| Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board on 17:04 - Feb 27 with 1948 views | onehunglow |
Without the facilities of Merseyside units , north Wales people would be in a worse mess |  |
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| Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board on 17:06 - Feb 27 with 1947 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
A clusterfeck for years without any sign of improvement. Total mismanagement from the Senedd down I'm afraid. |  |
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| Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board on 17:55 - Feb 27 with 1914 views | pencoedjack |
| Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board on 17:04 - Feb 27 by onehunglow |
Without the facilities of Merseyside units , north Wales people would be in a worse mess |
That's not totally true although the NHS in England is preforming better than Wales.
The NHS needs a complete overhaul & it should no longer be used as a political football, its too important. |  | | |
| Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board on 17:58 - Feb 27 with 1914 views | onehunglow |
| Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board on 17:55 - Feb 27 by pencoedjack |
That's not totally true although the NHS in England is preforming better than Wales.
The NHS needs a complete overhaul & it should no longer be used as a political football, its too important. |
Well,it is a fact that so many have to have treatment here .
Not only that but without Alder Hey,many children would die .
Fact
Breaking awayfrom England ,to me,looks like suicide,literally | |
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| Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board on 20:58 - May 28 with 1471 views | Himent |
It's disheartening to see Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board back in special measures. As someone who relies on their services, I've witnessed little improvement over the years. Mismanagement seems to be a persistent issue. We need a comprehensive overhaul of the NHS, free from political agendas. Effective communication is key to addressing these challenges. I found some helpful strategies on https://papersowl.com/examples/communication/ that could offer insights into improving communication within healthcare. | | | |
| Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board on 21:21 - May 28 with 1429 views | trampie |
| Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board on 17:58 - Feb 27 by onehunglow |
Well,it is a fact that so many have to have treatment here .
Not only that but without Alder Hey,many children would die .
Fact
Breaking awayfrom England ,to me,looks like suicide,literally |
Wales has a higher life expectancy than Liverpool and the North West ? |  |
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| Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board on 04:42 - May 29 with 1366 views | AnotherJohn |
| Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board on 21:21 - May 28 by trampie |
Wales has a higher life expectancy than Liverpool and the North West ? |
Liverpool does look pretty bad. Overall, England has higher life expectancy at birth than Wales, although if you compare areas within the two countries, some Welsh areas are better than some English ones.
England, 78.8 years for males and 82.8 years for females
Wales, 77.9 years for males and 81.8 years for females
Liverpool 75.3 years for males and 79.3 years for females
Blaenau Gwent 75.7 for males and 78.9 for females
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/healthan
In any case, life expectancy would partly reflect the existing organisation of services, and Wales does still rely on English hospitals for high volumes of specialist services. In North Wales there is a lot of treatment across the border, especially tertiary care referrals. North Wales doesn't have urban centres with large enough populations to support certain specialist services, and many patients are referred to Liverpool, Manchester, Oswestry or Chester.
This report is a bit old now but sets our some of the basic factors affecting cross-border healthcare.
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200809/cmselect/cmwelaf/56/5605.htm
In recent years there have been various wrangles over funding, such as when the Countess of Chester Hospital claimed that Welsh Health Boards were not paying fully for services provided and threatened to stop taking referrals [Post edited 29 May 5:19]
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| Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board on 06:40 - May 29 with 1328 views | trampie |
| Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board on 04:42 - May 29 by AnotherJohn |
Liverpool does look pretty bad. Overall, England has higher life expectancy at birth than Wales, although if you compare areas within the two countries, some Welsh areas are better than some English ones.
England, 78.8 years for males and 82.8 years for females
Wales, 77.9 years for males and 81.8 years for females
Liverpool 75.3 years for males and 79.3 years for females
Blaenau Gwent 75.7 for males and 78.9 for females
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/healthan
In any case, life expectancy would partly reflect the existing organisation of services, and Wales does still rely on English hospitals for high volumes of specialist services. In North Wales there is a lot of treatment across the border, especially tertiary care referrals. North Wales doesn't have urban centres with large enough populations to support certain specialist services, and many patients are referred to Liverpool, Manchester, Oswestry or Chester.
This report is a bit old now but sets our some of the basic factors affecting cross-border healthcare.
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200809/cmselect/cmwelaf/56/5605.htm
In recent years there have been various wrangles over funding, such as when the Countess of Chester Hospital claimed that Welsh Health Boards were not paying fully for services provided and threatened to stop taking referrals [Post edited 29 May 5:19]
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Like I said Wales has higher life expectancy than Liverpool and the North West, a lot higher actually. | |
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| Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board on 08:07 - May 29 with 1294 views | AnotherJohn |
| Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board on 06:40 - May 29 by trampie |
Like I said Wales has higher life expectancy than Liverpool and the North West, a lot higher actually. |
I thought you asked a question. Isn't that what adding a question mark indicates? The English NW region as a whole has life expectancy of 77.3 for males and 81.3 for females. As I mentioned, the figures for Wales as a whole are 77.8 and 81.8, so life expectancy is just marginally higher than for the NW. | | | |
| Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board on 09:05 - May 29 with 1256 views | trampie |
| Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board on 08:07 - May 29 by AnotherJohn |
I thought you asked a question. Isn't that what adding a question mark indicates? The English NW region as a whole has life expectancy of 77.3 for males and 81.3 for females. As I mentioned, the figures for Wales as a whole are 77.8 and 81.8, so life expectancy is just marginally higher than for the NW. |
I ended my statement of fact with a question mark to stimulate debate, looks like I succeeded. | |
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| Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board on 11:54 - May 29 with 1218 views | JumpingJackFlash |
| Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board on 17:55 - Feb 27 by pencoedjack |
That's not totally true although the NHS in England is preforming better than Wales.
The NHS needs a complete overhaul & it should no longer be used as a political football, its too important. |
Agreed. I would add education to that as well. Short termism from politicians whose sole interest is to win the next election has resulted in failure for health and education. We need a long term national plan agreed by all political parties and stakeholders to secure the future. | | | |
| Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board on 12:10 - May 29 with 1201 views | onehunglow |
| Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board on 08:07 - May 29 by AnotherJohn |
I thought you asked a question. Isn't that what adding a question mark indicates? The English NW region as a whole has life expectancy of 77.3 for males and 81.3 for females. As I mentioned, the figures for Wales as a whole are 77.8 and 81.8, so life expectancy is just marginally higher than for the NW. |
I'd better start living then
The figures shouldn't be a subtle dig at the English
The NW is very diverse, much more so than Wales
Areas of high Asian , which have their own specific issues, deprived areas with appalling life styles yet also some considerable wealth, far more than Wales as its"old money"
In our village, we still see six / seven bedroom houses , not HMO, complete with staff squarters
Cotton ,Sugar merchants didn't hold back and neither did the likes of Leverhulme , whose estate still owns much in Wirral | |
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| Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board on 15:05 - May 29 with 1144 views | AnotherJohn |
| Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board on 12:10 - May 29 by onehunglow |
I'd better start living then
The figures shouldn't be a subtle dig at the English
The NW is very diverse, much more so than Wales
Areas of high Asian , which have their own specific issues, deprived areas with appalling life styles yet also some considerable wealth, far more than Wales as its"old money"
In our village, we still see six / seven bedroom houses , not HMO, complete with staff squarters
Cotton ,Sugar merchants didn't hold back and neither did the likes of Leverhulme , whose estate still owns much in Wirral |
I thought of you when I checked the figures, wondering whether you might have second thoughts about your move. Actually Wirral isn't too bad - male life expectancy 77.0 and female 81.5. You are quite right about local variation. Is it worth thinking of a move to Cheshire West - male 79.4, female 83.5?  [Post edited 29 May 15:09]
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| Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board on 16:15 - May 29 with 1118 views | trampie |
Birkenhead on the Wirral is one of the most deprived communities in the country, females have the sixth lowest life expectancy at just over 74 years and men have the third lowest life expectancy at around 67.
Wirral is amongst the 20% most deprived boroughs in England and life expectancy for both men and women is a lot lower than the national average.
Liverpool's life expectancy is very poor. | |
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| Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board on 16:36 - May 29 with 1101 views | Gwyn737 |
With stuff like this it always comes back to deprivation levels.
I bet there’d be a marked difference between Swansea East and Swansea West.
It’s one of the reasons I urge caution when comparing the NHS in Wales and England. | | | |
| Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board on 17:59 - May 29 with 1068 views | onehunglow |
| Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board on 16:15 - May 29 by trampie |
Birkenhead on the Wirral is one of the most deprived communities in the country, females have the sixth lowest life expectancy at just over 74 years and men have the third lowest life expectancy at around 67.
Wirral is amongst the 20% most deprived boroughs in England and life expectancy for both men and women is a lot lower than the national average.
Liverpool's life expectancy is very poor. |
Birkenhead is east Wirral,facing Liverpool.
The scouse affiliation is strong there in west Wirral,it is absent entirely.
The Wirral,as Ive told you,is very diverse .
For what’s it’s worth,we are twenty mins from the worst area of Liverpool. I don’t go there. I don’t need to.
That means extreme “ poverty” and wealth .
Now, would you like me to paint a picture of the moon.
Yet again,you are painting Wales as sone sort of nirvana
It is not. | |
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| Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board on 00:00 - May 30 with 1011 views | majorraglan |
Posters are squabbling about life expectancy and mortality rates across the north west and wales - open your eyes and look further afield and compare the North with the South East and the South West. That’s where the big differences are and I’d wager deprivation is a main factor. | | | |
| Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board on 05:51 - May 30 with 980 views | AnotherJohn |
| Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board on 00:00 - May 30 by majorraglan |
Posters are squabbling about life expectancy and mortality rates across the north west and wales - open your eyes and look further afield and compare the North with the South East and the South West. That’s where the big differences are and I’d wager deprivation is a main factor. |
Not sure if you noticed that I mentioned Blaenau Gwent in SE Wales, which has the lowest female expectancy at birth of any UK local area. It is indeed a socially disadvantaged area, which, for example, was identified by Save the Children in 2011 as the area in Wales with the most severe child poverty.
After Blackpool, Liverpool is one of the worst areas in the UK for male life expectancy at birth for a similar reason.
Of course, you are right to locate the areas with highest life expectancy in the SE and South of England - Hart in Hampshire for men and Kensington and Chelsea for women, both relatively affluent areas. However, the North is not all poor; there are pockets of affluence such as West Cheshire.
Re the "inequality gap" in Wales see here:
https://phw.nhs.wales/services-and-teams/observatory/data-and-analysis/health-ex | | | |
| Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board on 09:20 - May 30 with 948 views | onehunglow |
| Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board on 05:51 - May 30 by AnotherJohn |
Not sure if you noticed that I mentioned Blaenau Gwent in SE Wales, which has the lowest female expectancy at birth of any UK local area. It is indeed a socially disadvantaged area, which, for example, was identified by Save the Children in 2011 as the area in Wales with the most severe child poverty.
After Blackpool, Liverpool is one of the worst areas in the UK for male life expectancy at birth for a similar reason.
Of course, you are right to locate the areas with highest life expectancy in the SE and South of England - Hart in Hampshire for men and Kensington and Chelsea for women, both relatively affluent areas. However, the North is not all poor; there are pockets of affluence such as West Cheshire.
Re the "inequality gap" in Wales see here:
https://phw.nhs.wales/services-and-teams/observatory/data-and-analysis/health-ex |
And in east Cheshire too.
Even a day visit to Abersoch will evidence that .
I’ve done my best to bring some objectivity into this thread but clearly failed .
Liverpool is and always has been diverse .Its what happens in a large seaport which saw fortunes made .this is the old money I refer to.
It is still around .
Many parts of south Wales are “ poor” but to make it seem better,some punters look to other areas to provide some comfort when both areas should be addressed .
Anyone watching The Gathering”on C4 would have seen a house where the solicitors family lived . This was on sale for 2.5 million earlier this year .It is less than 30 mins from Liverpool. | |
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| Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board on 18:23 - May 31 with 832 views | max936 |
| Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board on 04:42 - May 29 by AnotherJohn |
Liverpool does look pretty bad. Overall, England has higher life expectancy at birth than Wales, although if you compare areas within the two countries, some Welsh areas are better than some English ones.
England, 78.8 years for males and 82.8 years for females
Wales, 77.9 years for males and 81.8 years for females
Liverpool 75.3 years for males and 79.3 years for females
Blaenau Gwent 75.7 for males and 78.9 for females
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/healthan
In any case, life expectancy would partly reflect the existing organisation of services, and Wales does still rely on English hospitals for high volumes of specialist services. In North Wales there is a lot of treatment across the border, especially tertiary care referrals. North Wales doesn't have urban centres with large enough populations to support certain specialist services, and many patients are referred to Liverpool, Manchester, Oswestry or Chester.
This report is a bit old now but sets our some of the basic factors affecting cross-border healthcare.
https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200809/cmselect/cmwelaf/56/5605.htm
In recent years there have been various wrangles over funding, such as when the Countess of Chester Hospital claimed that Welsh Health Boards were not paying fully for services provided and threatened to stop taking referrals [Post edited 29 May 5:19]
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Well, reading this has cheered me up on a lovely chilly Friday evening 
That'll learn me not to click on threads like this one |  |
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| Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board on 21:04 - May 31 with 791 views | AnotherJohn |
| Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board on 18:23 - May 31 by max936 |
Well, reading this has cheered me up on a lovely chilly Friday evening
That'll learn me not to click on threads like this one |
Don't suppose 76.9 (Swansea male) is going to cheer you up then! | | | |
| Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board on 21:41 - May 31 with 777 views | max936 |
| Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board on 21:04 - May 31 by AnotherJohn |
Don't suppose 76.9 (Swansea male) is going to cheer you up then! |
Yeah, like a dose of the Trots  | |
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