| Covid Postponements 12:53 - Dec 23 with 25266 views | boromat |
4 games off this weekend in League One due to Covid-19 infiltrating football club 'bubbles'.
This doesn't bode well for the season I think we're lucky there's not been too many called off due to weather so far but there could be some pile up of fixtures if this is what we are to expect every week. I know there's been talking of a football circuit breaker. I'm not sure how that would work. |  |
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| Covid Postponements on 08:37 - Dec 31 with 2483 views | Nigeriamark |
| Covid Postponements on 22:32 - Dec 30 by scarrow |
Let's hope so. Logically there must be a way to mass vaccinate those who 'want to be. I'm mid 40s so will be low down on the list but heres hoping that the country can start to move again when a big percentage of people are jabbed. |
the BBC are saying that the government hope to vaccinate 2,000,000 a week soon. However no definition of what soon means. It also depends on whether they only consider people covered after the second shot ( which is probably as per the regulations for getting approval) or if they will consider it after the first one. there is usually a big difference in immunity between the two [Post edited 31 Dec 2020 10:21]
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| Covid Postponements on 13:02 - Dec 31 with 2304 views | D_Alien |
| Covid Postponements on 08:37 - Dec 31 by Nigeriamark |
the BBC are saying that the government hope to vaccinate 2,000,000 a week soon. However no definition of what soon means. It also depends on whether they only consider people covered after the second shot ( which is probably as per the regulations for getting approval) or if they will consider it after the first one. there is usually a big difference in immunity between the two [Post edited 31 Dec 2020 10:21]
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You're correct in saying both vaccines are currently licensed on a two-dose basis, and some interesting scientific opinions regarding the increased roll-out of the first dose:
https://www.sciencemediacentre.org/expert-reaction-to-the-oxford-astrazeneca-cov
The MHRA have given a provisional figure of around 70% immunity of the AZ vaccine about 3 weeks after the initial dose, but as these opinions suggest, this figure is by no means established
And happy new year to you too!
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| Covid Postponements on 18:19 - Jan 3 with 2019 views | boromat |
Wigan's next 2 games have now been postponed.
Not sure what the guidelines are but it doesn't seem like clubs are testing to see who is fit to play it's more like as soon as you have a positive case or two they all isolate for 10 days generally meaning 2 games are postponed. This is probably the safest approach but seems to differ to the premier League City play tonight with 6 players out. | |
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| Covid Postponements on 16:06 - Jan 4 with 1893 views | Shun |
More stringent restrictions expected from tonight, 8pm. |  | | |
| Covid Postponements on 16:54 - Jan 4 with 1831 views | isitme |
| Covid Postponements on 16:06 - Jan 4 by Shun |
More stringent restrictions expected from tonight, 8pm. |
What is left where we live apart from school closures? We are in the same situation as November.
The level of vaccinations should be scaled up markedly. |  | | |
| Covid Postponements on 17:09 - Jan 4 with 1791 views | TVOS1907 |
| Covid Postponements on 16:54 - Jan 4 by isitme |
What is left where we live apart from school closures? We are in the same situation as November.
The level of vaccinations should be scaled up markedly. |
Your Prime Minister keeps telling us schools are safe. I heard it with my own ears yesterday morning. |  |
| When I was your age, I used to enjoy the odd game of tennis. Or was it golf? |
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| Covid Postponements on 17:16 - Jan 4 with 1775 views | isitme |
| Covid Postponements on 17:09 - Jan 4 by TVOS1907 |
Your Prime Minister keeps telling us schools are safe. I heard it with my own ears yesterday morning. |
Absolutely and I for one would never advocate for school closures.
From the unscientific straw poll of teachers I speak to I don't know anyone who feels 'unsafe', although the odd one may feel a bit more anxious than others.
Have you been asked if you would like a weekly lateral flow test yet? [Post edited 4 Jan 2021 17:17]
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| Covid Postponements on 17:22 - Jan 4 with 1750 views | TVOS1907 |
| Covid Postponements on 17:16 - Jan 4 by isitme |
Absolutely and I for one would never advocate for school closures.
From the unscientific straw poll of teachers I speak to I don't know anyone who feels 'unsafe', although the odd one may feel a bit more anxious than others.
Have you been asked if you would like a weekly lateral flow test yet? [Post edited 4 Jan 2021 17:17]
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No, but we've only been back a day and we had to sort out what we were doing with the kids first, you know, those who've had to isolate several times since September in this safe environment. | |
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| Covid Postponements on 18:08 - Jan 4 with 1677 views | isitme |
| Covid Postponements on 17:22 - Jan 4 by TVOS1907 |
No, but we've only been back a day and we had to sort out what we were doing with the kids first, you know, those who've had to isolate several times since September in this safe environment. |
Well it looks like they are out till half term according to the leaks. | | | |
| Covid Postponements on 18:28 - Jan 4 with 1641 views | TVOS1907 |
| Covid Postponements on 18:08 - Jan 4 by isitme |
Well it looks like they are out till half term according to the leaks. |
Isn't that in Wales......... | |
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| Covid Postponements on 18:41 - Jan 4 with 1611 views | isitme |
| Covid Postponements on 18:28 - Jan 4 by TVOS1907 |
Isn't that in Wales......... |
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| Covid Postponements on 18:45 - Jan 4 with 1594 views | TVOS1907 |
| Covid Postponements on 18:41 - Jan 4 by isitme |
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"Leaks"
Wales..... | |
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| Covid Postponements on 19:03 - Jan 4 with 1549 views | 49thseason |
People should note that none of the currently available vaccines have been through a proper Phase 1,2,3. Testing regime which normally take years to assess long term impact. The AZ P3 results are not expected for another 2 years and the Russian arm of their trials has been stopped following a severe event in the UK ( 37 year old nurse with spinal inflammation)
Extract from report by the US Centre for disease control:
"On December the 18th 112,807 people were injected with the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in the U.S. Of these, 3,150 were subsequently unable to perform normal daily activities, unable to work, required care from doctor or health care professional. This is an HIE rate of 2.8%". .. HIE = health impact event
Comment from UK journalist Iain Davies:
"This suggests that among the first 10 million people to receive the vaccine in the UK, around 280,000 may find themselves unable to perform normal daily activities, unable to work and require medical care as a result. As it is the most vulnerable who are the first to receive this vaccine, given the tiny risk of mortality from the COVID 19 disease, it is by no means clear that this is a risk worth taking."
https://off-guardian.org/2021/01/03/what-vaccine-trials/ |  | | |
| Covid Postponements on 19:08 - Jan 4 with 1539 views | mightydale |
| Covid Postponements on 18:41 - Jan 4 by isitme |
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What do you think will happen when schools open again ( this was predicted in September and surprise surprise lockdown an schools closed)
Increase testing, cases rise, repeat, protect the NHS, save lives, enter lockdown, testing slows, cases reduce, lockdown ends. Increase testing, cases rise, repeat, protect the NHS, save lives, enter lockdown, testing slows, cases reduce, lockdown ends See how this works yet!!!
Lemmings comes to mind |  |
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| Covid Postponements on 19:23 - Jan 4 with 1499 views | 442Dale |
| Covid Postponements on 19:03 - Jan 4 by 49thseason |
People should note that none of the currently available vaccines have been through a proper Phase 1,2,3. Testing regime which normally take years to assess long term impact. The AZ P3 results are not expected for another 2 years and the Russian arm of their trials has been stopped following a severe event in the UK ( 37 year old nurse with spinal inflammation)
Extract from report by the US Centre for disease control:
"On December the 18th 112,807 people were injected with the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in the U.S. Of these, 3,150 were subsequently unable to perform normal daily activities, unable to work, required care from doctor or health care professional. This is an HIE rate of 2.8%". .. HIE = health impact event
Comment from UK journalist Iain Davies:
"This suggests that among the first 10 million people to receive the vaccine in the UK, around 280,000 may find themselves unable to perform normal daily activities, unable to work and require medical care as a result. As it is the most vulnerable who are the first to receive this vaccine, given the tiny risk of mortality from the COVID 19 disease, it is by no means clear that this is a risk worth taking."
https://off-guardian.org/2021/01/03/what-vaccine-trials/ |
Think people are fully aware of the speed at which the vaccines have been developed. They’ve also passed checks in various places across the globe enabling them to be now be administered.
Unless there’s another option of course. |  |
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| Covid Postponements on 19:26 - Jan 4 with 1487 views | D_Alien |
| Covid Postponements on 19:03 - Jan 4 by 49thseason |
People should note that none of the currently available vaccines have been through a proper Phase 1,2,3. Testing regime which normally take years to assess long term impact. The AZ P3 results are not expected for another 2 years and the Russian arm of their trials has been stopped following a severe event in the UK ( 37 year old nurse with spinal inflammation)
Extract from report by the US Centre for disease control:
"On December the 18th 112,807 people were injected with the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in the U.S. Of these, 3,150 were subsequently unable to perform normal daily activities, unable to work, required care from doctor or health care professional. This is an HIE rate of 2.8%". .. HIE = health impact event
Comment from UK journalist Iain Davies:
"This suggests that among the first 10 million people to receive the vaccine in the UK, around 280,000 may find themselves unable to perform normal daily activities, unable to work and require medical care as a result. As it is the most vulnerable who are the first to receive this vaccine, given the tiny risk of mortality from the COVID 19 disease, it is by no means clear that this is a risk worth taking."
https://off-guardian.org/2021/01/03/what-vaccine-trials/ |
How about you just "note it" yourself, and take appropriate action, i.e. refuse to be vaccinated? You can then mix with all and sundry who, having been vaccinated, may be transmitting, or not
Your choice, your chances
You're welcome
PS: but i should add, please also take out comprehensive private healthcare insurance, so as not to become a burden on the NHS should you by any chance develop severe breathing difficulties
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| Covid Postponements on 19:32 - Jan 4 with 1465 views | isitme |
| Covid Postponements on 19:08 - Jan 4 by mightydale |
What do you think will happen when schools open again ( this was predicted in September and surprise surprise lockdown an schools closed)
Increase testing, cases rise, repeat, protect the NHS, save lives, enter lockdown, testing slows, cases reduce, lockdown ends. Increase testing, cases rise, repeat, protect the NHS, save lives, enter lockdown, testing slows, cases reduce, lockdown ends See how this works yet!!!
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Well when they introduce mass testing on reopening 'cases' will go through the roof.
By the middle of September you always get quiet a few kids off as the respiratory infection season starts and the effects of mixing with new people or people they haven't seen for a while takes hold. It is always worst just before Christmas as they are knackered. It is worse at universities as you are bringing people and their own strains of bugs together from all over the country.
The only issue with your vicious cycle is that testing isn't slowing. | | | |
| Covid Postponements on 19:48 - Jan 4 with 1415 views | James1980 |
It's what is done after the mass testing that's important. If those that test positive and their contacts all isolate properly then the virus starts to get under control, if enough ignore the instruction to isolate it carries on spreading. Other countries have got a better handle on this using TTTI systems that are effective. Some places mask use has been taken up by a vast majority and they are worn PROPERLY. We are going into a third lockdown because we have a government who have been interested in lining their mates pockets instead of doing the right thing. Don't get me started on the attention seeking, contrarion, contingent of the populous. | |
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| Covid Postponements on 19:52 - Jan 4 with 1386 views | isitme |
| Covid Postponements on 19:48 - Jan 4 by James1980 |
It's what is done after the mass testing that's important. If those that test positive and their contacts all isolate properly then the virus starts to get under control, if enough ignore the instruction to isolate it carries on spreading. Other countries have got a better handle on this using TTTI systems that are effective. Some places mask use has been taken up by a vast majority and they are worn PROPERLY. We are going into a third lockdown because we have a government who have been interested in lining their mates pockets instead of doing the right thing. Don't get me started on the attention seeking, contrarion, contingent of the populous. |
Please will you tell me which countries are making effective use of track and trace. | | | |
| Covid Postponements on 20:01 - Jan 4 with 1357 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Covid Postponements on 19:03 - Jan 4 by 49thseason |
People should note that none of the currently available vaccines have been through a proper Phase 1,2,3. Testing regime which normally take years to assess long term impact. The AZ P3 results are not expected for another 2 years and the Russian arm of their trials has been stopped following a severe event in the UK ( 37 year old nurse with spinal inflammation)
Extract from report by the US Centre for disease control:
"On December the 18th 112,807 people were injected with the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine in the U.S. Of these, 3,150 were subsequently unable to perform normal daily activities, unable to work, required care from doctor or health care professional. This is an HIE rate of 2.8%". .. HIE = health impact event
Comment from UK journalist Iain Davies:
"This suggests that among the first 10 million people to receive the vaccine in the UK, around 280,000 may find themselves unable to perform normal daily activities, unable to work and require medical care as a result. As it is the most vulnerable who are the first to receive this vaccine, given the tiny risk of mortality from the COVID 19 disease, it is by no means clear that this is a risk worth taking."
https://off-guardian.org/2021/01/03/what-vaccine-trials/ |
Just in case anybody thinks the link posted here is by the newspaper The Guardian, it is not. It is a Twitter thing called Off-Guardian which essentially disseminates fake news. | |
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| Covid Postponements on 20:12 - Jan 4 with 1336 views | isitme |
Thanks. That article is from April, anything a bit more recent showing long term success in track and trace?
All the recent articles I've seen from mainland Europe especially France and Germany have shown that it has had similar results to England. Japan and South Korea have had greater success with it but they test significantly fewer people than we do and focus more on cluster tracing. Levels of infection in countries such as Taiwan have also been significantly lower for a variety of reasons levels of obesity and greater preexisting immunity due to exposure to SARS to name just two.
I don't disagree that more effective use of track and trace would be useful but in practice it is more difficult to use effectively than in theory. Maybe local tracing systems would have been better? | | | |
| Covid Postponements on 20:15 - Jan 4 with 1324 views | Dalenet |
So all Elite sport incl the Premier League must not continue under the new lockdown rules according to Sky | | | |
| Covid Postponements on 20:19 - Jan 4 with 1310 views | 442Dale |
| Covid Postponements on 20:15 - Jan 4 by Dalenet |
So all Elite sport incl the Premier League must not continue under the new lockdown rules according to Sky |
Think that was an error. Elite sport can continue. | |
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