| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? 21:20 - Jul 28 with 25982 views | Swansea93 |
I appreciate the attempts last season of certain groups trying to start some chants and protests, and I'm not jumping the gun and being negative here, but since Huw said he'd step down if we were relegated and he's still here is abit of joke, he's hired Potter and hasn't given him any backing in the market as of yet and is clearly calling the shots still. When are we all actually going to get Jenkins out because I don't think we can 'rebuild' with him still here, how many fans are actually going to forgive him for the sh!te he's caused the last few years? With Andre Ayew leaving on loan is a prime example of how Huw has run the club the past few years, big money signings on big wages leaving for next to nothing. Yes we all appreciate what he and others did for the club all them years ago, but we've moved on since that and we're talking about now & the future which he has shat on.
Eder, Tabanou, Borja, Ayew, Bony, Clucas, Ngog, Mesa to name a few of his signings that have all cost a club of our size a fortune,not to mention the questionable decisions he's made e.g not bringing Allen back when he had the chance, handing out long contracts to squad players who weren't playing in the first team. He stated we'd learn from mistakes which they clearly havent it's the same old story every time, we start the season in 7 days and we have signed 1 player officially for the '1st team' and if we start off bad Potter is going to get the blame for this whilst Huw is tucked up in his directors box getting away with all the sh!t. |  |
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| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 19:32 - Jul 29 with 1553 views | Wingstandwood |
| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 19:17 - Jul 29 by Shaky |
It is all a bit if a double-edged sword.
Debt is high in absolute terms and needs to come down, in my view by something in the order of £30m from my estimated level of around £70m currently, to put the club on a sustainable path in the medium term.
That can potentially be released by selling Mawson, Clucas, J Ayew, and leave a small amount for a couple of new signings.
However, unless the total wage bill is also slashed, the club will still likely be bleeding cash next season, and it strikes me that more needs to be done to shift players either on loan or outright, otherwise the net debt position will just steadily climb back to unsustainable levels.
However, I must admit I can not get good forecasting visibility on this as I don't know the individual salaries or the relegation clauses. |
Thanks! The next club balance sheet/accounts release is going to be interesting to be sure....After listening to the Dineen interview I think himself, Jenkins and Yanks are going to be rather disappointed because selling was not only to manage debt but to also bring in new players, and to sustain ongoings off the field of play.
From the outside looking in IMO movement has been rather limited (to what was expected) and slow also i.e. hence lack of transfer activity so far. |  |
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| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 19:36 - Jul 29 with 1542 views | Shaky |
| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 19:32 - Jul 29 by Wingstandwood |
Thanks! The next club balance sheet/accounts release is going to be interesting to be sure....After listening to the Dineen interview I think himself, Jenkins and Yanks are going to be rather disappointed because selling was not only to manage debt but to also bring in new players, and to sustain ongoings off the field of play.
From the outside looking in IMO movement has been rather limited (to what was expected) and slow also i.e. hence lack of transfer activity so far. |
Agreed, but there is still quite of time, for example more than a month to try to shift Bony overseas, which would make a big dent in the wage costs. |  |
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| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 19:37 - Jul 29 with 1531 views | TheResurrection |
| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 19:17 - Jul 29 by Shaky |
It is all a bit if a double-edged sword.
Debt is high in absolute terms and needs to come down, in my view by something in the order of £30m from my estimated level of around £70m currently, to put the club on a sustainable path in the medium term.
That can potentially be released by selling Mawson, Clucas, J Ayew, and leave a small amount for a couple of new signings.
However, unless the total wage bill is also slashed, the club will still likely be bleeding cash next season, and it strikes me that more needs to be done to shift players either on loan or outright, otherwise the net debt position will just steadily climb back to unsustainable levels.
However, I must admit I can not get good forecasting visibility on this as I don't know the individual salaries or the relegation clauses. |
Doesn't stop you spouting your bullshit though does it...
You said our wage bill was 90 odd million yeah, that included Siggy, Llorente, Fab, Ki, Rangel and Leon to name some from the top of my head, even Ash maybe, yeah?
The ones we brought in would've been on nothing like that so our current wage bill right here, right now is already significantly less, which makes your scaremongering just that. All fur coat and no knickers. |  |
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| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 19:40 - Jul 29 with 1526 views | Shaky |
| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 19:37 - Jul 29 by TheResurrection |
Doesn't stop you spouting your bullshit though does it...
You said our wage bill was 90 odd million yeah, that included Siggy, Llorente, Fab, Ki, Rangel and Leon to name some from the top of my head, even Ash maybe, yeah?
The ones we brought in would've been on nothing like that so our current wage bill right here, right now is already significantly less, which makes your scaremongering just that. All fur coat and no knickers. |
You should really try to think these things though properly first before spouting off, hotshot. | |
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| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 19:43 - Jul 29 with 1518 views | JackSomething |
| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 18:25 - Jul 29 by TheResurrection |
Of course you've forensically studied those as well, haven't you?!?
Fack off you fraud.
Hope that helps an all.... |
So you ask for an example and when you get one, do the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting as loud as you can so you don't have to listen to it? |  |
| You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help. |
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| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 19:45 - Jul 29 with 1505 views | TheResurrection |
| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 19:40 - Jul 29 by Shaky |
You should really try to think these things though properly first before spouting off, hotshot. |
Go on.... | |
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| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 19:47 - Jul 29 with 1499 views | TheResurrection |
| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 19:43 - Jul 29 by JackSomething |
So you ask for an example and when you get one, do the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting as loud as you can so you don't have to listen to it? |
An example of what? Do you mean the one line comparison with no context whatsoever that he came back with? | |
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| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 19:51 - Jul 29 with 1498 views | Shaky |
| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 19:45 - Jul 29 by TheResurrection |
Go on.... |
Go on?
And fcuk yourself?
If so you read my mind. | |
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| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 19:54 - Jul 29 with 1495 views | jasfan |
Since the end of last season the new owners have appointed the manager's own recruitment team, met with him in America to discuss the short, medium and long term strategy and stated that he "will be the single most important voice" in deciding on which players to bring in.
I'd assume that this has diminished HJ's role in recruitment to some extent. If the new approach is successful they may feel more confident in moving HJ on. [Post edited 29 Jul 2018 19:56]
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| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 19:56 - Jul 29 with 1477 views | TheResurrection |
| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 19:51 - Jul 29 by Shaky |
Go on?
And fcuk yourself?
If so you read my mind. |
Exactly, pipe down Denmark, if you can't elaborate on your doomsaying piss off. | |
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| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 19:57 - Jul 29 with 1471 views | TheResurrection |
| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 19:54 - Jul 29 by jasfan |
Since the end of last season the new owners have appointed the manager's own recruitment team, met with him in America to discuss the short, medium and long term strategy and stated that he "will be the single most important voice" in deciding on which players to bring in.
I'd assume that this has diminished HJ's role in recruitment to some extent. If the new approach is successful they may feel more confident in moving HJ on. [Post edited 29 Jul 2018 19:56]
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| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 20:00 - Jul 29 with 1465 views | moonie |
No ,it's not a great point ,simply one you agree with .
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| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 20:05 - Jul 29 with 1451 views | waynekerr55 |
| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 19:54 - Jul 29 by jasfan |
Since the end of last season the new owners have appointed the manager's own recruitment team, met with him in America to discuss the short, medium and long term strategy and stated that he "will be the single most important voice" in deciding on which players to bring in.
I'd assume that this has diminished HJ's role in recruitment to some extent. If the new approach is successful they may feel more confident in moving HJ on. [Post edited 29 Jul 2018 19:56]
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My question about this. Jenkins has stayed away from the tour, been sidelined in recruitment and its been alleged that Pearlman is now calling the shots. If this is true why the fück are the club spunking 10 bags a week on his salary for? |  |
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| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 20:10 - Jul 29 with 1429 views | TheResurrection |
| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 20:05 - Jul 29 by waynekerr55 |
My question about this. Jenkins has stayed away from the tour, been sidelined in recruitment and its been alleged that Pearlman is now calling the shots. If this is true why the fück are the club spunking 10 bags a week on his salary for? |
Why do you think?
Because everyone is taking out their shit on him and giving the Americans an easy time. | |
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| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 20:26 - Jul 29 with 1417 views | Shaky |
| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 20:10 - Jul 29 by TheResurrection |
Why do you think?
Because everyone is taking out their shit on him and giving the Americans an easy time. |
Does that mean your argument has pivoted from Jenkins being an indispensable management genius to an indispensable whipping boy? | |
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| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 20:34 - Jul 29 with 1384 views | Darran |
| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 20:26 - Jul 29 by Shaky |
Does that mean your argument has pivoted from Jenkins being an indispensable management genius to an indispensable whipping boy? |
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| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 20:38 - Jul 29 with 1379 views | waynekerr55 |
| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 20:10 - Jul 29 by TheResurrection |
Why do you think?
Because everyone is taking out their shit on him and giving the Americans an easy time. |
An expensive strategy, if true of course! | |
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| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 20:42 - Jul 29 with 1369 views | jasfan |
| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 20:05 - Jul 29 by waynekerr55 |
My question about this. Jenkins has stayed away from the tour, been sidelined in recruitment and its been alleged that Pearlman is now calling the shots. If this is true why the fück are the club spunking 10 bags a week on his salary for? |
Indeed. I don't think a championship club can justify paying both of the reported salaries of HJ and CP.
Apart from taking all the flak (as has been mentioned) they will keep HJ until such time that they identify someone else who can also do the negotiating of transfer fees, contracts etc. , leaving CP to run the club operationally, all no doubt on reduced salaries. [Post edited 29 Jul 2018 20:46]
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| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 20:57 - Jul 29 with 1336 views | Jinxy |
It's not simply a matter of if/when HJ leaves the club, more so his motive for staying. Is it money? Not sure, as he obviously is more than comfortable. Lisa (I greatly respect you btw) quotes how corporations normally work - and I understand this - but football clubs are certainly different - there's emotion etc. involved. As I've said, I think HJ will walk, when the time feels right for him (and I think this will be soon), but I for one am not convinced that's 100% in the interests of the club, longer term.
He (and others) did so many good things, and a few really really bad ones - greed or protecting their investments, which for a few seasons looked like they could go down the swannie (no pun intended). Maybe he is the victim of upbringing/previous work culture, who knows - in any case, bad form. I started out in the electrical engineering field and a foreman once said to me "you're only as good as your last fuse"! Harsh eh, but c'est la vie HJ. I think he would ideally like to set us on a progressive path, then go. If we have no Swansea based people at the helm, then the club could just as well be called Timbuktu FC, who play in Swansea - probably like most clubs. I'm not advocating he should go/stay - just pointing out that it's OK to push for change, just have progressive alternatives lined up. |  | | |
| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 21:11 - Jul 29 with 1296 views | swan65split |
| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 20:57 - Jul 29 by Jinxy |
It's not simply a matter of if/when HJ leaves the club, more so his motive for staying. Is it money? Not sure, as he obviously is more than comfortable. Lisa (I greatly respect you btw) quotes how corporations normally work - and I understand this - but football clubs are certainly different - there's emotion etc. involved. As I've said, I think HJ will walk, when the time feels right for him (and I think this will be soon), but I for one am not convinced that's 100% in the interests of the club, longer term.
He (and others) did so many good things, and a few really really bad ones - greed or protecting their investments, which for a few seasons looked like they could go down the swannie (no pun intended). Maybe he is the victim of upbringing/previous work culture, who knows - in any case, bad form. I started out in the electrical engineering field and a foreman once said to me "you're only as good as your last fuse"! Harsh eh, but c'est la vie HJ. I think he would ideally like to set us on a progressive path, then go. If we have no Swansea based people at the helm, then the club could just as well be called Timbuktu FC, who play in Swansea - probably like most clubs. I'm not advocating he should go/stay - just pointing out that it's OK to push for change, just have progressive alternatives lined up. |
Now Jack to a King 2 would be.......if the sellouts had any guilt, and regret....or if they are that good as some say, buy the Club back and go again!.........now what a pantomime that would be ,
More chance of Hell freezing over.
Resign now you conkwombles. |  | | |
| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 21:13 - Jul 29 with 1291 views | Shaky |
| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 20:57 - Jul 29 by Jinxy |
It's not simply a matter of if/when HJ leaves the club, more so his motive for staying. Is it money? Not sure, as he obviously is more than comfortable. Lisa (I greatly respect you btw) quotes how corporations normally work - and I understand this - but football clubs are certainly different - there's emotion etc. involved. As I've said, I think HJ will walk, when the time feels right for him (and I think this will be soon), but I for one am not convinced that's 100% in the interests of the club, longer term.
He (and others) did so many good things, and a few really really bad ones - greed or protecting their investments, which for a few seasons looked like they could go down the swannie (no pun intended). Maybe he is the victim of upbringing/previous work culture, who knows - in any case, bad form. I started out in the electrical engineering field and a foreman once said to me "you're only as good as your last fuse"! Harsh eh, but c'est la vie HJ. I think he would ideally like to set us on a progressive path, then go. If we have no Swansea based people at the helm, then the club could just as well be called Timbuktu FC, who play in Swansea - probably like most clubs. I'm not advocating he should go/stay - just pointing out that it's OK to push for change, just have progressive alternatives lined up. |
I no longer think it is plausible to suppose he is master of his own destiny at the club, because by all rights he really should have been sacked for failure on and off the field.
To me the more interesting question is why has Kaplan not pulled the trigger, and my leading theories remain that they are either gambling on a immediate return to the Prem and want to give the appearance of being open for business as usual, or else that they have lost interest completely. | |
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| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 21:20 - Jul 29 with 1274 views | Cooperman |
| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 21:13 - Jul 29 by Shaky |
I no longer think it is plausible to suppose he is master of his own destiny at the club, because by all rights he really should have been sacked for failure on and off the field.
To me the more interesting question is why has Kaplan not pulled the trigger, and my leading theories remain that they are either gambling on a immediate return to the Prem and want to give the appearance of being open for business as usual, or else that they have lost interest completely. |
Or it could be that they haven't got a clue about what to do in football in this country and that they see Jenkins as the only hope. |  |
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| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 21:25 - Jul 29 with 1269 views | Shaky |
| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 21:20 - Jul 29 by Cooperman |
Or it could be that they haven't got a clue about what to do in football in this country and that they see Jenkins as the only hope. |
I am sure any decent recruitment consultant could find a long list of competent football people willing to take the job for say half a million per annum.
Furthermore it would be an easy management decision to take, as the only people really complaining would be the Saviour and Dim. | |
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| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 23:02 - Jul 29 with 1195 views | Jinxy |
| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 21:13 - Jul 29 by Shaky |
I no longer think it is plausible to suppose he is master of his own destiny at the club, because by all rights he really should have been sacked for failure on and off the field.
To me the more interesting question is why has Kaplan not pulled the trigger, and my leading theories remain that they are either gambling on a immediate return to the Prem and want to give the appearance of being open for business as usual, or else that they have lost interest completely. |
If they wanted immediate return, in my view they wouldn't have endorsed GP's appointment and probably gone for a more "trusted" big name etc.. Option 2: lost interest - it's not a plaything, e.g. Abramovich, to them - a pure financial "investment". So, they look for return. I think they've bought into the longer game and jam tomorrow plan (credit/guilt HJ ,maybe?), which is good-ish news. Who knows.
As I say walk/fired maybe, but what does the alternative look like? | | | |
| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 23:51 - Jul 29 with 1163 views | Cooperman |
| When will we actually get Huw Jenkins out of the club? on 21:25 - Jul 29 by Shaky |
I am sure any decent recruitment consultant could find a long list of competent football people willing to take the job for say half a million per annum.
Furthermore it would be an easy management decision to take, as the only people really complaining would be the Saviour and Dim. |
They are probably looking at the ROI of Pearlman and thinking that maybe Jenkins is a better option. Afterall his CV can boast ten plus years of sustained growth. | |
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