| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) 17:38 - Nov 14 with 7311 views | VetchitBack |
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 17:41 - Nov 14 with 3008 views | Private_Partz |
Islam is a religion not and adult. |  |
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 17:44 - Nov 14 with 3000 views | exiledclaseboy |
When it gets a job, a mortgage or leaves home? |  |
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 17:47 - Nov 14 with 2989 views | Private_Partz |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 17:44 - Nov 14 by exiledclaseboy |
When it gets a job, a mortgage or leaves home? |
Three laughs! You are in the wrong job pal :-) | |
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 17:55 - Nov 14 with 2955 views | Highjack |
It'll get treated like an adult when it acts like an adult. |  |
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 17:56 - Nov 14 with 2949 views | VetchitBack |
Whoa... really didn't expect humourous responses, didn't think it was a tad too soon no?
Probably easier to reply in that tone than discuss some unpalatable and uncomfortable truths? [Post edited 14 Nov 2015 17:57]
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 18:01 - Nov 14 with 2914 views | Private_Partz |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 17:56 - Nov 14 by VetchitBack |
Whoa... really didn't expect humourous responses, didn't think it was a tad too soon no?
Probably easier to reply in that tone than discuss some unpalatable and uncomfortable truths? [Post edited 14 Nov 2015 17:57]
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Pop in a one liner header with no text and that is the response you get. It is a serious situation and I am happy to have a chat but a bit more effort on your behalf is needed. | |
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 18:02 - Nov 14 with 2905 views | blueytheblue |
For me, looking at the whole Sunny / Shia divide parallels Protestant / Catholic divisions. I'd say in terms of where Islam is compared to Christianity in terms of evolution, you're looking at possibly 200 years difference, possibly even more? |  |
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 18:06 - Nov 14 with 2885 views | Private_Partz |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 18:02 - Nov 14 by blueytheblue |
For me, looking at the whole Sunny / Shia divide parallels Protestant / Catholic divisions. I'd say in terms of where Islam is compared to Christianity in terms of evolution, you're looking at possibly 200 years difference, possibly even more? |
Fair do's I did not know wtf he was on about. | |
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 18:08 - Nov 14 with 2879 views | VetchitBack |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 18:01 - Nov 14 by Private_Partz |
Pop in a one liner header with no text and that is the response you get. It is a serious situation and I am happy to have a chat but a bit more effort on your behalf is needed. |
Ok let me patronise you and a few others which I didn't think was necessary but am being told it is.
When are Islam and Muslims going to be held account for their crimes? You know in the way that an adult is responsible for his or her actions but a child is not? [Post edited 14 Nov 2015 18:10]
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 18:18 - Nov 14 with 2842 views | bluenile |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 18:08 - Nov 14 by VetchitBack |
Ok let me patronise you and a few others which I didn't think was necessary but am being told it is.
When are Islam and Muslims going to be held account for their crimes? You know in the way that an adult is responsible for his or her actions but a child is not? [Post edited 14 Nov 2015 18:10]
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 18:20 - Nov 14 with 2835 views | Highjack |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 18:08 - Nov 14 by VetchitBack |
Ok let me patronise you and a few others which I didn't think was necessary but am being told it is.
When are Islam and Muslims going to be held account for their crimes? You know in the way that an adult is responsible for his or her actions but a child is not? [Post edited 14 Nov 2015 18:10]
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Because they aren't crimes of Islam any more than priests shagging their choirboys is crimes of Catholicism.
Are you suggesting all Muslims should be punished for the actions of a relatively small group of Muslims? | |
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 18:22 - Nov 14 with 2822 views | Private_Partz |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 18:08 - Nov 14 by VetchitBack |
Ok let me patronise you and a few others which I didn't think was necessary but am being told it is.
When are Islam and Muslims going to be held account for their crimes? You know in the way that an adult is responsible for his or her actions but a child is not? [Post edited 14 Nov 2015 18:10]
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Well I would say that Islam extremists are being held to account for their crimes when they are caught, been shot or blown themselves up. I hope these vile extremists get the full force of the law but they can only get that when we catch them.
You surely cannot be saying that every Muslim should be held to account for ISIS because their religion is Islam? | |
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 18:23 - Nov 14 with 2816 views | perchrockjack |
I love answer that
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But it can only be Islam that stops it, because that is at the core.
Respect each other boys. | |
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 18:28 - Nov 14 with 2808 views | VetchitBack |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 18:20 - Nov 14 by Highjack |
Because they aren't crimes of Islam any more than priests shagging their choirboys is crimes of Catholicism.
Are you suggesting all Muslims should be punished for the actions of a relatively small group of Muslims? |
I'd prefer to believe the perpetrators who shout Aliahu Akbar than you on that one Highjack.
I don't believe I made any mention of punish.
But take some collective religious responsibility? Examine why their religion causes these acts? March, protest, attack their extreme elements like we do ours?
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This is their problem and they should seek to solve it internally before we are forced to address it externally in a way which could only be messy, | |
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 18:28 - Nov 14 with 2801 views | Private_Partz |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 18:23 - Nov 14 by perchrockjack |
I love answer that
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But it can only be Islam that stops it, because that is at the core.
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No. Islam. / Muslims cannot stop it. They can help in their communities. There are lots of other things to come into play before this can be sorted. Btw Everyone is being nice on this thread .... So far. | |
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 18:28 - Nov 14 with 2800 views | LeonisGod |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 18:02 - Nov 14 by blueytheblue |
For me, looking at the whole Sunny / Shia divide parallels Protestant / Catholic divisions. I'd say in terms of where Islam is compared to Christianity in terms of evolution, you're looking at possibly 200 years difference, possibly even more? |
I thought Wahhabism is the problem impacting the west, not Suni / Shia divides. Wahhabism is underpins Al Queada and IS. Wahhabism is supported in Saudi Arabia and is essentially being legitimised by the West's failures to bring the Saudi's to account. |  | | |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 18:32 - Nov 14 with 2781 views | perchrockjack |
I believe they can.
Look at other threads regarding respect.
It's an interpretation of Quran.
It would help if dying was not seen as a glorious objective. | |
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 18:34 - Nov 14 with 2778 views | Private_Partz |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 18:28 - Nov 14 by VetchitBack |
I'd prefer to believe the perpetrators who shout Aliahu Akbar than you on that one Highjack.
I don't believe I made any mention of punish.
But take some collective religious responsibility? Examine why their religion causes these acts? March, protest, attack their extreme elements like we do ours?
Absolutely.
This is their problem and they should seek to solve it internally before we are forced to address it externally in a way which could only be messy, |
Well we are addressing it externally so that ship has sailed. I agree though that Muslims / Islam have a part to play in this and it has to be dealt with at their religious meetings as well. I suspect we are leaders in the UK in this field and could even be a blueprint for others to follow. it isimportant that all the non radical Islamic leaders are on board on this. | |
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 08:20 - Nov 15 with 2629 views | VetchitBack |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 18:34 - Nov 14 by Private_Partz |
Well we are addressing it externally so that ship has sailed. I agree though that Muslims / Islam have a part to play in this and it has to be dealt with at their religious meetings as well. I suspect we are leaders in the UK in this field and could even be a blueprint for others to follow. it isimportant that all the non radical Islamic leaders are on board on this. |
No clearly we aren't "dealing with it" at the moment.
I also meant in my O.P when is it gong to start being their fault (the terrorists not all Muslims) and nt the fault of Bush, Blair (who I despise by the way), the EDL etc etc...?
And to add another point how are so many of you sure "what the terrorists want"?
"We must not turn against each other because that is what the Terrorists want"
Maybe, just maybe they want Islam to take over the West. To play devil's advocate by NOT even in a small way rethinking our attitude to letting more and more Muslims into the West in the long-term considering the demographics we ARE giving the terrorists what they want. | |
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 09:41 - Nov 15 with 2569 views | Jackattack |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 18:20 - Nov 14 by Highjack |
Because they aren't crimes of Islam any more than priests shagging their choirboys is crimes of Catholicism.
Are you suggesting all Muslims should be punished for the actions of a relatively small group of Muslims? |
It is a often used example on here, but can I just point out that it is not only Catholic priests that are guilty of abusing children, or for that matter, only priests of whatever denomination. What about the police, teachers, family friends, family members etc guilty of such horrendous crimes?
As for recent events in Paris and elsewhere, where do we even start?? :-( |  | | |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 10:15 - Nov 15 with 2544 views | Highjack |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 18:28 - Nov 14 by VetchitBack |
I'd prefer to believe the perpetrators who shout Aliahu Akbar than you on that one Highjack.
I don't believe I made any mention of punish.
But take some collective religious responsibility? Examine why their religion causes these acts? March, protest, attack their extreme elements like we do ours?
Absolutely.
This is their problem and they should seek to solve it internally before we are forced to address it externally in a way which could only be messy, |
And what percentage of the billions of Muslims on this planet shout that and blow themselves up?
Probably less than 0.0000000000001%. They cannot possibly represent an entire people. | |
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 10:21 - Nov 15 with 2533 views | perchrockjack |
Not sure why you want to compare with other religions highjack.
This is a unique Islam issue.
Not sure Christianity has had adherents that would want to act on this scale. Not for many centuries anyway and that s the rub. This is medieval evil | |
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 10:24 - Nov 15 with 2526 views | blueytheblue |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 18:28 - Nov 14 by LeonisGod |
I thought Wahhabism is the problem impacting the west, not Suni / Shia divides. Wahhabism is underpins Al Queada and IS. Wahhabism is supported in Saudi Arabia and is essentially being legitimised by the West's failures to bring the Saudi's to account. |
Agreed with regards to ISIL; I was just comparing factions within Islam with factions within Christianity to show the relative state of evolution of Islam at the moment. | |
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 10:28 - Nov 15 with 2520 views | Highjack |
i havent compared anything. Just pointing out that the actions of a small group of individuals shouldn't tar billions of people and used the catholic kiddy shagging as an example.
I could have used non religion examples such as making all football fans apologise for the corruption in Fifa etc. | |
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| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 10:31 - Nov 15 with 2516 views | Private_Partz |
| When are we going to be allowed to start treating Islam like an adult? (n/t) on 08:20 - Nov 15 by VetchitBack |
No clearly we aren't "dealing with it" at the moment.
I also meant in my O.P when is it gong to start being their fault (the terrorists not all Muslims) and nt the fault of Bush, Blair (who I despise by the way), the EDL etc etc...?
And to add another point how are so many of you sure "what the terrorists want"?
"We must not turn against each other because that is what the Terrorists want"
Maybe, just maybe they want Islam to take over the West. To play devil's advocate by NOT even in a small way rethinking our attitude to letting more and more Muslims into the West in the long-term considering the demographics we ARE giving the terrorists what they want. |
So you think Middle East ground forces plus air strikes by Russia, America and France is not dealing with it externally? Most observers say that ISIS are losing considerable ground in their so called state.
If you plant a bomb or shoot an innocent person then you are guilty end of. It does not mean that the West's foreign policy has not created the vacuum for these mad people to thrive in. In short we have created more problems than we have solved. Iraq, Syria, Lybia, Afgahnistan etc are examples.
It is what the terrorists want. They want to create a division and bring on board every Muslim so a holy war can take place against the values of the modern world. Hatred of Islam in general and peace loving Muslems in particular is a good way to start for them.
Closing boarders to Muslims, which I think that is what you are suggesting, will only cause massive deaths as those return to war torn countries or die outside fences created by those countries banning them.
We have to sort out the root causes first and witch hunts will not do that. In fact I would say such actions would make those poor people ripe for ISIS recruitment. [Post edited 15 Nov 2015 10:36]
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