Nov 18 with 1304 views
Why do people deny mass killings? on 20:41 - Oct 24 by Jellybaby
Thanks for your assumptions Ian, as usual they are wrong.
I did listen to the link, I found the young professor girl genuine enough - one of her points was that "everyone is a conspiracy theorist up to a point unless they believe everything they are told", I guess she has never met you!
Your continued use of the term "Lizards" is a cheap attempt to undermine those who believe there is corruption in high places. I may need to replace you with 901 as chief antagonist if you carry on like this.
We had many discussions over Covid vaccine safety and that if the average death was 82, why were they coercing younger people to have this and now we have the slow release of admission, see this link from the BBC, your thoughts?
Because nobody had a crystal ball at the time it happened you fecking idiot. Acting in a snowstorm of conflicting information so that the information on which the planning was based was stale within an hour meant that any politician -even poor ones - will be risk averse rather than have the sword of History hanging over them saying "They knew this but did nothing". The problem with the Covid reaction was poor execution and poor Governance but in the face of believeing that every hour wasted in talking was going to cost thousands of lives. It resulted in decisions that in hindsight were utter failuresm such as the stampede to procure poor quality PPE, but it wasn't all some kind of conspiracy, it was incompetence. WHat would be the purpose or the point of hatching some machiavellian disease? "To Control the population FFS?" Playing with statistics after the dust has settled is a particularly pointless task. young people pass Covid on to old people too, so considering what vaccines are you need to give them to enough of the population to stop it spreading person to person. THe maths of that have been explained enough times to show that merely vaccinating over 60s or over 70s or over 80s would not work. Jesus Christ it only happened 5 years ago and already the narrative is being rewritten by David Fecking Icke.
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Why do people deny mass killings? on 19:22 - Nov 18 with 1227 views
Why do people deny mass killings? on 10:04 - Nov 18 by GasGiant
Because nobody had a crystal ball at the time it happened you fecking idiot. Acting in a snowstorm of conflicting information so that the information on which the planning was based was stale within an hour meant that any politician -even poor ones - will be risk averse rather than have the sword of History hanging over them saying "They knew this but did nothing". The problem with the Covid reaction was poor execution and poor Governance but in the face of believeing that every hour wasted in talking was going to cost thousands of lives. It resulted in decisions that in hindsight were utter failuresm such as the stampede to procure poor quality PPE, but it wasn't all some kind of conspiracy, it was incompetence. WHat would be the purpose or the point of hatching some machiavellian disease? "To Control the population FFS?" Playing with statistics after the dust has settled is a particularly pointless task. young people pass Covid on to old people too, so considering what vaccines are you need to give them to enough of the population to stop it spreading person to person. THe maths of that have been explained enough times to show that merely vaccinating over 60s or over 70s or over 80s would not work. Jesus Christ it only happened 5 years ago and already the narrative is being rewritten by David Fecking Icke.
Gas Mate, why the big histrionics?
If I'm an effing idiot don't listen to me, if you are happy living in Clown World being governed by ridiculous megalomaniacs, then knock yourself out.
Question nothing - except of course those that question your supreme infallible leaders who always treat you like a kindly benevolent parent. Is that how you really see it?
If you prefer cock up over conspiracy that's fine, it makes no difference to me. Enjoy your evening fella - I could recommend a good film from 2011, which predicts Convid 1984 with startling accuracy. Here's the trailer;
I wholly disapprove of what you say and will defend to the death your right to say it.
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Why do people deny mass killings? on 21:42 - Nov 18 with 1197 views
Why do people deny mass killings? on 19:22 - Nov 18 by Jellybaby
Gas Mate, why the big histrionics?
If I'm an effing idiot don't listen to me, if you are happy living in Clown World being governed by ridiculous megalomaniacs, then knock yourself out.
Question nothing - except of course those that question your supreme infallible leaders who always treat you like a kindly benevolent parent. Is that how you really see it?
If you prefer cock up over conspiracy that's fine, it makes no difference to me. Enjoy your evening fella - I could recommend a good film from 2011, which predicts Convid 1984 with startling accuracy. Here's the trailer;
What drugs are you on?
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Why do people deny mass killings? on 19:14 - Nov 19 with 1095 views
Why do people deny mass killings? on 21:42 - Nov 18 by kentsouthampton
What drugs are you on?
Kent, my friend, as this is your third unanswered post to me, I guess you are trying to engage, but your debating skills are so under developed, consisting of abuse, insults, untruths (Rich D Hall does not believe in flat earth) and insinuations, it's hard to get the enthusiasm to join in. If, however you up your game, I promise to give you the time of day.
I wholly disapprove of what you say and will defend to the death your right to say it.
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Why do people deny mass killings? on 09:30 - Nov 20 with 1031 views
Why do people deny mass killings? on 19:14 - Nov 19 by Jellybaby
Kent, my friend, as this is your third unanswered post to me, I guess you are trying to engage, but your debating skills are so under developed, consisting of abuse, insults, untruths (Rich D Hall does not believe in flat earth) and insinuations, it's hard to get the enthusiasm to join in. If, however you up your game, I promise to give you the time of day.
Look at the film you're so in awe of noddy, you do know there have already been six known COVID outbreaks with the last being in 1889, it's hardly a stretch to rename it convid and it's even less of a stretch to come up with the pandemic idea given there's usually a global one every 100 years or so. What sort of cretins think this film is proof FFS.
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Why do people deny mass killings? on 15:39 - Nov 20 with 953 views
Why do people deny mass killings? on 09:30 - Nov 20 by kentsouthampton
Look at the film you're so in awe of noddy, you do know there have already been six known COVID outbreaks with the last being in 1889, it's hardly a stretch to rename it convid and it's even less of a stretch to come up with the pandemic idea given there's usually a global one every 100 years or so. What sort of cretins think this film is proof FFS.
I can see this is going to be hard work.
Insults and affected incredulity do not add any force to your arguments.
Did I say I was in awe (or thought it proof) of some second rate Hollywood predictive programming film, I hardly think so.
If I don't believe in the convid scamdemic I have just lived through was genuine, why do you think I would believe in the other six, the first of which was hilariously apparently 21 000 years ago!!
I wholly disapprove of what you say and will defend to the death your right to say it.
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Why do people deny mass killings? on 16:29 - Nov 20 with 939 views
Why do people deny mass killings? on 15:39 - Nov 20 by Jellybaby
I can see this is going to be hard work.
Insults and affected incredulity do not add any force to your arguments.
Did I say I was in awe (or thought it proof) of some second rate Hollywood predictive programming film, I hardly think so.
If I don't believe in the convid scamdemic I have just lived through was genuine, why do you think I would believe in the other six, the first of which was hilariously apparently 21 000 years ago!!
Honest question do you genuinely believe this stuff you write? I mean I don't think i could write "scamdemic" or "predictive programming" and keep a straight face to be honest.
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Why do people deny mass killings? on 17:24 - Nov 20 with 909 views
Why do people deny mass killings? on 08:59 - Oct 24 by saint901
I have read the decision of the Court and the pleadings made on behalf of the victims and the alleged journalist.
I've read the fact that he stalked victims - used what were at best shoddy analytics - was selective in what materials he claimed to believe and which not.
I think narcissist is actually being kind to him. I could have used some of the words that his victims used such as deranged, delusional, parasite.
Let me ask you a direct question Mr J.
Do you think a bomb went off in the Manchester Arena and that 22 people were killed and many more injured?
Weird that people so blindly believe the garbage in the media, the state and the made up stories in places like the BBC without any actual evidence. The good old Jimmy Saville and Cliff Richard pedophile protectors. You can trust them right?!? Weird that anyone would just believe what the news tells them, unquestioningly after the last 4 years. Whilst to still be good little subservient slaves and do what your told. And then they defend their masters whilst being humiliated, made poorer and poisoned. To note, the court never found that Hall made things up, only that he harrassed supposed victims and caused them hurty feelings. They never allowed Hall to present his evidence at all. Don't you find that odd? If he was making stuff up, wouldn't you just let him present his evidence, show what the State has to counter it and case closed. But no, instead they go after the man. like always, with bluff and propaganda. Like all these mugs who believe the Salisbury Novichok was really a Russian action. Or that a few crazy Islamics really blew up the twin towers (and building 7, which wasn't hit by anything and a BBC news presenter called it before it happened) with planes because we found one of their passports at the scene. If you didn't laugh at how gullible so many of you are, you would cry.
Why do people deny mass killings? on 17:24 - Nov 20 by StRipper
Weird that people so blindly believe the garbage in the media, the state and the made up stories in places like the BBC without any actual evidence. The good old Jimmy Saville and Cliff Richard pedophile protectors. You can trust them right?!? Weird that anyone would just believe what the news tells them, unquestioningly after the last 4 years. Whilst to still be good little subservient slaves and do what your told. And then they defend their masters whilst being humiliated, made poorer and poisoned. To note, the court never found that Hall made things up, only that he harrassed supposed victims and caused them hurty feelings. They never allowed Hall to present his evidence at all. Don't you find that odd? If he was making stuff up, wouldn't you just let him present his evidence, show what the State has to counter it and case closed. But no, instead they go after the man. like always, with bluff and propaganda. Like all these mugs who believe the Salisbury Novichok was really a Russian action. Or that a few crazy Islamics really blew up the twin towers (and building 7, which wasn't hit by anything and a BBC news presenter called it before it happened) with planes because we found one of their passports at the scene. If you didn't laugh at how gullible so many of you are, you would cry.
LOL another nutter.
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Why do people deny mass killings? on 09:31 - Nov 21 with 772 views
Why do people deny mass killings? on 16:29 - Nov 20 by franniesTache
Honest question do you genuinely believe this stuff you write? I mean I don't think i could write "scamdemic" or "predictive programming" and keep a straight face to be honest.
Yes of course. Honest question back, how long do you think you can cling to the wreckage of the old world paradigm You are a thinking man Frannie, you must see you are living in Clown World surely, what's your tipping point?
You already know that the wars are futile money making rackets which send working class kids in to the meat grinder whilst the Elites get richer. You also know there are supranational organisations way above national politics making decisions. You know American politics is pure theatre. You just need to join up a few more dots. You can do this Frannie, go on, one big leap of faith and you are there.......
I wholly disapprove of what you say and will defend to the death your right to say it.
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Why do people deny mass killings? on 09:40 - Nov 21 with 764 views
Why do people deny mass killings? on 17:24 - Nov 20 by StRipper
Weird that people so blindly believe the garbage in the media, the state and the made up stories in places like the BBC without any actual evidence. The good old Jimmy Saville and Cliff Richard pedophile protectors. You can trust them right?!? Weird that anyone would just believe what the news tells them, unquestioningly after the last 4 years. Whilst to still be good little subservient slaves and do what your told. And then they defend their masters whilst being humiliated, made poorer and poisoned. To note, the court never found that Hall made things up, only that he harrassed supposed victims and caused them hurty feelings. They never allowed Hall to present his evidence at all. Don't you find that odd? If he was making stuff up, wouldn't you just let him present his evidence, show what the State has to counter it and case closed. But no, instead they go after the man. like always, with bluff and propaganda. Like all these mugs who believe the Salisbury Novichok was really a Russian action. Or that a few crazy Islamics really blew up the twin towers (and building 7, which wasn't hit by anything and a BBC news presenter called it before it happened) with planes because we found one of their passports at the scene. If you didn't laugh at how gullible so many of you are, you would cry.
"They never allowed Hall to present his evidence at all. Don't you find that odd? If he was making stuff up, wouldn't you just let him present his evidence, show what the State has to counter it and case closed".
Yes, this is odd. They appear to be making an example of him on a technicality, as in this is what happens if you question the state.
If there is nothing to hide, why not let him show the evidence? What is clear is the state are not playing with a straight bat as per usual.
I wholly disapprove of what you say and will defend to the death your right to say it.
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Why do people deny mass killings? on 10:42 - Nov 21 with 731 views
Why do people deny mass killings? on 09:40 - Nov 21 by Jellybaby
"They never allowed Hall to present his evidence at all. Don't you find that odd? If he was making stuff up, wouldn't you just let him present his evidence, show what the State has to counter it and case closed".
Yes, this is odd. They appear to be making an example of him on a technicality, as in this is what happens if you question the state.
If there is nothing to hide, why not let him show the evidence? What is clear is the state are not playing with a straight bat as per usual.
Next you'll be telling us the black death was made up and Samuel Pepys was a WEF plant. On that subject, back in the day the religious nut jobs had all the physicians who had worked out it was being spread by the fleas on rats reputations tarnished , people like you are the modern day equivalent of those nutters.
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Why do people deny mass killings? on 10:52 - Nov 21 with 721 views
Why do people deny mass killings? on 09:40 - Nov 21 by Jellybaby
"They never allowed Hall to present his evidence at all. Don't you find that odd? If he was making stuff up, wouldn't you just let him present his evidence, show what the State has to counter it and case closed".
Yes, this is odd. They appear to be making an example of him on a technicality, as in this is what happens if you question the state.
If there is nothing to hide, why not let him show the evidence? What is clear is the state are not playing with a straight bat as per usual.
You clearly have not read or have failed to understand the court case. Hall was found guilty of making false allegations against people and for harassing victims families including filming people outside their homes. The Judge in summing up said the case was not about Halls opinions which she stated although she found them ridiculous he was free to express them but in doing so could not harass or make false statements directly against people in contravention of existing laws.
“Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously'
Why do people deny mass killings? on 10:52 - Nov 21 by Heisenberg
You clearly have not read or have failed to understand the court case. Hall was found guilty of making false allegations against people and for harassing victims families including filming people outside their homes. The Judge in summing up said the case was not about Halls opinions which she stated although she found them ridiculous he was free to express them but in doing so could not harass or make false statements directly against people in contravention of existing laws.
Wasting your breath, they don't do actual facts.
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Why do people deny mass killings? on 13:39 - Nov 21 with 662 views
Why do people deny mass killings? on 10:52 - Nov 21 by Heisenberg
You clearly have not read or have failed to understand the court case. Hall was found guilty of making false allegations against people and for harassing victims families including filming people outside their homes. The Judge in summing up said the case was not about Halls opinions which she stated although she found them ridiculous he was free to express them but in doing so could not harass or make false statements directly against people in contravention of existing laws.
My understanding was that Hall was not allowed to show video supporting evidence for the allegations as it involved showing footage that he said revealed that the event was staged. The narrowness of the charges meaning he couldn't defend himself effectively. The harassment charge seems to be an error of judgement on his part - middle aged man spying on young girl is not a good look. - I don't want to blow your mind Heisy, but he could be a deep state asset, as if the state wants to cover up they don't usually give these events the oxygen of publicity, however the end result being, as with the Alex Jones case, don't ever question the official narrative or you will be made to pay. This is the very clear message coming through from all this.
Out of interest Heisy I know you are left leaning, do you believe the Trump assassination attempt was staged?
I wholly disapprove of what you say and will defend to the death your right to say it.
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Why do people deny mass killings? on 15:47 - Nov 21 with 622 views
Why do people deny mass killings? on 13:39 - Nov 21 by Jellybaby
My understanding was that Hall was not allowed to show video supporting evidence for the allegations as it involved showing footage that he said revealed that the event was staged. The narrowness of the charges meaning he couldn't defend himself effectively. The harassment charge seems to be an error of judgement on his part - middle aged man spying on young girl is not a good look. - I don't want to blow your mind Heisy, but he could be a deep state asset, as if the state wants to cover up they don't usually give these events the oxygen of publicity, however the end result being, as with the Alex Jones case, don't ever question the official narrative or you will be made to pay. This is the very clear message coming through from all this.
Out of interest Heisy I know you are left leaning, do you believe the Trump assassination attempt was staged?
So if he's got all this proof why isn't it on you tube? Why are not any of the papers picking it up, are you saying the Guardian is in the pay of the WEF crowd?
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Why do people deny mass killings? on 18:55 - Nov 21 with 583 views
Why do people deny mass killings? on 13:39 - Nov 21 by Jellybaby
My understanding was that Hall was not allowed to show video supporting evidence for the allegations as it involved showing footage that he said revealed that the event was staged. The narrowness of the charges meaning he couldn't defend himself effectively. The harassment charge seems to be an error of judgement on his part - middle aged man spying on young girl is not a good look. - I don't want to blow your mind Heisy, but he could be a deep state asset, as if the state wants to cover up they don't usually give these events the oxygen of publicity, however the end result being, as with the Alex Jones case, don't ever question the official narrative or you will be made to pay. This is the very clear message coming through from all this.
Out of interest Heisy I know you are left leaning, do you believe the Trump assassination attempt was staged?
‘Middle aged man spying on young girls is not a good look’ !!!!!!
No need to say anything else. I won’t reply.
“Life has become immeasurably better since I have been forced to stop taking it seriously'
Why do people deny mass killings? on 15:47 - Nov 21 by kentsouthampton
So if he's got all this proof why isn't it on you tube? Why are not any of the papers picking it up, are you saying the Guardian is in the pay of the WEF crowd?
Because YouTube would censor it.
Yes, I am saying that The Guardian and The Telegraph et al are in the pay of the predator class.
They can de-platform, de-monetise you in an instant and they do it all the time, Bob Moran and Maajid Nawaz are two good examples of Journos who have stepped out of line and lost their jobs in that industry.
I wholly disapprove of what you say and will defend to the death your right to say it.
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Why do people deny mass killings? on 23:33 - Nov 21 with 523 views
Why do people deny mass killings? on 18:55 - Nov 21 by Heisenberg
‘Middle aged man spying on young girls is not a good look’ !!!!!!
No need to say anything else. I won’t reply.
Badly done Heisy old boy, badly done. Firstly you misquote me, I said girl not girls and you wrest it out of context, secondly with your mock shock you insinuate something that isn't there and thirdly you manufacture a situation, as you always do to sidestep having to answer a direct question. Ironically you'd make a good sniper Heisy.
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Why do people deny mass killings? on 21:27 - Nov 22 with 394 views
Why do people deny mass killings? on 23:33 - Nov 21 by Jellybaby
Badly done Heisy old boy, badly done. Firstly you misquote me, I said girl not girls and you wrest it out of context, secondly with your mock shock you insinuate something that isn't there and thirdly you manufacture a situation, as you always do to sidestep having to answer a direct question. Ironically you'd make a good sniper Heisy.
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Your man's a peeping tom stalkery, peado nonce then,LOL.
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Why do people deny mass killings? on 23:54 - Nov 22 with 366 views
Why do people deny mass killings? on 09:37 - Nov 18 by kentsouthampton
Shakes head in disbelief, would you like to buy some shares in a unicorn farm?
Shares in a Unicorn farm you say? You piqued my interest, how much? But I must tell you it’s a deal breaker if they have had any vaccinations or use 5G
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Why do people deny mass killings? on 10:06 - Nov 23 with 301 views
Why do people deny mass killings? on 09:37 - Nov 23 by kentsouthampton
So spying on one young girl is all good then, strange world you live in.
You really are tedious Kent, aren't you. You know full well you have attributed to me the exact opposite to what I have said. It's been like debating with a four year old. Stick to football Kent. Enjoy your Saturday
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Why do people deny mass killings? on 14:54 - Nov 23 with 267 views
Why do people deny mass killings? on 10:06 - Nov 23 by Jellybaby
You really are tedious Kent, aren't you. You know full well you have attributed to me the exact opposite to what I have said. It's been like debating with a four year old. Stick to football Kent. Enjoy your Saturday
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