| Pompey 10:19 - Aug 10 with 2396 views | kingsburyR |
Saved (for now) but without a senior player surely the 5/6 on offer for relegation is a banker?
Does anyone know if they can sign players in this window? |  |
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| Pompey on 13:38 - Aug 10 with 496 views | WeaverQPR |
So its abit like your mate who can't afford to pay the £50 he owes you but he can still afford to go on the piss on satuday night? |  |
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| Pompey on 13:54 - Aug 10 with 485 views | baz_qpr |
| Pompey on 13:27 - Aug 10 by Vish |
agree with that. no matter what he earns, he has a right to that money.
his proper salary of £36k/week may be a lot, however from when he signed that contract he may have made provisions in his life on what to do with that cash.
Who knows, maybe he has a training camp or something similar back in Isreal that he funds himself. losing this money is a big deal for him, as it would be for most people. |
If he has a "salary" he should be able to be made redundant like any other employee of any other company, only at a football club you can't make the position of "player" redundant and replace with "Junior player" etc. However all the other non playing staff at the club are liable to redundancy.
If you are a contractor you make a credit agreement like every other contractor or you get nothing if the company goes bust. In which case as a contractor you have some responsibility for checking the credit worthiness of the person / company you are contracting with.
Footballers seem to be in some neverland here unlike any other employee / creditor, i dont see why I should feel sympathy. He took big wages to go to a club which was clearly a risk. No one else was going to pay those wages he took his initial danger money and lost. |  | | |
| Pompey on 14:34 - Aug 10 with 470 views | Jamie |
Of course a footballer can be made redundant. Its called a contract termination and happens all the time. This though requires the club to compensate the departing player.
Pompey had every chance to make Ben-Haim and the rest of the squad redundant but they didn't want to because they would have to repay the millions accrued and due to them. |  | | |
| Pompey on 14:47 - Aug 10 with 457 views | toboboly |
| Pompey on 13:54 - Aug 10 by baz_qpr |
If he has a "salary" he should be able to be made redundant like any other employee of any other company, only at a football club you can't make the position of "player" redundant and replace with "Junior player" etc. However all the other non playing staff at the club are liable to redundancy.
If you are a contractor you make a credit agreement like every other contractor or you get nothing if the company goes bust. In which case as a contractor you have some responsibility for checking the credit worthiness of the person / company you are contracting with.
Footballers seem to be in some neverland here unlike any other employee / creditor, i dont see why I should feel sympathy. He took big wages to go to a club which was clearly a risk. No one else was going to pay those wages he took his initial danger money and lost. |
If you are made redundant you get a pay-off. Whilst I don't agree with overinflated wages he signed a legally binding contract in good faith. Pompey screwed him, local businesses, tax payers. |  |
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| Pompey on 16:10 - Aug 10 with 437 views | baz_qpr |
| Pompey on 14:47 - Aug 10 by toboboly |
If you are made redundant you get a pay-off. Whilst I don't agree with overinflated wages he signed a legally binding contract in good faith. Pompey screwed him, local businesses, tax payers. |
The vast majority of people made redundant get statutory redundancy, some more lucky than others may get a couple of weeks pay for each full year of employment. Local businesses get some form of payment in the pound, yet footballers are supposedly entitled to have their contract paid up in full. So its not the same as the other employees of the club or other contractors to the club. It is a unique position it seems to footballers | | | |
| Pompey on 16:36 - Aug 10 with 406 views | curdie |
| Pompey on 16:10 - Aug 10 by baz_qpr |
The vast majority of people made redundant get statutory redundancy, some more lucky than others may get a couple of weeks pay for each full year of employment. Local businesses get some form of payment in the pound, yet footballers are supposedly entitled to have their contract paid up in full. So its not the same as the other employees of the club or other contractors to the club. It is a unique position it seems to footballers |
You cant make somebody redundant simply on their wage alone (which woul be the case here). Redundancy is about removing 'roles' that are no longer required by the company (you have to be careful that you seperate specific roles from the people in those roles ). The company would have to have a solid case for redundancies (administration is certainly one of them!).
In this case, to ensure fairness, you might have to put all of the 'footballer roles' up at risk of redundancy, go through a consultation period, assess all of the "at risk" employees, keep those with the best skillset, offer a severance package to those that will exit (which could be statuatory redundancy), and be very careful that you dont immediately hire someone into a similar role afterwards to reduce the risk of the person who was made redundant bringing a tribunal claim for unfair dismissal. Replacing with a 'junior role', especially if this is a younger person, could bring about an age discrimination claim that would be pretty hard to defend.
Also redundancy just applies to permanent employees (not those on a contract basis like footballers), so the above does not apply. | | | |
| Pompey on 16:49 - Aug 10 with 396 views | jonno |
| Pompey on 16:36 - Aug 10 by curdie |
You cant make somebody redundant simply on their wage alone (which woul be the case here). Redundancy is about removing 'roles' that are no longer required by the company (you have to be careful that you seperate specific roles from the people in those roles ). The company would have to have a solid case for redundancies (administration is certainly one of them!).
In this case, to ensure fairness, you might have to put all of the 'footballer roles' up at risk of redundancy, go through a consultation period, assess all of the "at risk" employees, keep those with the best skillset, offer a severance package to those that will exit (which could be statuatory redundancy), and be very careful that you dont immediately hire someone into a similar role afterwards to reduce the risk of the person who was made redundant bringing a tribunal claim for unfair dismissal. Replacing with a 'junior role', especially if this is a younger person, could bring about an age discrimination claim that would be pretty hard to defend.
Also redundancy just applies to permanent employees (not those on a contract basis like footballers), so the above does not apply. |
That is exactly correct, and is how the redundancy process works. As stated, it does not apply to contracted staff such as footballers, only to "permanent" employees, ie those with no end date to their employment (such as office staff at a Club perhaps, although they could of course also be "temps" (contract staff)). I assume that there is something in all footballers contracts which states that they have the contract paid up in full whatever happens in terms if the Club's finances etc. |  | | |
| Pompey on 16:59 - Aug 10 with 388 views | baz_qpr |
| Pompey on 16:49 - Aug 10 by jonno |
That is exactly correct, and is how the redundancy process works. As stated, it does not apply to contracted staff such as footballers, only to "permanent" employees, ie those with no end date to their employment (such as office staff at a Club perhaps, although they could of course also be "temps" (contract staff)). I assume that there is something in all footballers contracts which states that they have the contract paid up in full whatever happens in terms if the Club's finances etc. |
My point was that Jamie was saying we should feel sorry Ben Haim not getting his contract in full at £1.8m a year. My point was why, full time staff at the club would have been made redundant, all other contractors would have had some get out implemented, and all other businesses with contracts with the club would have had to take the creditors agreement, but somehow it seems its a terrible thing if the footballer does not get paid in full, even if said footballer took that contract (which of course was criminal of the club to offer whilst in Admin.) which was clear would be a risk The fact that footballers operate in this bubble that is different to everyone else is one of the major problems off the game.
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| Pompey on 17:15 - Aug 10 with 371 views | Jamie |
Ben-Haim didn't join the club in admin, he signed in 2009, 9 months before they went into administration, so where was the risk he apparently should've known of?
I wasn't suggesting you should pray for Ben-Haim as I'm sure he's still a wealthy man, more suggesting that he want the money grabbing, club killer the media portrayed him as. The truth is that he had the most deferred of anyone and almost certainly wrote off the most to 'save' the club and should be acknowledged as such rather than the pariah he has been made. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Pompey on 18:10 - Aug 10 with 360 views | mikeygunn |
| Pompey on 13:38 - Aug 10 by WeaverQPR |
So its abit like your mate who can't afford to pay the £50 he owes you but he can still afford to go on the piss on satuday night? |
Do you know him as well?! |  | | |
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