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No, not long, hopeless balls pumped up top but built from back to front with superb precision.
The 2 goals we scored yesterday were up there with the best we ever scored during our halcyon days and I've been worried about Nordvelt but always said his distribution was streets ahead of Fab's.
Twice we went from him in goal to score and wow, the fast, free flowing football has arrived, just a season too late.
These highlights are a joy to watch -
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Nordvelt to McBurnie - Fast, Free-Flowing Football FFF (TM) on 10:04 - Aug 7 by magicdaps10
I must say, I was impressed with what I seen Saturday
BUT
It is the first game, throw in the fact that the squad is very thin, I am a little more cautious before I go screaming like a teenage girl at a magic mike show.
I'm confident we'll get a few faces in, and Potter and his scout have made a great start in terms of players in. I don't think one will be Woods though, I think Clucas and Ayew deals will be too late in the day.
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Nordvelt to McBurnie - Fast, Free-Flowing Football FFF (TM) on 10:07 - Aug 7 by 34dfgdf54
I'm confident we'll get a few faces in, and Potter and his scout have made a great start in terms of players in. I don't think one will be Woods though, I think Clucas and Ayew deals will be too late in the day.
If we keep Clucas and not sign another CMF I wouldn't be overly upset about that.
If Fede stays..then f*ck McKenna and whoever else we'd replace him with..give him the captaincy instead of Fer imo and keep him.
We surely need a striker though..I'm sure Huw is thinking we don't need more..we have McBurnie, Bony when fit..Asoro and Dyer can fill in too so we're good.
Well we are not good in that department that's for sure..a new striker is a must.
Nordvelt to McBurnie - Fast, Free-Flowing Football FFF (TM) on 10:12 - Aug 7 by omarjack
If we keep Clucas and not sign another CMF I wouldn't be overly upset about that.
If Fede stays..then f*ck McKenna and whoever else we'd replace him with..give him the captaincy instead of Fer imo and keep him.
We surely need a striker though..I'm sure Huw is thinking we don't need more..we have McBurnie, Bony when fit..Asoro and Dyer can fill in too so we're good.
Well we are not good in that department that's for sure..a new striker is a must.
I'm not convinced Clucas could fit into how we play, especially in CM.
Definitely don't want Mckenna, from what I have seen, would rather keep Fede but there is no chance he will get captaincy.
Agree regardign striker, I think we'll be looking in loan market for that, would have been intrigued to see how this Nmecha performed, but doesn't look like it will be with us now.
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Nordvelt to McBurnie - Fast, Free-Flowing Football FFF (TM) on 10:17 - Aug 7 with 1135 views
Nordvelt to McBurnie - Fast, Free-Flowing Football FFF (TM) on 09:59 - Aug 7 by 34dfgdf54
So what was your post about last summer?
<<What is becoming clear though is that Viera and Mesa were not Clement signings, same as Chadli, same as Allen and same as Bony.
I think the only say he had was Tammy Abraham as the outlay was minimal. Huw and Mr Moneyball certainly rate themselves higher at spotting a player than Clement, which is a concern. I noted how lazy this transfer seemed to be at the time, which makes sense given what has emerged since. >>
Honestly, I'm not going to get into another endless debate with you, I can't be bothered, but you honestly contradict yourself all of the time, depending on which way you want to spin an argument.
Where is the contradiction?
You have a habit of quoting me (often misquoting me) and then pretending like it had any meaning.
What in that quote is the least bit contradictory then?
Nordvelt to McBurnie - Fast, Free-Flowing Football FFF (TM) on 08:17 - Aug 7 by 34dfgdf54
Completely understand that, I know you've been through a rough time, but with all due respect Huw Jenkins is not, and never will be top of my worry list either, there's more to life than football, but as this is a forum about Swansea City, I give my opinion on that.
Ps: May I also say, I hope everything is going as well as things can possibly be going at this present time for you, and hopefully the result on Saturday put a smile on your face at what must be an incredibly difficult time.
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Cheers for that. I have to be honest, on Saturday the second half gave me and I'm sure all Swans fans a big fillip. It was nice to see a Swans team going all out to win the game, and the bond between the players and fans seemed closer than it's been for a long time. To be immersed in the atmosphere with all the Swans fans was also a refreshing change from recent matches I've attended at the Liberty
"Sanity and happiness are an impossible combination" - Mark Twain
Nordvelt to McBurnie - Fast, Free-Flowing Football FFF (TM) on 10:22 - Aug 7 by 34dfgdf54
What have I misunderstood then? What do you mean by that quote?
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Post the thread so I can read it in context and tell you.
From it not in context it seems I am suggesting that we aren’t using Clements contacts, which is one of te main reasons I was not too unhappy at his appointment.
Nordvelt to McBurnie - Fast, Free-Flowing Football FFF (TM) on 10:45 - Aug 7 by E20Jack
Post the thread so I can read it in context and tell you.
From it not in context it seems I am suggesting that we aren’t using Clements contacts, which is one of te main reasons I was not too unhappy at his appointment.
Post the thread and I will tell you.
It was in the Viera thread which went on for 30 pages, I came across it when you accused me of wanting us to sign Viera, but I said I wanted someone with the attributes he had, not necessarily him if he was too expensive.
Nordvelt to McBurnie - Fast, Free-Flowing Football FFF (TM) on 09:52 - Aug 7 by jack247
I agree, you do. Though we had 3 new players starting plus Dhanda. We managed to play a lot of good football with 8 starters who were either here, or loaned out by us last season.
Genuinely wonder what would have happened if we had just about stayed up. I’d like to think we’d have gone down a similar route, been in a better position offloading players that didn’t fit the ethos and been able to replace them with better ‘footballing’ players.
In all likelihood though, Carlos would still be here and Jenkins would still be signing square pegs. Maybe relegation will actually end up being a good thing if it gets us back playing football and keeps him away from player recruitment.
It's ten times easier to find a Celina or McKay for the Championship on what would be great wages to them than to find players who'd have a similar impact in the big league.
Anyone who can't see this is either terminally thick, pig ignorant or full of shit.
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Nordvelt to McBurnie - Fast, Free-Flowing Football FFF (TM) on 10:16 - Aug 7 by 34dfgdf54
I'm not convinced Clucas could fit into how we play, especially in CM.
Definitely don't want Mckenna, from what I have seen, would rather keep Fede but there is no chance he will get captaincy.
Agree regardign striker, I think we'll be looking in loan market for that, would have been intrigued to see how this Nmecha performed, but doesn't look like it will be with us now.
McKenna must have been a Huw recruit.
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Nordvelt to McBurnie - Fast, Free-Flowing Football FFF (TM) on 11:03 - Aug 7 by 34dfgdf54
It was in the Viera thread which went on for 30 pages, I came across it when you accused me of wanting us to sign Viera, but I said I wanted someone with the attributes he had, not necessarily him if he was too expensive.
FFS mate pack it in.
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Nordvelt to McBurnie - Fast, Free-Flowing Football FFF (TM) on 11:06 - Aug 7 by TheResurrection
It's ten times easier to find a Celina or McKay for the Championship on what would be great wages to them than to find players who'd have a similar impact in the big league.
Anyone who can't see this is either terminally thick, pig ignorant or full of shit.
So this FFF was a load of bollocks at the time then? We weren’t going to be able to do it in the PL after selling Siggy and Llorente?
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Nordvelt to McBurnie - Fast, Free-Flowing Football FFF (TM) on 11:03 - Aug 7 by 34dfgdf54
It was in the Viera thread which went on for 30 pages, I came across it when you accused me of wanting us to sign Viera, but I said I wanted someone with the attributes he had, not necessarily him if he was too expensive.
Nordvelt to McBurnie - Fast, Free-Flowing Football FFF (TM) on 11:26 - Aug 7 by jack247
So this FFF was a load of bollocks at the time then? We weren’t going to be able to do it in the PL after selling Siggy and Llorente?
We couldn't do it. Not with the Americans involved in transfers as heavily as they were.
But you're right, you've got me there but it's still a fact. Buying players like the ones we've brought in and changing the squad as much as we needed to, it's ten times harder in the EPL.
There's so many different factors in play including the manager that would've kept us up and the players who are already here. What we were asking for is that review they promised us, but as the Summer came around a new problem fell in front of us - last Summer was the 29 points we'd picked up in the second half of that season.
Hindsight has now proved we'd have been better off being ruthless and getting rid of Clement but next to no one wanted that.
So it's a dilemma where there's no exact science and no perfect answers. Had we brought in wide players, technical players who are comfortable on the ball, and brought in pace, you know FFF, don't you think we could've got at least another 3 points to have stayed up?
The obvious answer to that is yes, but then we go back to the problem of Clement and the Americans who thought they knew what they were doing at the expense of making sure we had a fluid team in front of us.
All this with balancing 100m worth of wages.
People on here make it sound so easy. It's truly insulting.
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Nordvelt to McBurnie - Fast, Free-Flowing Football FFF (TM) on 12:25 - Aug 7 by TheResurrection
We couldn't do it. Not with the Americans involved in transfers as heavily as they were.
But you're right, you've got me there but it's still a fact. Buying players like the ones we've brought in and changing the squad as much as we needed to, it's ten times harder in the EPL.
There's so many different factors in play including the manager that would've kept us up and the players who are already here. What we were asking for is that review they promised us, but as the Summer came around a new problem fell in front of us - last Summer was the 29 points we'd picked up in the second half of that season.
Hindsight has now proved we'd have been better off being ruthless and getting rid of Clement but next to no one wanted that.
So it's a dilemma where there's no exact science and no perfect answers. Had we brought in wide players, technical players who are comfortable on the ball, and brought in pace, you know FFF, don't you think we could've got at least another 3 points to have stayed up?
The obvious answer to that is yes, but then we go back to the problem of Clement and the Americans who thought they knew what they were doing at the expense of making sure we had a fluid team in front of us.
All this with balancing 100m worth of wages.
People on here make it sound so easy. It's truly insulting.
SO are you saying then that Huw was not involved with last years siginings and strategy?
If so why didny he do the decent thing and walk?
So the Americans decided to sign Bony and Ayew?
I do believe "cashflow" had a factor in Ayew and Bony returning as Ithink part of their fees may have involved outstanding monies owed against their original transfers out form us
Nordvelt to McBurnie - Fast, Free-Flowing Football FFF (TM) on 12:25 - Aug 7 by TheResurrection
We couldn't do it. Not with the Americans involved in transfers as heavily as they were.
But you're right, you've got me there but it's still a fact. Buying players like the ones we've brought in and changing the squad as much as we needed to, it's ten times harder in the EPL.
There's so many different factors in play including the manager that would've kept us up and the players who are already here. What we were asking for is that review they promised us, but as the Summer came around a new problem fell in front of us - last Summer was the 29 points we'd picked up in the second half of that season.
Hindsight has now proved we'd have been better off being ruthless and getting rid of Clement but next to no one wanted that.
So it's a dilemma where there's no exact science and no perfect answers. Had we brought in wide players, technical players who are comfortable on the ball, and brought in pace, you know FFF, don't you think we could've got at least another 3 points to have stayed up?
The obvious answer to that is yes, but then we go back to the problem of Clement and the Americans who thought they knew what they were doing at the expense of making sure we had a fluid team in front of us.
All this with balancing 100m worth of wages.
People on here make it sound so easy. It's truly insulting.
That’s a very fair response and I’m not going to argue with any of it.
And going back to your previous post, yes, it’s clearly much easier to pick up bargains and mould a team to play more attractive football in the Championship. You’re up against inferior teams and there isn’t that ‘survive at all costs’ mentality that comes with the financial rewards of the PL.
I don’t think we could have transformed our style so quickly and certainly not as cheaply. There’s a huge nagging doubt in my mind though that had Jenkins both brought in a footballing manager and let him and his team identify the players we want, we could still be up there, punching above our weight and playing at least a version of what we saw Saturday.
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Nordvelt to McBurnie - Fast, Free-Flowing Football FFF (TM) on 13:03 - Aug 7 with 911 views
Nordvelt to McBurnie - Fast, Free-Flowing Football FFF (TM) on 09:46 - Aug 7 by E20Jack
Of course. His transfers brought us the success you became accustomed to. It is his transfers that have everyone buzzing with excitement at what is to come.
Do I think he made errors? Of course, everyone does, including whoever would replace him, and whoever would replace them, then them and them and them ad infinitum.
The fact we stayed there for 7 years surpassing our wildest ever dreams while presiding over transfers which equaled a net transfer fee spend of c.£2m a season is incredible.
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I think you need to get some facts straight.....Jenkins' sigining are actually mostly post Laudrup...the initial siginings were the work of Flynn,Kev Reeeves the latter fairly influential in spells as Flynns no2 and as scout under Martinez.In SOusas reign Huw had some influence, Trundle for one ...then Brendan used his contacts to bring in, SInclair,Borini Siggy,and Huws contribution included Emnes....then under Laudrup came Michu,Hernandez,whilst Jenkins gace us Ngog,Emnes,.
the stats show us since Laudrup left our signings have not been as "spectacular" as those prior to him joining and this is refelected in the fact that the previous scouting teams and mangers used their knowledge and contacts well.
Yes Huw has been at the helm for our most succesful period in our history BUT he has done it riding his luck and hanging on the tailcoats of others.
HE made some brave decisions along the way which could have backfired but actually worked for us.....the appointment of Roberto as a rookie manager, Brendans appointment given his earlier managerial failings,the coup of securing Laudrup but for all of those there are those appointments whihc went wrong....appointing Monk as Manager full time and allowing him to sideline Curtis...going back on all that had beensaid about Curt always remaining for "continuity" following Roberto's departure( the same was said about PAscoe but he jumped ship with Brendan)...we all know the history post Garry and included in this we hae the influence of the Americans.
Once more it appears we have struck "gold" with this manager and his staff.....also I dont think the return of Curt to the coaching set up can be undewrestimated....but also it appears our previous scouting/recruitment team has been dismissed....who employed them? Huw!! Maybe the Yanks have said enough is enough and are passing the baton to Graham and his team having done a review and relaised it was others with knowledge and nous who chose the players all HUw did was sign the papers!
YEs Huw has been at the helm for the good times but he has also been largely responsible for our demise and do not forget a HUGE part in the betrayal of the club with its sellout!
Not getting carried away ... yet. Sheffield played win win and left massive spaces to exploit, but we did have players to exploit them. Sheffield also stayed off players. Saturday will be more of. realistic test. PNE will be more cautious and more physical. (We also have an utter taunt refereeing.)
Nordvelt to McBurnie - Fast, Free-Flowing Football FFF (TM) on 09:04 - Aug 7 by E20Jack
You need players to be able to play football in order to appoint a manager in order to make them play that way. It’s far easier saying than doing otherwise everyone would be doing it. You are also assuming that whoever replaced him in the transfer market would be successful, even though every single club outside the top 6 of the Premier League fails at it eventually.
Think that is a rose tinted and unrealistic view. Otherwise you could say “imagine if someone else made better decisions” to absolutely any scenario and by that reckoning we should never be relegated and be one of the best teams in the land. What we achieved under his guidance was already incredible, to knock that because you wanted even more isn’t really a fair standpoint given it was our most successful period in our history as it is.
Superb post.
I want a mate like Flashberryjacks, who wears a Barnsley jersey with "Swans are my second team" on the back.
Nordvelt to McBurnie - Fast, Free-Flowing Football FFF (TM) on 13:12 - Aug 7 by Neath_Jack
The classic Planet Gimp transfer formula.
Any player signed who turns out to be good = the manager at that time signed them.
Any player signed who turns out to be shite = Huw Jenkins signed them.
Simplistic, one dimensional thinking.
Is that what I said? As I guess you are referring to my post
Along the way it is possible Huw has unearthed a gem or two....but I was responding to E20s ( and the more I read their posts I am convinced it is MR T2C under a different guise) post regarding to how people are "treating " Huw
What I was highlighting is our "successes" in the the transfer market came from the "football " persons discussed.....personally I believe whilst Huw gets the "credit" for these failed siginings they are the result of recommendations of Leadbetter and his team ...who have now departed.....that said I waill always beleive that Trundle resigning along with that of Emnes are down to the fanboy in Huw wanting their return based on what they had been for us ...Trundle with his entertnaiment and Emnes for that day in Cardiff!
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