| Graeme Souness. 11:03 - Aug 15 with 11323 views | Snipper |
He’s getting absolute pelters in the media, and especially Twà tter for his comments when talking about yesterday’s game between Chelsea & Tottenham.
He was talking about the actual match being ‘a man’s game’ in reference to referee directives to clamp down on feigning injury after legitimate tackles.
In my opinion, the world has gone bloody mad. |  | | |  |
| Graeme Souness. on 19:55 - Aug 15 with 2433 views | BlackCrowe |
| Graeme Souness. on 12:02 - Aug 15 by Rs_Holy |
I have no idea what to say anymore??? |
I walked into a meeting room with 3 girls in there (that i know) and said 'morning girls...am i even allowed to say that?' and they replied 'not really'. I can't really work it out - it wouldn't register a jot if someone, male or female, came up to me and a couple of other guys and said 'morning boys'. It's all very weird. |  |
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| Graeme Souness. on 20:10 - Aug 15 with 2404 views | ngbqpr |
| Graeme Souness. on 19:55 - Aug 15 by BlackCrowe |
I walked into a meeting room with 3 girls in there (that i know) and said 'morning girls...am i even allowed to say that?' and they replied 'not really'. I can't really work it out - it wouldn't register a jot if someone, male or female, came up to me and a couple of other guys and said 'morning boys'. It's all very weird. |
With respect, sounds like you chose to make an issue of it with your opening gambit? |  |
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| Graeme Souness. on 21:05 - Aug 15 with 2304 views | daveB |
| Graeme Souness. on 19:48 - Aug 15 by Tonto |
I wonder how many people commenting on this actually heard the comment or have seen a transcript? Becuase the way it is being reported is that he said "its a man's game" which does seem OTT to criticise. (Or woke as some like to call it).
But that isn't all he said. I've taken this from the BBC and the entire quote appears to be:
"It's a man's game all of a sudden again, I think we've got our football back, as I would enjoy football - men at it, blow for blow, and the referee letting them get on with it."
Now I accept that saying stuff live you often get a bit clunky with your language its not easy. Just ask James Haskell. But there are some extra connotations in that full quote. It does sound like a dig at the women's game especially when you consider a women's International was sitting next to him.
It could be that Sourness was comparing it to a boys game or something else. Only he fully knows. But his wording was poor and opens itself up to scrutiny. |
It was nothing to do with the womens game, he was talking about the lack of rolling around, the fight on show, the needle between the teams and managers in both games yesterday. Taking that quote out in isolation it can be made to look like a dig at the womens game but it was honestly nothing to do with that. |  | | |
| Graeme Souness. on 21:25 - Aug 15 with 2285 views | BlackCrowe |
| Graeme Souness. on 20:10 - Aug 15 by ngbqpr |
With respect, sounds like you chose to make an issue of it with your opening gambit? |
Well not really, i just say things and then suddenly worry about whether i've said it correctly, so try and make light of it. | |
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| Graeme Souness. on 21:29 - Aug 15 with 2270 views | DWQPR |
Nice to see Darwin Nuñez back up what Sounness said with actions rather than words. Full on head butt on Anderson of Palace. 😂 |  |
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| Graeme Souness. on 00:00 - Aug 16 with 2113 views | PunteR |
| Graeme Souness. on 15:56 - Aug 15 by Jigsore |
I see everyone is pretending Graeme Souness is not in fact Graeme Souness who has a long storied history of being a c0ck |
He's one of the best pundits out there. He's not a cock these days imo.
He comes across as a very calm and reasonable guy ,with loads of experience in the game.
He was an absolute c#nt when he was a player though.. lol |  |
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| Graeme Souness. on 02:45 - Aug 16 with 2069 views | bob566 |
| Graeme Souness. on 21:05 - Aug 15 by daveB |
It was nothing to do with the womens game, he was talking about the lack of rolling around, the fight on show, the needle between the teams and managers in both games yesterday. Taking that quote out in isolation it can be made to look like a dig at the womens game but it was honestly nothing to do with that. |
This. He was saying how refreshing it was to see a premiership match with both teams bouncing out of tackles rolling around feigning injury. | | | |
| Graeme Souness. on 03:09 - Aug 16 with 2055 views | SydneyRs |
| Graeme Souness. on 00:00 - Aug 16 by PunteR |
He's one of the best pundits out there. He's not a cock these days imo.
He comes across as a very calm and reasonable guy ,with loads of experience in the game.
He was an absolute c#nt when he was a player though.. lol |
Particularly when at Rangers when he made up for his declining physical attributes by trying to maim opponents every week. | | | |
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| Graeme Souness. on 07:28 - Aug 16 with 1931 views | PunteR |
She did make a meal of that though. Cmon....
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| Graeme Souness. on 13:21 - Aug 16 with 1718 views | westberksr |
| Graeme Souness. on 19:48 - Aug 15 by Tonto |
I wonder how many people commenting on this actually heard the comment or have seen a transcript? Becuase the way it is being reported is that he said "its a man's game" which does seem OTT to criticise. (Or woke as some like to call it).
But that isn't all he said. I've taken this from the BBC and the entire quote appears to be:
"It's a man's game all of a sudden again, I think we've got our football back, as I would enjoy football - men at it, blow for blow, and the referee letting them get on with it."
Now I accept that saying stuff live you often get a bit clunky with your language its not easy. Just ask James Haskell. But there are some extra connotations in that full quote. It does sound like a dig at the women's game especially when you consider a women's International was sitting next to him.
It could be that Sourness was comparing it to a boys game or something else. Only he fully knows. But his wording was poor and opens itself up to scrutiny. |
I saw the conversation live and I don't think he was digging out the women's game at all.
the chat was regarding how much more competitive the games this season have been with refs directed to not blow up for as many petty 'fouls' and minor collisions, letting the game be more combative and free flowing. There was also reference to other leagues (abroad) that we had become similar to in the respect of the number of stoppages and how little time the ball spent in play and how that was ruining the spectacle.
unfortunate for him that the term he decided to use was 'mans game' rather than 'competitive'. might not have gained as much coverage had the other commentator immediatly blurted 'and women' which actually highlighted the perceived gaff. |  | | |
| Graeme Souness. on 13:23 - Aug 16 with 1720 views | PinnerPaul |
| Graeme Souness. on 16:24 - Aug 15 by QPR_John |
“ VAR introduced in football: Furore ”
Surely the furore is not about introducing VAR into football but the way it has been introduced. I’ll stand to be corrected but every other sport that has introduced video technology has had a relatively smooth transition. It’s only the football authorities that have made a pigs ear out of it |
Not true at all.
Cricket - Wasn't it India who refused to use HawkEye and Clive has often posted about its huge detrimental effect on Rugby League.
Speaking to a cricket fan at the weekend who is fed up , EVERY run out is greeted with the umpire making a TV sign - they NEVER give them on their own now, like the most obvious offsides are not flagged immediately in football - 'just in case'. | | | |
| Graeme Souness. on 13:27 - Aug 16 with 1705 views | LythamR |
| Graeme Souness. on 13:21 - Aug 16 by westberksr |
I saw the conversation live and I don't think he was digging out the women's game at all.
the chat was regarding how much more competitive the games this season have been with refs directed to not blow up for as many petty 'fouls' and minor collisions, letting the game be more combative and free flowing. There was also reference to other leagues (abroad) that we had become similar to in the respect of the number of stoppages and how little time the ball spent in play and how that was ruining the spectacle.
unfortunate for him that the term he decided to use was 'mans game' rather than 'competitive'. might not have gained as much coverage had the other commentator immediatly blurted 'and women' which actually highlighted the perceived gaff. |
This exactly
he was reflecting on what he has seen compared to all the nonsense, simulation, diving etc. Anyone watching should have understood this. |  | | |
| Graeme Souness. on 14:02 - Aug 16 with 1630 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Graeme Souness. on 20:10 - Aug 15 by ngbqpr |
With respect, sounds like you chose to make an issue of it with your opening gambit? |
Agreed. They wouldn't have made an issue of it had you not asked. That being said, in a professional setting 'Good Morning Ladies' would probably be more palatable than 'Morning Girls'. If you're that worried about it then a simple 'Good Morning' will suffice. [Post edited 16 Aug 2022 14:22]
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| Graeme Souness. on 14:04 - Aug 16 with 1620 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Graeme Souness. on 21:25 - Aug 15 by BlackCrowe |
Well not really, i just say things and then suddenly worry about whether i've said it correctly, so try and make light of it. |
With all due respect, if you're that worried about it you're better off thinking before you speak. Worrying about it after the fact tends only to invite problems. | | | |
| Graeme Souness. on 14:06 - Aug 16 with 1620 views | qprrunner |
| Graeme Souness. on 11:36 - Aug 15 by francisbowles |
Haven't heard or seen his comments but it sounds about right to me.
There is footballl and Womens football. They are two different games, played to the same rules. Womens football is a great game but it watches like a football match from many years ago, that is lots of kick and rush, losing possession but interspersed with great moments of skill.
Now, I'm going to be controversial. Is anyone else slightly peeved that the TV channels now seem to want a woman footballer pundit on virtually every football (mens) show.? I think a pundit should be either a professional journalist or someone who has actually played or coached in professional football. (mens)  |
Agree on the point that there are far too many (bad) female pundits that are there to just tick a box (Karen Carney is for me one of the worst and can barely string a sentence).
However did you watch any of the Euros? There was hardly any kick and rush. It was pretty much all short, precise passes, heavily coached and very rarely did teams go long.. | | | |
| Graeme Souness. on 14:16 - Aug 16 with 1591 views | Benny_the_Ball |
I suspect that many on here are of a certain vintage and they know exactly what Souness meant. "It's a man's game" was a common phrase that essentially meant that football is not for the faint of heart. At a minimum, players were (and still are) expected to roll up their sleeves and get stuck in. The phrase isn't designed to exclude women from the game.
Souness' comment, whilst ill-judged given the company he was keeping, was meant in good faith. Whilst it's important that he learns from this and makes some reasonable adjustments for future broadcasts, it's also important that the younger generation respect their elders and make some allowances for traditional parlance. [Post edited 16 Aug 2022 14:23]
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| Graeme Souness. on 14:51 - Aug 16 with 1555 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
The Order of Events:
1) Souness says something outdated and inconsiderate.
2) Media and Twitter operators get a boner for likes and coverage and inflate the situation.
3) Handful of liberals go over the top in their condemnation.
4) Every Lawrence Fox wannabe who has a stake in stoking ‘anti-wokeness’ feelings jumps on board.
5) The rest of us end up divided and arguing using terms we don’t understand about each of other.
6) The Cnts in charge lap it up and carry on pulling our pants down until the end of time. [Post edited 16 Aug 2022 14:52]
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| Graeme Souness. on 16:10 - Aug 16 with 1446 views | SheffieldHoop |
| Graeme Souness. on 14:51 - Aug 16 by BazzaInTheLoft |
The Order of Events:
1) Souness says something outdated and inconsiderate.
2) Media and Twitter operators get a boner for likes and coverage and inflate the situation.
3) Handful of liberals go over the top in their condemnation.
4) Every Lawrence Fox wannabe who has a stake in stoking ‘anti-wokeness’ feelings jumps on board.
5) The rest of us end up divided and arguing using terms we don’t understand about each of other.
6) The Cnts in charge lap it up and carry on pulling our pants down until the end of time. [Post edited 16 Aug 2022 14:52]
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It's only "Outdated and inconsiderate" in the same way that using the word "woman" to describe a biological female is "transphobic" - In the real world where most people live, going further down that path just sounds like even more woke bullshit.
More woke bullshit from today here - https://news.sky.com/story/raf-pauses-job-offers-for-white-men-to-meet-impossibl [Post edited 16 Aug 2022 16:15]
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| Graeme Souness. on 18:57 - Aug 16 with 1331 views | PunteR |
| Graeme Souness. on 14:02 - Aug 16 by Benny_the_Ball |
Agreed. They wouldn't have made an issue of it had you not asked. That being said, in a professional setting 'Good Morning Ladies' would probably be more palatable than 'Morning Girls'. If you're that worried about it then a simple 'Good Morning' will suffice. [Post edited 16 Aug 2022 14:22]
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Crowe has moved the same conversation from his work office to a football forum as he felt it was relevant.
Sounds like you and NGB have made a bigger issue from it than the girls.. i mean ladies..lol | |
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| Graeme Souness. on 19:12 - Aug 16 with 1310 views | eastside_r |
| Graeme Souness. on 03:09 - Aug 16 by SydneyRs |
Particularly when at Rangers when he made up for his declining physical attributes by trying to maim opponents every week. |
Aye and getting away with it most of the time.
I remember a particularly amusing ditty sung by the Celtic fans when he was manager at GR and had some sort of heart condition.
That was nigh on 30 years ago, I am surprised the f*cker is still with us.  |  | | |
| Graeme Souness. on 19:45 - Aug 16 with 1269 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Graeme Souness. on 18:57 - Aug 16 by PunteR |
Crowe has moved the same conversation from his work office to a football forum as he felt it was relevant.
Sounds like you and NGB have made a bigger issue from it than the girls.. i mean ladies..lol |
Nah. I don't find Crowe's greeting offensive but whether it was inappropriate is not down to you or me; that's governed by his company culture and working environment.
NGB and I are simply pointing out that Crowe scored an own goal by immediately asking "Am I even allowed to say that?" This rhetorical question suggests that deep down Crowe suspected his "Morning girls" greeting could be deemed mildly inappropriate before he even said it. The irony is had he not asked the question, his colleagues probably would've thought nothing of it.
Conversely, Souness didn't follow up his "It's a man's game" comment with the same rhetorical question. Given this and the fact that this phrase was widely used by his generation leads me to believe that he didn't set out to offend. [Post edited 16 Aug 2022 19:47]
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| Graeme Souness. on 03:54 - Aug 17 with 1178 views | numptydumpty |
It's a phrase from the 70s that meant toughen up and it related to games involving men.
If he had made that comment watching teh womens game, then that's when you question ....
It's a phrase common to It's time.
Sometimes people one need use their nouse a bit more ie the point he is trying to make and the context It's used in.
And remember it's a common phrase meaning toughen up.
It dates back to a time before Internet Facebook and youtube - and was common phraseology.
Twenty five years ago, I called my.soon to be ex an easy lay after I found out she was a serial cheat. The context it was used in was relevant.
Ridiculous play on words to create a story that isn't a story but like others have said today some people can be offended by someone opening a paper bag in the wrong fashion.
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| Graeme Souness. on 06:49 - Aug 17 with 1144 views | PunteR |
| Graeme Souness. on 19:45 - Aug 16 by Benny_the_Ball |
Nah. I don't find Crowe's greeting offensive but whether it was inappropriate is not down to you or me; that's governed by his company culture and working environment.
NGB and I are simply pointing out that Crowe scored an own goal by immediately asking "Am I even allowed to say that?" This rhetorical question suggests that deep down Crowe suspected his "Morning girls" greeting could be deemed mildly inappropriate before he even said it. The irony is had he not asked the question, his colleagues probably would've thought nothing of it.
Conversely, Souness didn't follow up his "It's a man's game" comment with the same rhetorical question. Given this and the fact that this phrase was widely used by his generation leads me to believe that he didn't set out to offend. [Post edited 16 Aug 2022 19:47]
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I didn't say you did find it offensive I was just pointing out that you've made a bigger deal out of Crowes situation then even Crowe and his female work colleagues did in the actual event.
My point really is things like this lose its context on the Internet than in reality.
It's nothing , no big deal but here we are grown men chatting shit about it for no reason other than to score points on message board wars..lol
Things get exaggerated once people talk about it which is exactly what happened with Souness. | |
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