| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! 22:23 - Jan 21 with 21250 views | ItchySphincter |
Buckle up folks!
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| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! (n/t) on 09:22 - Jan 23 with 1549 views | AnotherJohn |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! (n/t) on 21:10 - Jan 22 by sherpajacob |
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Who interestingly lost his Bristol seat in the next election after his famous 1774 statement.
There has always been a strong strand of opinion in favour of the 'trustee' model of representation vs the delegate model, but I wouldn't say it was unanimous. A.V. Dicey, probably the leading Victorian authority on British constitutional law (and quoted by the judges in the Miller case), certainly rejected the idea that in the wake of a referendum MPs should be able to fall back on this argument to reverse the result.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/26219693?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents |  | | |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 09:24 - Jan 23 with 1548 views | sg1912 |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 09:17 - Jan 23 by ItchySphincter |
I think people here might be inviting you to clarify the difference between WTO terms, aka 'no deal', and .....erm....'no deal'?
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A ‘deal’ can equally be construed as a FTA and a customs agreement, as both parties suggested that WTO is their preference, I think it’s pretty obvious what we voted for..unless you have an agenda? | | | |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 10:23 - Jan 23 with 1519 views | WarwickHunt |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 09:10 - Jan 23 by sg1912 |
How can links to manifestos that 80% voted for, make me ‘a fcking idiot’?
Perhaps you’re the ‘fckin idiot’ for not understanding what you voted for? |
You said 80% of the electorate voted for it when only 72% actually voted in the referendum.
Dopey twà t. |  | | |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 10:28 - Jan 23 with 1511 views | sg1912 |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 10:23 - Jan 23 by WarwickHunt |
You said 80% of the electorate voted for it when only 72% actually voted in the referendum.
Dopey twà t. |
Obviously I meant 80% if the voting electorate, but carry on focusing on the big issues...
Tw@t. | | | |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 10:32 - Jan 23 with 1506 views | Ace_Jack |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 09:24 - Jan 23 by sg1912 |
A ‘deal’ can equally be construed as a FTA and a customs agreement, as both parties suggested that WTO is their preference, I think it’s pretty obvious what we voted for..unless you have an agenda? |
Both parties absolutely did not say that though. You've made that up or you're deliberately misinterpreting both manifestos to push your own agenda.
We can't have a discussion if you're too stubborn to understand basic comprehension. There literally is no counterpoint to stuff you've made up in your own head |  | | |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 10:34 - Jan 23 with 1504 views | WarwickHunt |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 10:32 - Jan 23 by Ace_Jack |
Both parties absolutely did not say that though. You've made that up or you're deliberately misinterpreting both manifestos to push your own agenda.
We can't have a discussion if you're too stubborn to understand basic comprehension. There literally is no counterpoint to stuff you've made up in your own head |
Innit. He’s deranged. 😂 | | | |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 10:36 - Jan 23 with 1501 views | WarwickHunt |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 10:28 - Jan 23 by sg1912 |
Obviously I meant 80% if the voting electorate, but carry on focusing on the big issues...
Tw@t. |
They still didn’t, you demented fûcking halfwit. | | | |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 10:45 - Jan 23 with 1492 views | sherpajacob |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 22:47 - Jan 21 by howenjack |
Nobody voted for a deal either . We voted to leave . They haven't honoured the result of the first referendum and they are talking about a second one !!! |
I voted for a coalition of chaos.
We've certainly got that, just not the one I voted for. |  |
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| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 10:49 - Jan 23 with 1476 views | sg1912 |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 10:32 - Jan 23 by Ace_Jack |
Both parties absolutely did not say that though. You've made that up or you're deliberately misinterpreting both manifestos to push your own agenda.
We can't have a discussion if you're too stubborn to understand basic comprehension. There literally is no counterpoint to stuff you've made up in your own head |
I’ve literally quoted pledges from both manifestos stating “we will leave the Single Market and Customs Union”..
As I’m fairly new to this forum, I suspect your views have gone unchallenged for so long that you’re actually starting to believe your delusions. | | | |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 10:52 - Jan 23 with 1473 views | sg1912 |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 10:36 - Jan 23 by WarwickHunt |
They still didn’t, you demented fûcking halfwit. |
.. are you telling people what they voted for again?
I suggest you start reading manifestos before heading to the ballots in the future. | | | |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 11:01 - Jan 23 with 1465 views | Ace_Jack |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 10:49 - Jan 23 by sg1912 |
I’ve literally quoted pledges from both manifestos stating “we will leave the Single Market and Customs Union”..
As I’m fairly new to this forum, I suspect your views have gone unchallenged for so long that you’re actually starting to believe your delusions. |
You're lying and already have zero credibility. Everything in the Labour manifesto is incompatible with leaving the EU with no deal on the 29th.
"We will scrap the Conservatives’ Brexit White Paper and replace it with fresh negotiating priorities that have a strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the Single Market and the Customs Union — which are essential for maintaining industries, jobs and businesses in Britain. Labour will always put jobs and the economy first.
A Labour government will immediately guarantee existing rights for all EU nationals living in Britain and secure reciprocal rights for UK citizens who have chosen to make their lives in EU countries. EU nationals do not just contribute to our society: they are part of our society. And they should not be used as bargaining chips.
It is shameful that the Prime Minister rejected repeated attempts by Labour to resolve this issue before Article 50 was triggered. As a result three million EU nationals have suffered unnecessary uncertainty, as have the 1.2 million UK citizens living in the EU.
A Conservative Brexit will weaken workers’ rights, deregulate the economy, slash corporate taxes, sideline Parliament and democratic accountability, and cut Britain off from our closest allies and most important trading partners.
Labour recognises that leaving the EU with ‘no deal’ is the worst possible deal for Britain and that it would do damage to our economy and trade. We will reject ‘no deal’ as a viable option and, if needs be, negotiate transitional arrangements to avoid a ‘cliff-edge’ for the UK economy.
The issues that affect our continent now will continue to do so in the future — and Labour will continue to work constructively with the EU and other European nations on issues such as climate change, refugee crises and counter-terrorism."
Labour will reject ‘no deal’ as a viable option and they already have. | | | |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 11:21 - Jan 23 with 1458 views | sg1912 |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 11:01 - Jan 23 by Ace_Jack |
You're lying and already have zero credibility. Everything in the Labour manifesto is incompatible with leaving the EU with no deal on the 29th.
"We will scrap the Conservatives’ Brexit White Paper and replace it with fresh negotiating priorities that have a strong emphasis on retaining the benefits of the Single Market and the Customs Union — which are essential for maintaining industries, jobs and businesses in Britain. Labour will always put jobs and the economy first.
A Labour government will immediately guarantee existing rights for all EU nationals living in Britain and secure reciprocal rights for UK citizens who have chosen to make their lives in EU countries. EU nationals do not just contribute to our society: they are part of our society. And they should not be used as bargaining chips.
It is shameful that the Prime Minister rejected repeated attempts by Labour to resolve this issue before Article 50 was triggered. As a result three million EU nationals have suffered unnecessary uncertainty, as have the 1.2 million UK citizens living in the EU.
A Conservative Brexit will weaken workers’ rights, deregulate the economy, slash corporate taxes, sideline Parliament and democratic accountability, and cut Britain off from our closest allies and most important trading partners.
Labour recognises that leaving the EU with ‘no deal’ is the worst possible deal for Britain and that it would do damage to our economy and trade. We will reject ‘no deal’ as a viable option and, if needs be, negotiate transitional arrangements to avoid a ‘cliff-edge’ for the UK economy.
The issues that affect our continent now will continue to do so in the future — and Labour will continue to work constructively with the EU and other European nations on issues such as climate change, refugee crises and counter-terrorism."
Labour will reject ‘no deal’ as a viable option and they already have. |
.. you have decided in your own mind that a 'deal' consists of remaining in the SM and CU.
I noticed you conveniently left this out...
Labour is committed to the rules-based international trading system of the World Trade Organisation (WTO). We will rejoin the Government Procurement Agreement, whilst safeguarding the capacity for public bodies to make procurement decisions in keeping with public policy objectives. | | | |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 11:42 - Jan 23 with 1449 views | Ace_Jack |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 11:21 - Jan 23 by sg1912 |
.. you have decided in your own mind that a 'deal' consists of remaining in the SM and CU.
I noticed you conveniently left this out...
Labour is committed to the rules-based international trading system of the World Trade Organisation (WTO). We will rejoin the Government Procurement Agreement, whilst safeguarding the capacity for public bodies to make procurement decisions in keeping with public policy objectives. |
Because it was in the section of the manifesto marked "international trade" and not "negotiating Brexit". A labour government would not withdraw from the WTO. That's what this passage means.
This doesn't mean the Labour Party wants to leave the EU with no deal and exist solely on WTO terms. This is because no country in the world trades on WTO terms alone. On March 29th we will become the only country in the world to do so.
The Labour manifesto expressly says that:
"leaving the EU with ‘no deal’ is the worst possible deal for Britain and that it would do damage to our economy and trade. We will reject ‘no deal’ as a viable option and, if needs be, negotiate transitional arrangements to avoid a ‘cliff-edge’ for the UK economy."
Its all there, black and white, clear as crystal, saying that the Labour Party will do everything possible to avoid a no deal exit if they form a government. You lied about what the Labour party manifesto said. You've had it explained to you why you are completely wrong in your assertion. Just because another part of the mannifesto mentions WTO doesn't mean you're right in anything, so you get NOTHING! You lose! GOOD DAY, SIR!
If you're too stupid to not understand this you shouldn't be allowed out. [Post edited 23 Jan 2019 11:43]
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| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 11:50 - Jan 23 with 1443 views | sg1912 |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 11:42 - Jan 23 by Ace_Jack |
Because it was in the section of the manifesto marked "international trade" and not "negotiating Brexit". A labour government would not withdraw from the WTO. That's what this passage means.
This doesn't mean the Labour Party wants to leave the EU with no deal and exist solely on WTO terms. This is because no country in the world trades on WTO terms alone. On March 29th we will become the only country in the world to do so.
The Labour manifesto expressly says that:
"leaving the EU with ‘no deal’ is the worst possible deal for Britain and that it would do damage to our economy and trade. We will reject ‘no deal’ as a viable option and, if needs be, negotiate transitional arrangements to avoid a ‘cliff-edge’ for the UK economy."
Its all there, black and white, clear as crystal, saying that the Labour Party will do everything possible to avoid a no deal exit if they form a government. You lied about what the Labour party manifesto said. You've had it explained to you why you are completely wrong in your assertion. Just because another part of the mannifesto mentions WTO doesn't mean you're right in anything, so you get NOTHING! You lose! GOOD DAY, SIR!
If you're too stupid to not understand this you shouldn't be allowed out. [Post edited 23 Jan 2019 11:43]
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Does it say “retaining the benefits of..” or “remaining apart of..”, there’s a big difference?
I respect you do not support Brexit, but you’re outright fanatical in your delusions. | | | |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 12:00 - Jan 23 with 1438 views | Ace_Jack |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 11:50 - Jan 23 by sg1912 |
Does it say “retaining the benefits of..” or “remaining apart of..”, there’s a big difference?
I respect you do not support Brexit, but you’re outright fanatical in your delusions. |
retaining benefits of what?
Nice projection you willy | | | |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 12:03 - Jan 23 with 1437 views | sg1912 |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 12:00 - Jan 23 by Ace_Jack |
retaining benefits of what?
Nice projection you willy |
Clearly you haven’t read the manifesto...
I’m done, you will never accept the majority do not agree with you. | | | |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 12:07 - Jan 23 with 1434 views | Ace_Jack |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 12:03 - Jan 23 by sg1912 |
Clearly you haven’t read the manifesto...
I’m done, you will never accept the majority do not agree with you. |
I don't care what the majority of people think. I was just pointing out that what you were saying was factually incorrect you bloody corncob. | | | |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 12:46 - Jan 23 with 1414 views | WarwickHunt |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 12:03 - Jan 23 by sg1912 |
Clearly you haven’t read the manifesto...
I’m done, you will never accept the majority do not agree with you. |
Good. Fûck off and take your tree stump of a brainstem with you. | | | |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 13:02 - Jan 23 with 1405 views | sg1912 |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 12:46 - Jan 23 by WarwickHunt |
Good. Fûck off and take your tree stump of a brainstem with you. |
“Kinder, gentler politics”
I will enjoy rubbing it in your face when we leave the SM and CU im March. | | | |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 13:03 - Jan 23 with 1402 views | WarwickHunt |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 13:02 - Jan 23 by sg1912 |
“Kinder, gentler politics”
I will enjoy rubbing it in your face when we leave the SM and CU im March. |
Wibble. | | | |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 13:11 - Jan 23 with 1398 views | Ace_Jack |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 13:02 - Jan 23 by sg1912 |
“Kinder, gentler politics”
I will enjoy rubbing it in your face when we leave the SM and CU im March. |
hahaha celebrating economic ruin to own the Libs. Classic. | | | |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 13:13 - Jan 23 with 1395 views | Highjack |
If I can make an attempt to wrench this thread back on topic, does anybody think the remainer tories will vote for this possible people’s vote amendment or will they play party politics not wanting to give labour political capital? |  |
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| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 13:23 - Jan 23 with 1386 views | sg1912 |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 13:11 - Jan 23 by Ace_Jack |
hahaha celebrating economic ruin to own the Libs. Classic. |
.. the meltdown will be spectacular, are you stockpiling yet? | | | |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 13:28 - Jan 23 with 1383 views | SPboy |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 13:23 - Jan 23 by sg1912 |
.. the meltdown will be spectacular, are you stockpiling yet? |
Advantage ... sg1912 ... service 🎾 |  | | |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 13:32 - Jan 23 with 1378 views | Ace_Jack |
| BREAKING!! Corbyn endorses campaign for second EU referendum! on 13:23 - Jan 23 by sg1912 |
.. the meltdown will be spectacular, are you stockpiling yet? |
no, because no deal isn't happening. | | | |
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