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Ask yourselves this and please respond if you wish
Why would an investment group purchase a football Club in another country with no previous even tenuous connections to that Club ? If you're not sure then consider this and within that group a set of individuals who may have more money than they know what to do with other than to make more
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
Of course an over reaction , most posters on forums ( the exception of one or those who use 30 words when 10 will do ) tend to post with a comment no more than 4 or 5 lines and within that comment tend to use a colloquial term when describing people , eg sellouts Jenkins & co , Yanks the owners , nothing to do with judging them because of where they come from that's in your head, and certainly not mine nor many others I know who follow the Club . You're the only one I know who refers to them using their christian name such as "Jason" which you've used a few times recently when defending the yanks corner , "Swansea's American Owner's "title as far as I'm aware is only been used in the media as a headline . By the way I'm still waiting for you response and evidence showing just how proactive our absent owners have been
Zero overreaction and will stand by it always, because it’s correct.
It’s far quicker to say “owners” than “American owners”.
Exhibit A:
Now let’s say that was Bony, and someone said “stupid African, go back to Africa”. How do you think that would be viewed?
Exhibit B:
Have a count how many times they are referred to as “Swansea owners” or “owners” as opposed to “American owners“.
Let me know the count.
As for the evidence regarding their enthusiasm, you had it within minutes, read it again.
Swansea Independent Poster of the Year 2021 and 2022.
So by your reckonings it is all down to the manager and no blame for the owners? Not even for appointing him ? I think they are certainly guilty of not being decisive in the January window either back him or sack him, not doing either.. To lay all the blame at Martin's feet is grossly unfair
I agree STID It might not be too keen on Russ but I feel for him a little,only a little though
I would have wanted players sorted by mid Jan and a goalkeeper seen as a certainty
So by your reckonings it is all down to the manager and no blame for the owners? Not even for appointing him ? I think they are certainly guilty of not being decisive in the January window either back him or sack him, not doing either.. To lay all the blame at Martin's feet is grossly unfair
Not sure what you mean by “all down to him”.
What do you regard as “all”?
Appointing him, I don’t blame anyone for. I was excited too, said it could be a good fit and was all for the appointment.
Not backing him is a silly thing to say, we have spent more in the last 18 months than any other 18 month period in the clubs football league history. He’s been given millions to spend on players from his past club and been given almost a whole new squad to work with.
Not sacking him is not a gripe I can lay at their feet either, I wouldn’t sack him either until the end of the season. It’s probably too late now this season and never think you should criticise owners for giving a manager time to prove his worth.
If I was to blame the owners for things they would be:
- appointing Bob Bradley 6 seasons ago - not getting in the required striker a couple of January’s ago
After that I’m struggling to think of anything we can genuinely put at their door.
Now if I made a Martin list, it would probably get into double figures. We are here because of Martins incompetent management, nothing else.
Any attempts to deflect from that is simply an act of defiant desperation.
Swansea Independent Poster of the Year 2021 and 2022.
So by your reckonings it is all down to the manager and no blame for the owners? Not even for appointing him ? I think they are certainly guilty of not being decisive in the January window either back him or sack him, not doing either.. To lay all the blame at Martin's feet is grossly unfair
I can't see what he has posted and don't care, but the majority of supporters know where the blame lies and that's the owners, Potter said it, Cooper said it or are they both wrong.
So by your reckonings it is all down to the manager and no blame for the owners? Not even for appointing him ? I think they are certainly guilty of not being decisive in the January window either back him or sack him, not doing either.. To lay all the blame at Martin's feet is grossly unfair
OK
The owners should never have let HJ continue with the autonomy he had The ownership are guilty of appoinitng the manager and should have called him to task way before now
What has he achieved during his 18 moth reign his two immediate predecessors managed an FA cup quarter final where we were robbed of a win and two play off scenarios.
Martin has achieved zilch midtable mediocrity, appears to have upset players, and "refused" to even play some signings
The manager has failed in his game management on numerous occasions snatching defeat from the jaws of victory in the dying minutes of far too many games!
I can't see what he has posted and don't care, but the majority of supporters know where the blame lies and that's the owners, Potter said it, Cooper said it or are they both wrong.
Or did neither say it?
These myths are coming thick and fast.
Swansea Independent Poster of the Year 2021 and 2022.
Not an overreaction at all, people judge them by their country of origin. They are rarely described as “Swansea owners”, it’s always “Swanseas American owners” or “Yanks” when saying something disparaging.
Show me someone who has referred to our management team as “Swanseas English management team” or “the Saes”. Or when Wood lines up next to Darling, do people call them “the English CB’s”?
Of course they don’t. They are being made out to be stupid because they are American, to the point we have some morons even saying they didn’t even know you could be relegated from the EPL.
If others were making the same point about African players, there would be uproar, and rightly so.
If the above (didn’t know there was relegation) is not a vindictive lie, then show me. Got any evidence?
The cult is the Russell Martin love train, that continues regardless of his performance. If there is a chance to blame someone else (anyone at all) it’s taken with lightning quick speed. Anything to absolve “Mr Bottom Half” of any culpability - it’s one of the most bizarre things I’ve ever seen in football in 30 years.
So no actual evidence ( as you like asking for evidence / proof etc) Just your opinions. Okay then.
"Sanity and happiness are an impossible combination" - Mark Twain
The owners should never have let HJ continue with the autonomy he had The ownership are guilty of appoinitng the manager and should have called him to task way before now
What has he achieved during his 18 moth reign his two immediate predecessors managed an FA cup quarter final where we were robbed of a win and two play off scenarios.
Martin has achieved zilch midtable mediocrity, appears to have upset players, and "refused" to even play some signings
The manager has failed in his game management on numerous occasions snatching defeat from the jaws of victory in the dying minutes of far too many games!
MK Dons owners fault too I reckon.
Such a shame everyone holding this managerial behemoth back from achieving anything of note, a top half finish even.
Poor guy.
Swansea Independent Poster of the Year 2021 and 2022.
Presumably you just agree with all his points then ? Or do you have anything constructive to add to it rather than your throwaway remark ?
Morris and Arriola are 'Yankee crocks'. They were fit for a while. Morgan Gibbs White was never a 'Saes crock'. Swansea saw him for 4 games got him fit and he said bye bye turning out for a promotion rival.
Presumably you just agree with all his points then ? Or do you have anything constructive to add to it rather than your throwaway remark ?
I have made various points about Martin
Refer to my comments over his substitutions on Saturday....He could/should have in on sub event brought on an experienced defender in Naughton for Cullen who was tiring and Whittaker for NAtcham adding some pace instead he brought on cundle rejigged and put Oil Cooper at RWB!
Making that change would have left the opportunity to bring on 3 more subs in 2 events.....its not the first ime your idol has mismanaged the game resulting in us snatching defeat from the jaws of victory
Im sure Martin is anice man and does work hard but the results show it isnt working and has nt in his past.....Iv have come across many nice guys who worked hard in my career but the results show their ineptness at their jobs....being nice and hard working doesnt always equate to success
Im not an avid fan of our owners but they what we have got......and will be a lot harder to replace than a manager!
We are still in the 2nd tier 5 seasons after falling from the 1st tier, and appear to financially stable.....you like me will remember how things were the last time we fell from the top table within 5 seasons we were back at the bottom....
Maybe the owners have lsot patience with the manager....maybe they decided they were not going to shell out on players he may or may not play....
It wasnt meant as a throwaway remark but apply to comments made about Martin....who as I said may well be a hard working nice man but that doesnt mean he is a good manager
Zero overreaction and will stand by it always, because it’s correct.
It’s far quicker to say “owners” than “American owners”.
Exhibit A:
Now let’s say that was Bony, and someone said “stupid African, go back to Africa”. How do you think that would be viewed?
Exhibit B:
Have a count how many times they are referred to as “Swansea owners” or “owners” as opposed to “American owners“.
Let me know the count.
As for the evidence regarding their enthusiasm, you had it within minutes, read it again.
For someone who previously stated they do not partake in social media platforms such as Facebook or Twitter, yiu found that one quickly. However I think we are discussing SI posters on here. I know for a fact such language as used in that would not be allowed on here. The second piece of "evidence " is also from an outside media, so again it cannot be used to evidence your claims and bavk up your earlier post. Neither are examples of language or phrases largely used by poster on SI Twitter in particular is often
"Sanity and happiness are an impossible combination" - Mark Twain
The owners should never have let HJ continue with the autonomy he had The ownership are guilty of appoinitng the manager and should have called him to task way before now
What has he achieved during his 18 moth reign his two immediate predecessors managed an FA cup quarter final where we were robbed of a win and two play off scenarios.
Martin has achieved zilch midtable mediocrity, appears to have upset players, and "refused" to even play some signings
The manager has failed in his game management on numerous occasions snatching defeat from the jaws of victory in the dying minutes of far too many games!
They appointed him because he can make young players better and then they can be sold for a profit, not because he can get us back to the PL.
But you don't want to believe that because you love bashing the manager.
Morris and Arriola are 'Yankee crocks'. They were fit for a while. Morgan Gibbs White was never a 'Saes crock'. Swansea saw him for 4 games got him fit and he said bye bye turning out for a promotion rival.
Despite not being what he wanted Cooper still gave game time to both Morris and Arriola..unlike MArtin who refused to play Finn Stevens, Ogebeta and restircted Oki Flex
Refer to my comments over his substitutions on Saturday....He could/should have in on sub event brought on an experienced defender in Naughton for Cullen who was tiring and Whittaker for NAtcham adding some pace instead he brought on cundle rejigged and put Oil Cooper at RWB!
Making that change would have left the opportunity to bring on 3 more subs in 2 events.....its not the first ime your idol has mismanaged the game resulting in us snatching defeat from the jaws of victory
Im sure Martin is anice man and does work hard but the results show it isnt working and has nt in his past.....Iv have come across many nice guys who worked hard in my career but the results show their ineptness at their jobs....being nice and hard working doesnt always equate to success
Im not an avid fan of our owners but they what we have got......and will be a lot harder to replace than a manager!
We are still in the 2nd tier 5 seasons after falling from the 1st tier, and appear to financially stable.....you like me will remember how things were the last time we fell from the top table within 5 seasons we were back at the bottom....
Maybe the owners have lsot patience with the manager....maybe they decided they were not going to shell out on players he may or may not play....
It wasnt meant as a throwaway remark but apply to comments made about Martin....who as I said may well be a hard working nice man but that doesnt mean he is a good manager
So is the problem the manager, the owner or both. Potter was not happy with the owners and left as did Cooper, both have progressed. I would say both are the issue but we need to deal with the owners, because if they stay we will never have progressive successful managers.
For someone who previously stated they do not partake in social media platforms such as Facebook or Twitter, yiu found that one quickly. However I think we are discussing SI posters on here. I know for a fact such language as used in that would not be allowed on here. The second piece of "evidence " is also from an outside media, so again it cannot be used to evidence your claims and bavk up your earlier post. Neither are examples of language or phrases largely used by poster on SI Twitter in particular is often
There is a search function at the top, very easy, and you don’t have to be part of those types of platforms to utilise such functions. Technology eh?
What makes you think we are discussing SI users? I’m discussing the whole Swansea fan base that use these descriptive words as a pejorative. Even pushing the myth that they didn’t know you could be relegated, which of course is a lazy trope based on their origin.
Would you like me to use your “Yanks out” thread as evidence?
Although you do have form for these kinds of slurs.
Swansea Independent Poster of the Year 2021 and 2022.
They appointed him because he can make young players better and then they can be sold for a profit, not because he can get us back to the PL.
But you don't want to believe that because you love bashing the manager.
What like destroying Congraves confidence earlier this season,,,,,taking Oki Flex off when he was a threat.....
what players will be sold this season for a profit due to Martins improvement?
One player Downes who was already seen as "special" before he came here he just needed a season in the Championship to prove his worth
Saturdays mismanagement of the subs sums it up....why not use the experienced defender on the bench to shore up the defence and help the young defence?
No instead he put a young inexperienced attacking midfielder into a position he has not played in at RWB...withihn minutes Russ could see he had got it wrong.....what history has he of making young players better and selling them on?
So is the problem the manager, the owner or both. Potter was not happy with the owners and left as did Cooper, both have progressed. I would say both are the issue but we need to deal with the owners, because if they stay we will never have progressive successful managers.
Potter spent a record amount in a single season, wasn’t he given £7m to spend?
He left because a Premier League club came calling, but let’s not facts get in the way of a xenophobic witch hunt.
Swansea Independent Poster of the Year 2021 and 2022.
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