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- will be carrying Covid. It could be the person next to you. Frightening. Perhaps wear a mask folks. Take hand gel.
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Swansea Indepenent Poster Of The Year 2021. Dr P / Mart66 / Roathie / Parlay / E20/ Duffle was 2nd, but he is deluded and thinks in his little twisted brain that he won. Poor sod. We let him win this year, as he has cried for a whole year. His 14 usernames, bless his cotton socks.
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Over 100 people in the ground today on 13:19 - Oct 6 with 944 views
Over 100 people in the ground today on 12:44 - Oct 6 by A_Fans_Dad
The fact that you only talk about Myocarditis as a an Adverse Event is enlightening. There are many life threatening and life changing effects. For a nice roundup with links is this article.
Over 100 people in the ground today on 12:44 - Oct 6 by A_Fans_Dad
The fact that you only talk about Myocarditis as a an Adverse Event is enlightening. There are many life threatening and life changing effects. For a nice roundup with links is this article.
I'm sorry that first article is misrepresented nonsense. Here's a quote:-
"A study of Pfizer and Moderna vaccines published in September finds teenage boys are six times more likely to suffer heart issues from COVID-19 vaccination than from COVID."
That statement is false, the linked study is this:-
Over 100 people in the ground today on 13:44 - Oct 6 by Scotia
I'm sorry that first article is misrepresented nonsense. Here's a quote:-
"A study of Pfizer and Moderna vaccines published in September finds teenage boys are six times more likely to suffer heart issues from COVID-19 vaccination than from COVID."
That statement is false, the linked study is this:-
Perhaps you can point me to the posts that have "done to death" the Dr Tracy Hoeg at the University of California study as I must have missed it when you did. Then you can show me where all the other data they present has been debunked. I will wait.
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Over 100 people in the ground today on 14:53 - Oct 6 with 917 views
Over 100 people in the ground today on 08:00 - Oct 5 by Scotia
Again this is just typical misinformation.
I think J&J are the smallest of the vaccine producers (by number) outside of China and Russia.
J&J also make far more products than just vaccines, the vaccines were actually developed by the Janssen subsidary company. J&J are also distributing them at cost throughout the course of the pandemic.
Was the misinformation that these factcheckers identified only limited to the J&J vaccine?
Does it make any difference if it actually was misinformation?
I just think these anti-vaxxers are getting desperate. The vaccines are very safe and effective and they are looking incredibley stupid.
Being the smallest of the vaccine producers doesn't mean they are negligible. They are the biggest healthcare company in the world and the highest paid drug company, but are as dodgy as... https://www.drugwatch.com/manufacturers/johnson-and-johnson/
Over 100 people in the ground today on 10:13 - Oct 4 by Brynmill_Jack
Is it a fact that naturally acquired immunity (gained from having the virus at a point in the past) doesn’t last as long as the vaccine acquired immunity??
Over 100 people in the ground today on 11:08 - Oct 4 by Scotia
No. As far as I'm aware it's hugely variable depending on how ill you've been or what vaccine you've had and how long ago you were vaccinated or infected.
Also an antibody test only detects antibodies and not other parts of your immune response.
This says that without vaccination, antibody levels last 9 months or more. Also states that this is not dependant on how severe the infection was.
Over 100 people in the ground today on 14:53 - Oct 6 by jackrmee
Being the smallest of the vaccine producers doesn't mean they are negligible. They are the biggest healthcare company in the world and the highest paid drug company, but are as dodgy as... https://www.drugwatch.com/manufacturers/johnson-and-johnson/
Doesn't the fact that they are the biggest health company in the world and are distributing their covid vaccine at cost mean they have no interest in falsifying anti-vax fact checking on social media?
Over 100 people in the ground today on 14:55 - Oct 6 by jackrmee
This says that without vaccination, antibody levels last 9 months or more. Also states that this is not dependant on how severe the infection was.
Measuring levels of antibody does not equate to protection. Unless you can conclusively show it correlates to protection (which usually means in animal models) it’s a measure of part of the immune response. Now lowered levels of neutralising antibodies usually are related to function, but there are countless examples of infection where a high antibody response does not equate to any protection and may be detrimental. HIV is perhaps the clearest example. People measure antibody responses as it’s easy. Data on functional immunity post vaccination is still patchy, but suggest immune memory remains even when antibody levels fade. Which is really what a vaccine does normally.
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Over 100 people in the ground today on 15:22 - Oct 6 with 906 views
Over 100 people in the ground today on 13:59 - Oct 6 by A_Fans_Dad
Perhaps you can point me to the posts that have "done to death" the Dr Tracy Hoeg at the University of California study as I must have missed it when you did. Then you can show me where all the other data they present has been debunked. I will wait.
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You didn't miss it, you contributed to it - along with (I think) exiledjack?
Selective amnesia I think.
I pointed out that the comparison between vaccine induced myocariditis and hospitlaisation through covid infection is irrelevant. The author of the article doesn't even realise that is what the study was attempting to examine, they completely misrepresent it.
Dr Hoeg does not compare vaccine induced myocarditis with infection induced myocarditis, which would have been worthwhile. Somebody has, and guess what they found:-
It would be interesting to see if her paper has passed peer review yet?
Do you not agree that that link is blatant attempt at misrepresentation?
The article is clearly aimed at brainwashing those that won't dig deeper, those who aren't even prepared to read linked articles. I'm not wasting my time.
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Over 100 people in the ground today on 17:31 - Oct 6 with 876 views
Over 100 people in the ground today on 15:22 - Oct 6 by Scotia
You didn't miss it, you contributed to it - along with (I think) exiledjack?
Selective amnesia I think.
I pointed out that the comparison between vaccine induced myocariditis and hospitlaisation through covid infection is irrelevant. The author of the article doesn't even realise that is what the study was attempting to examine, they completely misrepresent it.
Dr Hoeg does not compare vaccine induced myocarditis with infection induced myocarditis, which would have been worthwhile. Somebody has, and guess what they found:-
It would be interesting to see if her paper has passed peer review yet?
Do you not agree that that link is blatant attempt at misrepresentation?
The article is clearly aimed at brainwashing those that won't dig deeper, those who aren't even prepared to read linked articles. I'm not wasting my time.
No, the original so called debunking was strictly your opinion. Your new study, which is not peer reviewed of course uses a completely different set of data from a completely different time period. ie actual hospital records, as against only those cases reported to VAERs. So is not a comparison of apples with apples. Because on thing we know from whistleblowers is that hospitals are not reporting Vaccine injuries and deaths to VAERS as they are supposed to under law.
Now about all the other links and data in that collection, which as I stated was the actual reason that I posted it, ie to show that myocarditis was a small fraction of the problems caused by the Vaccines.
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Over 100 people in the ground today on 17:45 - Oct 6 with 872 views
Over 100 people in the ground today on 15:12 - Oct 6 by Professor
Measuring levels of antibody does not equate to protection. Unless you can conclusively show it correlates to protection (which usually means in animal models) it’s a measure of part of the immune response. Now lowered levels of neutralising antibodies usually are related to function, but there are countless examples of infection where a high antibody response does not equate to any protection and may be detrimental. HIV is perhaps the clearest example. People measure antibody responses as it’s easy. Data on functional immunity post vaccination is still patchy, but suggest immune memory remains even when antibody levels fade. Which is really what a vaccine does normally.
Yes that is why there are so many breakthrough cases in those vaccinated, especially with Pfizer and Moderna, the Isrealis admit it, the US CDC admits but scotia can't. Do I need to post the Isreali study again that proves the point?
We should be thankful that so many here had AZ vaccines which seem to be holding up a bit better than Pfizer. Although I no longer believe COVID data coming from our government as it not consistent with the data from the rest of the world.
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Over 100 people in the ground today on 18:13 - Oct 6 with 870 views
Over 100 people in the ground today on 17:45 - Oct 6 by A_Fans_Dad
Yes that is why there are so many breakthrough cases in those vaccinated, especially with Pfizer and Moderna, the Isrealis admit it, the US CDC admits but scotia can't. Do I need to post the Isreali study again that proves the point?
We should be thankful that so many here had AZ vaccines which seem to be holding up a bit better than Pfizer. Although I no longer believe COVID data coming from our government as it not consistent with the data from the rest of the world.
But the cases are largely mild. We would be getting 600 plus deaths per day without vaccination.
The protection against infection wanes, but the protection against disease remains very strong. New data today also showing vaccination also reduces transmission-stronger immediately post vaccination, but remains. Given there is always a reduction in both infection and also transmission, the virus is being pushed into a corner. It’s big escape route remains a susceptible population.
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Over 100 people in the ground today on 18:27 - Oct 6 with 866 views
Over 100 people in the ground today on 18:13 - Oct 6 by Professor
But the cases are largely mild. We would be getting 600 plus deaths per day without vaccination.
The protection against infection wanes, but the protection against disease remains very strong. New data today also showing vaccination also reduces transmission-stronger immediately post vaccination, but remains. Given there is always a reduction in both infection and also transmission, the virus is being pushed into a corner. It’s big escape route remains a susceptible population.
Official data that shows the waning efficacy in the USA.
Over 100 people in the ground today on 17:31 - Oct 6 by A_Fans_Dad
No, the original so called debunking was strictly your opinion. Your new study, which is not peer reviewed of course uses a completely different set of data from a completely different time period. ie actual hospital records, as against only those cases reported to VAERs. So is not a comparison of apples with apples. Because on thing we know from whistleblowers is that hospitals are not reporting Vaccine injuries and deaths to VAERS as they are supposed to under law.
Now about all the other links and data in that collection, which as I stated was the actual reason that I posted it, ie to show that myocarditis was a small fraction of the problems caused by the Vaccines.
So you remember it now do you?
I've never claimed to debunk it, I pointed out it was irrelevant. It also may now be withdrawn as a co author didn't declare an interest he should have.
Do you honestly think that self reported data to VAERS is more trustworthy than that derived from hospitals?
The article that you quoted seems to have deliberately misrepresented it, you didn't realise that.
I looked at one claim and it's completely false the article cannot be trusted. I'm not wasting my time.
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Over 100 people in the ground today on 21:32 - Oct 6 with 826 views
Over 100 people in the ground today on 20:47 - Oct 6 by Scotia
So you remember it now do you?
I've never claimed to debunk it, I pointed out it was irrelevant. It also may now be withdrawn as a co author didn't declare an interest he should have.
Do you honestly think that self reported data to VAERS is more trustworthy than that derived from hospitals?
The article that you quoted seems to have deliberately misrepresented it, you didn't realise that.
I looked at one claim and it's completely false the article cannot be trusted. I'm not wasting my time.
No, I didn't say that VAERs is more reliable than hospital dat, I said exactly the opposite. VAERs is not being updated, the Medicaid data shows it.
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Over 100 people in the ground today on 21:33 - Oct 6 with 826 views
Over 100 people in the ground today on 13:44 - Oct 6 by Scotia
I'm sorry that first article is misrepresented nonsense. Here's a quote:-
"A study of Pfizer and Moderna vaccines published in September finds teenage boys are six times more likely to suffer heart issues from COVID-19 vaccination than from COVID."
That statement is false, the linked study is this:-
To answer the question, he swallows it because he wants to believe it. You're going around and around in circles, whenever you disprove his 'facts' or show his links to be misrepresentations, lies and/or articles by untrustworthy, discredited people who often prove to have a vested interest in rubbishing the vax (usually a finaicial interest such as selling a book) all he does is go back and start the circle again, it's groundhog day!
If these vaccines are as dangerous as they claim, or are the bio weapon that has been claimed, then why aren't thousands of people dying directly because of them? While I obvioisly don't know thousands of people, I don't know anybody who is double vaccinated and has died directly because of the vaccine, one did die in a motorcycle accident so good luck linking that to the vax! I've asked my neighbours too and they don't know of any vaccine attributable death. Our son doesn't want to have the vax, turns out that while he's seen all the anti vax stuff on youtube, tiktok and whatsapp, his reason for not wanting it is...he's scared of needles! he says he thinks the vax is safe because we both had it and we're fine. He also accepts that getting vaxed is more about protecting us than him. 13 years old and brighter than oh so many adults.
Over 100 people in the ground today on 21:33 - Oct 6 by Catullus
To answer the question, he swallows it because he wants to believe it. You're going around and around in circles, whenever you disprove his 'facts' or show his links to be misrepresentations, lies and/or articles by untrustworthy, discredited people who often prove to have a vested interest in rubbishing the vax (usually a finaicial interest such as selling a book) all he does is go back and start the circle again, it's groundhog day!
If these vaccines are as dangerous as they claim, or are the bio weapon that has been claimed, then why aren't thousands of people dying directly because of them? While I obvioisly don't know thousands of people, I don't know anybody who is double vaccinated and has died directly because of the vaccine, one did die in a motorcycle accident so good luck linking that to the vax! I've asked my neighbours too and they don't know of any vaccine attributable death. Our son doesn't want to have the vax, turns out that while he's seen all the anti vax stuff on youtube, tiktok and whatsapp, his reason for not wanting it is...he's scared of needles! he says he thinks the vax is safe because we both had it and we're fine. He also accepts that getting vaxed is more about protecting us than him. 13 years old and brighter than oh so many adults.
It does feel like we're stuck in some sort of loop.
That is the scenario and why the anti-vaxxers seem to be becoming increaeasingly irelevant. People have been receiving this vaccine for 10 months, many millions of people have received multiple doses and millions of lives have been saved.
They are clearly very safe and very effective.
I know someone, previously healthy, who had a major stroke betwen his first and second dose. Was it the vaccine or becasue he had spent five evenings a week for the last 55 years in a pub? He considered himself heatlhy becasue he never went ot the Dr's, his wife now thinks he'd been ignoring warning signs for several years. These situations will occur, by the thousands, when you vaccinate millions of vulnerable people.
Fair play to your lad, I hated needles when I was a kid. My daughter just had the flu nasal spray, perhaps one day we'll have a version for covid.
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Over 100 people in the ground today on 09:29 - Oct 7 with 778 views
Over 100 people in the ground today on 08:07 - Oct 7 by Scotia
It does feel like we're stuck in some sort of loop.
That is the scenario and why the anti-vaxxers seem to be becoming increaeasingly irelevant. People have been receiving this vaccine for 10 months, many millions of people have received multiple doses and millions of lives have been saved.
They are clearly very safe and very effective.
I know someone, previously healthy, who had a major stroke betwen his first and second dose. Was it the vaccine or becasue he had spent five evenings a week for the last 55 years in a pub? He considered himself heatlhy becasue he never went ot the Dr's, his wife now thinks he'd been ignoring warning signs for several years. These situations will occur, by the thousands, when you vaccinate millions of vulnerable people.
Fair play to your lad, I hated needles when I was a kid. My daughter just had the flu nasal spray, perhaps one day we'll have a version for covid.
Didn't I see on the news there was a tablet coming out? Or is that something different to covid?
What I definitely saw on the news this morning is, double vaccinated who've since had and obviously recovered from covid have up to 94% protection whereas the unvaccinated who recover from covid have up to and around 65% protection.
Those were the latest figures from a study the BBC reported this morning. Of course the deniers and anti vaxers will say it's the BBC so we can't believe it.
I'm still waiting for the millions of peole who happily accepted the bio weapon injection to drop dead!
Over 100 people in the ground today on 09:29 - Oct 7 by Catullus
Didn't I see on the news there was a tablet coming out? Or is that something different to covid?
What I definitely saw on the news this morning is, double vaccinated who've since had and obviously recovered from covid have up to 94% protection whereas the unvaccinated who recover from covid have up to and around 65% protection.
Those were the latest figures from a study the BBC reported this morning. Of course the deniers and anti vaxers will say it's the BBC so we can't believe it.
I'm still waiting for the millions of peole who happily accepted the bio weapon injection to drop dead!
You want everybody to believe the Experts at King's College London and health-tech firm ZOE's software study that shows the Pfizer vaccine at 80% which is better than Natural Immunity at 65%. Which could be true for the 1st few months but as the latest data show Pfizer only offers 20% protection after just 6 months.
Do you have a link to the actual study, as the DM version does not?
However the Israeli Clinical study, the 1st group of 16,215 previous COVID sufferers shows only 19 were re-infected which is 99.8% protection not the 65% as claimed by ZOE. The 2nd group of 46,035 had 68, also 98.8% Infections and the 3rd group of 14,029 had 23, also 99.8%. The only time that Vaccines outperformed the natural immunity was when those people who had had COVID were vaccinated on top of their natural immunity, but there was no data on how long the extra protection lasted. None of the vaccinated or non vaccinated died, although overall 29 in the vaccinated groups and 6 in the Immune groups were hospitalised.
Over 100 people in the ground today on 21:33 - Oct 6 by Catullus
To answer the question, he swallows it because he wants to believe it. You're going around and around in circles, whenever you disprove his 'facts' or show his links to be misrepresentations, lies and/or articles by untrustworthy, discredited people who often prove to have a vested interest in rubbishing the vax (usually a finaicial interest such as selling a book) all he does is go back and start the circle again, it's groundhog day!
If these vaccines are as dangerous as they claim, or are the bio weapon that has been claimed, then why aren't thousands of people dying directly because of them? While I obvioisly don't know thousands of people, I don't know anybody who is double vaccinated and has died directly because of the vaccine, one did die in a motorcycle accident so good luck linking that to the vax! I've asked my neighbours too and they don't know of any vaccine attributable death. Our son doesn't want to have the vax, turns out that while he's seen all the anti vax stuff on youtube, tiktok and whatsapp, his reason for not wanting it is...he's scared of needles! he says he thinks the vax is safe because we both had it and we're fine. He also accepts that getting vaxed is more about protecting us than him. 13 years old and brighter than oh so many adults.
The anti vax take on sources always makes me think of this:
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Over 100 people in the ground today on 09:45 - Oct 9 with 640 views
Over 100 people in the ground today on 17:34 - Sep 11 by NEATHCCFC
I get what your saying but it is nowhere near as bad as the media make out let’s be honest yeah. We are 18 months down the road since this all started and yet 4 million out of 7 and a half billion have lost their lives. Do you realise 1500 people die on a average day in the UK? COVID is currently killing about 100 ain’t it? The average age of a natural UK death is 82 and the average age of a UK COVID death is 81, it’s time to move on and go back to normal because the China virus is with us forever jab or no jab. You could end up having 10 jabs and that’s the way we are heading but long term it won’t make a blind bit of difference! Israel have dished out 3 jabs already and are talking about a 4th, you couldn’t make it up.
And will go on ad infinitum. The whole of humanity will be in debt to pharma until the end of time.
The case of Israel is very worrying indeed - so I’ll repeat - every spectator at these decreed large sporting events should take the lateral flow test NOT ONLY the unvaccinated.
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