| Knee booed by horny fans? on 16:39 - Jan 4 with 1586 views | Lohengrin |
| Knee booed by horny fans? on 16:31 - Jan 4 by londonlisa2001 |
The ‘exactly’ was in reference to the symbol being used way before ‘Black Power’ became a thing.
I don’t think communists are in any way good guys. I don’t think extremists of any political persuasion are good guys. The evil carried out by both the extreme left and extreme right is abhorrent to me in every single way.
I’m not sure why you think I’m any sort of supporter of communism that needs to see Berlin in the 80s. I’m far more of a liberal globalist than you are. I just think accusations that an anti racist movement is ‘marxist’ are utterly ludicrous. |
Having read through your posts on this page I’d be getting in touch offering you the public relations gig if I was one of the puppeteers behind the protests. You do a far better job than the flat-footers doing it now, Lis. 
Unfortunately, it’s off to work I go. Another twelve hours of pure bliss beckons...  |  |
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| Knee booed by horny fans? on 16:41 - Jan 4 with 1581 views | onehunglow |
| Knee booed by horny fans? on 15:56 - Jan 4 by Lohengrin |
I’ve never claimed it was a ‘black’ anything, I’m crystal clear as to the origin.
You kicked your previous post off with “exactly;” as if to say these are the good guys, the negation of everything you see as being wrong-headed on this thread. They were not.
It’s a shame you wasn’t in Berlin with me in the ‘80s, I could have taken you to the wall and shown you the political state behind the posturing, the grinding reality. A damn shame actually, I think I would have quite enjoyed having you with me...  |
Loh.Ive been to Berlin several times as it fascinates me;it should be compulsory for our kids to go there and see what passes for "democratic socialism". The Stasi museum is truly horrendous but essential. Our shallow kids would be terrified of the rigidity of life then and the fact they were told what we do and how to live -or else.We have raised a generation that cannot be told anything by Police/Teachers/Parents and it's why we see so little respect or self discipline,even self denial,becasue what they want ,they must have. The selfishness of this is why we are seeing covid killing innocent people.It's almost genocide by self obsession.
As for "exactly",on here and other social media,it exists only in the minds of the arrogant ones believing they KNOW all there is to know. All of us know less than we think. That IS exactly the case. |  |
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| Knee booed by horny fans? on 16:43 - Jan 4 with 1573 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Knee booed by horny fans? on 16:39 - Jan 4 by Lohengrin |
Having read through your posts on this page I’d be getting in touch offering you the public relations gig if I was one of the puppeteers behind the protests. You do a far better job than the flat-footers doing it now, Lis.
Unfortunately, it’s off to work I go. Another twelve hours of pure bliss beckons... |
Enjoy!
Looks like we’re all heading for full lockdown up here again. The combination of idiot government and idiot sections of the public is not a good one. Our glorious leader is addressing us this evening.
Stay safe. | | | |
| Knee booed by horny fans? on 16:52 - Jan 4 with 1567 views | Glossolalia |
| Knee booed by horny fans? on 16:23 - Jan 4 by londonlisa2001 |
The absence or otherwise (and btw ‘Nothing in India’? A cursory search shows differently.
https://www.thenationalnews.com/world/asia/black-lives-matter-protests-stir-raci )
of protests in individual countries doesn’t change its global nature. And China and Russia have actually adopted support for BLM at a government level as a way of criticising the US. Ironically of course given the appalling human rights abuses within both countries.
I didn’t suggest you were shrivelled or indeed anything remotely similar. I didn’t criticise your position on anything at all. I stated my opinion on why BLM is causing the reaction it is amongst those clamouring for a ‘safer’ alternative. I also said that a global, anti racism movement is by definition political. Not sure where you get the impression I was saying anything at all one way or another about your position?
BLM have no ‘extreme Marxist’ views. It is a movement encompassing all sorts of groups, motivated by all sorts of things. The only unifying part of it is that Black Lives Matter. Most people that criticise wouldn’t recognise Marxism if Karl himself was to climb out from his Highgate home and slap them across the face with a hardback copy of Das Kapital. |
The map shows protests of over 100 people. The map shows none. There will be small protests, granted.
The fact remains, that map shows the same number of notable protests in Hawaii (pop. 1.4mil) as in Africa, an overwhelmingly black population of 1.216 billion. End of discussion. It has not gripped the imagination of many black people.
Well that just goes to show how insidious and underhand 'support' can be, and how much of this is vindictive, posturing folly. You've brought this to attention. How even an oppressive state like China finds it easy to adopt support for this movement. I bet many are so happy with their support.
Lisa, BLM, the original BLM, are heavily Marxist. Please, stop this nonsense. It's been covered adequately on other threads. I had a real ding-dong with Drizzy where the BLM page was linked. They want to dissolve the nuclear family. They want the communal upbringing of your children. It attracts extreme left thinkers. It attracts many others, but to say there are no extreme Marxist views in BLM is insane, and I use that word carefully. It was written on their website!
From heritage.org -
-----“With little fanfare, Black Lives Matter removed a section of text that had been under a section called ‘What We Believe’ that sought to engender the destruction … of the nuclear family structure,” reports The Post Millennial, a Canadian news organization.
As Matt Walsh writes in The Daily Wire, “With its direct opposition to the nuclear family, BLM had positioned itself on the fringes of the fringes of the fringe.”
Also removed was the communist word “comrade,” put there on purpose as a wink to fellow Marxists and now removed so the rest of the country won’t catch on.
Rather than clear the air, “page not found” feels like a head fake that isn’t worthy of the moment. -----
I know you didn't suggest I was shriveled; I just needed to distance myself from those who really are partial. I need some fresh air. [Post edited 4 Jan 2021 16:58]
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| Knee booed by horny fans? on 18:29 - Jan 4 with 1516 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Knee booed by horny fans? on 16:52 - Jan 4 by Glossolalia |
The map shows protests of over 100 people. The map shows none. There will be small protests, granted.
The fact remains, that map shows the same number of notable protests in Hawaii (pop. 1.4mil) as in Africa, an overwhelmingly black population of 1.216 billion. End of discussion. It has not gripped the imagination of many black people.
Well that just goes to show how insidious and underhand 'support' can be, and how much of this is vindictive, posturing folly. You've brought this to attention. How even an oppressive state like China finds it easy to adopt support for this movement. I bet many are so happy with their support.
Lisa, BLM, the original BLM, are heavily Marxist. Please, stop this nonsense. It's been covered adequately on other threads. I had a real ding-dong with Drizzy where the BLM page was linked. They want to dissolve the nuclear family. They want the communal upbringing of your children. It attracts extreme left thinkers. It attracts many others, but to say there are no extreme Marxist views in BLM is insane, and I use that word carefully. It was written on their website!
From heritage.org -
-----“With little fanfare, Black Lives Matter removed a section of text that had been under a section called ‘What We Believe’ that sought to engender the destruction … of the nuclear family structure,” reports The Post Millennial, a Canadian news organization.
As Matt Walsh writes in The Daily Wire, “With its direct opposition to the nuclear family, BLM had positioned itself on the fringes of the fringes of the fringe.”
Also removed was the communist word “comrade,” put there on purpose as a wink to fellow Marxists and now removed so the rest of the country won’t catch on.
Rather than clear the air, “page not found” feels like a head fake that isn’t worthy of the moment. -----
I know you didn't suggest I was shriveled; I just needed to distance myself from those who really are partial. I need some fresh air. [Post edited 4 Jan 2021 16:58]
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“ to say there are no extreme Marxist views in BLM is insane”.
No, you misunderstand my point, I said ‘BLM’ has no Marxist views. I meant BLM as a movement, not various groups or individuals who attach themselves. The only view of BLM as a movement is that Black Lives Matter. Not matter more, or matter differently, simply that they matter. That people should care.
When the people who originally set it up said they were trained Marxists, it was in response to a question about them espousing the merits of a leaderless organisation (that bit tends to get cropped from internet links). The point made was that it was to be a movement that develops organically from the bottom not being led from the top. Because they believed that an organisation becomes tarred with the belief system of its leadership and didn’t want that. That’s all.
Stuff like ‘they want your children brought up in a commune’ is simply ridiculous. I agree that some real idiots have attached themselves to it. That Sasha Johnson woman is a good example. She’s an utter idiot. Full of ridiculous views and so stupid she can’t see the gift she is to those she hates so much. Real idiots tend to attach themselves to any sort of cause. Right and left. It is what it is. Every single demo about anything at all has the same groups of extremists, both sides. They’re exactly the same as each other.
But that doesn’t mean the whole movement shares those beliefs.
I couldn’t be further from being a Marxist. Most would describe me as some sort of heinous globalist - a lover of markets and capitalism. But I agree with the points about defunding the police. That’s not a Marxist sentiment. It’s not a statement that we want a lawless society. I want the police to do what they’re good at doing. But I want money to be spent in trying to address the causes of crime rather than constantly trying to only address the consequences. It’s only the same thing as saying that rather than trying to just treat the consequences of ill health I’d like to see money spent on trying to make people healthier to prevent it in the first place.
I don’t believe the police are good social workers. They are not trusted enough by some sections of society to successfully perform that role. And yet they are expected to behave as such. Even senior police think it’s ridiculous. So we should invest in proper social support functions which means we’d have less need of police. That’s all ‘defund the police’ means in a UK context. (There are additional issues in the US to do with the way the police are funded which we don’t have here - we already have the apolitical structures they’re calling for).
We’re not going to agree to be honest. But always interesting to share views. | | | |
| Knee booed by horny fans? on 18:39 - Jan 4 with 1516 views | Glossolalia |
| Knee booed by horny fans? on 18:29 - Jan 4 by londonlisa2001 |
“ to say there are no extreme Marxist views in BLM is insane”.
No, you misunderstand my point, I said ‘BLM’ has no Marxist views. I meant BLM as a movement, not various groups or individuals who attach themselves. The only view of BLM as a movement is that Black Lives Matter. Not matter more, or matter differently, simply that they matter. That people should care.
When the people who originally set it up said they were trained Marxists, it was in response to a question about them espousing the merits of a leaderless organisation (that bit tends to get cropped from internet links). The point made was that it was to be a movement that develops organically from the bottom not being led from the top. Because they believed that an organisation becomes tarred with the belief system of its leadership and didn’t want that. That’s all.
Stuff like ‘they want your children brought up in a commune’ is simply ridiculous. I agree that some real idiots have attached themselves to it. That Sasha Johnson woman is a good example. She’s an utter idiot. Full of ridiculous views and so stupid she can’t see the gift she is to those she hates so much. Real idiots tend to attach themselves to any sort of cause. Right and left. It is what it is. Every single demo about anything at all has the same groups of extremists, both sides. They’re exactly the same as each other.
But that doesn’t mean the whole movement shares those beliefs.
I couldn’t be further from being a Marxist. Most would describe me as some sort of heinous globalist - a lover of markets and capitalism. But I agree with the points about defunding the police. That’s not a Marxist sentiment. It’s not a statement that we want a lawless society. I want the police to do what they’re good at doing. But I want money to be spent in trying to address the causes of crime rather than constantly trying to only address the consequences. It’s only the same thing as saying that rather than trying to just treat the consequences of ill health I’d like to see money spent on trying to make people healthier to prevent it in the first place.
I don’t believe the police are good social workers. They are not trusted enough by some sections of society to successfully perform that role. And yet they are expected to behave as such. Even senior police think it’s ridiculous. So we should invest in proper social support functions which means we’d have less need of police. That’s all ‘defund the police’ means in a UK context. (There are additional issues in the US to do with the way the police are funded which we don’t have here - we already have the apolitical structures they’re calling for).
We’re not going to agree to be honest. But always interesting to share views. |
It's certainly a continuum and not clear-cut as to the amount of Marxists etc. But BLM on their website is BLM, not a group or an offshoot. I understand their other ideals and their existence per se doesn't bother me in the slightest.
Look, their aims on their website espoused communal living. I can't dress it up any differently. Agreed, this extreme way of thinking has not percolated down and most people are oblivious to it.
How can you say it's about 'idiots' where attach themselves who are espousing this, when this idea of communal living originated at the source? It's not a matter of contention.
As for you, I don't imagine you are a Marxist or an anarchist at all. We will often, nay invariably differ in views, but you're not a loony in my eyes. 😉
And OHL, I'm just Glossy and always have been. 😎 [Post edited 4 Jan 2021 18:42]
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| Knee booed by horny fans? on 22:46 - Jan 4 with 1470 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Knee booed by horny fans? on 18:39 - Jan 4 by Glossolalia |
It's certainly a continuum and not clear-cut as to the amount of Marxists etc. But BLM on their website is BLM, not a group or an offshoot. I understand their other ideals and their existence per se doesn't bother me in the slightest.
Look, their aims on their website espoused communal living. I can't dress it up any differently. Agreed, this extreme way of thinking has not percolated down and most people are oblivious to it.
How can you say it's about 'idiots' where attach themselves who are espousing this, when this idea of communal living originated at the source? It's not a matter of contention.
As for you, I don't imagine you are a Marxist or an anarchist at all. We will often, nay invariably differ in views, but you're not a loony in my eyes. 😉
And OHL, I'm just Glossy and always have been. 😎 [Post edited 4 Jan 2021 18:42]
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Correct Gloss. This was directly on their website, their list of aims only removed after some high profile sports people in America said “hang on a minute, what are we supporting here?” and their funding was under threat. Those aims have not been altered, just removed from public view.
BLM is the organisation, blm (no caps) would be the movement as it were, the sentiment that 99.9% of the world would agree with and be completely on board with. The issue is the conflation between the two, which is the whole point of naming themselves BLM so the lines would be blurred. If the blm movement wants no affiliation with BLM then there should be greater thought around using the BLM knee and fist now synonymous with the group.
But make no mistake, BLM are not Marxist and extreme left because others have attached themselves to them. They are Marxist and extreme left because they are, at source. It is more accurate to say there are many that have attached themselves to BLM that aren’t either of those things, usually down to a lack of understanding of that the group is. It is those people that then get upset as they can’t understand why people are against it... so they tend to make up their own reasons. |  |
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| Knee booed by horny fans? on 12:31 - Jan 5 with 1402 views | Boundy |
oh the irony, Wade a founding member of BLM charged with child trafficking and prostitution , both forms of slavery . Where's the outrage . the marches, the violence the condemnation . | |
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| Knee booed by horny fans? on 07:56 - Jan 7 with 1310 views | Kilkennyjack |
Boundy - you are wrong yet again.
Man buy some books, not just The Sun.
And please realise its not 1973 any more.
Maybe take a walk ...? |  |
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| Knee booed by horny fans? on 09:06 - Jan 7 with 1291 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Knee booed by horny fans? on 07:56 - Jan 7 by Kilkennyjack |
Boundy - you are wrong yet again.
Man buy some books, not just The Sun.
And please realise its not 1973 any more.
Maybe take a walk ...? |
The answer is yes. | |
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| Knee booed by horny fans? on 17:19 - Jan 11 with 1223 views | Treforys_Jack |
Interesting to read his comments , as someone directly affected. |  | | |
| Knee booed by horny fans? on 17:41 - Jan 11 with 1199 views | Boundy |
| Knee booed by horny fans? on 17:19 - Jan 11 by Treforys_Jack |
Interesting to read his comments , as someone directly affected. |
Indeed , any one who is a racist deserves all the vitriol thrown at them and more , but the problem has been whenever questions are raised about the validity of BLM aims and the true intent of the organisation, immediately the throw away line "you're a racist" is bandied about with little or no evidence to support such an accusation . This stops any intelligent conversation on an already contentious subject | |
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| Knee booed by horny fans? on 23:00 - Jan 11 with 1173 views | Treforys_Jack |
Strange, that the link has been up for 6 hrs or so and no-one who usually charges in has any comment to offer. Hmmmm #outraged | | | |
| Knee booed by horny fans? on 07:47 - Jan 12 with 1131 views | Treforys_Jack |
Still no-one going to condemn him for not backing BLM ? Curious that. | | | |
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